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HOUSING PRICES WTF
TenZ | 
United States AKKAMI 
Over the covid era Moscow housing prices have absolutely skyrocketed for some reason. My family makes its living through renting out apartments, 7 Moscow properties in total, and each one of them has went up at least 70% in price over 2 years, some went up over 120%. It’s now impossible for anyone with an average Moscow salary ( like $1000 ) to ever afford an apartment since our smallest, shittiest apartment is now around 9 million rubles ( $125k ) . RIP to everyone from regions outside of Moscow who ever want to move to the capital I guess, going abroad is their only hope.
2021-11-28 11:58
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2021-11-28 11:59
#2
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Netherlands Datsun510
My parents house was 275k and now sells for nearly half a million its stupid
2021-11-28 11:59
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#3
TenZ | 
United States AKKAMI
+11111 We built our house for ~$1 million like 5 years ago, now it’s almost double that...
2021-11-28 12:00
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#5
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Netherlands Datsun510
Like how am i ever supposed to move out? I will get an above average salary but its not even enough im afraid
2021-11-28 12:01
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#13
TenZ | 
United States AKKAMI
Exactly, I think we will be the first generation to mostly stay living with our parents... earning enough for your own apartment/house is basically impossible lmao
2021-11-28 12:03
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#16
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Netherlands Datsun510
+1
2021-11-28 12:04
Move out to ghettos. In czech ghettos you can rent a house for as low as 200 $/month. But nobody wants to live there, because everything, especially the apartment and your neighbors, are trash :D
2021-11-28 12:22
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not true lmao
2021-11-28 13:17
In Spain young people have been living in their parents houses until they die or inherit something for centuries. The whole getting your own place thing is just propaganda so Banks can lend out money.
2021-11-28 12:34
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i like this conspiracy 👍
2021-11-28 18:55
Please remind me which year it was when you could move out / live alone from a starting salary and put down deposit on a house, because I don't remember. Normally one started working / got married and the joint income + parents help was enough for a deposit to get a mortgage. The only option to get out is to live with friends and rent an apartment together. It is a myth that "back in the days" it was easier, it was always nearly impossible. + you have rich parents so I wouldn't worry too much, they will give you one at some point I am sure, just find yourself a wife ;)
2021-11-28 12:41
It's important to note this is not just in Russia but in most countries in the world. So moving elsewhere hardly solves anything, you will always be paying the Corona tax (a double price basically)
2021-11-28 12:02
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#20
TenZ | 
United States AKKAMI
2021-11-28 12:06
#4
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Poland Neo[T]orius
wtf doesnt make sense I think only in russia lol
2021-11-28 12:01
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#6
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Netherlands Datsun510
Netherlands is a shitshow too atm
2021-11-28 12:01
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Doesn't netherlands came with the law, that flats above 40m^2 can't be rented? (Owner must live in it)
2021-11-28 13:16
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Wtf
2021-11-28 13:36
#118
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Netherlands Datsun510
Idk men i was talking about buying a house
2021-11-28 14:13
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It's still above 40m
2021-11-28 14:43
#8
TenZ | 
United States AKKAMI
Moscow is hell if you’re not a native Almost 0 chance to get a decent apartment ever cuz prices are high and salaries are low
2021-11-28 12:02
Even in Canada it's going insane right now
2021-11-28 12:10
same if not worse here in the czech republic
2021-11-28 12:34
#80
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Lithuania ElephantX
Polish brain
2021-11-28 12:39
Same in here
2021-11-28 13:06
Bro, poland prices for square meter went from 20% to 40% (depends on city) in those 2 years
2021-11-28 13:11
Wtf
2021-11-28 12:01
Rookie numbers
2021-11-28 12:02
It's like that everywhere in the world and it's not just houses - food, tech, cars, fuel etc.
2021-11-28 12:02
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#17
TenZ | 
United States AKKAMI
Well Moscow has way lower salaries but the same housing prices as Europe lmao At least everything else is cheap
2021-11-28 12:04
If thats the case worldwide and everything is going up till you cant live with 1 salary, govs will do smth about it and increase the minimmum wage till it stabilises again and so and so.
2021-11-28 13:09
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#107
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Finland Khroni
You would think so but not a single government shows even an attempt to do it
2021-11-28 13:19
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If they see that the situation is fked for most of the people, they will do smth about it trust me
2021-11-28 13:21
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I said everything is more expensive I didn't say everything has gone up in price to the point where nobody can afford to buy anything anymore
2021-11-28 13:29
#12
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Germany Turbo_CS
Same in Germany, average person just doesn't have 400.000 euro for a good house. Unless you want to pay for it your whole life, owning a house is a luxury nowadays
2021-11-28 12:03
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You're living in Germany?
2021-11-28 13:09
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#103
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Germany Turbo_CS
I do
2021-11-28 13:11
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I made a topic hltv.org/forums/threads/2551867/where-to.. asking about where to live. Would like to know your opinion on Germany cuz im thinking about moving there. How abut renting a studio 1 room apartment and having 1 decent job for the first year, will i make it trough food and stuff the first year? Ty
2021-11-28 13:14
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#110
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Germany Turbo_CS
I mean you should talk to a professional about moving not people on hltv, lol. In Germany you would need a lot of documents to even get a chance to live in a normal studio apartment and I had a lot of trouble with it. It's not easy to just move get a job and rent apartment as it sounds
2021-11-28 13:24
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Should be harder for you than for me since im EU member and i can work in Germany with my ID card, about living in an apartment should be same, yeah ofc i know i have to go and register myself and stuff like that but i just want to know things about living in apartment with 1 decent job salary and eat.
2021-11-28 13:26
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#112
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Germany Turbo_CS
I didn't mention that I had german citizenship when I arrived, still it wasn't easy. Talk to a professional
2021-11-28 13:28
My parents bought a 4 bedroom detached house in the south of England, 2002 for £150k, that same house recently sold for £450k.
2021-11-28 12:03
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#18
TenZ | 
United States AKKAMI
Our neighbor has owned London properties since the late 90s and I can’t begin to imagine what his net worth is now
2021-11-28 12:05
welcome to 2021 capitalism 125 k in a town is pretty sheep
2021-11-28 12:04
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It's faux capitalism when governments just print money, that's not honest
2021-11-28 12:07
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thats how u improve profit thats why u rich when u go to africa or asia is it good for the world - no is it good four your country yes buts its not easy as that its a big story
2021-11-28 12:19
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Just don't call it capitalism when government interfere and drives up prices with their endless inflation
2021-11-28 12:22
#24
TenZ | 
United States AKKAMI
125k for a shitty apartment in a city with an average salary of $1000/month is insane
2021-11-28 12:08
#43
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Russia goodjob
it's not capitalism actually inflation is caused by the government printing money, which is not capitalism also the other main reason why houses get more expensive is overregulation because of overregulation most materials get more expensive, land gets more expensive and it gets harder to get a permit to start building houses/apartment complexes people need to wake up and realize that insane government spending is basically theft, inflation is theft. They're stealing your money by making it worth less
2021-11-28 12:22
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+1 To that but in a lot of countries too prices are so high because many people own two or more properties which they dont live in. And foreign investors who buy up houses when theyre cheap[ and sell them later on for expensive without letting people live in them. IMO the only solution is to limit how many homes people can own, like one house and one holiday house,
2021-11-28 13:19
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nt communist
2021-11-28 13:29
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not even
2021-11-28 18:43
maybe cause people like ur family buy up properties to rent them out and inflating housing prices
2021-11-28 12:05
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#22
TenZ | 
United States AKKAMI
And that is my fault because...? Hate the game, not the player. Everyone should do what they can to further themselves.
2021-11-28 12:07
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didnt blame u i do hate the game and theres far more scummy things to do then being a landlord just saying thats probably the reason
2021-11-28 12:09
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nah that's only possible because there are not enough houses/apartments, just a symptom houselords didn't suddenly become greedy bastards in 2019 :D
2021-11-28 12:37
Living la vida loca but seriously working hard allowed me to buy and renovate my own house in Bulgaria where its supposed to be cheap and it still cost me about 100k euro.
2021-11-28 12:08
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#28
TenZ | 
United States AKKAMI
Sure but I’m guessing it’s outside of the city + Bulgaria so earning prospects are even worse than Moscow
2021-11-28 12:09
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Ofcourse it is, city property prices in Bulgaria challenge western european cities easily
2021-11-28 12:13
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#35
TenZ | 
United States AKKAMI
But let me guess : salaries are shit like in Moscow Lmao
2021-11-28 12:14
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Exactly! In IT its actually better than some EU states, but any other area of work (except exec roles) requires loans for living expenses at least once a year...
2021-11-28 12:16
"My family makes its living through renting out apartments" sympathetic
2021-11-28 12:08
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#31
TenZ | 
United States AKKAMI
? Content
2021-11-28 12:12
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what is there not to understand? first of all, i think its wrong to own more property than you can live in. its directly responsible for the shitty prices of houses and rent. second, i guess your parents got the money to buy the extra property by exploiting others. or inherited. which means your ancestors did. makes for a sympathetic family. got it?
2021-11-28 12:16
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#42
TenZ | 
United States AKKAMI
We never exploited anyone. We got our initial capital in the mid 2000s due to my father landing g a very high salary job for a while, and smart financial decisions helped from there.
2021-11-28 12:18
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do you want to disclose what the high salary job was?
2021-11-28 12:22
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#56
TenZ | 
United States AKKAMI
Sure. Explosives manager / team leader for seismic oil exploitation Upwards of $1500/day
2021-11-28 12:26
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exploitation is already in the name ;) *jk* but on more serious note: sounds like a white collar job, which brings us back to what i was saying in the first place: the hard work did others, your dad earned "their" money.
2021-11-28 12:31
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#71
TenZ | 
United States AKKAMI
My dad literally had a chance to 1) die in a explosives accident ( happened before ) 2) get malaria ( it took place in a jungle near a volcano, 10% of staff got malaria yearly and many have to live on antiretroviral meds forever Epic white collar job
2021-11-28 12:36
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jungle and malaria in russia? listen, everyone has to do a job to get by and your dad obviously had the possibilities to get educated the way he did (unlike the workers). you could at least try to see the bigger picture here. in case youre really interested to connect the dots here, i suggest to read the capital. better: not the book itself but some secondary literature because it makes much more sense and takes less time. and maybe something about colonialism.
2021-11-28 12:52
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#91
TenZ | 
United States AKKAMI
Did I say he worked in russia? It’s a russia-based company, but they were deployed for 3 months 3 times a year to Southeast Asia Also the grunt workforce still earned a huge amount due to conditions
2021-11-28 12:55
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it was a rhetorical question and thats why i added to read about colonialism, too.
2021-11-28 13:05
lmao stop crying and get valuable skills
2021-11-28 12:39
Lmao why are you talking like only the coal miners and assembly line workers are working hard?Do you have any idea how much you need to know to be succesful in a position like that,how much responsibility is in your hand? It holds much more value even if likely he didnt go home wanting to die from physical exhaustion every day.
2021-11-28 12:45
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dont you get where i am going with this? maybe less laughing and more reading. marx for example. or fisher.
2021-11-28 12:48
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Basicly everyone that makes more than an average salary not by being the lowest point at a workplace is an evil corporate schill exploiting the poor assembly line workers?
2021-11-28 12:57
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read. dont assume.
2021-11-28 12:59
well if they bought some of those for their hard earned money it deserves respect tbh
2021-11-28 12:14
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tell me, in which job is it possible to work hard (you know, marx, labor...) to earn so much money to afford 7 properties in a major city in this day and age? also, i dont think that people who worked hard for their money would go and exploit others - meaning doing to others what they had to endure. so that leaves two possibilities: either they exploited ppl right from the start with their business or they inherited which means that people in the family did. oh wait, theres a third: they found gold in clondyke gold rush or so... (or won the lottery)
2021-11-28 12:20
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nah if whole family gets decent pay its absolutely possible to buy some 1bedroom apartments that will get you passive income, even without doing others dirty
2021-11-28 12:53
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i highly doubt it. but were at an impass here.
2021-11-28 13:00
Yes, the rich people are taking advantage of covid economical issues to buy off properties, thus also property prices keeps raising accordingly.
2021-11-28 12:10
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#30
TenZ | 
United States AKKAMI
Like half of all super central Moscow properties ($20k per square meter+ ) are empty and owned by Chinese “investors”
2021-11-28 12:11
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Just recently saw a map of London real estates owned by foreign (to the UK) companies and its more than half.
2021-11-28 12:14
And the most expensive areas too i.insider.com/55e9c62fdd0895cf128b4607?w..
2021-11-28 12:20
Meh, chinese "money". Just keep taking more of those imaginary numbers, that gets infinitely printed inside of bank server hard drives. China taking advantage of holes in capitalism and taking over the world.
2021-11-28 12:38
This would never happen under the superior economic system known as communism.
2021-11-28 12:13
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go work on factory then
2021-11-28 12:15
10/10
2021-11-28 12:23
actually sad to but say capitalism isn't working as it did anymore
2021-11-28 12:56
weird flex but ok
2021-11-28 12:15
after covid th middle class will just join the lower and poor class :D and the high clkass will become the middle class and the bigrichsters take everything.
2021-11-28 12:17
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#44
TenZ | 
United States AKKAMI
+1 We will see an unprecedented shift in class relations soon, covid will have very long lasting economic and sociological consequences.
2021-11-28 12:18
nope. the high class wont go down. the distribution of wealth always goes from bottom to top.
2021-11-28 12:24
Try live london my frend.
2021-11-28 12:25
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#57
TenZ | 
United States AKKAMI
I visit London a lot. Very expensive, men(
2021-11-28 12:27
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Yes very spensiv, i own flat the size of boiler on inferno, costs more than 5 Lamborghini. You know?
2021-11-28 12:28
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#66
TenZ | 
United States AKKAMI
Just buy lambo and live in parking lot men
2021-11-28 12:32
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My fren, parking lot for 1 week is some monthly wage you know!?
2021-11-28 12:36
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#75
TenZ | 
United States AKKAMI
Park in Hyde park then It’s free iirc
2021-11-28 12:37
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You fix problem my fren
2021-11-28 12:38
Its the same thing here in Sweden. Houses are reaching prices never seen before in my hometown.
2021-11-28 12:27
this is normal in the west for decades, so it becomes the norm for you guys as well, capitalism fucked you, you lost and died. HF with upcoming totalitarianism as well, we exported this all over the planet and its working great!!
2021-11-28 12:27
Man actually in Saint-Petersburg 40m'2 apartment in good (not luxury or business) residential complex cost around 8-9mil (125k$) Pizdec ceni kak v Moskve a zp v 2 raza menshe xD
2021-11-28 12:29
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#68
TenZ | 
United States AKKAMI
Idk, spb properties even in the center aren’t nearly as insane as central Moscow. Even lower salaries tho...
2021-11-28 12:34
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central Moscow sometimes cost like NY or LA what a cringe ...
2021-11-28 12:37
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#77
TenZ | 
United States AKKAMI
70m apt sold for 350 m rub btw
2021-11-28 12:38
2021-11-28 12:31
I find it fascinating that people are just finding out about how inflation works. Sure, corona has had its role in it, but OP and some here acting like they've just discovered a new language.
2021-11-28 12:36
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its even more fascinating that people think that has solely to do with inflation (or corona).
2021-11-28 12:41
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Assumption is hell of a drug.
2021-11-28 13:03
fr anyone who doesn't know that is almost guaranteed to be poor forever
2021-11-28 12:42
true, this has been going on for more than a decade and it seems people started to realize only rn
2021-11-28 12:43
2008 and 2012 really fucked up the world
2021-11-28 12:42
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True
2021-11-28 13:32
thx capitalism!
2021-11-28 13:10
nearly every countrys reserve banks around the world had to lower the interest rates because of covid recession what happens is their banks have to buy bonds from the government (probably ~$100 billion worth) to encourage lending and investment its meant to mature around 2024 back to 0.1 percent and its called yield curve control the problem is it will cause hyper inflation, so wage growth is almost impossible even though the target would be 3% which in turn means a massive property bubble burst, these properties will be cheaper than what they first started off to be, best to sell if you own one of these before the big loss kicks in
2021-11-28 13:35
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