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Norway non_radical_leftist_guy 
Okay, so let's be real here. This is pure speculations, but LETS SAY ZywOo had a team like Na'Vi without s1mple. Do you think he could get the same average rating and stuff like s1mple? It is EASIER to get high rating if your team is winning a lot, especially in such a dominant fashion that Na'Vi has been winning. I'm not saying ZywOo would be BETTER than s1mple or anything, because as we all know, s1mple was putting up insane stats when he had worse teammates than now as well. But I am just putting it up there... I think lately people have been overexaggerating the gap between ZywOo and s1mple, because ZywOo's team has been very bad, and CS is a team game after all.
2021-11-25 20:37
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#1
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France Loutcho_Q
if his team was performing yes
2021-11-25 20:38
25 replies
+1
2021-11-25 20:49
It is actually the opposite, if you have a better team it is harder to drop 30+ every game, because good teammates are also winning duels
2021-11-25 21:38
23 replies
S1mple still has a great kast and KD so it’s not that hard to put up a good rating
2021-11-25 23:02
8 replies
not that hard *for s1mple* to put up a good rating
2021-11-26 01:28
1 reply
but its zywoo too, dont forget
2021-11-26 17:26
because s1mple is the best player in the history of all versions of cs
2021-11-26 17:55
5 replies
no
2021-11-27 12:48
2 replies
cry is free
2021-11-27 14:53
1 reply
no
2021-11-27 15:50
he's not in the conversation for it... yet, he has more to prove. but if he keeps up with what he's doing right now. then definetly he would compete with the likes of neo for that title
2021-11-27 14:54
1 reply
Skill-wise he is, I just do not care what anybody says, if you actually watch and play the game, men things he does cannot be repeated by anyone ( 2k no scope from vents on nuke and much more this just stand out) Accolade wise I agree, it is a team game after all
2021-11-27 14:56
#100
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France iatis
Yes but you play with guns VS pistols more often.
2021-11-25 23:06
1 reply
well, decent point but once again Navi are not that dominant, as if they close everyone 16-5/7, but at the same time, usually teams tend to give up one frag to s1mple to find his location and then ran to other side of map lol
2021-11-27 14:54
#186
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Sweden Skunk2
easier to get lower dpr and higher KAST while playing under less pressure since if you dont perform your team can pick up the slack
2021-11-26 02:13
1 reply
Navi dont close all games in dominant fashion, as you try to make it look. other than gambit mirage game, all go to distance And there is no denying that good rifflers take away kill from the awper, as s1mple best statistical years were when he had to 2v5, exactly what zywoo does now with elec, b1t and perfecto fragging out there is simply less duels offered to s1mple therefore he gets fewer kills, against zywoo that is forced to clean up for his teammates lost duels and has has more opportunities to boost his kills stats
2021-11-26 17:52
0/8 ofc not xd. It just means that you can have an awp every round, and the opponents have more ecos so it gets easier
2021-11-26 10:28
1 reply
#317 plus s1mple would often take ak on t-cides and he doesnt relies on the awp that much, s1mple can win rounds with p250 lol
2021-11-26 17:54
SO S0mple is carrying Navi? That's what you mean?
2021-11-26 10:30
3 replies
s1mple and electronic carried navi for almost 3 years.now they can relax a bit.
2021-11-27 12:33
2 replies
relax a b1t lol
2021-11-27 14:52
1 reply
looooooooool :DDD
2021-11-28 12:46
lol no...and rating issnt only make 30 bombs... 100% Kast and positiv KD is +1.5 rating and that is easy if ur team wins 16-0 all the time
2021-11-26 11:40
#296
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Uzbekistan GODranar
However, ZywOo still pulls out incredible numbers whenever his teamates play well. We should consider ouselves lucky to witness live these clash between two of the best players of all time. I'm a dude
2021-11-26 16:07
1 reply
agree, but s1mple is different animal I'm a dude too lol
2021-11-26 17:54
No because you get better kd
2021-11-26 16:09
zywoo IS better than s1mple
2021-11-25 20:38
39 replies
No
2021-11-25 20:39
+1
2021-11-25 20:39
Nope.
2021-11-25 20:42
nobody asked.
2021-11-25 20:42
0/8
2021-11-25 20:42
+1
2021-11-25 20:42
no doubts
2021-11-25 20:44
yep
2021-11-25 20:44
no
2021-11-25 20:50
#35
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Brazil ghxd811
delusional
2021-11-25 20:51
+1
2021-11-25 20:52
no
2021-11-25 20:56
#56
RpK | 
France HippzZ
+1 but not this year, lets say he has more potential
2021-11-25 21:12
1 reply
+1
2021-11-27 12:43
+1
2021-11-25 21:18
+1
2021-11-25 21:19
#70
catgirl | 
Europe r41
in which world?
2021-11-25 21:26
11 replies
#81
hampus | 
India arc_
Ours
2021-11-25 21:37
10 replies
#92
catgirl | 
Europe r41
zywoo not even top 50 skill wise
2021-11-25 22:17
9 replies
#93
hampus | 
India arc_
brain damage
2021-11-25 22:58
3 replies
yeah you thinking zywoo is even close
2021-11-25 23:25
Obvious bait+joke, Maybe you have the brain damage
2021-11-26 01:46
do you want some water ?
2021-11-26 09:02
haha 2019 2020 top1?? so s1mple is not even top 50 too
2021-11-25 23:02
2 replies
hltv rankings lul
2021-11-25 23:27
#393
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United States Rayduh
+1 ZywOo was literally better than s1mple for two years and people forgot
2021-11-29 12:44
delusional
2021-11-26 06:35
What the fuck?,
2021-11-27 12:43
#85
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North America AlanSmith2
+1
2021-11-25 21:39
+1
2021-11-25 22:59
+1
2021-11-25 23:00
Objectively? Only during the respective years ZywOo ranked higher than s1mple did, friend. Subjectively? I think both are as good as each other - It's healthy competition.
2021-11-26 01:36
facts
2021-11-26 04:52
no zywo is noob
2021-11-26 10:00
+1 0/8
2021-11-26 10:30
#261
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Asia Kiyago
I actually consider them equal overall in individual ability and s1mple having the better legacy obviously. Zywoo can probably forge one too in the future just as how s1mple has done. I dont want one of them to be outright better than the other. Kind of boring that way
2021-11-26 14:04
stats , throphies, mvps dont agree with you
2021-11-26 15:20
+1
2021-11-26 21:37
The amount of "+1" i see for this comment really worries me The hltv community is really lost
2021-11-27 22:54
Zywoo team very bad? I think u are overreacting son
2021-11-25 20:38
6 replies
They have been incredibly bad this year, only last 2 months they have been good. Look at the rest of the year.
2021-11-25 20:39
3 replies
Hahahahah
2021-11-25 20:39
top 5 team and incredibly bad this year????
2021-11-25 20:40
1 reply
#193
B1T | 
Russia lo0u
Team has one of the best players in the world and hasn't won shit the entire year. Yeah. For their standards, they've been pretty bad.
2021-11-26 04:29
Very bad compared to Na’Vi, seems reasonable, they are still a top3-5 team of course
2021-11-25 20:39
#14
shox | 
France shwayy
navi is way above everyone rn
2021-11-25 20:41
ZywOo would have a way better rating in Na'Vi than s1mple.
2021-11-25 20:39
6 replies
cope
2021-11-25 21:05
1 reply
flag doesn't check out
2021-11-25 21:17
#194
B1T | 
Russia lo0u
Again. You're the dumbest Vitality fan ever.
2021-11-26 04:30
He wouldn't.
2021-11-26 04:47
Na'Vi would be way worse team with ZywOo than s1mple
2021-11-26 10:20
*copium*
2021-11-27 22:54
#10
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Ukraine McSwell
"Zywoo has a bad team" is a pure copium excuse. NaVi built their superteam around s1mple - elec duo, with all rest transfers of half nonamers and rookies noboby believed much in. But it worked. French team tried to do same way but failed, or didn't have much trust in their young members, that's it.
2021-11-25 20:41
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#27
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France Carrotaboy
+1
2021-11-25 20:46
wtf u r talking abt, flamie twice top 20 hltv, boombl4 best cis igl and top 3 igl rn, perfecto and b1t were promising players
2021-11-25 21:06
12 replies
boombl4 is not better than nafany, in fact boombl4 is a very very average igl and probably dogshit without blad3.
2021-11-25 23:31
5 replies
true, you might be right about nafany. boombl4 isnt average igl tho
2021-11-26 01:44
i wouldn't say average. obviously now w the coaching stuff, blade can't talk apart from to's so it's up to boombl4 to tell to his team to execute the strats without blade offering any perspective, and look what happened in the major
2021-11-26 06:20
3 replies
many analysts are speculating s1mple also does a lot of the calling in game in mid rounds. for example on ct side he pretty much calls the game around himself
2021-11-26 10:08
2 replies
yeah true i've seen that as well, but obviously boombl4 has to give his intake on the round and calling a major and multiple big tournament winner igl "a very very average igl" doesn't sit right with me
2021-11-26 11:06
1 reply
hes probalby decent, but would say hes that great either. has the best pieces by far of any igl in the world atm
2021-11-26 15:40
NAVI picked those guys up when they were nonamers that's what he means, perfect and boombl4 come from tier 2 CIS or something EDIT: also B1t from academy
2021-11-26 01:31
5 replies
all them were promising players tho, especially boombl4 and b1t, and fucking electronic
2021-11-26 01:49
4 replies
yeah there's a lot of promising players but no one knows them until some org give them a chance, did you know B1t Electronic Perfecto and Boombl4 before NAVI?
2021-11-26 02:03
3 replies
did you know misutaa nivera kyojin zywoo before vitality?
2021-11-26 02:10
2 replies
what's your point? i mean.. you're just pointing my point
2021-11-26 04:38
Bro read this thread back. You are proving his point...
2021-11-26 10:21
wtf bro? nonamers? perfecto plays one major boombl4 one minor, kyojin and misutaa play one open qualifer to dreamhack XD
2021-11-25 21:10
1 reply
2021-11-26 01:32
Well both electronic and b1t are better than all the other Vitality members. It's a stupid argument, the french scene just doesn't have the talent available right now. You can try building a team around ZywOo all you like, but if the talent pool is empty what can you do. That's also why I'm excited about Vita going international.
2021-11-27 12:32
His team is not very bad, but obv not close to the strentgh of NaVi
2021-11-25 20:40
ZywOo = s1mple rn, i guess. But ZywOo is very young, only 21, while s1mple is 24. ZywOo played 3 years as a pro, when he will be 24 y.o he will have "twice current experience" But ofc is hard to judge in 2021, s1mple 1.33 rating, ZywOo 1.30, pretty close (it's overall).
2021-11-25 20:42
5 replies
zywoo signed with vita until 2024. He will waste those 3 years there without winning a single major. The age difference doesnt mean much here.
2021-11-25 21:22
4 replies
What makes you think Vita can't win a major? Clearly they're trying to build the best possible team around him, just like they would on any other team.
2021-11-27 12:33
3 replies
"best possible" is dogshit..u got magisk and dupreeh who are almost ending their carrers. They are nnot even top 20 players, even top 30 players. On top of that u are changing comms to english. Nobody in the team even had experience in international rosters. If u think that cuz u can speak good english in fpl is enough, then u are delusional. One thing is speaking english in FPL the other is speaking it in real match.
2021-11-27 20:34
2 replies
I mean, you're really just speculating is all. And just because they get magisk and dupreeh now doesn't mean they can't get others in the future.
2021-11-27 22:00
1 reply
changing players here and there is bad. Perfect example is FaZe. I dont have anything against Zywoo. Im just dissapointed that he decided to stay in vitality rather than joining some international roster alone, but yea money was too good to turn down the offer.
2021-11-28 15:31
#19
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United Kingdom HuzzyBoii
simply not true that if you have a team that consistently performs you get a higher rating. If that were true Device would have got #1 in 2019...
2021-11-25 20:43
3 replies
your iq must be very low to not understand, when both players have a similar level the one on the best team will get the higher rating, dev1ce is less good than both s1mple and zywoo...
2021-11-25 20:48
Look at Device's rating now compared to 2018 and 2019 lol
2021-11-25 21:36
lol device best example. astralis winning boosted his placement on the rankings up completely, meanwhile lets look where he will comperatively end up this year
2021-11-25 23:33
s1mple was still able to be the best player in the world even when his team was not in form
2021-11-25 20:43
13 replies
no he wasn't lol
2021-11-25 21:20
7 replies
#195
B1T | 
Russia lo0u
He literally was and he proved it. You can't argue facts, dude. He hard carried NaVi for a long time. I really don't understand morons like you that are trying to rewrite history to fit your cope narrative around zywoo, when s1mple literally proved he was able to carry even the worst teams he's played in. That is not an opinion, that is a FACT. He did it, it's recorded and indisputable. S1mple has been in the same situation zywoo was this year and for a lot longer. Yet, none of you idiots were here making excuses for him. You were all hating on him as usual. But now zywoo is a little darling who doesn't deserve criticism, because he has a bad team? Get the fuck out of here.
2021-11-26 04:38
6 replies
+1. In 2018, there was no question he was the best, and yet you can see that Na'Vi only won two S-Tier tournaments(ESL One: Cologne and StarSeries & i-League CS:GO Season 5) so idk how he thinks his point is valid unless he's baiting
2021-11-26 06:27
1 reply
his team wasn't so off form in 2018, in 2019 they were awful and in 2019 s1mple didn't get top 1 and device got robbed off top 2 you can't tell me that a team that beat prime astralis in cologne wasn't in form lol
2021-11-26 11:49
cool, imagine writing a whole paragraph about it lol reported for insulting and swearing, enjoy your ban.
2021-11-26 11:49
2 replies
#328
B1T | 
Russia lo0u
Ah, you can't handle swear words, snowflake? Poor baby. Just don't cry, ok?
2021-11-26 18:28
1 reply
swearing and insulting on this forum is not allowed, i go by the rules :)
2021-11-26 19:56
+1
2021-11-27 10:08
LAst 2 years Zywoo number 1 even though navi was better than vitality in 2020
2021-11-25 23:03
3 replies
#122
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Indonesia lukerey
Nope. Vitality was better than Navi last year. Vitality dominate the scene for the last 6 months in 2020.
2021-11-25 23:39
2 replies
#395
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United States Rayduh
Vitality was literally only good for like 1/3 of the year
2021-11-29 12:46
Yeah untill ZywOo came to the tier 1 scene. Then s1mple couldn't do it however ZywOo did it twice with s1mple at the tier 1 scene
2021-11-26 10:51
simple has been in the same scenario zywoo is in now (and for a lot longer) - his stats havent wavered its absurd to think that simples stats are boosted by his teammates performances outside of outliers like their 16-3 against gambit (mirage, pgl major quarters) or 16-4 against big (dust 2, blast fall finals quarters) vitality was a complete team for a short time when misuta found form and rpk was still on the team. both of these players have been in scenarios with their teams performing/not. no real speculation to have here imo
2021-11-25 20:47
1 reply
#197
B1T | 
Russia lo0u
+1 People here seem to have a memory of a cockroach and try to rewrite history all the damn time to fit their self made narratives.
2021-11-26 04:39
s1mple's had this lineup since April/May 2021. Let's consider his entire career from beginning till now. 1) Highest Rated Player in Tier1 CSGo history: hltv.org/stats/players?rankingFilter=Top.. 2) Highest Rated Player in CSGo history in Big Events: hltv.org/stats/players?matchType=BigEven.. 3) Highest Rated Player in CSGo history in Tier1 LANs: hltv.org/stats/players?matchType=Lan&ran.. 4) 2nd Highest Rated Player in CSGo history in MAJORs: hltv.org/stats/players?matchType=Majors&.. And ofc highest ever rating in one major, in CSGO history. 3x-4x more maps than ZywOo and still s1mple has a higher rating. Most people have weak memory and so don't remember that s1mple has been godlike his entire career. His mechanical skill is a bit weaker now, than in his prime. But the fact that s1mple has these stats even now, is insane.
2021-11-25 20:49
10 replies
+1 spread the truth to these kids
2021-11-25 20:58
he is 24. he's in his prime now..
2021-11-25 21:20
6 replies
As an overall player? Yeah, he is. His teamplay is so much better now. Not at all selfish anymore, doing so much for the team, even sacrificing himself for his team. Old toxic s1mple would never do that. Baiting is almost non-existent now. Also, his gamesense just keeps going up xD. But mechanically (aim, reaction speeds, accuracy, flick speeds, etc), 2018 s1mple > 2021 s1mple. You can just see it, if you actually saw 2018 s1mple.
2021-11-25 21:27
5 replies
"if you actually saw 2018 s1mple" read enough, yes i have, the only difference is that he has a team now and he can go for plays without losing the rounds, old s1mple would go for flashy plays and even tho he has 30 kills he'll lose a map because of it
2021-11-25 21:31
4 replies
nope, s1mple 2018 >>>>> s1mple 2021, he forced to play like this for his team to even be able to win shit, if you gonna play passive as device navi would lose every single game, like they did agaist lulquid 2018-2019, just remember those rounds where liquid hear awp shot at A and just run B and kill ez nubs like zues edward etc, damn that was so funny(navi fan lul) thats if s1mple doesnt make 2-3 entry kills navi is done and he was able to do so a lot thats why navi was at least decent back then
2021-11-25 21:37
3 replies
i must say it was funny, i miss those days
2021-11-25 21:38
#157
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Finland HARD4ENCE
Imo it's such an atrocity that NaVi wasted 2018-2019 s1mple with such shitters as Zeus and Edward. It's not like the region has ever lacked talent but they chose to stick with these oldfags...
2021-11-26 01:38
1 reply
to be fair navi did a great job managin cs go roster, every single org know that navi have money and have problems, thats why roumors said that HR wanted around 1kk for Angel or kinda 500k for flit and if it's true that niko bought for 500k just fucking retarded to ask such price for CIS players that isnt that popular beside CIS(and even there not that much) they took perfecto for not that much, and make navi junior where they find b1t
2021-11-26 06:42
nvm
2021-11-26 01:51
Dev1ce is mister major dude 123 maps and 1k round more insane :D BTW s1imple in 2018 was insane
2021-11-26 07:05
obviously yes. S1mple didnt have the PERFECT team in 2019 and 2020 and he was worse than zywoo who also didnt have a perfect team. Now navi is playing perfectly and people ofc start to say that s1mple is the true #1 like zywoo was never in contention lol. Zywoo IS the better player individually, the most unbiased argument you can give is the FPL winrate where zywoo is miles above any other player in the world and simple is far behind many many players. Its "just fpl", but it says a lot about... well, BEING INDIVIDUALLY BETTER. S1mple has more game knowledge and tier 1 experience, thats for sure, and that contributes to his performance, but zywoo is still better and has higher potential. In few months with astralis core he can become the true #1 again
2021-11-25 20:51
26 replies
s1mple 2020 > zywoo 2020, just robbed with more mvps for rmr events where s1mple cant participate, s1mple have a bit better stats, won biggest event and only lan and just robbed with rmr MVPS, yep 2019 zywoo > s1mple
2021-11-25 21:42
14 replies
-1 LMAO
2021-11-25 23:08
Zywoo better impact, better rating in big events elite playoffs, more clutch opening pistol adr kast etc... but nt
2021-11-25 23:29
9 replies
playoff rating when you barely play playoff nice, there was 8 elite/big events that year, 2 seasons of EPL 2 seasons of blast, IEM global finals IEM katowice, blast lan regular season and ESL Cologne Zywoo make it to playoff only in 3 out 8 events(2 blast season and cologne), ofc in 3 events you could have better playoff rating then s1mple in 7 events, maybe u just attend 1 event make 1.4 rating and just retire with hltv top-1?
2021-11-26 06:39
8 replies
Wtf ?? Zywoo went to way more playoffs than navi and s1mple this year and vitaliy went to 7 fucking finals when navi only 2 ahahah, also tons of semis and way more playoffs
2021-11-26 15:52
7 replies
elite events 8 best events of the year, and zywoo only 3 times passed group stage
2021-11-26 16:47
6 replies
i invit you to check out vitality events page, vitality and zywoo went to way way more playoffs than smple and navi and way way more finals
2021-11-26 16:48
5 replies
i give you 8 best events of the year where s1mple got 7 playoffs and zywoo only 3, you just name events on your own, navi was better team in 2020 even hltv said that
2021-11-26 16:50
4 replies
you are fking retarded : vitality 2020 : hltv.org/stats/teams/events/9565/vitalit.. 14 playoffs, 8 finals, 2wins navi 2020 : 12 playoffs, 3 finals, 1 wins : hltv.org/stats/teams/events/4608/natus-v..
2021-11-26 17:03
3 replies
you give me a link to 16 events of vitality, they didnt get to playoff in IEM global, both EPL seasons, blast first event(where they got spanked by s1mple that why they played blast showdown agaist tier-4 dogshit teams didnt count that event) and katowice and you saying vitality got to 14 playoff even thou only 11 out of this 16 events vitality got to playoff(and 8 out that 11 are tier2-tier-3 dogshit events) like eu rmr blast showdown dh open etc
2021-11-26 17:16
2 replies
put off blash showdown and thats still 13 playoffs and 10 of them are at least S tier with all the best teams in the worlds, astralis , naviu etc... you re completely retarded and clueless
2021-11-26 17:26
1 reply
NAME A FACKING 13 playoff you link me 16 events page where i said 5 of them isnt playoff and 1 retarded event where you can attend only if you lose previuos event, so it only 10 playoff and 7 of them isnt elite
2021-11-26 17:41
#189
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Indonesia FinZzz
Nope 2020 zywoo was objectively better
2021-11-26 03:50
2 replies
only in dreams, i dont get how guy that maneged to get to playoff only in 3 out 8 elite events took first place with same stats as gut that make it 7 out 8 playoffs, hltv think farming group stage rating is the same, ok then
2021-11-26 06:44
1 reply
Hltv think farming rmr mvps also helps the case of that fat frenchie while s1mple didn’t even get a chance for mvps in his rmr.
2021-11-26 14:11
how can you judge how good a player is compared to another by using FPL winrates LMFAO
2021-11-26 06:32
10 replies
well if 1 player is miles above anyone else in fpl, then its quite a big tell. And also its in line with what the smarter csgo fans can observe - that zywoo usually does whatever it takes to win the given round whereas simple plays the percentages and simply gets the kills he is supposed to get while being extremely skilled but also being setup for success in the whole navi gameplan
2021-11-26 06:51
9 replies
Huge amount of cap. Keep coping, onlinewh0 fangirls are so in denial lmao
2021-11-26 14:12
8 replies
Imagine calling zywoo an onliner, typical ruski brain
2021-11-26 15:15
7 replies
The only pro that got a top1 in online era. How many LANs did he win in 2020 ? Fully online top1, gtfo estonian sorry ass
2021-11-26 15:59
6 replies
#315
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Indonesia FinZzz
Damn you sound hurt as hell
2021-11-26 17:45
3 replies
Damn you sound like you ran out of arguments when you started dickriding onlinewh0
2021-11-27 09:51
2 replies
#355
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Indonesia FinZzz
There there...dont cry little s1 fanboy
2021-11-27 12:26
1 reply
Says the delusional onlinewh0 fangirl crying here
2021-11-27 18:17
you seem to forget that he was the best and top1 also at lans and he won top 1 player of 2019 playing multiple lans xd who is coping, mr ruskibrain
2021-11-26 17:56
1 reply
You seem to forget we were talking about 2020 ? Anyway, he won zero t1 LANs in 2019. He and his fanboys should stick to wanking off his FPL winrate and getting his stats up while baiting misuta and kyojin
2021-11-27 09:51
He'd have the best ratings we've ever seen
2021-11-25 20:58
Of course, he done it in 2019 and 2020, part of his growth was that he was playing with 3-4 veteran players. If you are just talking stats, if he gets 4 veteran players who can give him experience/ tell him what to do in certain situations definitely he will get the stats.
2021-11-25 20:58
k0nfig > Zyw0o
2021-11-25 20:58
zywoo has so good stats cuz 4 bad teammates(they cant kill so he just steals their frags) its most ez way to farm stats if u have 4 good teammates(only astralis 2018) then its ez too but more difficult than in previous example
2021-11-25 21:00
40 replies
no, its delusional. Ofc its easier to have good stats while winning easily. Its just a matter of playing the right positions and roles and in s1mples case navi is totally setup around him and his awp. S1mple never has to do anything hard, compare him with niko who is solo controlling whole parts of the map and entry fragging most of the rounds LOL. Stats are only part of the story
2021-11-25 21:05
38 replies
s1mple is entry fragger too +vitality is most 1 player team ever, just play for 1 player 99% matches
2021-11-25 21:13
37 replies
Man why do you keep talking about csgo, you re the most cringe user from all hltv
2021-11-25 23:28
7 replies
why?
2021-11-26 00:12
5 replies
i dont want to insult you because i am sure you re just still a kid
2021-11-26 00:22
4 replies
nt, i am 21 yo
2021-11-26 11:10
3 replies
Then its really sad
2021-11-26 15:54
2 replies
yes, cuz i am already old and objective
2021-11-26 15:56
1 reply
Yes you are sorry for bothering
2021-11-26 15:57
I don’t think any user can overtake you in terms of being generally dumb, cringe and delusional
2021-11-26 14:13
S1mple entryfragger xdd
2021-11-26 05:46
28 replies
27 replies
hltv.org/stats/players/openingkills?star.. Only 17% attempts on t side xdd
2021-11-26 13:29
26 replies
and zywoo 20% xdxdxd, much more xdxdxdxddd
2021-11-26 13:36
25 replies
3% is big difference, but i'm sure u are gold nova 3 in CS so I understand your lack of knowledge about this game
2021-11-26 13:44
24 replies
and s1mple has much better success, 7%
2021-11-26 13:46
23 replies
And ? That means he is entryfragger? go outside kid
2021-11-26 13:48
22 replies
lmao yes, check stats
2021-11-26 13:55
21 replies
Haha, typical s1mple fans without any knowledge about game
2021-11-26 13:58
20 replies
ahhahha then how u know who is entry?
2021-11-26 14:00
19 replies
By watching matches ? Dont tell me that u are not watching navi games xd
2021-11-26 14:03
18 replies
i watch every their games, and s1mple is one of the best entry
2021-11-26 14:21
17 replies
You are wrong kid, but i will tell u Now the 1st entry is boomich 2nd is electronic 3rd bit and then u have s1mple
2021-11-26 14:26
16 replies
hahaha, boombla entry XD, nt
2021-11-26 14:36
15 replies
So how he has 27% attempts? But i show youhttps://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/.. liquipedia.net/counterstrike/Boomb check roles of every single navi player
2021-11-26 14:40
14 replies
u know everyone can edit it?
2021-11-26 14:50
13 replies
Yes, but sometimes i'm watching navi games and i see attempts and boomich has 27% electronic around 24% bit 21% s1mple 17% and perfecto 13%, u should start watch navi matches, because after what are u saying i'm sure u are not watching them
2021-11-26 14:55
12 replies
and now check rating and success in this entry stats
2021-11-26 15:09
11 replies
Kid you only show your lack of knowledge about the game, rating and success that's not what makes you entryfragger
2021-11-26 15:13
10 replies
yeah ofc, if someplayer just goes first and dies, he is entry, yes!
2021-11-26 15:18
9 replies
Attempts means u are going first not raiting and succes, you have a lot to learn
2021-11-26 15:20
8 replies
yes lol, but attempt doesnt mean u r entry, u can be low hp everyround and go first->die->your teammates trade you, so u r entry?
2021-11-26 15:27
7 replies
I feel bad for you, you are stupid and you have live with it, it has to be painful for you
2021-11-26 15:29
6 replies
ahhhah, 0 arguments, nice dude, now go watch zywoo games and say he is good player
2021-11-26 15:31
5 replies
How old are you ? Because i'm start thinking u are 12 yo with s1mple avatar on steam and i gave u like 7 arguments but u still dont understand
2021-11-26 15:34
4 replies
i am 21 yo, where are your arguments? u say attempts mean entry, but its not
2021-11-26 15:57
3 replies
remind me of your arguments that s1mple is entryfragger
2021-11-26 16:32
2 replies
entry rating and success
2021-11-26 16:35
1 reply
delusions are a disease, you should treat it
2021-11-26 16:38
#190
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Indonesia FinZzz
Copium
2021-11-26 03:51
idk and i dont care
2021-11-25 21:00
he is better, just impossible to win every entry duel and clutch. much easier to bait and awp abuse like s0mple
2021-11-25 21:03
20 replies
#198
B1T | 
Russia lo0u
You're a fucking retard.
2021-11-26 04:43
19 replies
everything checks out
2021-11-26 06:59
18 replies
#329
B1T | 
Russia lo0u
Your brain checked out of your skull before typing that shit comment.
2021-11-26 18:29
17 replies
so mad that zywoo is a bit better than your favorite player
2021-11-26 20:57
16 replies
#332
B1T | 
Russia lo0u
No matter how much nonsense you write or speak. None of that will change reality. Either deal with it, or stay mad.
2021-11-26 21:18
15 replies
>stay mad hahahahha go kiss s1mple in the fanny
2021-11-26 21:19
14 replies
#334
B1T | 
Russia lo0u
Says the idiot with zywOo cock so far up in his ass, he can't even see reality anymore.
2021-11-26 21:21
13 replies
every1 agrees zywoo smarter player, s1mple better raw mechanics saying otherwise is pure delusion or low iq
2021-11-26 21:21
12 replies
#336
B1T | 
Russia lo0u
Yeah yeah. Keep living in your little fantasy world.
2021-11-26 21:23
11 replies
hahahaha is it delusion or low iq?
2021-11-26 21:23
10 replies
#338
B1T | 
Russia lo0u
Are you talking to yourself now?
2021-11-26 21:23
9 replies
cringe
2021-11-26 21:24
8 replies
7 replies
6 replies
#342
B1T | 
Russia lo0u
It's 2021 and s1mple is still performing at top level, after years of t1 cs and will receive his second top 1 award. He could stop playing right now and he would still get it. S1mple is the greatest player of all time, whether you like it or not. THAT is what is wildly agreed upon by pretty much every single analyst and figure heads, including players. Your opinion is irrelevant.
2021-11-26 21:31
5 replies
first two years in t1 = zywoo top 1 third year = top 2, only beaten by s1mple first two years = same amount of mvps as s1mple in 6 years just wait, rn s1mple is only considered better because he's been in the scene longer :)
2021-11-26 21:33
4 replies
#344
B1T | 
Russia lo0u
Sure. We'll wait and see. That's the thing here. S1mple is already proven. Btw, we have never seen any pro maintain this high level of play for longer than 2-3 years. S1mple is the only that did it. So yeah, ZywOo has a long road ahead of him
2021-11-26 21:38
1 reply
top 1 x2 and top 2 third year is not proven? and not maintaining high level of play for 3 years? and u expect him to fall off in the 4th year? cmon bruh, you legit sound delusional now lmao but yeah we'll see
2021-11-26 21:44
Lmao, what a shit comparison. Same amount of mvps as s1mple as well as the most amount of mvps won while also taking an L at a tournament. Fatty will fall off. Everybody knows that. He should be grateful device didn’t win a top1 in 2019 and for his favorable online conditions for his 2020 top1, fat streamsniper 😂. Won zero t1 LANs Literally will fall off. Cold had a better entrance to t1 scene lmao Cope harder, delusional basement dwelling sorry ass
2021-11-27 09:55
1 reply
0/8
2021-11-27 10:00
I don't get how you can say somebody is better in anything btw. This is my take, but everyone is good or better in one thing other than someone. There could be player with better aim better gamesense better tactical understanding better tactical manouverability better reflex So basically in opinion there's no way to say the player is overall better unless its visible, in s1mple and zywoo case gap is quite weirdly low we don't know what but there certain categories one is better than the other.
2021-11-25 21:08
2 replies
zywoo better gamesense and tactical and s1mple better aim and reflex
2021-11-25 21:24
1 reply
s1 better gamesense, better teamplayer, better aim, better reflex, literally better at everything
2021-11-26 16:00
s1mple better for some stuff, zywoo better on some others , they could play in same team and let zywoo riffle
2021-11-25 21:19
3 replies
maybe in valorant one day
2021-11-25 21:21
1 reply
#251
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Turkey waveila
maybe lol
2021-11-26 13:37
Zywoo aim is more consistent, S1mple reads game better. S1mple also IGLing 60% time while Zywoo focusing on his game.
2021-11-25 21:32
His stats would be better but the team would do much worse. This is how s1mple was doing when he was the same age Zywoo is right now, but at this point in his career s1mple is a much more complete player.
2021-11-25 21:23
#71
catgirl | 
Europe r41
nope, Vitality dont perform good because zywoo only baits for rating
2021-11-25 21:26
His rating would be lower, look at s1mple, he really showing worse stats when B1t performing.
2021-11-25 21:29
2 replies
his stats became much better when electronic joined
2021-11-25 21:36
1 reply
And Zeus+Kane. Also he became main AWP when electronic joined.
2021-11-25 21:39
Zywoo is not good enough, like Thorin and other pros said, s1mple is way more talented than zywoo and can therefore perform everywhere...zywoo can't, he needs the team to play for him.
2021-11-25 21:33
4 replies
Keep baiting on hltv
2021-11-25 23:26
2 replies
keep being mad at a hard FACT
2021-11-25 23:30
1 reply
Keep using a fakeFlag to make people think you re not a delusional ukrainien mad kid fanboy
2021-11-25 23:31
#191
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Indonesia FinZzz
"Thorin" KEKW
2021-11-26 03:53
zywoo is 3 YEARS YOUNGER than s1mple, and he has already won #1 two times. My goat.
2021-11-25 21:39
4 replies
#200
B1T | 
Russia lo0u
You can't be a goat in your first two years of your career. That is retarded and you don't see that shit in any other sports. Goats do it for a long period of time. It took 10 years for people to even start considering Michael Jordan the Goat. Nobody was saying that early in his career. Only in esports, you have autistic assholes saying that type of shit o the internet. The fact s1mple has been playing at this high level for so many years, like nobody else in history is a lot more impressive than zywoo's peak that is already going down. And no, I don't give a damn he doesn't have a good team right now, because s1mple didn't have it either for a long time and that didn't stop you morons from hating and criticizing him for a long time.
2021-11-26 04:50
"goat" with no major lmfao
2021-11-26 10:27
2 replies
#273
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Australia g00sey
to be fair s1mple was widely considered a GOAT before stockholm s1mple > zywoo though
2021-11-26 14:59
1 reply
yeah I know it man just revenge on people who said the same back when s1mple didn't have major xD
2021-11-26 15:04
It's not like there's even a huge gap, fans overexaggarating everything, this year Simple is ahead tho of course
2021-11-25 21:44
Zywoo and s1mple had same rating in 2019 when Vitality was much better than Navi
2021-11-25 21:45
6 replies
Same rating xD go check the stats zywoo 2019 >> s1mple 2019
2021-11-25 23:26
5 replies
No, the rating against top 20 on LAN was the same
2021-11-26 09:09
3 replies
Keep taking the only filter when thats it, on all the others zywoo is ahead but nt
2021-11-26 15:53
2 replies
This is the Filter for hltv top20 if you didn't know
2021-11-26 16:17
1 reply
absolutely not ahahah this is a ranking of the 20 best player of the year not a top20 filter hltv retard, they use every filter in their ranking and have their own filter with elite events as well
2021-11-26 16:27
for me s1mple easily best player itw. i had enough people are making "teammates" as an excuse when it comes to their favourite player. if u are gonna make this about having better/worse teammates then accept the fact s1mple had the same problem in 2019 or be a man and suck it up.
2021-11-25 21:49
7 replies
Yeah, he had the same problem in 2019 as ZywOo in 2021 and was way worse than ZywOo in 2021.
2021-11-25 23:08
6 replies
not a chance. even though 2019 s1mple was rifling under guardian s1mple 2019>zywoo 2021. 2019 was a lan year btw. zywoo doesnt have mvp this year. 2021 vitality would beat the shit out of 2019 or 2020 navi. u can say your opinion but atleast dont say he was way worse or something
2021-11-25 23:24
5 replies
AHAHAHHAHAHAH AHAHAHHA "2021 vitality would shit out navi 2020" xD , Vitality 2020 is a top3 team, vitality 2021 is not even top10 overall this year, probably will end up top13/15
2021-11-25 23:25
4 replies
i know this year vitality accomplished literally nothing but for me they are strong as hell. 2020 navi was like 2017 gambit who won major they dominated at katowice and they were lost rest of the year XD when it comes to vitality the only weakness is kyojin. im changing the subject but u guys are doing wrong with getting dupreeh and magisk on the team. if u have a player like zywoo u shouldnt make things uncomfortable for him. just get 1 french guy to replace him and thats it. i think english bareer will be issue and for what? dupreeh and magisk not like they are used to be. i still have hope for magisk but dupreeh looking like a big question mark
2021-11-25 23:51
3 replies
actually dupreeh = shox but magisk >>>> kyojin, an i am sure than zonic can make zywoo even better bu giving him new things
2021-11-25 23:54
2 replies
yeah i agree in a good team magisk can be top 5 rifler u cant even compare them but like u said dupreeh is not better than shox. thats my point if they were both better i would understand the language thing but they arent. zywoo is getting better at english and interviewing lately but he said himself he needs more practices. i cant imagine dupreeh and zywoo or apex and magisk in the same team. one of them is rap god the other is shy guy. one of them is emotional igl and the other one is little bit toxic that makes 2 emotional guys in one team. if things gets complicated in the round i dont know how they will handle it. maybe im mistaken but i think they will waste zywoos another year
2021-11-26 00:10
dupreeh > shox both rn and all time but lets see what the future holds for us. new vitality will be fun to watch!
2021-11-26 01:41
#101
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Belarus Khosrau
This was the same thing s1mple fanboys said last year and now zywoo fanboys who were saying "delusional" are saying it....grow the fuck up
2021-11-25 23:07
1 reply
S1mple and Zywoo both had equally shitty team last year lmfao
2021-11-25 23:30
they have completely different playstyles and its not really possible to compare their skill in the game because of that.
2021-11-25 23:09
zywoo really not good enough to pull these kind of carry.
2021-11-25 23:30
#125
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Indonesia lukerey
Stop with this bullshit already. Can u just appreciate that both guys are doing great on the scene right now? It's so much fun than just watching astralis winning everything. xD
2021-11-25 23:41
s1mple had insane numbers no matter if his team was shit, or performing well. that's why they are prodigies of this cuz they can carry the game on their own when the team struggles, what you can't say about guys like device.
2021-11-25 23:44
#130
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Palestine __rQ__
I really wonder have the people who think zywoo is better than s1mple watched s1mple play? This dude IS NOT getting his stats cause of NaVi per se. He would be as good in almost any team. Just watch how he plays, he often has the worst gun and when he has the awp he is so good with positioning and hitting his shots that he does not need almost any support. He is literally all over the map, u see him get a kill on b then suddenly in 10 seconds he gets another kill at long, just like today vs heroic. It's just masterful to watch and zywoo is in no way better than s1mple, it's not even a matter of opinions anymore.
2021-11-25 23:47
#131
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Netherlands Venicious
I think thats a very good take on the discussion, but I guess well never know. I would give Simple a slight edge since hes been absolutely insane and its like he always has a perfect read on the game.
2021-11-25 23:50
absolutely. this vitality team is horrific, literally no other player is consistently above 1.05 rating. zywoo entries up banana with the galil, it's simple with zeus and edward all over again.
2021-11-26 01:18
4 replies
but s1mple in 2018 with zeus and edward had way way better stats
2021-11-26 06:48
3 replies
That team was way better - electronic was a solid top 10 player. This team looks like the navi with seized after guardian left. There’s just no fragging power outside of zywoo.
2021-11-26 06:57
1 reply
electronic was top-5 player, but besides that flamie=shox and edward and zeus 2 bots that 2x times worse then any vitality player
2021-11-26 16:48
Way way better stats? Zywoo's got 1.46 rating on the last 3 months against top 20 on LAN.
2021-11-27 13:48
if zywoo had a team like s1mple, he's probably be better than s1mple and navi
2021-11-26 01:51
#170
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
Oh well, if there only was a top tier team on the brink of beating NaVi and getting a bunch of tittles who are in serious need of an Awper. OH WELL.
2021-11-26 01:51
Its stupid to compare them now, wait till they end thier careers then compare them and see who was better for now let them play end enjoy.
2021-11-26 02:08
#192
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Indonesia FinZzz
If Zywoo is Ukranian and plays with Navi he would be performing better than S1mple is atm 100%
2021-11-26 03:56
3 replies
Based on what ? Your wet dreams ?
2021-11-27 09:56
2 replies
#354
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Indonesia FinZzz
Based on eye test, style of play, and consistency
2021-11-27 12:25
1 reply
Yep, your wet dreams and delusions
2021-11-27 18:16
So much delusional... Zywho in cis team? His playstyle wouldn't work at all. Better team? S1mple worked hard to build that team. Zywho didn't care about his team so it is his fail when his team don't become better. Charakter is also sth that decide how good you are And fact is S1mple 2018 was the best year of a player in history and can be beaten by S1mple 2021.. Zywho had 2 years to beat S1mple 2018 and he failed
2021-11-26 04:51
#203
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Korea ramza72
Another day another comparison LUL
2021-11-26 05:07
lets see next year we will have a proof of that after rostermania
2021-11-26 06:11
I see your point but I doubt it’s way too easy to get good stats in a team like this Navi where everyone delivers. Plus as you mentioned, his stats were as high no matter what Navi roster was. Now they are dominant but there mere times when simple has to hard carry them. The man is obviously not dependent on the teammates in terms of personal stats this is why he is far ahead than anyone else now. Besides, I can’t wait to see which place ZyWoo will have this year. This will tell us a lot about these two. Simple with “mediocre” teammates managed to get #2 let’s see what ZyWoo can do
2021-11-26 09:29
S1mple 2018: best player cuz his team is awful S1mple 2021: best player cuz his team performing well
2021-11-26 09:51
The question is very controversial! If you have a better team, then you get fewer kills! If a player's level is very high, it's easier for him to get good stats with the worst teammates!
2021-11-26 10:16
no i don't think so. I think s1mple have proven his skill for years with a bad team until recently. a true goat is what s1mple is in my eyes
2021-11-26 10:23
I think they would be very close. S1mple could be slightly better and ZwOo could be slightly better. Who knows
2021-11-26 10:27
doesn't matter who s1mple plays with he always gets his great stats ZyWoo needs a solid veteran team around him to perform
2021-11-26 10:36
4 replies
Flair checks out 100% You are saying Zywoo has had a solid veteran team since he started playing cs, basically
2021-11-26 11:14
2 replies
I was stating obvious facts
2021-11-26 11:34
1 reply
veteran are trash in all teams , all are washed up
2021-11-26 13:39
"ZyWoo needs a solid veteran team around him to perform" Proof?
2021-11-26 14:00
#240
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North America go1x1n00b
s1mple has a much better team than zywoo.
2021-11-26 11:08
1 reply
and he himself is better than zywoo
2021-11-26 11:35
obviouslly zywoo > s1mple ppl just like to overhype s1mp
2021-11-26 14:12
yeah why not?
2021-11-26 15:52
the better ur team the better ur ratings gonna be and thats a fact. the same reason astralis had 5 players in the top 20 in 2018. deep tournament runs=higher chance at mvps/evps which boost ur overall rating. it does make quite the difference in the end who you play with but the "what ifs" dont rlly matter. s1mple top player in the world w the best team
2021-11-26 16:04
s1mple is ahead of ZywOo this year (in rating) because of Na'Vi godlike form ZywOo is still the better player
2021-11-26 16:36
s1mple duobters in 2018: its easier to have higher stats with teammates that dont frag alot (edward and zeus) s1mple duobters in 2021: its easier to have higher stats on a dominant team where everyone is contributing
2021-11-26 17:25
2 replies
+11111111111111111111111
2021-11-26 17:49
+1111 they bring all the posible pathetic excuses to downplay s1mple. Especially these zywho fanboys. If their excuses don't work, they will resort to the classic astralis/device would rekt him LOL
2021-11-28 11:26
They are just too good, we can't juge them at our lvl
2021-11-26 17:59
1 reply
True, but stats makes dumb people think they can use numbers to judge between the 2 best players, when they don't understand shit about this game.
2021-11-26 18:10
0/8 s0mp1e with 1major
2021-11-26 18:03
They're both gods so they can both put up huge numbers in a good team. They can both carry a team singlehandedly too, but harder to win trophies that way.
2021-11-26 18:06
if you look solely at the stats yes his stats will be better if his team is performing, but i think looking at how both plays s1mple is just better
2021-11-26 18:19
zywoo
2021-11-27 10:18
Yes. He was unbeatable in FPL even with randoms and he barely even speaked/understood english. Just the prodigy
2021-11-27 12:32
7 replies
ZywOo won 4 FPL seasons. Lobanjica won 5 FPL seasons, just saying. FPL doesn't prove anything, because pros play it for different reasons. s1mple plays it *after* team practice is over, for relaxation. He doesn't play it for practice - he and his coach themselves said it. ZywOo doesn't do DM or aim_botz, he goes to Faceit/FPL directly for practice - ZywOo himself said it. Niko said FPL is overrated and he only plays it when he's bored, etc.
2021-11-27 12:40
6 replies
Loba is tryharding FPL everymonth since 3-4 years zywoo played FPL seriously for less than one year, and stopped after joining vitality zywoo still has the best stats of all time out of all fpl players
2021-11-27 12:45
5 replies
ZywOo has 1/5 as many maps as other pros. It's easier to have good stats when you only play for a short while, that too when you are at your prime. If someone played 50 maps, got 1.50 average rating, and then stopped playing, he would have the best stats ever. If ZywOo can keep these stats after playing thousands of Faceit matches throughout his career, we'll talk then. And the point stands - Faceit is meaningless when it comes to pro-CS. Almost every top pro has said it, when asked about it. Gla1ve, device, Niko, Get_Right, dupreeh, s1mple, kennyS, JW, Ropz, Olofmeister, etc, all said it on streams and interviews.
2021-11-27 13:11
4 replies
Actually, ZywOo had half of the amount of games s1mple played in FPL last time I checked, and s1mple plays FPL quite a lot. So I don't know where you got the 1/5 number from. ZywOo has 800-900 games played in FPL, something like that.
2021-11-27 20:40
3 replies
I didn't say he had 1/5 as many maps as s1mple. Read again. My comment was generic, filled with general statements and examples.
2021-11-27 20:47
2 replies
I can't think of any pro who has played 4.5k games in FPL, who did you have in mind?
2021-11-27 20:52
s1mple had 1k4 fpl zywoo has 800/900
2021-11-27 22:01
It's fact that it's easier to get a higher rating with a more consistent team. As you said, it's a team game. Whether that means ZywOo would actually HAVE a better rating is a different discussion, because better teammates also means less stat farming. But there are so many factors it's impossible to tell.
2021-11-27 12:35
2 replies
+1 Pros of good team - Your DPR does down and your KAST goes up. You have more gun rounds and less ecos. Cons of good team - Your KPR goes down and your ADR goes down. Impact Rating can go down too, if your teammates get the entries, multi-kills, and clutches, instead of you.
2021-11-27 12:43
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There is literally no discussion to be had about this. It's a fact that playing on a very dominant team naturally gives higher rating to the players on that team. While playing on a team that gets dominated makes it harder to get a good rating. Just look at Astralis most dominant major run, their AVERAGE rating was 1.23 of something insane like that I believe. Same with Na'Vi's major run at PGL Stockholm. And just look at the matchpage of today, lowest rating in Na'Vi was Perfecto who had 1.12, second lowest Boombl4 at 1.26. It's just a fact.
2021-11-27 20:38
Things gonna turn around in 2022 with Magisk and Dupreeh I think, if they can make it work as a team, they gonna be deadly.
2021-11-27 12:48
s1mple was GOAT even with Zeus, flamie and seized. He was GOAT in Liquid as well. If you are GOAT, you can play in any team
2021-11-27 20:49
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ZywOo was better than s1mple in 2019 though. And in 2020 they were equal. 2018 was crazy from s1mple though.
2021-11-29 01:30
Life is a process, so is CSGO. I prefer when superstars have to struggle, face defeat, carry their team, be ridiculed even.. before reaching glory. It builds-up for a better more enriching and wholesome storyline. Zywoo started his pro career at a better level than s1mple did. But he is going through the struggles s1mple faced the prior 3 years to 2021. It's a learning curve that will make him a better overall player, just like it did with s1mple. When s1mple starts declining or retires, Zywoo will probably start piling-up trophies. It's great for both narratives and storylines. Meanwhile let's enjoy both, although haters gonna hate.
2021-11-29 12:40
A team game to be thought of as a "team game"? No way Jorgé?
2021-11-29 12:46
He already has almost the same rating than simple in a trash team. I guess this answer your question? Oh and the main point nobody is talking about: Dominant team = less eco round. Eco round are literally driving rating to the bottom, and I can assure you that zywoo got way way way more eco round than simple in 2021...
2021-11-29 12:52
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