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nel about ropz/m0nesy
Xyp9x | 
Russia Strikeshow 
Nel in podcast : NAVI wants to put a G2 condition under which they can return m0NESY M0NESY himself wants to get into G2 ropz has not yet decided where to go, MOUZ want to sell it, not release it for free - Almost every tier-1 team wants to get a ropz (FaZe, G2, Vitality and other) - At least 4-5 teams are interested in m0NESY, not only G2.
2021-11-24 17:25
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"- At least 4-5 teams are interested in m0NESY, not only G2." expected for the most interesting and exciting talent in cs history.
2021-11-24 17:26
16 replies
+1
2021-11-24 17:30
#4
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North America drac0z
you talking about w0nderful?
2021-11-24 17:43
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#5
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Japan Jewsaki
+1
2021-11-24 17:44
#16
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Indonesia FinZzz
Who?
2021-11-24 17:53
1 reply
wonderful_y young ukrainian talent
2021-11-29 09:41
Literally who
2021-11-29 01:49
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Wh0nderful
2021-11-29 01:51
man wish he gets some attention
2021-11-29 01:53
#68
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Norway CheNaLii
I have literally never heard of him until it was rumored that G2 wanted a new AWPer. He is a nobody outside of Ukraine or at least the CIS scene
2021-11-29 11:26
7 replies
he is also a baiting and toxic kid
2021-11-29 11:59
i've seen him destroy Marten, which is the only bosnian team and they're like in tier 6, but still decent talent
2021-11-29 12:07
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#96
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Norway CheNaLii
I also knew about hallzerk long before he went to dignitas. He had 135 games won in a row on faceit. Still doesn't look like he is tier 1 material atm
2021-11-29 14:11
anyone following CS apart from fanboying top 5 teams knew him lol
2021-11-29 14:12
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#98
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Norway CheNaLii
I didn't know him and I follow everything from tier 1 cs to academy teams. I even follow the norwegian scene bro
2021-11-29 14:13
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But m0NESY played in academy team for long time already? But I admit I have too good memory when it comes to nicknames and spotting prodigy players, would rather use brains for something more useful.
2021-11-29 14:16
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bro this thread was about w0ndeful not monesy, everybody know monesy, nobody except delusional ukrain fans know w0nderful
2021-11-29 15:25
#7
STYKO | 
Czech Republic y0fl0w
what podcast? source?
2021-11-24 17:47
1 reply
Twitch stream on Zacknani channel
2021-11-24 19:18
what navi wants to do with monesy happens a lot in football we sell the player but with one condition you need to accept a repurchase clause is his contract in case we want to buy him later
2021-11-24 17:48
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No team who wants to create their own era will ever do that. Only time will tell if Monesy will be good enough or not. But he's a players who can be good enough for the team to be built around him. Football has like 24 players in team . Cs has only 5 players. You take one the whole team gets fucked. If any team is a top 10 team, they won't ever go for this kind of transfer
2021-11-24 17:51
7 replies
it all depends on how flexible navi is in negotiations monesy is the right player, at the wrong time for navi
2021-11-24 17:54
6 replies
My point is even if navi wants that no team will ever accept a deal like that
2021-11-24 19:17
5 replies
good for navi means they will keep their future asset.
2021-11-29 01:42
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#65
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Pakistan hawrU
Ruin m0nesy's career
2021-11-29 10:19
They can add many conditions to that which would make sense for g2 to accept. I.e. monesy should be ok with repurchase. A player can be repurchased only during certain time gap in a year and only if warned x months in advance. That repurchase condition could reduce the initial purchase price so it could be a win win compromise for everyone involved
2021-11-29 10:13
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Tell me one thing. Would a team who is willing to be #1 sell their main guy? Vitality aith Zywoo , Navi with s1mple. G2 wants to trust in Monesy and wants to build around him in the future. Lets just say hypothetically that monesy turns out to be the next s1mple and g2 is having an era like Navi , would they really want to sell monesy ? Would navi want to sell s1mple now ? Now that they have finally found the 5 pieces together ? Answer is no in a fucking million years. This isn't football that you can afford to sell Messi or Ronaldo and still have 15 good players in your squad. You take one player out, the whole team gets fucked. You bring in 1 right player, you make the best team. Magisk and b1t are good examples.
2021-11-29 19:48
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ooooh this will be very interesting how it will turn out. It is definitely banking on the conditions of transfer and the players itself on what they want are willing/can to achieve. Of course nobody wants to sell their #1 without any opportunity to hold on to it but it will fal onto what are the conditions of buy/repurchase
2021-11-29 21:32
this happens in football where lower tier teams buy talents from big organization but g2 and navi are like United and Madrid negotiating aint no buy back clauses there
2021-11-24 18:14
You do that when you sell it to a smaller team, but if you sell it to another big team, nobody will accept that clause.
2021-11-29 11:44
-"NAVI wants to put a G2 condition under which they can return m0NESY" That is retarded AF, nobody has every done this in cs -"MOUZ want to sell it" ROPZ = IT??? Cmon BRUH ropz doesn't fit in G2 lol, full team of lurkers, already nexa niko and hunter are all lurking
2021-11-24 17:48
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Dude, Navi would of course want to do something like this because they are the one who picked him up and trained him in navi academy/junior. What if turns out to be a really crazy player like zywoo from year 1 and s1mple leaves Navi. From a organization and business standpoint, they want to have some future options.
2021-11-24 17:51
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Why would team want to half buy a potential zywoo ? If he turns out to be so good, the team he goes to will be built around him. Not to mention you not only lose a good player . On top of that you lose a player who could potentially have a huge fan following like s1mple, provided he gets to that leevel
2021-11-24 17:53
so lets say m0nesy goes to G2 and they are looking amazing, major favourites, etc... and na'vi decides to take him back??? This is absurd, they can never do that lol. Yes G2 can maybe borrow him for indefinite time, and m0nesy is navi's "property", but G2 can return him only when they want, only that way it could work. They can't sign a contract where navi can take him back whenever they want, no way.
2021-11-24 18:11
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That’s how it is from a organisational viewpoint. At the end of the day, they don’t want to suffer a loss and monesy will have to abide by the contract from Navi till it ends. They want to safeguard Navi influence in terms of fans and legacy. G2 done it once when they did not pickup zywoo from AAA because they thought he cheated and I mean who wouldn’t think he cheated. I guess they are really desperate for this pickup and Navi want to strangle them.
2021-11-29 01:36
#47
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Albania LaviX06
i mean thats all okay, no team will last 3 years untouchable and when you compare it s1mple is on his best form and prime and he still has years to play, atleast 4 years, and everyone in na'vi is under 24 (23,22,22,18), but in g2 everyone is above 24, g2 with m0nesy won't last more than 2 years and when navi see that s1mple is dropping his performance, they will make roster moves (example s1mple move to a rifler role and take a great shaped monesy for awp)... that explains it easier i think
2021-11-29 09:46
#69
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Norway CheNaLii
1: How do you know that this hasn't happened before in CS? 2: Because something is new it is retarded? You want things to stay the same forever or something? F**k evolution I guess
2021-11-29 11:29
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1. If there where buyback clauses in CS in the past they where certainly never used 2. Buy Back clauses aren’t bad per se, but a buyback clause in this particular case doesn’t make sense because m0nesy is the type of player you want to keep for his entire prime if he turn out to be the next s1mple, no organization would want Navi to simply be able to snatch him back, especially if they could do it for tactical reasons
2021-11-29 12:07
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#94
JACKZ | 
Singapore ZyZy
Navi would even have to let him play, they could just let him rot on the bench.
2021-11-29 12:58
#95
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Norway CheNaLii
It depends on whose side you look at it from. It certainly makes a lot of sense for NaVi to include a buy-back clause since he might turn out to be great, and they don't want to miss out when they already have him on his academy team. For G2's perspective they will of course not like that clause since they are looking for long term success, not just for 1-2 years
2021-11-29 14:10
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Yeah I meant it doesn’t make sense for an Org like G2 to buy him if Navi insists on a Buy back clause Obviously it would make a ton of sense for Navi
2021-11-29 15:17
Did u rly just say Niko is a lurker? xD
2021-11-29 12:09
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yes? he is one of the best lurkers in the world, but now i think hunter is doink more lurking and niko is getting opening kills more, but in faze he was main lurker
2021-11-29 16:37
#10
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France iatis
If Ropz to vita, that mean -misutaaa ? Shit, can we go back to 6 man roster plz ;)
2021-11-24 17:53
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They won't change 3 people in Vita solely to keep their major spot.
2021-11-29 01:50
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I dont think were going back to the old invite system. Most likely well stick with rmrs + little extra points for the previous major playoffs teams Point being vita can afford switching players
2021-11-29 01:56
#34
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France iatis
Like CSm1n said, they will lose what ? 200 points ? (they will lose point because of the 2 changes already). Better switch now than after you played your first RMRs (you will lose way more points then, if you did well). I want Misu to stay and continue developping. But the +ropz is a kind of a unique opportunity rn.
2021-11-29 09:21
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#75
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Indonesia FinZzz
Misuta has been developing fine lately tbh..it would be a waste to kick him out.
2021-11-29 11:51
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#83
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France iatis
I agree. It is also a waste for Kyojin (I mean as soon as you take a rookie, you need to give some time). The question is, how much you think Ropz is better right now. If you think they are already close to each other, then sure, keep misutaaa. But if you think Ropz is a top player, you have no garantee that Misutaaa is going to be as good as him, even in his prime. So from that point and if you want result now, as it seems the case for Vitality, you make the change. I would have personally keep the french roster. I Like them, and want the young one to develop ! But as soon as you kill the project and go international, you need to make the rational choices. Maybe Misutaaa is seen as a very very good player that have more potential than Ropz. Maybe not. I'm no expert.
2021-11-29 12:05
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#92
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Indonesia FinZzz
Sounds reasonable. Personally swapping misuta for ropz IMO on paper should be an upgrade when we compare both abilities and history of performances, ropz seems to have more experience, consistency, and has had a higher peak. However, bringing him in doesnt guarantee anything since he is playing in a completely new environment with new players. At least Misuta has previous experiences playing with apex and Zywoo, he also has Vitality's trust as an org. So idk, for me its 50/50 on this one
2021-11-29 12:38
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#93
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France iatis
Totally agree with you. I hope the best for Misutaaa, in Vitality or elsewhere. Maybe he could also develop as a good IGL (he's young, already have top tier experience, seems to have a good head/behavior...), who knows ;)
2021-11-29 12:53
#11
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Greece RedWinter
MONESY to godsent
2021-11-24 17:49
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#32
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United States Topher
Monesy to mythic
2021-11-29 01:53
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Monesy to tyloo
2021-11-29 10:16
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#76
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Indonesia FinZzz
Monesy to mad lions
2021-11-29 11:52
Ropz to G2 or Vitality would be so sick
2021-11-24 17:51
so whichever org agrees to the NaVi get-back option will get monesy and we'll know they're a turbo-cucked org I guess
2021-11-24 19:21
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#105
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
No tier 1 org will. No tier2 org will have 200k to get him with the clause
2021-11-29 15:28
#25
torzsi | 
Hungary anw_
Actual options for Ropz: FaZe ENCE OG Vitality (if english AND “Astrality” rumor is false) That’s it. Mouz may want to sell him but I doubt he wants to go anywhere but FaZe. G2 isn’t going to -huNter for Ropz. Anyone saying more than 4 teams is lying. This is a fake “leak”.
2021-11-29 01:52
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#71
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Norway CheNaLii
Even though it would be sick to get another legend like ropz to G2, I really don't see it working. And tbh I think (and hope) the G2 management and players agree. So I also think the ropz to forexample G2 is BS
2021-11-29 11:30
#104
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
Ence and OG Looollll. G2 can have HuNter or NiKo entry and be a better option. Also FaZe os so obviously the best place. It's FaZe, G2, Vitality. In that order
2021-11-29 15:27
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>Just have NiKo entry!!!1!!!1!1!1 Bro he’s the #1 star player in the world. He should do what he’s best at. Y’know, lets instead add s1mple, sh1ro and ZywOo, for Jackzz, nexa, and amaNek, they can just change their roles and their stats will stay the same! >Vitality For Ropz to join Vita the rumor about adding the Astralis players would have to be false, AND they must still want to go english. The chance of that happening is like less than one percent.
2021-11-29 16:07
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#131
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
I don't belive NiKo entreinf is a good solutions nor that Rops would totally for in G2. Juat Said that even with NiKo entrying, that being a bad outcome, G2 was a better option. Considering Shox was more Often than not a lurker, Ropz would fit Vitality.
2021-11-29 18:00
Why is G2 and vita interested in ropz? Don't they already have a full roster with the changes? Who does G2 even replace for ropz. Can't do jackz or amanek. ropz no primary awper. Even though he tried it for a while.
2021-11-29 01:48
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#43
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France iatis
Vita is starting a new project. An international project. With a new Coach. If they come with a new way to approch the game, roles and position, it's like they will start from scratch. Starting from scratch, they will pick the best player they can afford. They signed 2 player : +Magisk, + Dupreeh. Zywoo isn't going anywhere. From Vitality's CEO interview, it seems they want to build a team around ZyWoo and Apex. So Apex should stay. You now got 18 yo Misutaaa, a promissing player, already capable of good stuff, against all "available" player. Including Ropz.
2021-11-29 09:36
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Hey man. I actually knew of those changes. I thought misutaa and apex gonna stay , it's not a definite thing huh? It didn't make sense to me since they already have a 5 man roster. Who do you think is gonna be replaced? Replacing misutaa with ropz is the only sensible option since apex is an igl. But misutaa is doing good right?
2021-11-29 11:19
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#72
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France iatis
If contract is signed, the only thing we are sure of is : +Dupreeh, +Magisk. Vita is not going to bench those two players before they played a single match (we never know...). So you got 2 definite player. That's all. For the other 3, If Vita believes there is a better player available, they would/should go for it. Since it's a new project, doing a change now is better than in 5 month, where you would already played RMR event... It will be hard to find better than Zywoo. Apex is really appreciate by Vitality's CEO. Zonic seems ok with that. Who could replace him ? (I thought BlameF could) Misutaaa is a hot prospect, showing good thing. From what Nel said, Zonic is ok with Misu staying in the team. But you could argue that there is lots of talent available. The competition is greater there. So if one already established top player becomes available, they could go for it.
2021-11-29 11:39
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I see .Alright man. Let's see what happens.
2021-11-29 11:55
#114
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Netherlands PawnyCS
m0nesy will join g2 as a main awper, but roles would be weird with nexa hunter niko ropz m0nesy, as there are 3 lurkers and probably too much ego on who to go first
2021-11-29 15:40
#29
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United States raymoney
I think ropz to G2 in place of huNter could actually win majors and challenge NaVi for titles. However, I am not sure it will happen considering NiKo has made them a package deal. I really don't see how G2 could make a team with both huNter and ropz work considering they both play the exact same T-side roles. They could always try and transition huNter to JaCk's roles and then bring in ropz with huNter's roles, but who knows. As far as an AWPer goes, I think the m0nesy move would be fire if they can bring in ropz because that would give m0nesy space to develop into tier 1 around a very competent crew of riflers. However, this raises the issue of who would be the hype player on the team. NiKo is a hype player, but not in the same way as JaCks who serves to elevate those around him. I could really see a world in which they bring in a guy like Stewie2k to G2 in place of JaCks and ropz in place of huNter. That team could win majors, but it all depends on how willing NiKo is to make the tough cuts and let go huNter as a teammate.
2021-11-29 01:54
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Nikos not fucking willing at all so there goes everything
2021-11-29 09:27
12 replies
So that won’t happen anymore since they got naf ?
2021-11-29 09:29
4 replies
i expect it will if g2 dont want him. there was overlap with shox and naf so i expect shox not to go. then they get nitr0 and m0nesy as awper and vini
2021-11-29 09:34
3 replies
oh yeah could be too( no shox would be sad
2021-11-29 09:38
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#116
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Netherlands PawnyCS
imo it would be better if shox and kennys would form a team together, im sure at least one of jackz and amanek will get kicked(maybe both) which would create a strong team :) maybe hadji as the last player
2021-11-29 15:43
1 reply
would be meh you know, and not a lot of people are willing to invest in such a top 15 team
2021-11-29 15:43
pretty much confirms that Liquid will relocate the cs team to europe for 2022.
2021-11-29 10:03
2 replies
well they were here like 90% of the year because of eu cs > na cs
2021-11-29 10:04
they where already in utrecht for half the year, no?
2021-11-29 15:44
#103
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
Chill, Liquid also won't want the buyback clause so both of them Will have to play 600k. G2 plays it, M0nesy wants to come. Easy as that
2021-11-29 15:25
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#108
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Netherlands PawnyCS
+1 m0nesy is 99% just going to g2, the question is will ropz? bcs g2 are apparantly also looking for a new igl or smth
2021-11-29 15:32
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#111
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
Not an IGL, the article said " a leader" and I think they meant a coach.
2021-11-29 15:34
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#112
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Netherlands PawnyCS
"According to a report from 1pv.fr, G2 are considering Luka "⁠emi⁠" Vuković as a replacement for maLeK. The Serbian has most recently represented FunPlus Phoenix, but has history playing with or coaching all three of Nemanja "⁠nexa⁠" Isaković, Nemanja "⁠huNter-⁠" Kovač, and NiKo. The same outlet noted that G2 are looking to change "one or two players for 2022", with an AWPer and an IGL on the shopping list." - HLTV article on maleK leaving G2 "AWPer and an IGL on the shopping list"
2021-11-29 15:36
Who is monesy
2021-11-29 09:25
1 reply
Young up and comer playing for navi junior right now
2021-11-29 09:30
Why does Mouz not want ropz?
2021-11-29 09:29
20 replies
ropz doesnt want to resign with them and mouz want the money from selling ropz
2021-11-29 09:35
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#44
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France iatis
When does the contract of Ropz end ?
2021-11-29 09:37
4 replies
dont knew but rumors earlier this year stated that in march/april 2022
2021-11-29 10:01
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#54
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France iatis
OK, so sure, Mouz can still try to sell him. But the sooner the better for them ;)
2021-11-29 10:06
1 reply
yeah and my guess is that they will try to sell him for cheaper incase nobody is intrested in him
2021-11-29 10:10
June 2022.
2021-11-29 16:51
to buy who? make a nice team around ropz and you got a sick team
2021-11-29 10:04
11 replies
well who they are going to get but if they can sell ropz its just easy money. ropz is highly wanted and his buyout is quite large. if they get someone like jks instead of ropz they will get to keep a majority of ropz buyout money
2021-11-29 10:06
10 replies
to buy more then one player? is that what you want to see?
2021-11-29 10:07
4 replies
well most likely get torzi from mouz nxt and buysomeone instead of ropz, idk if they will -dexter but doubt it since there are no good igls available and mouz are a pretty frugal org so they wont just buyout a aleksib, gla1ve or someone.
2021-11-29 10:11
3 replies
they would not join anyway if they had the money probably
2021-11-29 10:12
2 replies
well true but like mouz likes to get up coming talents/benched players to develop and then later on sell them for profit
2021-11-29 10:15
1 reply
eh thats more like a cphf or tricked
2021-11-29 10:17
Why would they buy JKS where they can just get Xertion from their mouz NXT team?
2021-11-29 15:45
4 replies
well true but jks would fit perfectly into ropz roles.
2021-11-29 15:46
3 replies
Xertion is a perfect role too. Xertion is the lurker of the NXT. Also, they can promote Siuhy from the main squad. The kid is good at mid calling and adjusting the game. And he's also if not better in fragging compare to Dexter.
2021-11-29 15:51
2 replies
well true but he has so little experience vs top 10 teams. dexter has a bit more experience vs top 10 teams and overall experience but we shall see what happends
2021-11-29 15:52
1 reply
well it's the same as the all IGL started. All the great IGL didn't become the captain of tier 1 when they first started.
2021-11-29 15:54
#49
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Macedonia ninetb
Because frozen is better
2021-11-29 10:02
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4/8 recently yes but all time no and ropz contract is ending and he seems to not want to re sign with mouz
2021-11-29 10:05
-olof + ropz seems the most obvious move Karrigan and ropz want to play again together badly
2021-11-29 10:14
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hopefully though :D I dont agree with people saying that Faze won't invest money into their cs team but hopefully mouz dont ask huge huge number :D
2021-11-29 10:25
anonymous leaker gets interviewed wow sounds interesting NOT
2021-11-29 11:30
who is nel? is the podcast worth listening to?
2021-11-29 11:47
5 replies
french retard who "leaks" stuff which often turns out to be wrong. Sometimes he leaks stuff correct, but usually most people already know it by then.
2021-11-29 11:55
4 replies
so the podcast is in french, too? id love to have a decent podcast about the game itself and a little bit of scene stuff on the side.
2021-11-29 11:58
2 replies
twitch.tv/videos/1214698179 here you go, its french though
2021-11-29 11:59
1 reply
thx, but i only remember a few words from having it in school 1000 years back. too bad.
2021-11-29 12:00
#90
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Czech Republic Guczy
Mostly *correct
2021-11-29 12:17
"MOUZ want to sell it" did you call ropz it? bruhhh -amanek -jackz +ropz +m0nesy would be sick tho ngl
2021-11-29 12:08
2 replies
yes but hunter cant perform without jackz + no support player so it would be more logical for -amanek + m0nesy alone
2021-11-29 12:12
1 reply
ropz plays b anchor in almost all maps, so him and nexa are supports. nexa can also take jackz's t side role and be team's bitch
2021-11-29 12:19
I hope g2 +m0nesy without rent or buyout
2021-11-29 12:16
#101
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
A bunch of new's portals have come out and Said m0NESY is to be announced after this past BLAST Premier Fall. I don't think he can really be snatched away, as no T1 team will want the buyback clause, no T2 has 200k to get him with the clause, and G2 seem to be the only team interested that would pay the 600k for him without the clause Ropz to FaZe or G2. Vitality getting him would be quite the stretch. I respect nel and all, but it's not like he is always 100% on point
2021-11-29 15:23
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#107
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Netherlands PawnyCS
i think neL is always on point tbh, its just that when he says faze was interested in him it doesnt mean that ropz goes to faze, it just means that they are negociating
2021-11-29 15:29
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#109
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
Nah as any "insider" he doesn't have the full truth. He has some truths but the true insiders (people within the orgs) won't reveal it, so he get's his info from talks from people within the industry. He is the best leaker, but still, as any leaker, not 100% accurate
2021-11-29 15:33
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#110
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Netherlands PawnyCS
yeah okay true
2021-11-29 15:33
Dekay is the only one who is 100% getting all the rumor true.
2021-11-29 15:53
Yeah, leakers aren't 100% accurate with their info considering lack of up-to-date info from orgs. I feel that overdrive seems to be the most accurate among leakers.
2021-11-29 15:56
If faze don't remove olof and get ropz, or anyone for that matter, I'll be mad.
2021-11-29 15:28
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same, I dont think this lineup can place higher and cologne was kinda their peak :D
2021-11-29 15:42
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yeah, if they wanna keep olof, they need to remove twistz or rain and get another superstar to carry the slack.
2021-11-29 15:44
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I think - olof is the obvious choice because they never replaced rain and after he came back to form I dont think they will replace him right now and they see twistzz as star and it would be dumb to replace him tbh :D karrigan wont be kicked and I dont think they will replace broky and I dont think they plan it so they will probably replace olof hopefully with ropz fingers crossed :D
2021-11-29 18:05
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Yeah, obvious choice is olof, but in case he is unkickable for some unknown reason, then you need to look somewhere else, because this team just won't work, unless we get 2018/19 twistz and 2017 rain at the same time, which at this point doesn't seem to be happening.
2021-11-29 18:23
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yeah good point but I dont see anyone free or coming to Faze that is that super star and would come to Faze so the one best option right now is only - olof + ropz imo
2021-11-29 18:31
intersting
2021-11-29 15:38
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