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s1mple vs ZywOo skill difference
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Norway non_radical_leftist_guy 
It became clear to me after watching the major and these games that people are exaggerating the skill difference between ZywOo and s1mple way too much. I've watched these games and Na'Vi is just in a different class to Vitality. We've all experienced those games, when you play well, win your duels but your team is so shit that you end up losing the rounds anyway, and your economy is constantly fucked so you don't even stand a chance even though you're playing well. That's how it is for ZywOo a lot of the time... Maybe this is a hot take, but honestly, I think individually they are on the same level, MAYBE s1mple is slightly, but only slightly ahead, but I feel like you could put ZywOo in Na'Vi in place of s1mple and he would do equally good. Just like I feel like you could put s1mple in Vitality in place of ZywOo and he's have worse stats than he gets in Na'Vi.
2021-11-27 20:02
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#1
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India tkrsh
shutup
2021-11-27 20:02
If your team is bad. Your fights arent going to be as fair (1v1s)
2021-11-27 20:03
21 replies
+1 underrated comment
2021-11-27 20:05
wise chinese words
2021-11-27 20:07
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#54
gla1ve | 
Denmark JKTP
Mega american dude btw Asian-american though.
2021-11-27 20:21
1 reply
ik, I've on this site for a long time
2021-11-28 06:08
last year s1mple carried a shitty navi to pull of a few upsets against vitality. This year i dont think zywoo has done it once. and 2019 navi had a far better major showing dispite being a terrible team in all. zywoo just doesnt put his team on his back like s1mple had for 2017-2020
2021-11-27 21:22
15 replies
Oh wow 1 player can't carry his team against number 1 team in the world
2021-11-27 21:26
4 replies
i mean s1mple did it last year?? also im not saying zywoos bad hes insane im saying s1mple is significantly better
2021-11-27 21:28
3 replies
Last year Vitality were never really dominant like Navi is this year. Vitality only dominated for like 2-3 months, and during that time Navi never really won against Vitality. And Navi were the better team in 2021 overall according to HLTV
2021-11-27 21:33
1 reply
good comm +1
2021-11-28 20:27
He had electronic + to what did he carry? "im saying s1mple is significantly better" and I disagree
2021-11-27 21:42
S1mple can carry his team to win tournaments, we have seen in the past. But what amazes me is that S1mple can win you rounds from impossible situations. Like today's inferno when apex gave their team a free bombsite basically sneaking from construction, 4v3 retake and then S1mple happened. Still remember 1v3 with p250 on b site train against full bought opponents, even spunj called it impossible just before the clutch.
2021-11-27 21:29
4 replies
Talk about impossible: youtube.com/watch?v=jcDVvuOQNcA
2021-11-28 19:46
3 replies
These are not impossible plays. These are good plays no doubt, not impossible plays. Its 1v4 clutches, which is rare but many pros have already done it.
2021-11-28 20:22
2 replies
you have s0mple's man juice dripping from your lips, wipe it off, kiddo
2021-11-28 20:22
1 reply
lul good one
2021-11-28 20:23
mark this #115 on the wall of hltv so that everyone can see it so fkin true
2021-11-27 21:58
2 replies
Lol S1mple always got electronic by his side who's is a consistent top10 player ...even in 2018 he was #4 ...no one from vitality is in Top20 other than Zywoo ...idk y S1mple fans are so dumb
2021-11-28 03:46
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#178
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Netherlands SpiceNut
Electronic really fell of last year though, impact wise He's back now, that's true
2021-11-28 06:58
shitty navi still had perfecto simple and electornic ... boombl4 always plays bitch roles and drops guns so others get better stats xd flamie was literally the only "bad" player on navi
2021-11-28 20:07
s1mple's team in 2019 was equal as zywoo's team in 2019 lol. Don't forget that s1mple has electronic on his team, who was ranked #5 or something like that.
2021-11-29 01:32
Yes this is very true as well. I saw ZywOo doing a lot of desperate moves, just to try and give his team an early advantage.
2021-11-29 01:31
#3
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Russia brillianton
they are on the same level like we saw in previous years, its just that s1mple has gotten way better teammates and vita is disbanding. people who honestly believe s1mple just got sooo much better and zywoo worse are crazy.
2021-11-27 20:03
7 replies
+1
2021-11-27 20:04
#12
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North America AlanSmith2
+1 vitality is just too bad kyojin is not t1 level player
2021-11-27 20:07
Possibly the cringiest shit I have ever read this month on hltv, thanks for that and enjoy your copium
2021-11-27 20:17
Why is it you gamb0t fans make no sense when you talk???
2021-11-27 20:39
Exactly, ZywOo isn't underperforming s1mple isn't better. Zywoo has been clutching ,opening site and keeping high adr while his team was drowning under the sea. Why s1mple seems better this year??? (they are on a winning stream/momentum ) and with such an addition of b1t , now there is no weak link in navi , everyplayer showed off lately. Remove Rpk an experienced player from vitality , even if he won't show off that much, You can count on him to do the job and be calm in a 1/4 final or during major. (he won't go 4 16 every maps) Kyojin nobody in france was rooting for him as much as people was rooting for b1t or now monesy. Problem for him he was a left over (rpk's contract was about to end , ) and they he wasnt the primary choice to join vitality (they wanted to pick someone from ldlc). Kyojin has been constantly underperforming while playing under vitality's name. It was way too hard and fast to make him the change. apeX was like raging more , and it wasn't the same team anymore without RPK. So it was even harder to carry 4 guys, shox was so inconsistent. Whereas Navi is now such a machine on paper and now it's a machine on lan.
2021-11-28 00:35
+1 logical response spotted
2021-11-28 06:22
+1 or braindead
2021-11-28 20:07
na'vi is a contender for longtime top1 spot, nobody is lacking, vitality is 4 washed up frenchies and zywoo, w/o him they wouldn't even be in the top 20
2021-11-27 20:03
9 replies
Navi no 1 for sure, but I feel kinda bad for Zywoo, his teammates are shit. With Dupreeh and Magisk Vitality will be much better
2021-11-27 20:10
8 replies
do you think dupreeh is good? maybe he is washed up also
2021-11-27 20:27
7 replies
I just don't see who on the world could be more washed up than misuta or kiojin
2021-11-27 20:31
5 replies
and shox
2021-11-27 20:32
3 replies
and apex :D
2021-11-27 20:32
2 replies
lmao.. to be fair apex get better
2021-11-27 20:32
Apex would be decent if he wasn't an IGL
2021-11-27 21:28
Misuta isn't washed
2021-11-27 21:28
Yeah, he lost to freaking Lem and Global elite in a 1v1 🤣🤣
2021-11-27 20:33
#5
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Ukraine McSwell
device and shiro are players who can read a "csgo skill" book and successfully past a test based on it. zywoo is a player who remembers all the words in "csgo skill" book from A to Z s1mple is a player who wrote this book.
2021-11-27 20:06
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#9
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Russia brillianton
possibly the cringiest shit ive read this week, thanks for that.
2021-11-27 20:06
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#87
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Mongolia heedblank
+1
2021-11-27 20:37
Hahahahhahahahhah
2021-11-28 13:45
+1 wow well said man
2021-11-27 20:07
#14
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North America AlanSmith2
cringe
2021-11-27 20:07
#15
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Sweden Kahbor4L
Hahah I hate those cringe quotes. Reminds me of Thorin when he said "ZywOo perfected the game, bUt s1MpLe bReAks tHe gAmE" Nah lmao. Both of them were almost exactly equal in 2019&2020, ZywOo was better in 2019 but 2020 they were even. The difference this year is that s1mple's team is fucking insane and stacked, and ZywOo's team has gotten worse. The recency bias is just insanely strong on these forums.
2021-11-27 20:09
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#25
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
zywoo won 6 mvps in 2020, s1mple won 2.
2021-11-27 20:10
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#31
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Sweden Kahbor4L
Yes, but there is only so much you can do if your team is performing bad. Sure, ZywOo won more MVPs and yes he was the right choice for #1 in 2020. But in terms of how they played, they were exactly equal in 2020, both of them played equally well, but yes Hltv ranking takes MVPs and stuff into account so it made sense to put ZywOo at #1.
2021-11-27 20:12
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#94
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
well s1mpe reached 4 finals and zywoo reached 6 finals. hltv.org/news/30896/top-10-teams-of-2020 zywoo was the mvp in all events they reached finals. seems like zywoo was the clear better player.s1mpl had electronic in his team who also got an mvp.zywoo didn't have a top 20 player in his team. you cannot say navi was a bad team where they were ranked 2nd in 2020.
2021-11-27 20:43
That doesn't explicate individual level. It's 6 vs 0 this year (till now), but that doesn't display the actual skill difference. Vitality made like 7 grand Finals in a row, and won 2 big events in 2020. They were at 1000 points for like 2 months straight. Navi made 2 grand Finals, apart from winning Overrated Katowice. Vitality should have been Top2 of 2020, everyone was shocked when Navi was ranked 2nd, just because Katowice 2020 was overrated so much.
2021-11-27 20:32
5 replies
Overated Katowice? D:
2021-11-27 20:39
1 reply
#95
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
yes. even krimz made top 20 because of kato performance
2021-11-27 20:43
How is the only one big lan tournament all across the year overrated
2021-11-27 20:40
2 replies
That one tournament shouldn't have made Navi Top2 of 2020, even if it was the biggest event. Anyway, that wasn't the point of my comment. Do not deviate lol.
2021-11-27 20:44
#98
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
that way why it was overrated. performing well in that single event put many player like krimz top 20 and s1mple was the mvp of that event, so got a huge boost too by hltv. if we take 8 elite evnts of the year, s1mple was the mvp of 2 events while zywoo was 4 times élite event mvp. zywoo was the best player in half of the biggest events of 2020.
2021-11-27 20:46
Lol you could say the same about s1mple's team in 2019/2020 with bot guardian, zues, and flamie.
2021-11-27 20:14
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#51
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Sweden Kahbor4L
Both of them had equal teams in 2019&2020, now in 2021 s1mples team is on another level.
2021-11-27 20:20
#53
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Czech Republic Ventraks
Guardian wasnt even there lol Still reminds of s1mple vs ENCE major joke. hahah
2021-11-27 20:21
2 replies
look it up. He was on the team from end of 2019 to start of 2020. Performing badly AND taking awp from s1mple.
2021-11-27 20:23
1 reply
Wow 2 events
2021-11-27 21:33
You mean the 2020 navi that was the 2nd best team of the year?
2021-11-27 21:40
#19
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France Torres_
+1
2021-11-27 20:09
AUF ☝️
2021-11-27 20:19
Cringe pretentious post.
2021-11-27 20:24
+1
2021-11-27 20:26
#111
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Europe Y1J1NG
+1
2021-11-27 21:18
"I'm 14 and this is deep"
2021-11-27 21:34
When you read a book and you can understand and remember 100% of it, you will always be able to find spots that need improvements. So if S1mple wrote the book, ZywOo would have read it and made it better? So ZywOo > S1mple at some point… Nice analogy
2021-11-28 05:30
Cringe
2021-11-28 06:52
one in his name. #1 in the game!
2021-11-28 11:37
He was just as good in 2018 Na'Vi, so yeah... nooo
2021-11-27 20:05
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#16
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Japan Cannon12
+1
2021-11-27 20:07
True, s1mple's teammates are unbelievably good. Meanwhile ZywOo's teammates clips.twitch.tv/BoxyWealthyMilkMingLee-N..
2021-11-27 20:07
40 replies
s1mple deserved this after carrying bots for so long
2021-11-27 20:09
36 replies
Carrying bots? He's never had to play with bots.
2021-11-27 20:10
30 replies
Yeah, Zeus and Edward were gods :DDD Also, teammates from Flipside and Hellraisers xd
2021-11-27 20:10
12 replies
Zeus was an IGL so it's excusable and Edward wasn't too bad. Who cars about Flipside and Hellraisers.
2021-11-27 20:11
11 replies
I don't see you excuse apEX for being bad, such a hypocrite bro)))
2021-11-27 20:13
8 replies
I mean apEX is the second best player on that team.
2021-11-27 20:14
7 replies
You said he's shit and a bot a lot of the times, I remember our past conversations, nt
2021-11-27 20:15
6 replies
He is shit. Being the second best on Vitality isn't the hardest thing to do.
2021-11-27 20:15
5 replies
You said apEX is a bot, but somehow for Zeus it is exusable? Also, Edward was dogshit as well, basically like Kyojin cause misutaa is clearly much better than Edward was.
2021-11-27 20:17
4 replies
Zeus is a bot and Edward was a bit better than shox is right now.
2021-11-27 20:17
3 replies
So I was right, s1mple had to carry bots, flamie became 3rd bot in 2019-20
2021-11-27 20:19
2 replies
s1mple 2 bots ZywOo 4 bots
2021-11-27 20:27
1 reply
misutaa is good and apEX better than Zeus though who cares tho, s1mple is just as good as ZywOo, but with more experience
2021-11-27 20:29
zywoo started his pro career playing with major winners. s1mple had to carry na bums to majors before dragging bot zues/edward through lans for 2 years.
2021-11-27 20:18
1 reply
Exactly, finally a smart user
2021-11-27 20:20
0/8
2021-11-27 20:24
16 replies
When has he had to play with bots?
2021-11-27 20:24
15 replies
Firstly, in Hellraisers and Flipside (literally all 4 teammates were 30+ yo retired CS 1.6 pros) None were bots in Liquid, except adren. In Navi, with Kane, zeus, seized, edward, later guardiaN and flamie. Edward himself admitted after retiring from CSGO that him and zeus had become lazy and didn't practice much anymore. I understand you want to downplay s1mple's career as much as possible, but you can't change facts.
2021-11-27 20:30
14 replies
Not true.
2021-11-27 20:33
13 replies
You just can't stop hating, it's actually sad. You remain in denial even in the face of facts. I will act like you now. All right then, ZywOo never played with bots either. He played with the GOAT of CSS RpK, Multiple major winning legends like Happy, NBK, shox, and apex, who gave so much experience to ZywOo. Meanwhile, s1mple establishing dominance with no-namers like b1t, perfecto, and boombl4. Now he plays with younger blood like misutta and kyojin.
2021-11-27 20:36
12 replies
All of those guys you've named were/are bots.
2021-11-27 20:35
11 replies
Not true.
2021-11-27 20:36
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The first 4 players are higher rated than zeus and edward. They are higher rated than all of s1mple's teammates in Hellraisers and flipside. They are also higher rated than perfecto and boombl4, higher rated than flamie in past 3 years, and also higher rated than guardiaN in Navi. NBK same stats as B1T's stats in Navi. If you call them bots, so are s1mple's teammates. Accept that. Or accept you are baiting :)
2021-11-27 20:52
8 replies
Not true.
2021-11-27 20:53
7 replies
Here you go: Zeus: hltv.org/stats/players/484/zeus?startDat.. Edward: hltv.org/stats/players/483/edward?startD.. GuardiaN 2019: hltv.org/stats/players/2757/guardian?sta.. Flamie last 3 years: hltv.org/stats/players/7594/flamie?start.. Boombl4: hltv.org/stats/players/11840/boombl4?sta.. I can also link Hellraisers and flipside players like b1ad3, starix, markeloff lmao with 0.7 ratings, but I am kinda bored. Tell me if you want, I will link them too xD. You can't deny facts, hater :)
2021-11-27 21:07
6 replies
I could link bots from aAa too
2021-11-27 21:07
1 reply
The players I linked were all playing in NaVi. Aaa is a faceit mix, not a professional team. At least accept where you are wrong, holy shit.
2021-11-27 21:09
He knows he can't win with facts tbh, so all he's left with is denying every single argument. It's impossible to prove something.. dead case :D
2021-11-27 21:11
3 replies
+1 dude, he's actually mentally ill. I thought he was just baiting, but now I'm not so sure. He literally compared Aaa faceit mix players with Navi's Tier1 roster. Like wtf? So genuinely retarded lmfao, I can't anymore.
2021-11-27 21:13
2 replies
I listened to your advice and now more often than not I reply to him with the same ridiculous comment or something more serious if I have the mood for it :) But what I've learned long time ago that this must be one of the most delusional users this site has ever seen. Or he perfectly plays a role of master baiter :D
2021-11-27 21:24
P.S. Imagine how cocky he will be if or when ZywOo gonna be winning tournaments. That's a scary prospect :D
2021-11-27 21:20
#27
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
when did s1mple arried bots? he always had a top player 20 player with him when he won events
2021-11-27 20:11
4 replies
I never said all 4 players were bots, just Zeus, Edward and later on flamie as well
2021-11-27 20:12
3 replies
#100
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
well smple always had top 20 players with him when he won events. he never solo carried .
2021-11-27 20:48
2 replies
good joke
2021-11-28 03:02
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#182
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
show me a event where s1mple won without another top 20 player in his team lol
2021-11-28 08:44
#29
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Czech Republic Ventraks
thats a shame, but apeX plays better then misutaa, Kyojin or shox. Good lurking, high impact and sometimes pops up.
2021-11-27 20:12
2 replies
Playing better than misutaa, shox or Kyojin isn't the hardest thing in the world.
2021-11-27 20:13
1 reply
#38
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Czech Republic Ventraks
Yeah sure, but he is IGL. If we cut off the raging, he is above average IGL
2021-11-27 20:15
Good take
2021-11-27 20:08
#21
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Germany Xrageon
I acutally think that s1mple is better in terms of Aim but i feel like Zywoo is a bit ahead in gamesence.
2021-11-27 20:09
4 replies
It's the other way around actually.
2021-11-27 20:10
3 replies
Zywoo has better crosshair placement by far, S1mple has better adjustments and flicks Zywoo's gamesense is robotic, he calculates everything. S1mple's gamesense is more risk taking, but his confidence and skill makes it work most of the time At least my two cents
2021-11-27 20:14
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#91
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India Lunat1c777
+1 You're part of the very few smart people in this whole forum
2021-11-27 20:41
+1
2021-11-28 13:55
Absolutely, I'm not sure how anyone could think S1mple is miles above Zywoo. However I think S1mple's shown to have a higher ceiling, between this year and 2018, their average performance is neck and neck
2021-11-27 20:11
both are insane but Z looks like a super talented kid who learned all the rules and follows them to perfection and S is the one to break the rules whenever he thinks it's right to do so. in other words, they might be close in terms of mechanic skills but as for the gamesense - S is far above
2021-11-27 20:14
Ok
2021-11-27 20:14
s1mple has come a long way, which zywoo still has to go...this applies to many aspects, both gaming and life...Yes, zywoo is close in terms of mechanical skills, but s1mple is far ahead in everything else!
2021-11-27 20:15
Same hypocrite fangirls a few years back: iTs EaSiEr tO sTaT pAd iN a TeAm WiTh 4 bOtS nOw tRy WiTh 4 gOoD pLaYeRs uR RaTiNg WiLL bE ShiTTiEr Same hypocrite fangirls now: iTs EaSiEr tO fRaG aNd pErFoRm WiTh 4 gOoD pLaYeRs
2021-11-27 20:16
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#62
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Sweden Kahbor4L
People who unironically says that it's easier to get good stats and high rating in a bad team are retarded
2021-11-27 20:25
I've hardly ever seen anyone say that it's easier to get high rating in a team with bad players lol. Read the post and address it instead of arguing against some made up argument
2021-11-27 20:28
7 replies
Then you are a newfag. Im newfag myself and yet i remember hltv and youtube in 2018 and 2019 was full of comments like this that its easier to statpad with bad teammates because there is more kills for simple.
2021-11-28 06:53
Newfag for sure. Every s1mple hater back in 2017-2018 were saying about him but look what happened now, apparently it’s easier to frag and deliver when you have a good team. Or maybe s1mple doesn’t give a fuck and delivers with both shit and good teams.
2021-11-28 13:37
5 replies
"apparently it’s easier to frag and deliver when you have a good team" It is literally easier to have high rating if you are in a good team that wins a lot. It's a fact, it's not even up for discussion.
2021-11-28 16:59
4 replies
Yeah yeah good job. Somebody just delivers in any team, good, shit or average. Stop coping
2021-11-28 19:40
3 replies
No idea what you're even saying, I literally can't comprehend it. Please clarify.
2021-11-28 19:40
2 replies
I clarified enough already for you, newfag. Some player just delivers everywhere, no matter how bad or great his team was. But zywoo fangirls like you can keep coping with this fact :)
2021-11-28 19:44
1 reply
??? Of course ZywOo and s1mple can deliver even on bad teams. But their rating will be higher if their team is being dominant.
2021-11-28 19:44
#52
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Poland v1ctorex
dont fucking excuse him with thta right now he played bad and its a fact could have done much more jeeez the narrative would be good but not when hes going 0.9 almost the same as his "bad" teammates
2021-11-27 20:20
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#58
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Sweden Kahbor4L
His teams average rating was 0.65, and he got 0.91. Do you not understand how hard it is to have a good rating if your team gets absolutely demolished?
2021-11-27 20:24
They are pretty even individually or in terms of being a threat on the server but what Id say for sure that both are miles ahead of anyone else who played csgo
2021-11-27 20:24
ok
2021-11-27 20:25
S1mple is way more complete player then zywoo. S1mple is better with all guns, and more unpredictable than zywoo
2021-11-27 20:28
2 replies
2021-11-27 21:21
1 reply
trust me bro
2021-11-28 06:32
ZyWoO = s1mple, they are both way more above than others, s1mple taking this year, better team etc Zywoo playing 1v9 sometimes 2v8 thats it. Imo u cant say who is better, they are both number ones in the game and no one cant compete their skill rightnow exept maybe NiKo bcz of his insane.major run.
2021-11-27 20:30
s1mple 2018
2021-11-27 20:34
ZywOo is dependent on his team, s1mple doesnt. s1mple would do more than ZywOo does in Vitality but yeah, they are kinda equally good.
2021-11-27 20:35
2 replies
+1 S1mple was a God in any team, device and Zywoo cannot be like that
2021-11-27 21:24
s1mple isnt*
2021-11-28 00:21
#84
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Portugal lovessd
ive never been impressed a lot by zywoo's frags. on the other hands watching s1mple is like looking at a magician. even when s1mple was in dogshit teams i was just like "wow" he did such huge amount of insane actions s1mple >>> zywoo & anyone else
2021-11-27 20:36
well basically there is s1mple, then a step down zywoo and maybe niko and everyone else.
2021-11-27 20:37
s1mple said zywoo is the only player on his level
2021-11-27 20:47
10 replies
but it was ages ago, S1mple is on his own level above anyone else like S1mple is miles ahead of anyone... for really long time
2021-11-27 21:23
He also said he doesn't think hes better than him
2021-11-28 00:27
8 replies
#147
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South Africa CRMN1
He did indeed but what's your point? Doesn't being on the same level imply not being better already?
2021-11-28 02:46
7 replies
2 people can be on a different level than everyone else, but one of them can still be better than their counterpart.
2021-11-28 03:17
6 replies
#157
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South Africa CRMN1
You're twisting. 2 players can in fact be on a different level than anyone else but that's not what he said. He said ZywOo is the only player on his level, not below, not beyond. No other player was called for comparison
2021-11-28 03:21
5 replies
bruh
2021-11-28 03:24
4 replies
#159
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South Africa CRMN1
In reality s1mple said zywoo is closer to his level than anyone else and that also implies being at a higher level anyway so we're rambling over the wrong stuff we were all mislead here xD
2021-11-28 03:25
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hmm that clarifies things. although what i said in #156 still applies, i would say.
2021-11-28 03:27
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#162
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South Africa CRMN1
If we went back and took his comment for granted with that claim I wouldn't agree with you either way. I agree that 2 players can be on a different level than everyone else, but in this case that "different" level would be the same level, if you know what I mean. If I say Barcelona is on the same level as Real Madrid I'm not saying they are better or worse, they're simply on par and that's the bottom line to it, but doesn't matter anyway :)
2021-11-28 03:32
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idk why i did this but here i.imgur.com/yCZhxIP.png
2021-11-28 03:39
I could agree with a lot of you said. But saying you could put zywoo in na'vi(langauge aside) and he would be just as good is dumb to me. Everyone who claims zywoo is 1v9 every game and complain taht s1mple has a good time either is completely omitting, lying, or new to the fact that s1mple played on some bad teams and still dragged them across finish lines. At 17 years old, took the first NA team to a major grand final ever. In 2018 he played some of the best CS the world has ever seen and beat the almighty Astralis at Cologne with Edward and Zues on the roster. (Zues played out of his mind against Astralis that day tho). He would be given a deagle while zues and edward get the AK, which I think vitality does and everyone complains about, and he would still perform. S1mple went through hell to get the team he now has. Flamie should have been gone long ago, whether it was for b1t or not, he was an anchor. A literal anchor where he sinks, not a site anchor.
2021-11-27 20:58
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Idk y people underrate electronic so much.. "S1mple had a bad team", u r dumb dude he literally has electronic who was #4 in 2018, #6 in 2019 and #5 in 2020 and Vitality has got no one in Top20 last 2 years where Zywoo was #1 ...idk who has a worse team then... Idiotic s1mpLuL fangays
2021-11-28 03:53
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People don't underrate him. But you omit the fact that for the longest time, it was s1mple and electronic carrying Zues, Edward, and Flamie...... Literal Anchors
2022-01-16 16:53
#109
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Ukraine Snigopad
Why doesn't anyone suggest replacing Cadian with Zywoo? Probably because Cadian is not just a sniper, it is something more for the team. The same is Simple, he is not just a sniper. Sometimes it's not about aim, without Simple Navi will lose in macro and in understanding the opponent's game.
2021-11-27 21:16
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Because Heroic is a danish team maybe? And cadiaN is their IGL? Lmfao
2021-11-27 21:22
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Ukraine Snigopad
And? S1mple is a team captain (Boombla in game leader) Plus he makes a lot of calls and is a key player in the team, just check how he moves around the map. That is why he cannot be replaced by just a good sniper like ZyWoo or Monesi, these are players of different levels and impact.
2021-11-28 00:36
"We've all experienced those games, when you play well, win your duels but your team is so shit that you end up losing the rounds anyway, and your economy is constantly fucked so you don't even stand a chance even though you're playing well." yeah tahts me every game :$ c
2021-11-27 21:18
#142
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Israel GrandpaZ
This is quiet true.the skill gap between them is marginal if at all. both of them are on a league of their own individually compared to all other players, both are godlike hybrid hypercarry players, and both pull off stuff that no one else can. Ranking will be decided purely by team achievement.
2021-11-28 02:15
both zywoo and s1mple have mastered csgo from a mechanical perspective. however, s1mple has mastered it from a tactical perspective as well. s1mple's understanding of the game, zywoo would need years to come close to that if he actually puts the effort into it.
2021-11-28 02:22
I think S1mple is a master of systems, whereas Zywoo is a master of intuition. I'm a S1mple fan, but if Zywoo doesn't lose that connection (he hasn't yet), he will be the GOAT by the end of his career.
2021-11-28 02:30
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id say its the other way around
2021-11-28 02:42
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How so? S1mple is the guy who practices jumping deagle shots on Aim_botz looking for patterns and replicability. Zywoo is the guy who doesn't even dm, but just dances around hitting pixels, no matter who the person behind the pixels is. Unless you mean to say systems beat intuition in the long-term, where I would agree you might have a point. Still, Zywoo is gifted not only mechanically or in terms of game sense, but also temperamentally. I think s1mple only falls short of Zywoo in temperament, and that might just make the difference at the end of a long career. The guy is a freaking enlightened monk at 20. No matter the situation or level of stress, he shows up without being hard on his teammates or himself. Pure performer.
2021-11-28 03:04
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i thought you were saying system player in terms of how a team plays, not in the way you are currently describing. i agree with your statement now
2021-11-28 18:10
s1mple is undoubtedly better, it's just plain to see. Mechanically they might be almost on par with each other but s1mple has so much more experience and confidence and is always willing and able to take the round by the horns himself and just break the game, zywoo has the potential to do that as well imo but he just doesn't do it for w/e reason (whether that's his own reasons or his team structure or a 1000000 other different things)
2021-11-28 02:43
Lol you just realize this?
2021-11-28 02:46
Like thorin said, put s1mple in zywoo's team and s1mple would make that team the best in the world for 4 years. Put zywoo in s1mple's team and navi would fall out of the top 10. that's how good s1mple is, he's vastly superior. People don't exagerate when they say s1mple is twice as good as zywoo because he really is from a pure objective angle and I'm saying this as a zywoo fan as well
2021-11-28 02:50
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zywoo fan? shut up delusional s1mple fan
2021-11-28 06:37
Most retarded shit i've seen today
2021-11-28 13:49
"put s1mple in zywoo's team and s1mple would make that team the best in the world for 4 years." LMAO WHAT no way he said that shit
2021-11-29 01:36
Also u need to stop rewriting history, s1mple been competiting for the top for years, even when his mates were trash. zywoo ain't doing crap. s1mple been playing on a much higher level REGARDLESS of the mates he had. S1mple was playing much better than zywoo in worse teams. so don't come here with your "but his team is better" bullshit
2021-11-28 02:56
zywoo fans are always funny as fuck s1mple breaks records with bad mates = his team8s don't do shit so he can have all the frags he wants s1mple breaks records with good mates = he got help thatw why We all know s1mple is on a much higher level than zywoo, and there's no explanation, s1mple is a force of nature, he's a groundbreaking player than will never be matched, simple as that. S1 has made every single team he played in competitive as fuck, even a random team composed of school mates. Fanboys who believe zywoo is even close to being half as good as s1mple clearly don't know shit about CS.
2021-11-28 02:55
zypoo will be better once he has dupreeh and magisk as of now s1mple is better because he has multiple teammates that can own zypoo meanwhile he has no teammates that can own s1mple
2021-11-28 03:10
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Lmao. S1mple was just as good with bad mates. You can't compare them...s1mple is much better than zywoo. Thats why everyone agrees and been saying s1 is THE GOAT. Hes the best no matter who he plays with.
2021-11-28 03:28
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Zypoo was able to beat s1mple back then tho not now its not even close
2021-11-28 04:19
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You mean valve beat s1mple? People who do the lost said themselves that 2020 s1mple lost because he was forces to play cis tournaments and valve didnt allow those to give mvps.
2021-11-28 06:47
#155
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Palestine __rQ__
Please just watch a s1mple pov demo and compare it with zywoo.
2021-11-28 03:13
S1mple is 🐐. Zywoo is also one of the best and is number 2 so far. Skill wise, s1mple is better but zwyoo seems to have a better game sense. I think zwyoo really lacks having good teammates to support him. With addition of magisk and dupreeh along with zonic will be huge for them. Also, in rounds where they force buy or saves 1 awp, shox seems to use that weapon and not zywoo which is something I don't understand when they literally have the 2nd best player in the world that can pop off at any time.
2021-11-28 05:23
Agreed
2021-11-28 05:26
Nope, s1mple had shit team for a long time and he very rarelly had bas numbers when his team got stomped. Zywoo shits the bed much more often when vitality gots destroyed
2021-11-28 06:39
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He had average numbers while rifling and GuardiaN was awp ing.
2021-11-28 07:03
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he changed his mouse 5 times at that time, for sponsoring reasons... and he was still very good lmao
2021-11-28 07:54
Lmfao no. His stats while rifling (2019 GuardiaN period): hltv.org/stats/players/7998/s1mple?start.. Check his weapons stats during that period: hltv.org/stats/players/individual/7998/s.. Rifle kills - 642, Pistol kills - 155, Sniper kills - 87 And Rating - 1.28. He was playing with a 0.9 rated primary AWPer, and when the AWPer is so bad, entire team suffers. It was a new role for s1mple and he still had 1.28 rating. If 1.28 is average, Niko is a below average player, using same logic.
2021-11-28 18:22
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And NiKo didn't play with 0.9 awpers for the past 3 years? Also not a new role for s1mple, He was 2nd awper half of his career.
2021-11-29 06:57
174 is right, s1mple has an history of carrying very bad teams..meanwhile zywoo can't and has never done that. He needs the team to play for him. Comparing him to s1mple is an insult to s1.
2021-11-28 07:54
I have no clue how you people compare someone who is a secondary caller on his team and plays at the number 1 level at the same time to someone who has total freedom, has his teammates giving him all the resources and his IGL calling the game around him. Zywoo is very good but he's a young player whose only job is to click heads. s1mple used to be that way aswell, but he evolved. The question is how Zywoo is going to do when he's not the young guy on a team anymore and it's his turn to lead (in some capacity) younger players to victory.
2021-11-28 08:53
s1mple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ZywOo
2021-11-28 10:41
Both are head & shoulders (no offense to Krimz) above everyone else Navi is stronger and more successful this year, for that reason simple should get the n°1 spot, Because of team achievement
2021-11-28 11:43
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Germany Matrixrl1
noone is doubting s1mple getting #1 dont worry
2021-11-28 13:41
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He's saying S1mple is getting it, because he is in a dominating team with all the best around him. Allow him to play more matches, easier clutches cause he have easier information, better buy rounds cause the team is dominating which allow him to show alot more. Nonetheless it's a great achivement and deserved for him because he performed at high level consistently but being in Navi allow him to get this number one spot.
2021-11-28 20:04
They are very close individually,both can hit impossible shots and make the most insane plays.s1mple has a more bold and flashy style,Zywoo maybe not as much. Zywoo probably needs some more experience,sometimes he isnt as good in the biggest matches tough his team is insanely bad,he just gets nerfed so much its hard to gudge .s1mple had the same problem with "choking" in some games in the earlier parts of his career too,Zywoo will likely become even better thsn he is now
2021-11-28 13:47
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"Zywoo probably needs some more experience,sometimes he isnt as good in the biggest matches tough his team is insanely bad" The thing is, if you have a really bad team in PROFESSIONAL CS, it's insanely hard to find fair duels and get in good positions. If your teammates are constantly losing duels and performing bad, it's really hard in professional CS to get into those good multi-frag positions. I've watched a lot of vitality games recently, and I see ZywOo needing to take on bad duels that aren't in his favour, just to give his team an early advantage, since he can't rely on them doing their job.
2021-11-28 17:42
Vitality has been shitter than shit this year and Zywoo is still up there, the man is more skilled than S1mple he just doesn't have a team that can compete. Navi apart from the spankings they got from Gambit during spring/summer has been the best time in the year and has been dominant apart from a few series (IEM Beijing vs Vitality for example) so his stats will be inherently inflated like Device in 2018. S1mple will get number 1 this year and can't argue against that, next year I'm confident Zywoo will take the number 1 spot. Yes, you are right, cs fans have widened the gap between S1mple and Zywoo cause Navi are number 1 and it's painful to read at times, it is FAR too close to call 80% of the time often coming down to whose got the better day. I love to watch S1mple and Zywoo play in peak form (unless vs Astralis feelsbadman), S1mple pulling plays that seem like he's just trolling (think vent double no-scope vs Heroic) or Zywoo doing the impossible ace/1v4.
2021-11-28 13:48
They are both as good as each other in terms of sheer skill, in my opinion.
2021-11-28 20:10
navi is much better, zywoo literally makes 4 bang average players being in a top 5 team
2021-11-29 01:45
Talent-wise they're even, each one better in some aspects but overall canceling each other out. Experience-wise, Zywoo is where s1mple was 4 years ago. And given this experience edge, s1mple also has more leadership and slightly better game read. I do think that zywoo started his pro career at a higher floor than s1mple tho, so it's possible he reaches a higher ceiling -possible, not certain.
2021-11-29 12:34
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