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United States sugasean 
It will sound strange, but I am increasingly beginning to incline to the fact that the culprit of the Liquid failures and the one who muddies the water is Elige. Well, it's strange, the composition has already been reassembled 5 times in a circle and only the Elige remained unchanged; and at the same time, having top compositions on paper, they always lacked something, and also with any compositions, the corporate style of Chokequid remained unchanged (which is again strange).And here are the next reshuffles, even Naf is already dumping and who remains in the sinking ship again? Elige.. around which the next mountain composition is being collected (only now even on paper it looks like a garbage dump); I am tormented by vague doubts... I do not dispute that he is top. Doubts are just creeping in that he is still a toxic. Well, it's really funny, from year to year, players, captains, coaches change around him, and the team, like a carbon copy, shits every time in important matches, as if it's the same players playing under different nicknames for years. Yes, and about the only axe- for me, Naf is not inferior in usefulness in any way, and before that there was also a Twist, but the liquid was just the same every time the liquid was let in at a crucial moment
2021-11-24 22:16
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#1
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Serbia eliiiiii_
my thread like this got deleted so cya in 10 otherwise I agree completely
2021-11-24 22:17
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#2
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United States sugasean
see you later)))
2021-11-24 22:18
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EXACTLY!@@!@!!@! elige is worse than 17 simple toxicity. not good for a vet
2021-11-25 00:36
#3
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United States sen0r_vac
this reads like a fkn Lovecraft short story, nice
2021-11-24 22:18
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#5
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United States sugasean
is that good?)
2021-11-24 22:18
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#7
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United States sen0r_vac
ye
2021-11-24 22:19
How was Lovecraft's cat called?
2021-11-24 22:19
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#9
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United States sen0r_vac
i was don't know this sekret details
2021-11-24 22:20
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:)))) Nice name, you agree?
2021-11-24 22:20
Only Jonathan E is allowed to say that word
2021-11-24 23:28
EliGE has a shitty mentality and attitude but the reason why he isn't kicked yet is because he's still one of the best NA players, and he is pretty consistent. Although for the past few months he's been pretty underwhelming
2021-11-24 22:18
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#10
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United States sugasean
ure right, my boy
2021-11-24 22:19
#16
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United States Azaqa
he actually has a really good mentality, hes always aiming to improve his game in everything he does. Bad attitude maybe but definitely not mentality, he has the mentality of a true competitor
2021-11-24 22:44
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Mentality isn't just about improving your own game, it's also about how you approach team work and trying to help your teammates improve. Which elige is reportedly really, really bad at. His mentality towards improving individually is very good, but his mentality around team improvement is a clear problem
2021-11-24 23:34
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#79
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North America hi_mens))
+1
2021-11-26 01:42
Hard to focus on cs when malding.
2021-11-24 23:53
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hahah balding!!! i said that in a comment couple hours ago . his hairs like a lil babies! l;;ololol!!!!haha
2021-11-25 01:15
sad liquid will cut EVERYONE for Elige. he is NOT s1mple and hes the only player you do that for, not even niko
2021-11-25 01:14
imgur.com/a/yNAKXrp Elige joins 2015-03-22 Goes through more people than 20 people including Simple and Hiko (when he was good) and cant do shit.
2021-11-24 22:19
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#12
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United States sugasean
I didn't understand the message
2021-11-24 22:21
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Who is the common denominator over the last 6 years and 8 months?
2021-11-24 22:23
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#14
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United States sugasean
Jonathan Elige
2021-11-24 22:24
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Correct, I am corroborating your OP post, which I did not read in full but I am pointing out that elige has been an issue for a while now.
2021-11-24 22:25
#17
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United States Azaqa
including when they won IGS, made it to major final etc?
2021-11-24 22:44
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Only reason they made it to the final was because of s1mple.
2021-11-24 23:25
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and the igs?
2021-11-25 00:12
you say that but he wasnt very far behind s1mple at that major
2021-11-25 00:31
#18
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Brazil DoctorXD
I think it's funny everyone saying "NA, SA is dead" no one cares about NA/SA. these teams shouldn't play major and blah blah blah. So you look at the threads and 90% are about NA/SA IoI if no one cares just leave NA/SA alone :)
2021-11-24 23:03
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#32
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United States sugasean
All the time I'm watching cs, I'm watching teams from North America, lol. But you're right, though not about me, but you're right. Look at my profile, there are only players from NA. It's just a shame as the only hope and representative of North America, she is recruiting a dick to understand who. It would be fine if they were tough shooters, but damn, they're just washed up players. It just turns from a great line-up into shit. sadly
2021-11-24 23:47
you have written it up pretty well tbh and i feel like i have also become more inclined towards the same opinion. Liquid goes through a shit ton of phases with different lineups and coaches yet they never can fullfil their potential while the only consistent thing is always Elige. But TL seems to be having a lot of faith in him to keep rebuilding around him while ignoring his actual affect. I am excited for Nitro`s return but Shox for sure is a massive downgrade over NAF and a lot rides on who their 5th is gonna be. I just wish NAF gets some good teammates around him and he can be more successful. I only cared about him from the current iteration of the squad.
2021-11-24 23:11
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But honestly, did c9 did better in terms of consistency? They wasn't prepared for the major and theirbwin is mostly based on faze choke. It is more a constant in na in general. Naf had been on various team, but they didnt achieved much. Naf is a choker too then.
2021-11-24 23:21
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They were a pretty decent team even before the major.
2021-11-24 23:22
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But they disbanded montn after. A win is a win, but you can't compare to astralis or navi who dominate the major. The guys are talented, but elige, tarik, stewie have big egos. Even twistz or naf probably want to play a certain way. I just dont like the argument about elige is the only one in the team = toxic. Vitality have only zywoo and apex in the team. Zywoo toxic confirmed. Elige, nitro and twistz on the side Stew, naf and (tarik) on the other.
2021-11-25 00:20
I aren't read that
2021-11-24 23:24
1 reply
go talk to woman
2021-11-24 23:27
you really from ua bro? i've seen native people with worser handwriting
2021-11-24 23:27
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#33
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United States sugasean
I've been correcting some shit in the translator
2021-11-24 23:49
No it doesn't sound strange. I also came to conclusion that it would be the best for Liquid to change Elige and stew. I think thay are the reasons this team can't get along with each other.
2021-11-24 23:29
That's a pretty decent and fair assessment... While he's a good player, maybe his ego is too big behind the scenes.
2021-11-24 23:30
I’m a fan of nitro coming back but this team is trash. Letting Twistzz go bad move letting Naf go bad move. - stew Grimm fallen good moves. Adding shox??? Maybe 5 years ago Vin?????? He’s what 3rd best on furia??? Nitro Elige Naf Twistzz Cerq/Brehze MAKE LIQUID GREAT AGAIN
2021-11-24 23:43
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#34
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United States sugasean
MAKE LIQUID GREAT AGAIN
2021-11-24 23:50
Vini is the 3rd best in terms of stats, but Vini is a support, what is lacking in na. Grim was a shitty support. So, they need somebody else.
2021-11-26 01:40
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Support is a overrated potion. So many shit players get a pass in Tier1 because they are support. Look at taco on liquid. He was terrible but everyone said he’s support he’s support. The only player who should get a pass with low rating is the igl.
2021-11-29 21:13
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You kinda right, except if the igl is the awper or the lurker. At the same time, some positions will get you more chances to multiples kills and need sometimes an another player used as a decoy. I just say rating is not the only important factor in a team. It doesn't need that a negative rating is okay if you play more supportative roles, but don't expect all players with 1.15 , 1.2 rating. A common answer is grim was doing well because hjs rating. An anchor is basically slowing the rush more than killing and excess peeking.
2021-11-29 21:26
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2021-11-29 21:49
Rating is a good factor to evaluate a player, but like monesy, the guy is set up to get many kills. I just hate when rating is almost a religion for justifying exit kills or way too passive lurking.
2021-11-29 21:50
maybe it time to kick elige
2021-11-24 23:47
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#35
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United States sugasean
it will be funny if they build a team around him and he leaves Cs :DD
2021-11-24 23:50
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in my op Naf is way better, it feels so good to be a naffer
2021-11-25 00:04
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#50
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United States sugasean
damn, how cool is it to be a naffer
2021-11-25 00:38
NAF to FaZe Confirmed
2021-11-24 23:51
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#51
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United States sugasean
source : trust me
2021-11-25 00:38
I actually agree
2021-11-24 23:52
there is any known beef between Naf/Twistzz and Elige? Cuz Faze is always a possibility at this point
2021-11-25 00:05
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#52
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United States sugasean
I noticed that Naf and Jonathan are not subscribed to each other on instagram
2021-11-25 00:39
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actually i made the wrong question, it was supposed to be about Twistzz and Naf but that may mean that they are not that friendly towards each other anymore
2021-11-25 00:45
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I think most likely stew and twistzz didn't get along, naf and stew really good friends so if it became a situation of stew vs elige(or twistzz) then naf was probably on stews side and twistzz on elige's side.
2021-11-25 00:46
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Damn, it really is a EUA x CANm but seriously idk who is luriking in Faze cuz i dont watch their games but if Naf goes in place of rain or olof maybe Faze can really start to became truly decent, maybe one more good placer and they might have a chance
2021-11-25 00:55
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olof lurks, faze is in a good spot if they get literally any other lurker rn tbh like naf big upgrade ropz big upgrade shit even jks is a big upgrade.
2021-11-25 00:57
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#64
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United States sugasean
+1 bro
2021-11-25 01:10
I think so too. Stew, Tarik and naf (and Rush) and Elige, twistz, nitro. Elige is a control freak, but stewie is too. I dont think he is that toxic.
2021-11-26 01:42
Liquid and the brand itself is CURSED af
2021-11-25 00:05
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na teams always cursed
2021-11-25 00:47
elige is a whiny bitch
2021-11-25 00:05
Correlation =/= Causation You think by kicking Elige they could find a roster that can achieve their "potential"?
2021-11-25 00:11
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#53
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United States sugasean
Honestly, I can't answer. But you can find a replacement for one player in the current squad, rather than changing the entire squad for him. Hell, even naf has a higher rating!
2021-11-25 00:41
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Naf is joining his friend Stewie, they don't kick him. It is a big difference.
2021-11-26 01:43
+1 Finally, someone who can figure the difference. If we follow that logic : only zywoo and apex are still in the vitality from the original roster, zywoo is toxic.
2021-11-26 01:44
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#88
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United States sugasean
tru ahahahahaha
2021-11-26 05:23
Yah I totally agree! 100% it is Elige He is very pretentious and I think the org looks up to him because he has the best stats on the team. If you just watch his stream or youtube videos of him, look at the way he handles himself and others around him. He is Mr. Hot Take on everything, clearly can be a hurtful teammate, and I think he is a control freak. Don't get me wrong. He is a great player but a player who needs to learn team mentality skills. But this is just my opinion
2021-11-25 00:12
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#54
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United States sugasean
no cap. u right
2021-11-25 00:41
#56
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United States lGalaxiuml
this is all true except naf literally has a higher rating. dont know why liquid haven't kicked him yet.
2021-11-25 00:44
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Elige has consistently higher ratings and better performances compared to NAF tho... sadly... <3 Naf
2021-11-25 05:12
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#70
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United States lGalaxiuml
He used to perform better but in the last 6 months he's really fallen off. (No pun intended)
2021-11-25 13:23
#48
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North America ClassyOne
Yes, I think that his personality is definitely a major part of the issues in the team despite him being a great player. Things like that are hard to change.
2021-11-25 00:33
#55
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United States lGalaxiuml
I completely agree with you amigo.
2021-11-25 00:42
he might be on to something but stewie10am doesnt not make for a good igl
2021-11-25 00:46
When you talk about Liquid reaching their potential though you are really talking about Elige himself hitting his absolute peak. Which is what this conversation is missing. Elige is not that far off being one of the top 10 players to ever play csgo. He may actually be there people could definitely argue one way or another. Point is he's far from the only superstar level player who's got a big ego and can be toxic. It's just kind of his turn to get hate for it cause he never really has and the teams falling apart.
2021-11-25 01:00
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#65
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United States sugasean
I can't say that the team does not give him development. I can't say he's a victim here. shit happens
2021-11-25 01:11
#69
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United States Rayduh
why are people hating on EliGE
2021-11-25 05:22
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#71
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United States lGalaxiuml
he has an awful attitude but he basically runs the team because he's been there since the very begining so liquid always has to try to build a new team around him. overall this whole meltdown is his fault
2021-11-25 13:24
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#72
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United States Rayduh
well he has been at Liquid since 2015, so he should be the captain even though he is not IGL
2021-11-25 13:44
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#73
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United States sugasean
look what this has led to. The golden line-up changes to shit, all because Jonathan wants it so!
2021-11-25 14:21
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#75
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United States lGalaxiuml
precisely
2021-11-26 01:30
#74
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United States lGalaxiuml
thats exactly my point, they give him free reign to kick and sign whoever he wants, it leads to a total crapshow as represented here
2021-11-26 01:30
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He didn't kick nitro or twistz. They are his friends. He is not the CEO of liquid, guys chill. He probably didnt want Fallen too. He has influence, like karrigan, niko, glaive, simple have in their teams.
2021-11-26 01:48
#76
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United States dusq
elige's big problem is that he's a really passive aggressive prissy little bitch. they lose three rounds in a row and he looks like his mom just got shot irl. idk about toxic, he just really needs to man up
2021-11-26 01:32
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Man, nothing makes me feel more like throwing than passive aggressive players.
2021-11-26 01:53
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#87
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United States dusq
you and the other four liquid players lol
2021-11-26 02:43
i did the same comment on twitter on a short way i said: i'm starting to think the problem of Liquid is Elige.
2021-11-26 01:38
Would prob try to get cerq and get rid of Stew & Fallen dunno who last player should be nitro?
2021-11-26 01:57
Liquid should probably hire a mental coach like Astralis; It's probably why they haven't been able to keep a team together for more than a few months
2021-11-26 02:00
Literally everyone in this thread is posting baseless "facts" lmao. We have no idea how Elige is behind the scenes, stop inserting yourself into the team. He is the best player on the team. There is no evidence to support he even has a shitty attitude. Chill out you deranged fucks lmao
2021-11-26 05:33
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there is evidence
2021-11-29 21:14
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what evidence? players saying, he is harder to work with? the man probably expects high level of play and work from his team, but even I don't know that and it's just speculation. the point is, nobody here has any clue wtf they are talking about.
2021-11-29 21:53
He said she said is not "evidence"
2021-11-30 06:43
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