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Zywoo VS Sh1Ro TOP2
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France HoxjE 
vs Top 20 : zywoo : 1.29 rating / 1.35 impact / 84 ADR : hltv.org/stats/players/11893/zywoo?start.. Sh1ro : 1.23 rating / 1.15 impact / an "okay adr" of 75 : hltv.org/stats/players/16920/sh1ro?start.. Vs top 10 : Zywoo : 1.28 rating / 1.34 impact / 83 ADR : hltv.org/stats/players/11893/zywoo?start.. sH1ro : 1.19 rating / 1.09 impact / " close to poor adr" 73 xD : hltv.org/stats/players/16920/sh1ro?start.. Some people really believe this 1.09 impact guy and poor adr stat guy not even third from his own team can compete for TOP2 AHAHA; Even NAFANY Top 30 player Has a better Impact rating and better ADR : hltv.org/stats/players/16921/nafany?star.. let me laught about it for the all month
2021-11-25 23:12
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#1
Hobbit | 
North America Beecs
Zywoo easily Proof: S1mple vs. device vs. EliGE 2019
2021-11-25 23:12
5 replies
#3
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France HoxjE
sh1ro 4th player based impact from his own team, wow
2021-11-25 23:13
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#8
Hobbit | 
North America Beecs
sh1ro is a Jame type player, but even if we took his rating as face value, zywoo's is still too high and mvps/evps dont cover enough ground as we saw from the 2019 race
2021-11-25 23:14
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and zywoo will still have tons of EVPs
2021-11-25 23:16
2 replies
i still cant believe HLTV changed from giving s1mple #8 in 2017 even tho he was top 3 in stats with very little success, to #2 in 2019 even tho he accomplished basically just as little
2021-11-25 23:17
1 reply
they changed their way of ranking players, now individual performance matter the most, mvp are only used at the end to seperate close players
2021-11-25 23:20
#2
Hobbit | 
Pakistan sanos
first job is done, he already has playoff and evp in this tournament if zywoo gets into playoffs in iem winter and blast global finals he will be 100% top 2 a mvp would seal deal
2021-11-25 23:14
1 reply
Yeah, but just statwise if 2019 exist its already done
2021-11-25 23:30
#4
ropz | 
Estonia ZedarZ
+1 if sh1ro should be 2nd in 2021 then dev1ce should've also been 2nd in 2019
2021-11-25 23:13
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#6
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France HoxjE
dev1ce 2019 1.30 impact major mvp and winner >>> sh1ro 2021
2021-11-25 23:14
ZywOo obviously
2021-11-25 23:14
1 reply
#41
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United States Rayduh
I agree
2021-11-25 23:45
Xi Wu 0 MVP 0 achievments top4 best /nodiscuss /closed
2021-11-25 23:14
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#9
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France HoxjE
go to top10 teams of 2021 we are talking about individual performance, sh1ro not even third best from his team
2021-11-25 23:15
#15
ropz | 
Estonia ZedarZ
flag
2021-11-25 23:17
8 replies
So what?
2021-11-26 03:31
7 replies
#171
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Indonesia FinZzz
Russians hate zywoo cuz they are s1mple fanboys
2021-11-26 03:41
6 replies
we dont hate zywoo .we just prefer s1mple.and this year there is no way he is getting 2nd place. i'm happy for s1mple.dont just bait because you're a zywoo fanboy,
2021-11-26 13:18
5 replies
There is no doubt on this (if you speak about s1mple) but zywoo van still easily be top2
2021-11-26 13:32
1 reply
yes. he is still the second best player. just not very good team.i'm not some delusional guy who says zywoo is b0t.
2021-11-27 03:48
#195
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Indonesia FinZzz
Tell that to the russians who trashtalk Zywoo eventho he is a nice guy overall
2021-11-26 17:44
2 replies
there is flaws that you cant fix. not all of russians are zyw0o trashtalkers. just some of them are.that does not mean russia hate zyw0o.i personally like this rivalry.
2021-11-27 03:41
#205
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Yugoslavia KREDIT31
i see more s1mple haters than zywoo haters in cis tbh
2021-11-27 03:46
#42
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United States Rayduh
MVP is not an achievement award
2021-11-25 23:46
#67
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
At least get his name right, friend - Bait or no bait. EDIT: I forgot a word.
2021-11-26 00:06
5 replies
Xi Wu - The last hope of Chinese CS
2021-11-26 00:05
4 replies
#75
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
For those who don't know the joke, I can only imagine there is somebody out there wondering who on Earth the user is referring to. :D
2021-11-26 00:07
#80
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China HEIDASHUAi
True. Xi Wu to Tyloo when?
2021-11-26 00:26
2 replies
Xi Wu should fight Zhong Xina in the WWE
2021-11-26 00:27
1 reply
#93
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China HEIDASHUAi
Good idea !
2021-11-26 01:06
sh1ro top1, s1mple top2, i think. Zywoo probably top5 after ax1le/hobbit
2021-11-25 23:16
8 replies
sh1ro top1 over interz; top4 from his team and top15 hltv
2021-11-25 23:16
7 replies
he is top1 in his team easily with 1.35+ rating past 3 months. cry is free loser
2021-11-25 23:17
6 replies
even nafany has better impact rating than him in 2021, cry is free kido russian
2021-11-25 23:18
4 replies
Sh1ro 3 mvps zywho 0,case closed.
2021-11-26 17:45
3 replies
dev1ce 2019 3 mvp and major mvp/1.30 impact dev1ce top2 /close
2021-11-26 17:54
s1mple 1major ,1 grandslam,1major mvp and several mvps , several tournaments including the two lan that was held. do i need to say more?
2021-11-27 04:17
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This thread is about sh1ro and the French pig man,ofc s1mple is 1 there is no debate.
2021-11-27 10:25
#20
ropz | 
Estonia ZedarZ
top1 in baiting and saving every 3v3, 2v2 etc, sh1ro only high rating because of stat padding
2021-11-25 23:18
ZywOo > s0mple
2021-11-25 23:16
2 replies
O.o jermans...
2021-11-26 00:36
what are you saying? he is on the top 3 of his team lmao, even tho nafany is close
2021-11-25 23:16
1 reply
Yes ?
2021-11-25 23:30
they are awp players, adr is irrelevant
2021-11-25 23:18
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of course thats why s1mple and zywoo are both 85 + and sh1ro is the only one at 75-
2021-11-25 23:19
#21
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Poland brochu
zywoo is obv top 2 its not going to change
2021-11-25 23:18
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#44
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United States Rayduh
If sh1ro top 2 then it would be a robbery
2021-11-25 23:46
#24
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France iatis
Gambit had a really good year. Sh1ro helped a lot. So if he gets number 2 it's OK.
2021-11-25 23:20
2 replies
he helped them at being 4th impactful player, even his igl has more impact
2021-11-25 23:21
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Idk man Not saying shiro even close to zywoo. But i feel like the impact rating doesnt show his real contribution. He did get the mvps smh. There should be an explanation.
2021-11-26 00:38
#25
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Sweden kAED
Shiro will get #2 for sure
2021-11-25 23:20
4 replies
not even 4th, hobbit and ax1le over him
2021-11-25 23:21
3 replies
hobbit & niko over him, ax1le really dropped off when online stopped
2021-11-25 23:31
Ax1le? You misspelled nafany.
2021-11-25 23:34
1 reply
maybe
2021-11-26 16:34
but sh1ro has like 3 MVPs this year, don't think zywoo has any...
2021-11-25 23:31
7 replies
Zywoo had like 7 EVPs and doesnt matter since mvp are used when players are close in rating, dev1ce 2019 had 3 way better LAN mvp with major mvp / winner and 1.30 impact, guess what ? He got top3
2021-11-25 23:32
5 replies
hmm interesting... did niko get EVP for the major tho? where can i see EVPs for any players?
2021-11-25 23:49
2 replies
of course Niko got it... he was even a contender for the MVP, the top 3 rating of the major are s1mple niko and zywoo, s1mple had the better team
2021-11-25 23:50
1 reply
well thank god at least that
2021-11-25 23:52
zywoo only 2 EVP, probably 3 from major idk where 7 EVP came from, i might be wrong so plz link
2021-11-27 04:13
1 reply
2 evp xD
2021-11-27 14:50
#45
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United States Rayduh
Doesn’t matter, ZywOo much better ratings and stats and 7 EVPs
2021-11-25 23:47
zywoo easily the better player, in the astralis series at the end of the game he realises his team is throwing and just takes the awp and says ok i win now, shiro never does this he is just a good trade fragger with a lot of good team mates
2021-11-25 23:33
3 replies
Problem with sh1ro is that he eventually runs out of teammates to trade
2021-11-25 23:46
2 replies
that's when he saves
2021-11-25 23:48
1 reply
jame taught him well
2021-11-25 23:50
Shiro must be the biggest baiter of the scene right now Niko should be ahead him in the ranking
2021-11-25 23:34
4 replies
+1
2021-11-25 23:36
1 reply
shiro KPR 0.74 (same than hobbit kscerato) DPR 0.52 what a fucking statpadder
2021-11-25 23:37
true, but it won't happen cuz weird hltv rankings D:
2021-11-25 23:49
biggest prospect*
2021-11-26 01:50
baguettes just can't stop crying, lol. for whole year vitality did jack shit. maybe he can get 2nd place if they get good placings at last two lan tournaments with zywoo having great performance. even with that I think shiro will be 2nd.
2021-11-25 23:41
13 replies
delusionnal belgium
2021-11-25 23:48
2 replies
cry is free baguette. get over it and deal with reality
2021-11-25 23:48
1 reply
ok cya in january fries
2021-11-25 23:49
sh1ro doesnt even have the stat to be top3/4, he is the 31th most impactful player from HLTV, there is 31 players with more impact than him in the scene xD s1mple and zywoo are first 2 by far, and even by baiting he gets a way worse rating than zywoo and is not major mvp like dev1ce 2019 who got top3 with 1.30 impact
2021-11-25 23:49
8 replies
vitality didn't have deep runs, while gambit were pretty dominant in online era. you can't be top2 if you don't win shit. if they win last 2 tournament or make it to the finals maybe he can get 2nd place.
2021-11-25 23:51
5 replies
you are delusional doesnt even know how hltb ranking works, just look top20 2019 and come back later
2021-11-25 23:55
4 replies
the only delusional here are zywoo fangirls that can't accept the reality. time to wipe out the baguette tears and deal with the truth.
2021-11-26 00:00
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time to deal with the truth of stats, humans lies not numbers xd stay mad : hltv.org/forums/threads/2550801/zywoo-vs..
2021-11-26 00:02
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how am I mad? I'm not the one creating threads crying on the forum loooool. time to move on baguette.
2021-11-26 00:02
1 reply
i copy pasted basic stats showing an obvious thing and you took your time to come and answer it without arguments, why would you do that if you re not mad xd, good night my friend
2021-11-26 00:03
it's not just about impact, it's about rating and awards... and rating consists of everything, every possible aspect that hltv counts, kdr, impact, kpr, etc...
2021-11-25 23:51
1 reply
1.29 vs 1.23 here you go and 1.28 vs 1.19 vs top10
2021-11-25 23:55
#87
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Chile cap_
+1
2021-11-26 00:51
it would be sh1ro if he didn't suck at lan but alas
2021-11-25 23:41
#40
D0cC | 
Germany D3mon^
xi wu and its not even close
2021-11-25 23:45
1 reply
#46
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United States Rayduh
I hope so
2021-11-25 23:47
if hes the 3th or 4th rating in his team? why he have so many mvps? explain me this
2021-11-25 23:48
1 reply
because he is farming his kda on saves / post plant / eco, sh1ro has a better KDA than s1mple in 2021 do you realize ?? his only good stats and he suck everywhere else, 0 impact, 0 ADR etc
2021-11-25 23:51
#50
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Lithuania Zaikone
sh1ro pepega
2021-11-25 23:48
#52
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Indonesia lukerey
Yeah man, people need to stop bullshit around. We live in the world where either s1 or zywoo will be #1 or #2 for a long years. Others just not good enough.
2021-11-25 23:49
4 replies
except sh1ro is good enough
2021-11-26 01:49
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#180
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Indonesia lukerey
To be #3 or #4 yes. #2 ? Not this year.
2021-11-26 05:30
2 replies
true because he's good enough to be top 1
2021-11-26 11:01
1 reply
xd
2021-11-26 16:34
#63
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
It's definitely a tough call, realistically it could go either way.
2021-11-25 23:54
8 replies
tell me how 3 low tier mvp justify this HUGE gap in rating and the fact of giving the 31th impactful player of the scne the top2 statu, while 2019 dev1ce didnt get it with 1.30 impact and major mvp
2021-11-25 23:56
7 replies
#74
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
2019 is a completely different year to 2021, friend. s1mple at least had one MVP award in 2019 and it was this one: liquipedia.net/counterstrike/StarSeries_.. ZywOo doesn't have except for the fact his statistics are way better than sh1ro's, which is to obviously be expected given how ZywOo is still one of the best players in the world, he was number one for the last two years. If sh1ro gets to number 2 over ZywOo, it will be solely due to his three MVP's, as his statistics are better than average, just incomparable to one of the worlds best.
2021-11-26 00:05
6 replies
but mvp doesnt matter, sh1ro could have 3 more mvps wont change anything, and zywoo in 2021 will have 7+ EVPs, mvp would make the difference if sh1ro was close statisticly to zywoo
2021-11-26 00:07
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#77
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
I would imagine they definitely help, it's what helped ZywOo in 2020 to get the spot over s1mple in 2020. The point being only s1mple is ever going to be in competition with ZywOo in terms of statistics, I'm saying they aren't bad if you don't compare them to one of the worlds best. Those statistics combined with the MVP awards still opens up a possibility for sh1ro to get the number 2 spot, it isn't set in stone and it isn't factual. The year isn't even over yet, ZywOo could still get an MVP award by the end of the year and still perform like a god towards the end of the year. For the record, I sincerely hope ZywOo does get second place but I'm not going to treat my prediction as anything else but a prediction.
2021-11-26 00:11
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zywoo and s1mple stats in 2020 were the same, s1mple a bit better basic 0.01 basic stat, zywoo better rating in elite events playoffs and better impact etc... so when its that close mvp does matter ofc
2021-11-26 00:24
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s1mplle was robbed in 2020. NaVi played some cis tournament(cant remember the name) where they didnt gave out mvps or points...it had good tier 2 teams and tier 1 teams. Beacuse there was no mvp given for that tournament , whole thing didnt even make to a count for overall rating.
2021-11-26 00:45
2 replies
It did count for the overall rating + even with those mvp zywoo would still have had 2+ More than him so whats your point ?
2021-11-26 01:04
#92
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Even with that MVP, ZywOo would've had more and the statistics were neck and neck, either player was perfectly deserving of the placement. "Robbed" is not true at all, it could've gone either way and even if s1mple would have won, what then? Would others be claiming ZywOo was robbed? It's ineffable and unnecessarily negative.
2021-11-26 01:05
1. s1mple 2. zywoo and its not close
2021-11-26 00:03
1 reply
yep
2021-11-26 00:22
zywoo shouldn't even be top 3. Not good at big events.
2021-11-26 00:47
3 replies
Zywoo big events rating : 1.30 sh1ro : 1.23 nt encore magueule
2021-11-26 01:04
2 replies
zywoo: 43% eco frags at big events nt encore magueule.
2021-11-26 01:09
1 reply
oui oui bien sur, on devrait t'appeller monsieur stat toi
2021-11-26 02:41
sh1ro will be #2 and he deserves it.
2021-11-26 00:48
1 reply
+1
2021-11-26 01:49
Zywoo should be 2nd no doubt, but I wonder how much will HLTV value events that Gambit won this year. They were much better than Vitality this year.
2021-11-26 00:52
#95
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France Khmzbg
These hltv top 1 2 will be useless for at least 4-5 years it either will be Simple or Zywoo no one is close to their level except maybe Niko but he is a rifler so he can't statpad as much as them.
2021-11-26 01:07
9 replies
sh1ro is literally top 2 level?
2021-11-26 01:49
8 replies
#117
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France Khmzbg
Nope he isnt even Top 2 in his own team
2021-11-26 01:51
7 replies
true he's top 1 in his team and is well on his way to be top 1 in the world
2021-11-26 01:51
6 replies
#123
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France Khmzbg
Ok Shiro time to log out now go watch some animes
2021-11-26 01:55
5 replies
wihlst dominating zywoo who can't even win a tournament or mvp in 2021
2021-11-26 01:55
4 replies
#141
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France Khmzbg
The 2 times they played each other this year Gambit got 2-0ed both times Shiro 1.33 rating and 0.89 Zywoo 1.48 and 1.64 but ok!
2021-11-26 02:16
3 replies
where's zywoo's mvps and trophies then? because sh1ro won more trophies this year than zywoo in his career
2021-11-26 02:25
2 replies
#152
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France Khmzbg
Yep thats the only argument for shiro ''trophies'' good for them they dominated the online this year but once they had to step on stage they got absolutly shit on.
2021-11-26 02:35
1 reply
hltv.org/matches/2352510/gambit-vs-furia.. hltv.org/matches/2352513/gambit-vs-natus.. 1 bad match against navi and another match in front of crowd where he was just sliughtly behnid hobbit ye definately
2021-11-26 02:37
Zywoo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b0tr0 every day of the week the baiter has inflated stats because of low DPR ( deaths per round) in impact wise, zywoo is 10 miles ahead of him.
2021-11-26 01:08
6 replies
behind him*
2021-11-26 01:48
5 replies
the only player sh1ro is better than in his team is your flair
2021-11-26 16:28
4 replies
pretty sure all of the tier 1 scene is behind sh1ro except s1mple and MAYBE zywoo
2021-11-26 20:26
3 replies
Niko >>>> sh1ro
2021-11-26 21:41
2 replies
sh1ro is 20 miles ahead of ch0k0
2021-11-26 21:44
1 reply
Ahahahhahahahah
2021-11-26 22:16
even top 10 for sh1ro should be a stretch
2021-11-26 01:10
1 reply
flair checks out
2021-11-26 01:48
Top3 this year: s1mple zywoo niko topic closed
2021-11-26 01:10
2 replies
topic open s1mple sh1ro zywoo
2021-11-26 01:48
1 reply
nt
2021-11-26 16:28
It's gonna be clownish if sh1ro ends up ahead or Nikola or Zywoo
2021-11-26 01:14
#102
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Finland HARD4ENCE
Okey, I take it back what I previously said about sh1ro. ZywOo should probably be top 2 this year.
2021-11-26 01:25
19 replies
What did you say
2021-11-26 01:36
18 replies
#104
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Finland HARD4ENCE
That sh1ro would be top 2
2021-11-26 01:39
17 replies
But what has zywoo actually achieved this year? Nothing. Niko top 2.
2021-11-26 01:41
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#106
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Finland HARD4ENCE
Not much, but s1mple didn't achieve much either in 2019 and he was placed over device (who got a major MVP and a few other MVPs, I believe Astralis won 6 or 7 tournaments, NaVi only 1) just based on rating alone. Same logic should apply here.
2021-11-26 01:45
Niko same stat as hobb1t and hobb1t 2 mvp, hobb1t top3 and niko top4
2021-11-26 01:46
13 replies
But zywoo hasn't even made playoffs that often this year. This rating is just based on farming group stage games or that's how I feel. LANs weight more than online and major is the most valuable tournament of the year. Niko top 2.
2021-11-26 01:54
12 replies
Zywoo has a better elite events rating, 1.30 vs 1.23 for sh1ro and 1.19 for niko, and he has 7+ evps 7+ playoffs
2021-11-26 01:55
10 replies
And how many maps played?
2021-11-26 02:00
9 replies
more than s1mple 2019 vs top5 : hltv.org/stats/players/7998/s1mple?start..
2021-11-26 02:02
8 replies
I dont care about 2019. Are you still mad about it or what.
2021-11-26 02:08
7 replies
i am trying to find who will be top5 of 2021 so for that you need to look at how hltv used to rank in the past years ? pretty normal, zywoo already have more maps vs top5 than s1mple 2019 and will have the double by the end of the year
2021-11-26 02:10
6 replies
You can not really compare 2019 vs 2021 because the years have not been the same. 2019 there were 2 majors and a lot of LANs. 2021 there have been 1 major and just a few top tier LANs and Niko top 2. :)
2021-11-26 02:16
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2021-11-26 02:29
And i didnt ask how many maps zywoo has compared to 2019 simple. I wanted to know how many "elite tier" maps zywoo, shiro and niko have THIS year.
2021-11-26 02:19
3 replies
hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01.. here you have it, all the elite events are in this ranking
2021-11-26 02:29
1 reply
We are tzlking about elite tier events
2021-11-26 16:00
Niko will be lucky to be even top4 honestly
2021-11-26 01:56
niko top3, zywoo 2, sh1ro 4
2021-11-26 02:34
flag checks out check maps and MVPS
2021-11-26 01:48
6 replies
I have checked maps and seen 85 maps for dev1ce vs top5 in 2019 and only 25 for s1mple, 400% differential
2021-11-26 01:54
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2021-11-26 01:55
4 replies
3 replies
pretty sure it's top 20 not top 5
2021-11-26 02:01
2 replies
what is top 20 ?
2021-11-26 02:03
top 20 only means it is the ranking for the 20 best players, not that you should use top20 filter xd
2021-11-26 02:03
zywoo shouldn't even be top 5 this year
2021-11-26 01:50
It's not ZywOo vs Sh1ro, it's Sh1ro vs NiKo. ZywOo is under them.
2021-11-26 03:01
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No filter. Big events and LAN are more important than just any tournament, and the major is even more important. Plus, results against top 30/20/10/5 are each more important than just anyone. The higher you put the standard, the worse ZywOo performs. But sure, I'll take it. Top 1 is S1mple, and top 2 to 4 are NiKo, Sh1ro and ZywOo, we'll see in what order, each of them had been very good this year and it's quite close between them.
2021-11-26 13:10
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Are you retarded or something ? The filter i gave to you is the rating of big/ elite events only and the more you go to top10 top5 the worst sh1ro become, literally 1.09 impact rating and 1.19 rating ahahah , zywoo stays 1.29 and 1.34 impact even when you go to top10 and in the major he was eliminated by the same team as niko, navi that was by far the best team, made it to olayoofs and had the third best rating from this lan
2021-11-26 15:57
Its ok Dev1ce fan. I know you're upset because you lost Astralis
2021-11-26 03:19
1 reply
? wut
2021-11-26 03:38
You forgot maps 120 vs 176.
2021-11-26 03:44
3 replies
sh1ro farmed a lot of cis toornaments, elite events only : hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01.. very close in maps, and dev1ce got top3 in 2019 with 85 maps vs top5 while s1mple had 25 maps
2021-11-26 03:50
2 replies
Only games against top20 teams counts, zywoo farmed garbage teams in group stages whole year, and its shame for hltv to put someone without wins and mvps to top5 even if he farmed 1.50 rating.
2021-11-26 03:54
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You have the elite events rating just for you + zywoo will have 7+ EVPs and 7+ playoffs but nt
2021-11-26 05:02
Zywoo need 1 mvp + 1 win to be top2.
2021-11-26 03:49
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he already have 7+ EVPs and way way better stats, its over
2021-11-26 03:51
ZywOo should be locked in @ Top 2 unless achievements come into the picture
2021-11-26 04:26
2 replies
He has big chance on Blast.
2021-11-26 17:11
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yeah he should [atleast] make it to the final
2021-11-26 17:41
Zywoo is a better player overall, I think sh1ro is a better awper.. but Zywoo like s1mple compensates with game reading, positioning, talent and movement to be more lethal with big green in big games.
2021-11-26 13:38
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Sh1ro is just a jame bis, he will never have impact on his team like s1mple and zywoo
2021-11-26 15:59
Zywoo is better player and better AWPer but sh1ro deserved top2 rn.
2021-11-26 22:33
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Yugoslavia KREDIT31
why so mad?
2021-11-27 03:43
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