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Top2 case for Sh1ro
s1mple | 
Ukraine n1mutant 
Few key reasons for why sh1ro atm is (should be considered) ahead of zywoo for top2 of 2021 #1. The gap in ratings is pretty much insignificant atm, 1.26 vs. 1.28 hltv.org/stats/leaderboards?startDate=20.. #2. sh1ro 71 maps played vs. top5 compared to 31 of zywoo. two important reasons here first the gap is just too big, and it becomes even more crucial because zywoo has played only 31 maps with 1.23 ratings. This shows if he plays 40 more maps his overall ratings will suffer, making their Rating gap even smaller. #3. Quality of ratings, zywoo has 1 grand final with 1.23 ratings vs. 12 grand finals of sh1ro (If I am not mistaken) #4. Category Ranking the Best in 2021, sh1ro is top1 at 5 categories as of now vs. zywoo top at 1 and that's pistols... these are always shared and considered by HLTV in the top20 list profiles #5. Achievements, Team's are not even in the same dimension and also individually sh1ro 3 mvps vs. zywoo 0 #6. Who is Better at their Role: shiro has been by far the best AWP player of 2021 vs. zywoo Super Star Player, he is been just short of a disaster (you can keep saying but his team and so on, doesn't changes the fact that zywoo was underwhelming especially in 80% of pressure or elimination maps) I think its more than enough reasons to consider sh1ro but there is even more that can be added in his favor.
2021-11-25 11:56
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I didnt even think Zywoo is relevant this year XD I mean u explained it, Vitality hasnt been that good, so Zywoo coulndt shine also
2021-11-25 11:57
NiKo will take #2
2021-11-25 11:58
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#4
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Russia brillianton
0/8 keep hating nerd
2021-11-25 11:59
20 replies
NiKo>sh1ro in every way, except winning tournaments
2021-11-25 11:59
19 replies
and rating and mvps and evps yep everything
2021-11-25 12:01
16 replies
At least NiKo is not farming in tier 2 lol
2021-11-25 12:04
4 replies
Tier3*
2021-11-25 12:06
#36
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Vietnam darwin3000
Can i ask you question ? if proplayer don't join the tournament , Where do they get money to live ?
2021-11-25 12:08
#193
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Norway thojo
lan experience is crucial for gambit atm, so they take every lan opportunity they get
2021-11-25 14:53
1 reply
+1
2021-11-25 14:54
Sure, rating 2.0 because he's an awper. kekw Look at impact, adr and kpr and you'll see that NiKo is miles ahead Sh1ro, but guess what, as he's rifler and takes more risk and saves less, he gets less kast because he survives less and he dies more so he gets less rating 2.0. It's shameful that same stat worths double, specially when it's a stat that gives points to the guys who run fast to CT spawn and wait for the next round because they are beta.
2021-11-25 12:20
9 replies
dont hate the player hate the game
2021-11-25 12:22
8 replies
I don't hate sh1ro, he's good #3 player, but #2 should be for NiKo
2021-11-25 12:23
7 replies
nope, as i say, event wins, ratings, mvps, evps, everything favours sh1ro who was undoubtably better than niko in 2021 niko only showed up the last 2-3 months which is not enough
2021-11-25 12:26
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only showed up? what this supposed to mean? dude has been putting up numbers since 2013
2021-11-25 13:27
5 replies
+1
2021-11-25 13:38
not in early 2021 lol ive obviously been talking about this year...
2021-11-25 13:59
2 replies
good save haha
2021-11-25 14:10
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bro this whole thread is about 2021
2021-11-25 14:13
#169
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
who cares about 2013. this is about 2021 top 20 no? NiKo is probably 4th but deserves 3rd
2021-11-25 14:27
Niko way higher impact rating, and also higher ratings vs top 5 and top 10 which matter more. 1.38 Lan impact. In reality sh1ro is not even very close to being as good as Niko, but when it comes to hltv ranking its usually more or less fucked up because irrelevant statistics get too much value.
2021-11-25 14:33
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India botbrudda2
+1
2021-11-25 12:01
#38
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Biske
+1
2021-11-25 12:09
#150
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Brazil Nicolito
If he's lucky enough he get top 4 or 5. Probably 5 or 6.
2021-11-25 14:14
5 replies
Should be higher than sh1ro anyhow.
2021-11-25 14:28
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#182
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Brazil Nicolito
only s1mple will be above sh1ro, as he will be top 2.
2021-11-25 14:37
3 replies
0% chance this k/d player is above zywoo, sorry.
2021-11-25 14:49
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#195
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Brazil Nicolito
zywOo won literally 0 events 0 MVPs.... there's no way he can be above sh1ro. He will be #3 and he should thank god about that, if his rating was like 0.05 worse, he wouldn't even feat top 5. Just like 2017 s1mple had #3 rating and #3 K/D but he was ranked #8 because no tournaments win, no mvps.
2021-11-25 15:00
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+1 lol, this thread is full of clueless kids
2021-11-26 18:21
sh1ro should be getting top2 as long as ZywOo is not gonna win any MVP.
2021-11-25 11:59
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#73
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France MaskSosaa
Zwhoo is not even in top 5 rn
2021-11-25 12:38
Nah, sh1ro has so much lower impact than zywoo. Tbh I dont think sh1ro should even be in consideration for top 5. Baiting high level k/d player in a team that was very succesful, not impressive. Zywoo IS vitality, and without him it would be dead team in 2021. Sh1ro is easily replaceable and gambit is still good.
2021-11-25 14:23
Good reasoning. Can you also make and argument thread between Niko and zywoo for top3?
2021-11-25 11:59
14 replies
sure, but not asap :p got some work to do, will ping you here once done PS. Don't know who should be considered top3 so it will be interesting to see it for both
2021-11-25 12:05
11 replies
Yeah do your thing, its not easy to make a post with arguments and facts explaining your position on a subject. ill be stalking around for that post
2021-11-25 12:07
8 replies
+1
2021-11-25 12:07
Are you this guy's alt? facts and good arguments? The first link he presented explaining "0.2" gap is without any ranking filter and thus irrelevant. What a wasted effort. Even against top 50 the gap is actually 0.3
2021-11-25 12:25
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All he said are facts, no one said they were good, but whats "good" gotta do with someone presenting facts suporting his opinion? Wasted effort is you replying to me with irrelevant stuff and in any way using "facts" to suport your position.
2021-11-25 12:25
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irrelevant stuff? relevant to the hltv player rankings being discussed here. I guess it's hard to admit you're wrong and easy to argue on technicality
2021-11-25 12:30
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what relevant stuff did you bring up tho?
2021-11-25 12:31
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m0nesy top 1. hltv.org/stats/players/19230/m0nesy?star.. Here i presented my "facts" supporting my "opinion". Lmao the thread is about hltv rankings. Not somebody's personal list of top players
2021-11-25 12:34
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What is supporting your postion? A player page? Lmao dude stop replying to me pls
2021-11-25 12:35
first, link is with all the relevant events of 2021 that would/should be considered for ranking... so its already filtered. second argument is about top5 which you are trying to say I didn't consider... and by the way you can change the filters :P by yourself to see the changes. hope it helps
2021-11-25 12:53
You can DM your analysis to Striker/Prof directly and ask them about their opinions.
2021-11-25 13:39
1 reply
+1
2021-11-25 14:22
+1 Yes please
2021-11-25 12:10
1 reply
+1
2021-11-25 12:18
#6
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Russia brillianton
sh1ro will get 2 this year and potentially 1 next year if s1mple declines
2021-11-25 11:59
sh1ro seems like an upgraded device and if ppl consider device to be the best awper, sh1ro is 100% better s1mple makes more ridiculous plays and is an enigma, but sh1ro plays the awp the way awpers should use it
2021-11-25 11:59
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#10
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Lithuania Litva2k
s1mple makes those plays because he can and reads the game really well
2021-11-25 12:00
8 replies
yeah and no1 else in cs can do what he does awpers should model after sh1ro, not s1mple
2021-11-25 12:01
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#17
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Lithuania Litva2k
Yea but i think that sh1ro should sometimes be a bit more aggressive
2021-11-25 12:02
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if gambit didnt have 4 amazing players besides him, 100%. but with nafany entrying, ax1le and hobbit making room and interz being top 2 support player, u dont really need sh1ro to make huge plays but i think gambit works fine as they are. theyre my favorite team to watch rn for a reason
2021-11-25 12:04
Indeed, can't replicate consistently the skill and gamesense of s1mple. But its possible to copy positioning and setups from sh1ro to some extent
2021-11-25 12:04
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yeah, it's the same logic ppl had for device. just hard for most players to have the same lvl of calmness that sh1ro has
2021-11-25 12:06
true. if you watched a s1mple demo sometimes you dont get what he does. but he does this thing where he makes a hard or unexpected move or shot and win the round.
2021-11-25 12:08
Yeah, that's true xD
2021-11-25 13:37
0/8
2021-11-25 14:01
i wish hltv ranking was based on skill and not only stats so these awp abusers wouldnt steal rankings and someone like b1t should get top 2 instead
2021-11-25 12:00
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yes, higher rating than EliGE, your point?
2021-11-25 12:04
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consolation for you, since after roster change liquid tier 50 also)) elige team ruiner not woro2k.. didnt think id ever say that xaxa
2021-11-25 12:09
B1t being top10 on his rookie year and after lans came back is already amazing.
2021-11-25 12:02
cringe
2021-11-25 12:03
b1t should be top 2 imo aswell. 1. S1mple 2. B1t 3. Zywoo 4. Niko 5. Electronic
2021-11-25 13:32
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as a B1t fan Niko>B1t
2021-11-25 13:57
Bad b8
2021-11-25 14:50
zywoo is definately second best player in the world this year, match with s1mple he got more frags than him but his team sucks :) sh1ro had like 0.4 kd against last game with s1mple at major, like in second tier sh1ro is brutal but on top tier sh1ro is just another awper most of time no hate but hes not good enough for top 2 spots
2021-11-25 12:02
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seems like you ddin't read the thread at all. Zywoo played less 50% matches against tier 1 Zywoo the true tier 2 brutal player
2021-11-25 12:05
Is ypur only argument vs s1mple ”zywoo more kills vs s1mple in game” omg u stupid delete hötv from your web browser
2021-11-25 12:21
sh1ro is an upgraded Jame. The biggest difference is what you have ax1le and h0bbit on your team as well it opens up the game much more rather than Zywoo having multiple dead weights on the roster.
2021-11-25 12:03
+1, if anyone beats sh1ro at 2nd place that'd be a joke of a list
2021-11-25 12:03
i think Sh1ro 3rd place after niko, Zywoo 4th or 5th
2021-11-25 12:06
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Niko doesnt have better stats andmore MVps than Sh1ro. Only thing Niko got above sh1ro is a major final. As we know team placings are not highly regarded for hltv top or zywoo wouldn't be top10
2021-11-25 12:18
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sh1ro awp abuser... -21 points, so 3rd place
2021-11-25 12:35
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Niko Ak headshot abuser -22 points so niko 4rd place Lets see niko have those stats with mp7 or negev
2021-11-25 12:36
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negev too op and banned in tier 1, MP7 only usable by GOD ChrisJ, he is over any of these players of course.
2021-11-25 12:42
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Negev with awp movement speed would be too crazy mp7 needs more jumping accuracy
2021-11-25 12:44
sh1ro 2nd 99%
2021-11-25 12:06
ZywOo just gets cut out because no big event playoffs. They take that rating into account massively.
2021-11-25 12:07
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#96
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African Union Zollbit
Your name actually got better since you made it
2021-11-25 13:21
1 reply
I always believe mens
2021-11-25 14:48
1.17 impact vs 1.36 kekw dude sh1ro is upgraded jame. 0 risks taken for the team, if if he didnt plays with top rifles he'll struggle hard
2021-11-25 12:08
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and you genuinely believe that is reason enough for zywoo to be top #2 of 2021 over sh1ro, despite all the facts above stating otherwise? Just trying to understand if you are trolling or serious
2021-11-25 12:10
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#2 should be NiKo my man. NiKo 1.23 rating 2.0, 1.32 impact with 89.8 adr against top5, major finalist sh1ro 1.19 rating 2.0, 1.10 impact with 73.4 adr and he has that similar rating 2.0 because he loves jame time like all the awpers that gets rating 2.0 boosted because of that.
2021-11-25 12:26
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#25 Niko has been a god rifler without a doubt, I will see for both then sh1ro and zywoo, but I really doubt he can beat sh1ro for top2
2021-11-25 12:29
"because he loves jame time" Not like it's been confirmed by NAFANY that he is the one telling sh1ro to play passive and save and that normally sh1ro would play way more aggressively...
2021-11-25 12:57
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He does it or not? If you're an awper you save more times because of economy, unless you're s1mple who always tries to clutch or at least have impact with exits. What's not nice, is that you get your rating 2.0 super boosted because you save half of the rounds.
2021-11-25 13:05
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You basically said that sh1ro's playstyle is the way it is because he loves Jame Time aka it's his own decision, which is incorrect and I pointed that out, not sure where the misunderstanding is at?
2021-11-25 13:35
and you genuinely believe that is reason enough for sh1ro to be top of 2021 over zywoo, despite all the facts above stating otherwise? Just trying to understand if you are trolling or serious
2021-11-25 12:44
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6 reasons, yes
2021-11-25 12:45
sh1ro still #2 Zywoo #3 or #4
2021-11-25 12:11
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He's not gonna be #4. Top 3 is guaranteed. Bookmark this comment and come back in january
2021-11-25 12:26
1. S1mple 2. Sh1ro 3. Zywoo 4. NiKo 5. Jame
2021-11-25 12:15
he is top1, i think
2021-11-25 12:20
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I knew i would find u. Sh0ro will never be top1 mark my word
2021-11-25 12:22
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0/8
2021-11-25 12:37
#2 NiKo #3 Zywoo
2021-11-25 12:22
#55
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Ukraine McSwell
s1mple NiKo shiro Hobbit zywoo
2021-11-25 12:23
”shiro has been by far the best AWP player of 2021” S1mple: hold my beer, 1major, 1major mvp, 5 mvps, 1 grandslam. Best raiting. Only why sh1ros awp stats are good IS BECAUSE HE SAVE EVERY ROUND bc no confident skill to retake 1vs2 1vs3
2021-11-25 12:24
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s1mple is a super star player, they have different roles overall
2021-11-25 12:30
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I know but s1mple>sh1ro in awping
2021-11-25 12:31
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its about the role and stats (I am a s1mple fan): sh1ro is the dedicated awper (whether he likes it or not in a round, he has to play it if they can afford it) the team and the strats rely on it. hltv.org/stats/players/weapon/7998/s1mpl.. hltv.org/stats/players/weapon/16920/sh1r.. hltv.org/stats/players/weapon/11893/zywo..
2021-11-25 12:34
easy to have opinions hard to back them up fella :)
2021-11-25 12:40
sh1ro has the highest number of clutches won in 2021...
2021-11-25 12:45
i'm... a little confused. you included group stages and a dreamhack event which didn't have an mvp. removing every non mvp event (hltv doesn't count those), the gap increases to 0.05 which is substantial. hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01.. filter that to only "elite" events and the gap increases to 0.07. hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01.. you gotta fix your filter. hltv top 20 rankings don't take into account how well zywoo did at the blast showdown lol
2021-11-25 12:55
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they do this year because of RMR and so on events they were basically qualifiers, and the other qualifier events such as blasts groups and showdowns... what you are trying to do is, remove the events where zywoo shiii his bed but I understand where you are coming from
2021-11-25 12:59
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i understand why you added events that hltv has never included in their top 20 rankings too lol there was a blast showdown, blast spring groups, blast fall groups, cologne playins last year - does that show up in any of the top 20 lists as a tournament? no. the rmrs do count as independent tournaments though so i included them. plus, if zywoo "shits the bed" (avg 0.02 lower rating) at these tournaments but performs 0.02 better at mvp events and 0.05 higher in elite events... tells you something about who's better in pressure
2021-11-25 13:05
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no what tells you more about who is playing better is who is getting the deeper runs. I don't know why are you trying to be confused by this fact... zywoo has 31 maps played vs. top5 and has a single grand final appearance with 1.23 ratings. sh1ro has 12 grand finals or so. you can try to omit what you don't like, but those qualifiers were played for "elite" events which HLTV puts the stats separately and considers them more important. But they don't outright omit the other events.
2021-11-25 13:10
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no that tells you who has the better team, which everyone agrees is gambit. they'll have 3 players in the top 10 this year. the top 5 filter goes towards zywoo - he has a better rating (and less maps). the top 10 filter goes towards zywoo too. so does the top 20, etc, etc. the qualifiers straight up do not count. for example, in 2020 big played the qualifier to get to pro league. the qualifier doesn't show up on syrson's hltv top 20 tournaments list, and the rating shown isn't an average of the qualifier plus the main event - it's just the main event. petar has definitely said this before somewhere.
2021-11-25 13:25
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then why does HLTV bother with elite event/big events filters and counting group stages and so on... it doesn't show up because they didn't write about it but it does in the ratings. And, they mention these stats in the player profiles as play-offs and elite events and so on. again the facts are stated above but you are ignoring it all... so you want to punish the player who has been a good team player and has won a lot and had deeper runs... the higher the competition, and deeper runs in the events you play the lower your ratings becomes. and reward a player who has made it to a single grand final and has played 31 maps vs. top5 because, why? he is cute or you like him :P what is your reasoning behind it?
2021-11-25 13:30
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ok the first part is the easiest part to disprove. here is yuurih from 2020: hltv.org/news/30925/top-20-players-of-20.. and here is a filter with only the tournaments shown in the list: hltv.org/stats/players/events/12553/yuur.. as you can see the ratings are exactly the same - no qualifiers, no top 20/30 filters, nothing. hltv doesn't consider those factors and is absolutely right not to - for example, if the team that wins a tournament isn't in the top 20 when they win it, why exclude them from the rankings arbitrarily? the best metrics is how well you did at tournaments that matter. i don't want to punish good team players, it's just that top 20 is an individual ranking. simple had a 0.07 higher rating than device in 2019, and much less team achievements and awards, but won it anyways. same with 2018. we know that a large rating gap is worth more to hltv than a lot of achievements - even 2 major mvps. that's just how it is, because it's an individual ranking
2021-11-25 13:45
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again out of 20 profiles you pick the one that you want to illustrate your opinion as factual. I honestly don't know why, so sorry no more replies
2021-11-25 13:57
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dude check for every single other top 20 profile it's the same hltv only considers tournaments as a whole, and only the ones it gives out mvps at those are the filters
2021-11-25 13:58
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i don't need to check it, i know they put different categories for each player :P I read them every year... those profiles don't show all that is considered but what makes sense for that individual player to be considered for that spot. if you open 3-5 more profiles you will see what I am talking about
2021-11-25 13:59
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go ahead and find a counterexample
2021-11-25 14:01
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hltv.org/news/30998/top-20-players-of-20.. notable stats: pretty different to yuurih
2021-11-25 14:03
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the notable stats section are highlights from the shown tournaments, all of which are mvp events with no qualifiers.
2021-11-25 14:12
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you think that's in favor of zywoo but its not, because he has only 1 grand final :P and very little tier 1 team maps... and that also with 1.23 rating... so I don't know what are you trying to point at there. a. HLTV counts groups and qualifiers its a fact b. they gave more importancece to elite events c. they care about play offs stats d. and they care about competition and competition at what stage
2021-11-25 14:16
Please stop embarrassing yourself.
2021-11-25 14:05
according to your filters, zywoo shouldn't be considered at all in the race, because he hasn't faced enough top competition and if we filter it on top5 or top10 zywoo gets out of the list (because he hasn't played enough maps): hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01.. hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01..
2021-11-25 13:04
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so this makes a lot of sense now because you don't know how to use the hltv filters and haven't scrolled down far enough to see the maps played filter LOL i'm surprised you didn't ever look at your filter and realise that kscerato, ropz, frozen, NAF, elige, etc didn't show up on the list - even though all of them are top 20 contenders this year. of course you have to adjust the map filter lol
2021-11-25 13:09
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:P i know what that is, doesn't changes the fact that zywoo is not averaging vs. other players who has played higher competition compared to him. here to make it easier for you to understand, zywoo has "shii his bed" in these events as well, with more group stages exits than finals (waaaayyyy more) hltv.org/stats/players/events/11893/zywo.. hltv.org/stats/players/events/11893/zywo.. anyhow, I hope this helps you :)
2021-11-25 13:15
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you have sent me two filters where zywoo averages a 1.30 rating, which is 0.05 and 0.07 higher than shiro respectively huh?
2021-11-25 13:19
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dude :P and where does he exits #1 or #2 or 7-9 and 5-6 and shiii like that? of course he will have higher ratings if he plays lower competition. sh1ro has 40 more maps played vs. top5 compared to zywoo. 10+ grand finals do you get that or is it something that doesn't ring any bells for you...
2021-11-25 13:23
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oh i see the point you're trying to make. no. he has a 0.03 higher rating against top 5, the rating gap increases by 0.09 when you switch to top 10, and then goes down by 0.02 when you switch to top 20. so zywoo is: better vs top 5 a huge amount better vs top 10 a lot better vs top 20
2021-11-25 13:31
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I gave up :P you don't want to hear/understand what I say you are just hellbent on what you want to prove by cherry-picking what you like and ignoring the rest. the thread is not saying zywoo has lower ratings than sh1ro but what kind of ratings, and a lot more
2021-11-25 13:37
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i mean i'm just presenting the facts. i've done nothing but show better versions of your filters which present accurate information if you want to talk about what kind of ratings zywoo has we can talk about the 0.17 impact difference lol
2021-11-25 13:40
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as I said you want to cherry-pick its not helpful but you want to deliberately throw a wrench in the gears, and say see its not working
2021-11-25 13:54
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i'm just creating filters that are the same as the ones hltv uses for the top 20 and reading off statistics from it. it's fun for me i have a data science background lol
2021-11-25 13:56
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from your Yuurih :p profile doesn't seem like you have data science background...
2021-11-25 13:58
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it proves my point really well about qualifiers. for example yuurih fought through the blast showdown to get to the blast fall finals, but the showdown's stats aren't part of the top 20 rankings because it's a non-mvp qualifier. just how hltv handles their rankings
2021-11-25 14:00
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but does it for all the other players? you are too focused on a singular case and don't want to see past that
2021-11-25 14:01
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yes
2021-11-25 14:01
Ahah delusional bro, sh1ro is not even the second most impactful from his team, hobb1t and ax1le are way more especially vs top10/5 where sh1ro has a 1.10 impact and very low adr. + in 2019 s1mple got top2 over dev1ce despite having only 25 maps vs top 5 while dev1ce had 85 maps vs top 5 so 400% more than s1mple and way more difference than between zywoo and sh1ro in 2021, + at that time dev1ce was major mvp / winner and had 1.30 impact rating, sh1ro will never get top2.
2021-11-25 13:45
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device's achievements were not considered vs. s1mple in 2019 because of the MASSSIVE gap that was in their individual ratings... and we can also say s1mple had MVP and an event win and so on... but you knew that already. its dishonest to say its the same case... 2021 sh1ro and zywoo has very close gap to not consider the rest.
2021-11-25 13:52
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Massive rating gap: device 0.03 lower rating against top 5 teams than s1mple in 2019, 0.02 lower against top 10 teams and 0.06 lower against top 20 teams. Literally smaller gaps than between sh1ro and ZywOo this year. nt though
2021-11-25 14:09
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sorry not interested in your bait... learn to read
2021-11-25 14:13
10 replies
Did you already run out of arguments?
2021-11-25 14:12
The guy asnwered you wow... the difference in rating between sh1ro and zywoo is even bigger than the one between s1mple and dev1ce in 2019 vs top5 vs top10 vs top20/50 and all + it is also way more for impact, 1.15 for sh1ro and 1.10 vs top10 and 1.30 for dev1ce + the difference is also bigger for elite events : 1.30 vs 1.23 for sh1ro + dev1ce was major mvp and winner + dev1ce had 400% more mas vs top5, 85 maps vs 25 for s1mple, even zywoo will have double that at the end of 2021
2021-11-25 14:19
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how about you stop typing and share these ratings :P in a link? and start from the top please stop with the nonsense
2021-11-25 14:20
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You literally just have to filter best player in 2019 and then top5 is it so hatd to do ? You will see the 25 maps for s1mple, then check dev1ce impact and sh1ro impact and for the basic rating / elite event rating juste check : #154
2021-11-25 14:24
6 replies
funny how the other shii you said disappeared of your argument :P keep baiting :) its entertaining to say the least
2021-11-25 14:27
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What are you even saying ? You have all the links you need, basic rating, elite events rating, ilpact rating, number of maps played in 2019 and 2021 etc... are you for real that lost ?
2021-11-25 14:34
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1.22 hltv.org/news/28864/top-20-players-of-20.. 1.29 hltv.org/news/28874/top-20-players-of-20.. but I am sure you are gonna say something new now.
2021-11-25 14:37
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Yes ? When you filter with low tier event like showdown etc.. the difference is 0.02 more in 2019, but only for basic rating, dev1ce was 1.30 impact and 1.28 vs top5/10, sh1ro is only 1.15/1.10, third from his team + when you filter with elite events it gets even worst for sh1ro, 1.23 vs 1.30 for zywoo with a very low impact rating from him, dev1ce was 1.30 and sh1ro is 1.14. Dev1ce also had better rating vs top5 vs top10 and more maps vs top5, s1mple had only 25 maps vs top5 and zywoo will have doubled that by the end of the year. So the basic rating was the same on "all" filter, but the difference is way bigger for zywoo and sh1ro when you look for top5 and top10 + dev1ce had 400% more maps vs top5 and was major mvp with 1.30 impact
2021-11-25 15:26
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I have already answered to all of these things you are pointing out, and the argument for it is also in the thread, zywoo has less maps played vs. top5 and has 1.23 rating and also 1 grand final. These are two very big factors in comparing sh1ro and zywoo this year... I honestly don't care about people bringing up 2019 and I already showed you in fact that it is not the same.. but you want to keep going at it
2021-11-25 16:19
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i think you have Pb understanding so i will send to you a one last time np, zywoo stats vs Top 5 : 1.23/1.30 impact with 40+ maps at the end of the year S1mple 2019 stats vs Top5 : 1.24/1.25 impact with 25 maps Sh1ro stats vs top5 : 1.19/1.10 impact with very low 70 adr and low kpr : hltv.org/stats/players/16920/sh1ro?start.. Dev1ce 2019 vs top 5 : 1.19/1.24 impact with 80 adr and 81 maps + major mvp / winner : hltv.org/stats/players/7592/device?start.. so zywoo 2021 => s1mple 2019, same rating but better impact and more maps and, dev1ce 2019 > sh1ro 2021, way more impacts, more maps, same rating and major mvp / winner
2021-11-25 17:36
2021-11-25 14:07
#84
koks | 
Yugoslavia al0))
statswise it makes sense, but hes not a zywoo, s1mple or niko who can break the game and carry your team. but yes sh1ro is definitely the best pure awper from 2021
2021-11-25 13:01
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+1 yeah but that's a whole other parameters to look at the same thing in, in 2021 sh1ro has been a whole different beast as an AWP role player, highest success rate in opk and 105 clutches won in a league of his own. He is more than a decent awper but he is playing his role by outclassing others
2021-11-25 13:06
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#90
koks | 
Yugoslavia al0))
true
2021-11-25 13:10
#99
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Sweden ShageN
S1mple is best pure AWPer of 2021 despite S1mple is Hybrid in general, his current role is pure AWP. Don't forget about that.
2021-11-25 13:25
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#101
koks | 
Yugoslavia al0))
s1mple is the best awper but hes not a pure awper like sh1ro imo
2021-11-25 13:25
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#102
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Sweden ShageN
we are talking about roles... they both have the same role atm. for sure S1mple is the best not just with AWP, but with rifles and pistols also. but they have similar roles and s1mple has 10x better achievements and rating in 2021
2021-11-25 13:26
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#104
koks | 
Yugoslavia al0))
not true niko is better and more impactfull with rifles imo and zywoo is the better pistolplayer. what i mean by that is that sh1ro is not a starplayer like s1mple but yes pure awp skill s1mple is better
2021-11-25 13:28
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#105
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Sweden ShageN
S1mple 2019 as rifler >>>>> whole NIKo's career, dude NiKo is more impactful with rifles only because S1mple is main AWP at the moment
2021-11-25 13:29
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#109
koks | 
Yugoslavia al0))
yes statswise not even close youre right but i feel like niko is the best at getting constant openings, but s1mple definitely the better clutcher with a rifle. but i would say purely from the eye test niko is a better rifler just from all this insane one taps and smooth aim, but yeah s1mple might be better :D
2021-11-25 13:32
You need to look at where their roles differentiate not where there is overlap, in overlap we will find all kinds of players in similar roles, even elec might have some awp kills. And you could make an argument so how many times elec has purchased or rounds played AWP and how many kills he has with it? Hope it makes sense
2021-11-25 13:33
+1 sh1ro easily rank 2
2021-11-25 13:07
HLTV will carry zywoo like always
2021-11-25 13:10
#94
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France iatis
Sh1ro deserve number 2, but to answer your points : #1 - Ok #2 - if you put filter on TOP 20, the gap is bigger, top 10 even bigger. Top 5, the gap reduce a lot. 1.23 vs 1.20 But in any case, Zywoo is doing better, even vs the best of the best. #4 - What category ? I let the filter to top 20 - Death per round - KAST - Clutches - Total AWP - Success in opening duel Success in opening duel is good, but Zywoo is having more opening duel per round. That mean Zywoo takes more risk. Total Awp is not relevant. Taking into consideration that his team has been really dominant this year, and that he saves his AWP if the team fail, it could explain : Kast and Death. Clutches is important, but it should be percentage Against TOP 20 : Zywoo : 3060 round, 57 clutch => 1.86 % Sh1ro : 4253 round, 84 clutch => 1.97 % #5 Ok #6 how can Zywoo be a disaster, when you're trying to make a case for the number 2 position ? As you said, it's not like Zywoo have been carried this year. And it is an important point here. Among those 3060 round played by Zywoo, how many were there with poor pistols vs full weapon, due to the fact vitality suffured a lot ? Gambit in the other hand must have the opposite situation, full weapon vs poor pistols. Very difficult to compare two player. Sh1ro did great, and won a lot of tournaments. Congrats to him, and he deserves that number 2 spot if you ask me. But, imo, Zywoo is the better player, even this year.
2021-11-25 13:17
#98
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Sweden ShageN
he has 0 cases to be top2... Zywoo and NiKo will be top2-3
2021-11-25 13:24
sh0ro will be #2 unless vitality shows phenomenal performance the last two tournaments with zywoo having great stats. even that I'm not sure will be enough.
2021-11-25 13:33
This Hltv Link you send is like not even the real stats, and hltv rate the top 20 best players with the best 30 ranked teams, and you see that zywoo have 1.29 and shiro have 1.24, and zywoo has more impact 1.35 the shiro 1.18, Shiro have 3 mvps yes, but last year zywoo had 6 mvps and simple 2 mvp but it was still close while there both had 1.30 ratings, but zywoo have like 0.05 rating more, and thats why i think that zywoo will get 2
2021-11-25 13:49
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Firstly, no. They just use the "Top20"/"Top30" filters for twitter trivia posts. For the stats that are highlighted at the top of HLTV Top20 Ranking Articles, they consider a selection of MVP-based events, and in some cases the direct qualifiers (like Major Challengers stage, Katowice/Cologne Play-ins, BLAST Groups, etc), without any extra ranking filter on top, with a minimum map count. The OP's link isn't correct though, that's a different point. This was confirmed directly by Striker and Professeur last year. Secondly, Rating 2.0 already counts ADR, KDR, KAST, and Impact Rating. Those components are highlighted separately only for viewers' reference. They are not the deciding criteria. The deciding factor is always overall rating. 1) Overall rating at the selected events. 2) Then "elite events" rating. 3) Finally, "elite events playoffs" rating. In 2017, s1mple had 2nd highest overall rating, but very low maps in playoffs, and so his Rank suffered a lot. After this, we have MVPs + EVPs
2021-11-25 14:01
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yep! this is correct. one edit - last year, blast groups/showdown wasn't included, and in 2019, challengers stage wasn't included for the major. so i'm not certain what criteria hltv use for qualifiers but those two tournaments are probably out. hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01.. this is my guess for "selected events" - just all of the mvp events. hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01.. this is my guess for elite events - a lot murkier where the line is, but i think it's basically there. any ideas what the map filter usually is? edit: also are you aware of a tool to filter to only playoffs? that's the only part of the ranking i haven't been able to replicate
2021-11-25 14:27
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Hmm yeah, nice. About 2020, unless you include BLAST Groups, s1mple's overall rating won't be 1.30 with 1.37 impact though (as per his article). Also yes, there was a guy last year who asked these questions directly to the admins, and posted screenshots of some of their replies: hltv.org/profile/1367058/swarn151 Elite events of 2020: hltv.org/forums/threads/2399599/top5-10-.. I can't say with certainty what 2021's elite events will be, though.
2021-11-25 14:33
1 reply
thanks, that's some info he has collected there
2021-11-25 14:43
only thing that matters for HLTV is impact rating and b0tr0 is not even top 5 in that section, so in the end zywoo top 2.
2021-11-25 13:50
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Copium
2021-11-25 13:55
impact and open kills are 2 of the major stats with kd , and i can t see sh1ro, also top 10 / top 20 zywoo stats don t get worst, it will be close.. it will depend the end of the year
2021-11-25 14:09
Agreed, I’d put Zywoo 4th behind Niko tbh
2021-11-25 14:11
9 replies
Why?
2021-11-25 14:16
8 replies
He has high rating but has only made a few deep tournament runs this year
2021-11-25 14:18
1 reply
Still, ZywOo has a 0.09 higher rating.
2021-11-25 14:26
Niko 2 big finals Zywoo 0
2021-11-25 14:28
5 replies
So 2 big finals > 0.09 rating diff?
2021-11-25 14:29
4 replies
As we know hltv rating, yes. Sorry but Vita was terrible at events except 1 meanwhile G2 still dogshit but got somehow into major final and cologne final, teo biggest events of the year
2021-11-25 14:31
3 replies
"As we know hltv rating, yes." What does that mean?
2021-11-25 14:31
2 replies
Many times the number of good results in a year overcame better rating
2021-11-25 14:33
1 reply
Examples?
2021-11-25 14:33
online stats should be ignored. we have had more than enough lans this year to get a good sample size for top 20
2021-11-25 14:13
11 replies
what a stupid comment, sorry man but thats just idiotic to say.
2021-11-25 14:15
8 replies
gamb0t fan triggered by facts and logic. face the truth: in a year all online events and achievements have been completely forgotten
2021-11-25 14:17
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#151 thank god nobody cares about your stupid opinion.
2021-11-25 14:18
6 replies
cry is free. gambit are literally irrelevant on lan. maybe in 2-3 years they might be decent but as of now it would be a travesty to place any gamb0t player in top 20.
2021-11-25 14:21
5 replies
playoffs in their first ever lan at ESL top4 at major win at v4 irrelevant? i know you apparently dont like us, but you seem very unreasonable and just plain hating on 4 rookies lol.
2021-11-25 14:22
4 replies
playoffs after winning mouz and nip. Losing to g2 and faze haahahahha. not a good look. top 4 after an underwhelming run, getting absolutely molested by navi. not a good look. v4 an irrelevant lan with no good teams. not a good look.
2021-11-25 14:25
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typical hater, absolute sadcase. go support navi like everyone else, fucking bandwagoning 12 year old.
2021-11-25 14:31
2 replies
were you a gambit fan before they started destroying during the online era? if not, you are a bandwagoner as well
2021-11-25 14:39
1 reply
i have a hobbit jersey from 2017 in my room if that answers your question
2021-11-25 14:51
#185
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Finland HARD4ENCE
If online stats are ignored then NiKo will be top 2
2021-11-25 14:41
1 reply
its a deserved top 2. played well during lan when it mattered. sh1ro played well while comfortably chilling at home while his mom cooks for him in the kitchen
2021-11-25 14:44
Literally there is no case. Sh1ro is a k/d player of high level. Zero impact compared to zywoo.
2021-11-25 14:18
only delusional people think zywoo is better than sh1ro this year
2021-11-25 14:33
ZywOo wasn't even relevant this year, Vitality tanked so hard. best players is about achievement too not only stats.
2021-11-25 14:45
do people actually care about these rankings? fucking lmao
2021-11-26 18:46
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