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my top 20 of 2021
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Bosnia and Herzegovina sLiPpeRy 
1. s1mple 2. SH1RO 3. NiKo 4. ZywOo 5. HObbit 6. electronic 7. Ax1Le 8. dev1ce 9. stavn 10. YEKINDAR 11. B1T 12. ropz 13. hampus 14. Jame 15. REZ 16. broky 17. cadiaN 18. frozen 19. refrezh 20. ELiGE
2021-11-26 03:05
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#1
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Bosnia and Herzegovina sLiPpeRy
i'll explain the list in a little bit, have some assignments to do :/
2021-11-26 03:05
kscerato???
2021-11-26 03:05
6 replies
around #23
2021-11-26 03:07
5 replies
no way auhsushu, he is top12
2021-11-26 03:09
4 replies
either he's barely in top 20 or hes not at all
2021-11-26 04:18
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top12 for sure bro
2021-11-26 15:46
I'd be surprised if he got top20 or top19. The dude hasn't done shit this year. 90% of the games are against t2/t3 NA teams. Imo he'd be top30
2021-12-01 08:34
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90%? just look the stats bro, vs top20 he is 8th in rating 2.0 and 4th in big events, shut up.
2021-12-01 16:46
Flag lol
2021-11-26 03:09
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#6
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Bosnia and Herzegovina sLiPpeRy
respect bosnia :(
2021-11-26 03:11
5 replies
No hate but NiKo 3 is not justified to me.
2021-11-26 03:15
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#23
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Canada DASJUDEN
Who is top 3 then? NiKo carried his entire team to a major final (only to get slapped yes) but it would be harder to justify him not being top 3 than the other way around.
2021-11-26 03:54
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guy there are more than 2 months in a year + g2 played utter trash pre major which kinda ruined him a bit
2021-11-26 09:08
2 replies
do you forgot their result before the player break? for example 2nd place in cologne and many 3-4th place
2021-11-26 09:17
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cologne was in what july and guess what that means theres 6 more months till the top 20 rankings are released but its simply true niko doesn't have a high enough rating to be top 3 in 2021 hltv.org/stats/players/3741/niko?startDa.. now id like you to tell me how a 1.19 rating can be top 3 while zywoo and sh1ro have better rating and sh1ro has more achievements + mvps
2021-11-26 11:35
refrezh? what is his stats? i see him always cheapest in fantasy with around 190k, while all other players here are above 210k
2021-11-26 03:13
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#10
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Bosnia and Herzegovina sLiPpeRy
hmm, who do you think'll replace refrezh then? TeSeS? I honestly don't know :P
2021-11-26 03:16
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twistzz, mir, hunter or kscerato all better
2021-11-26 03:24
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#14
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Bosnia and Herzegovina sLiPpeRy
wait i didn't put huNter- in?
2021-11-26 03:29
3 replies
Why you hate bosnian players?
2021-11-26 03:48
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#21
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Bosnia and Herzegovina sLiPpeRy
i am rascist against my own country men 😎😎😎
2021-11-26 03:50
1 reply
So stereotypical balkan hating own people the most. I like it.
2021-11-27 13:41
1,04 in 2021 hltv.org/stats/players/10610/refrezh?sta.. No way he will be in top20
2021-12-01 08:45
whole navi squad will be there
2021-11-26 03:15
2 replies
Nt
2021-11-26 03:25
Not a chance
2021-11-30 05:24
no kscerato and yuurih in top 20, for me kscerato is top 10 this year, and zywoo not top 2 is just a bad list
2021-11-26 03:20
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Do you realize that Kscerato has low map count compared to other players? Also, 3 lan events left: Blast fall, Iem Winter and Blast Global and Furia wont be participating in any of them, that means Kscerato will have even less map count. And I am sure the plan events will have more weight compared the the online events. Kscerato will be around top15 max not higher. He is not entering top 10
2021-11-26 03:45
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kscerato also is a top 5 players performance in matches against top 5 teams, u talked about lan and in iem cologne he had the 3rd highest rating for example. top 15 would be ok for him but im my opinion he is in the top 10 list and i think the players that were better than him this year already solodified their spot before, like s1mple, zywoo, sh1ro, niko, device, hobbit
2021-11-26 06:44
1 reply
Let's wait and see :)
2021-11-26 07:14
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#16
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Bosnia and Herzegovina sLiPpeRy
if zywoo gets into playoffs in iem winter and blast global finals he will be 100% top 2
2021-11-26 03:40
17 replies
elite events stats : hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01.. its already done, not even too much maps diff on elite events
2021-11-26 03:42
16 replies
0 mvps, 0 titles vs 3 MVPs, 6 titles
2021-11-26 04:27
15 replies
Who cares ? 2019 dev1ce 7/8 toornaments 3 mvp and major mvp / winner with 1.30 impact got top3
2021-11-26 05:03
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because s1mple still had an MVP and a title and still made a lot of big playoffs(both majors, cologne, malmo, epl, and epicenter) while zywoo had made like 3
2021-11-26 17:07
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3 ? nt they already have 7 playoffs and will get 8 with blast world final and maybe 9 with iEM, navi in 2019 got 10 playoffs only so thats kinda the same, go check the stats, and the one events navi won was a low tier event in shanghai wont change anything and the fact that s1mple only had 25 maps vs top5 in 2019 while dev1ce had 85, zywoo in 2021 will have the double of 25 vs top5
2021-11-26 17:16
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plz guide me where the playoff appearances are LMAO. no blast event counts as playoffs(2019 navi didnt have that advantage because there was no blast groups in 2019). after that kato no playoffs epl s13 no playoffs dh spring no playoffs flashpoint 3(not a playoff tournament, there is no group stage) semi at iem summer: 1 iem cologne no playoffs final at epl s14: 2 semi at iem fall: 3 quarter at major: 4 so at max they can reach 5 playoffs with iem winter
2021-11-26 17:19
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blast premier global final iem summer esl pro league 14 iem fall pgl major blast fall final iem winter blast world final thats 8 playoffs at the end of the year navi went to 7 playoffs in 2019 : hltv.org/stats/teams/events/4608/natus-v.. s1mple got 25 maps vs top5 in 2019 zywoo will have 40+ maps vs top5
2021-11-26 17:35
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like i said, blast finals are iffy because navi didnt have the ability to make them(there were no blast groups/blast seasons, it is much easier to make them the last 2 years since half the teams qual rather than just 4 in 2019) also navi made 8 playoffs(ice bet) also, we're ranking things rn, zywoo has yet to have that iem winter playoff appearance or 40+ maps vs top 5. my point is that rn, sh1ro is over zywoo, but zywoo could change that by the end of the year depending on his performance
2021-11-26 17:40
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ice bet challenge bro ? xD its not taking into the top20 ranking so thats 7 playoffs, and if you want to count it then there is also others toornaments navi played and vitality didnt, so at the end thats the same, navi ended up top8 of 2019 and vitality will most likely be in the top10 as well ( maybe 10/9/8). Zywoo already have at least 33 maps vs top5 and will surely get more and reach 40 with blst finals and iem winter. so navi 2019 most likely = vitality 2021 (playofss etc), zywoo more maps vs top5 and dev1ce 2019 > sh1ro 2021, way way better impact, sh1ro 4th of his team and major mvp / playoffs
2021-11-26 17:52
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ok even if navi 2019=vitality 2021, s1mple still has a title and MVP that zywoo doesnt. that's the only reason why s1>devve in 2019. without it, device would've 1000% been #2 additionally hltv.org/stats/players/compare/11893/zyw.. hltv.org/stats/players/compare/11893/zyw.. sh1ro vs zywoo, overall rating diff 0.04 LAN diff 0.05 hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7998/s1mp.. hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7998/s1mp.. device vs s1mple hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7998/s1mp.. overall rating diff 0.08 LAN diff 0.07 big event diff 0.05 very similar numbers, but even tho device 2019>sh1ro 2021, s1mple 2019>zywoo 2021
2021-11-26 17:59
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The "compare" is not working well as professor said on hltv, in order to see the real rating you need to look each player individually + you need to select as well the events hltv use for their ranking, in doing so its 0.06 diff in basic rating and 0.07 diff in elite events + literally 0.20 impact diff vs all and 0.25 impact diff vs top10 with sh1ro and zywoo, dev1ce had 1.30 impact in 2019 and major mvp, s1mple played less maps vs top5 than 2021 zywoo and same playoffs at the end of the year.
2021-11-26 22:16
ICE Challenge was officially an MVP-based event. It was counted in HLTV Top20 Rankings 2020. Open Electronic's 2020 article and see the MVP. Don't talk shit without knowing anything lol.
2021-11-26 21:44
vitality is already qulified for blast world finals btw : hltv.org/news/32863/nip-vitality-liquid-..
2021-11-26 17:55
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i never said they werent, i just said iem winter
2021-11-26 17:59
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This hoxje guy is obsessed and biased, i swear. I had this same discussion with him last night.... Plus when he links the stats of 'elite events', he includes every event this year.
2021-11-27 01:14
navi won a low tier event in shanghai right? let me remind you who went there ENCE #3 NaVi #4 FaZe #5 NiP #6 MIBR #7 Renegades #8 North #9 Vitality #10 NRG #11 Fnatic #15 BIG #18 in the playoffs: ence #3 navi #4 nip #6 renegades #8 north #9 vitality #10 nrg #11 fnatic #18 aside from liquid/astralis not attending, it was a really stacked event
2021-11-26 17:23
That event had 8 Top10 teams, 500K prizepool, Golden MVP award. If that is "low tier", ZywOo doesn't have even 1 Tier1 trophy in his whole career, using your own logic.
2021-11-26 21:42
You have three Nip players in top15, no biased at all... Also Hunter and Kceserato will definently be on the list.
2021-11-26 03:47
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#25
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Canada DASJUDEN
See I can sort of agree with device and hampus, but REZ should not be top 20, no way.
2021-11-26 03:56
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Yeah, maybe not even Hampus. Placings of 15-20 can be so many different players so that rest of the year still matters greatly.
2021-11-27 13:39
I think stavn should be lower a bit, at least yekindar higher than stavn Hampus way too high, he might be 20th, although low chances, same for REZ you forgot about hunter, I think he will be around 11-14 ish cadian higher than broky, faze guys have too low map count so maybe either Twistzz or broky might enter top 20 and be like 18-20th ish ropz also close to the end Jame has one MVP that might push him higher a bit not sure if elige will enter at all, team liquid was poor this year and also low map count kscerato might be around top15
2021-11-26 03:51
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#26
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Bosnia and Herzegovina sLiPpeRy
huNter- should be in #12 spot but I forgot to put him there at all
2021-11-26 03:57
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/15631/ksc.. kscerato+elige very similar liquid had a semi at kato and a quarter at epl furia had a semi at epl and a quarter at dh spring very similar results in EU aside from the major edit: big event rating is drastically diff, but i still think elige sneaks in at 20 while kscerato is 10-15
2021-11-26 04:26
1 reply
Makes sense
2021-11-26 06:56
+1 Stavn and nip members overrated on the list
2021-12-01 08:50
where is XANTARES
2021-11-26 03:55
not bad but where kscerato
2021-11-26 03:58
my top 20: 1. s1mple 2. SH1RO 3. ZywOo 4. HObbit 5. Ax1Le 6. NiKo 7. electronic 8. dev1ce 9. YEKINDAR 10. B1T 11. Jame 12. hunter 13. stavn 14. cadiaN 15. Kscerato 16. refrezh 17. frozen 18. ropz 19. NAF 20. twistzz I am not sure about the names below top 15 as it can be other people too
2021-11-26 03:59
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twistzz should be higher for his lan peformance cause its higher than his online meaing he steps up when the competition is at its highest with crowd or studio pressure
2021-12-01 08:44
Looks legit Maybe Jame above b1t because of rating diferense
2021-12-01 08:53
1 reply
could be
2021-12-01 10:19
man said hampus xD sure he is a great fragging igl but top20? LMAO. 2/8 list
2021-11-26 03:59
1 reply
Recency bias hits some people hard
2021-11-26 04:31
Bad list, I could already tell with sh1r0 #2, excluding KSCERATO immediately discredits you as well and proves that you aren't basing this off any data or stats, but just your intangible opinion.
2021-11-26 04:15
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sh1ro 2 isnt that unreasonable
2021-11-26 04:24
What you smoking
2021-11-26 04:17
missing twistzz, maybe blamef around top 15-20?
2021-11-26 04:20
No kscerato or hunter kscerato top10
2021-11-26 04:23
bro really put rez and hampus above kscerato, twistzz, blameF, broky, jame, elige flair checks out
2021-11-26 04:23
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In fairness, I'd probably say skill wise they might be better than him, but this year has been a miss for NiP. Then again, Furia hasn't played in 90% of the important tournaments, so i can see him not being in top20
2021-12-01 08:42
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kscerato is a beast, rating is too high for him not to make it
2021-12-01 16:52
in which universe is niko above zywoo...no
2021-11-26 06:59
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#70
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Germany Matrixrl1
in the universe where G2 won the Major
2021-11-26 17:57
in this one this year G2 was overral better team (vit sucks) so sadly this year (for know) Niko>zywoo
2021-11-27 00:43
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is it team ranking or players ranking? oh wait... zywoo>niko
2021-11-27 05:03
7 replies
yeah but shit team equal less PO maps played so niko>>>
2021-11-27 06:05
6 replies
Is this ranking about players with the most play off maps? Oh wait zywoo>niko
2021-11-27 07:31
5 replies
of course i u play less map u get better rating
2021-11-30 05:21
4 replies
there is no direct connection in those 2 things. you can play 2 maps with 1.50 rating and yea you will have great rating till the end of the year or you can play 2 maps with 0.50 and guess what? it will be exactly the otherwise... if you look at elite event stats then zywoo has 80 and niko 99. it isnt astronomical difference and diff in rating is 0.12 which is nuts. and zywoo has better ratings vs top50/30/20/10/5 anyway and its not like g2 dominated this year so achievments woll not push niko above zywoo. in 2019 navi was barely top10 team and they reached literally 1 grand finall that year yet s1mple was second before both device and elige only thanks to stats. we could argue about sh1ro and zywoo but there is no discussion between niko and zywoo. you will see yourself in 1 month buddy:)
2021-11-30 10:13
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yeah it have s1mple for example have a better rating than dev1ce in major but with half of the maps
2021-12-01 00:05
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talking about 2019 in this case
2021-12-01 00:06
it isnt only about major(literally 1 tournament this year)...its about whole year buddy
2021-12-01 08:28
1. s1mple 2. ZywOo 3. sh1ro 4. NiKo 5. electronic 6. Hobbit 7. Ax1le 8. dev1ce 9. b1t 10. yekindar 11. jame 12. frozen 13. ropz 14. stavn 15. KSCERATO 16. TeSeS 17. Perfecto 18. Broky 19. hunter 20. Twistzz
2021-11-26 08:57
1 reply
+1 that's the one
2021-12-01 09:00
Good list.
2021-11-26 09:09
s1mple #1 always
2021-11-26 09:11
2 replies
sh1ro #1, i think
2021-11-26 09:26
1 reply
delusional, s1mple #1 this year
2021-11-26 09:28
my top 20 1. sh1ro 2. s1mple 3. Hobbit 4. Ax1le 5. Zywoo 6. NiKo 7. Jame 8. electronic 9. yekindar 10. ropz 11. frozen 12. hunter 13. kscerato 14. device 15. cadian 16. b1t 17. teses 18. nafany 19. naf 20. elige 20.
2021-11-26 09:26
2 replies
good one
2021-11-26 21:46
you're insane :D
2021-12-01 09:00
good list EDIT :w tf is hampus doing here EDIT 2: no tabseN? wtf :(
2021-11-26 09:28
hampus top 13?
2021-11-26 09:29
no k0nfig?
2021-11-26 15:47
hampus 13th ? device 8th ?
2021-11-26 17:37
#66
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Russia Berkury
Naf?
2021-11-26 17:43
#68
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Germany Matrixrl1
1. Simple 2. Zywoo 3. NiKo 4. Shiro
2021-11-26 17:54
racist list Sadge
2021-11-26 18:27
rez xdddd hampus xddddd no kscerato or yuurih wtf
2021-11-26 21:47
1.TaZ 2.s1mple 3.acor
2021-11-26 21:48
#81
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France masnoi
1.s1mple 2.niko 3.ZywOo 4.Sh1ro 5.Hobbit 6.Electronic 7.Ax1le 8.Yekindar 9.Dev1ce 10.B1t 11.KSCERATO 12.Jame 13.Stavn 14.Yuurih 15.Naf 16.Cadian 17.Elige 18.Hampus 19.Perfecto 20.Frozen
2021-11-27 00:56
1. floppy / oSee 2. FaNg 3. JT, MarKE 4. Sonic 5. t.c. 6. me
2021-11-27 00:57
Hampus at 13, are you kidding me?
2021-11-27 05:23
1. ZywOo 2. NAF 3. NiKo 4. Hobbit 5. b1t
2021-11-27 06:08
Elige > device
2021-11-27 06:21
put NAF #15, bump everyone below down
2021-11-27 07:34
no hunter?
2021-11-27 13:43
No hunter? what are you smoking
2021-12-01 08:34
1. s1mple 2. sh1ro 3. zywoo 4. hobbit 5. niko
2021-12-01 08:36
-refrezh +Tabsen (he is IGL, ofc BIG had bad year over all but still he posted up good numbers and frags and holds a higher Rating in this year than him
2021-12-01 08:46
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