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ZywOo top2, or at least top3
ZywOo | 
Canada BayaGoodAdam 
A lot of people dismiss ZywOo's performance because Vitality didnt win anything and ZywOo didnt get any MVP this year, but his stats are strong af, and he has bunch of EVPs. sh1ro is probably the only one who can steal the top2 spot from him, but other than sh1ro, other players are not even close to ZywOo this year. I've seen people saying that ZywOo wont get into top3 this year and even into top5, but you really have to be delusional to think that. He is either top2, or top3 this year %10000. He got EVP from these 2 events: - Blast Global Finals 2020 - EPL 14 HLTV didnt announce the EVPs of these tournaments but ZywOo will %100 get EVPs from them: - DH Masters Spring (1.53, 7-8th placing) - IEM Summer (1.36, 3-4th placing) - IEM Fall (1.37, 3rd placing) - PGL Major (1.30, 5-8th placing) - BLAST Fall Finals (1.36, 2nd placing) He also started regularly dropping 1.30+ rating, so its very unlikely that he doesnt get 2 more EVPs from IEM Winter and Blast World Finals
2021-11-29 05:12
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#1
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Europe JohnMurphy
s1mple Zywoo NiKo Hobbit sh1ro
2021-11-29 05:14
19 replies
+1, but i think sh1ro and hobbit switch places
2021-11-29 05:14
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#102
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Poland Fealis_
+1, most accurate prediction (but sh1ro over NiKo as well I think. NiKo can be higher if G2 win IEM Winter + NiKo MVP)
2021-11-29 16:29
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#108
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India Kiyago
G2 will be very unpredictable in IEM winter due to kennyS + not having the regular IGL or MaleK for that matter.
2021-11-29 17:12
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I hope they succeed tbh, Lets see how Nexa handles things and how being without Malek will turn out for them.
2021-11-29 17:18
#145
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Poland Fealis_
True. Will be fun to watch kennyS again tho
2021-11-29 18:52
#103
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Czech Republic BlastTM
+1
2021-11-29 16:28
#4
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Asia Blitzer
my top 5 a well with the fix from #2 my only doubt is between hobbit and ax1le for 5th place...
2021-11-29 05:21
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hobbit over ax1le 100% bro
2021-11-29 09:46
imo ax1le and hobbit both > NiKo. They were more consistent whole year
2021-11-29 05:41
2 replies
NiKo is more consistent but Hobbit and axile won more
2021-11-29 12:16
#94
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India gXser
But Niko didn't have any bad performances like axile on lan events
2021-11-29 13:34
Sh1ro deserves more
2021-11-29 06:53
no way hobbit gets to be above sh1ro, kinda obv aint it?
2021-11-29 09:30
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sure, i think sh1ro will be top 2 and hobbit 5.
2021-11-29 11:57
1- Simple 2- Shiro 3- 4 Hobbit or Niko 5- Zywoo (Mostly Because of last lan performance)
2021-11-29 12:56
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No sense not a lot of lans happened this year and zywoo was better than everybody expect simple
2021-11-29 17:12
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1 s1mple 2 zywoo 3 niko 4/5 sh1ro and electronic. idk which order
2021-11-29 17:18
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i agree expect i think hobbit and maybe ax1le could be higher than elec :( not sure tho idk remember their stats
2021-11-29 17:18
i think it will be s1mple sh1ro ZywOo Niko Hobbit
2021-11-29 19:17
people tuned in for pgl major and now think niko will be top 2/3. great player but was missing in first half of 2021. He wasn't in Blast Fall. Will be playing with kennyS in IEM winter. His chances is of being top 2/3 is close to zero. Zywoo on the other hand gets better the more maps he plays
2021-11-29 05:19
9 replies
yep. He'll be top6 even behind ax1le/Hobbit, im pretty sure
2021-11-29 05:41
2 replies
pretty much. electronic had similar stats in 2019 and he was top 6 hltv.org/stats/players/8918/electronic?s..
2021-11-29 05:45
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So 1. S1mple 2. Sh1ro 65% / Zywoo 35% 3. Like above 4. Ax1Le/Hobbit 5. Hobbit/Ax1Le 6. NiKo 7. Electronic
2021-11-29 17:24
Vitality was bad until EPL... Far worse than g2 9 month of the year
2021-11-29 07:29
5 replies
Vitality was bad, ZywOo wasnt.
2021-11-29 17:14
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Farm rating on group stages has 0 value
2021-11-29 18:07
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+1
2021-11-29 18:56
First of all you are wrong that vitality was bad the first half of 2021. They were bad for 4 months. hltv.org/events/5206/blast-premier-globa.. (zywoo had 1.36 in this event, just behind s1mple) Second, hltv dosen't make a distinction between playoffs and "farming group stage" whatever that means. The only reason people brought it up was because bombing out in groups means you will have less number of maps played. Now Zywoo has more or less compensated that gap in the second half of 2021. But I know you. You will cry on january 18/19 parroting the same nonsense, saying hltv "gifted zywoo top 2/3" when the fact is that s1mple got top 2 in 2019 with worse stats than zywoo in 2021
2021-12-01 07:38
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Second point. HLTV has non-public stats. They can make a difference between group stages and playoffs. OFC rating has a higher value when you perform it in playoffs. S1mple 2019 had two-player changes and a role change and still, he could perform on the highest level. And the fact is sh1ro won more they came further on major and ax1le has also 2 mvps. Then also Niko has good individual stats and reaches some finals and very often playoffs. So I have high hopes that zywho will not make it into the top 3. Also consider S1mple 2020 had a better rating than Zywho but "lost" cuz of lack of mvps (cis rmr no mvps)
2021-12-01 07:54
he still got 2 tournaments. if they can make deep run and zywoo performs then probably he is 2nd.
2021-11-29 05:21
#6
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United States TrashPanda
Wow. In a team game where a team is doing bad (Vitality), the top player from last year (Zywoo) is doing worse? Wowwwwwwww. Incredible. Sorry to sound like a dick. I just hate individual ratings in such a team dependent game. It’s all opinion at the end of the day. HLTV wants to give the top 20 to star players and “good ratings.” When in reality, imo, even mediocre IGLs hold far more impact than almost any star player outside of a few players but will never be talked about like a star player because it’s boring and not flashy.
2021-11-29 05:21
21 replies
+1
2021-11-29 05:56
#20
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Europe JohnnyPayn
+1 just look at how inflated baiting saving and exit fragging makes these awpers stats it literally has barely anything to say anymore
2021-11-29 06:35
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bruh zywoo is literally doing entry fragging on maps like ovp and inferno tf you on about baiting lmfao. ZyWoo is a one of the greatest team players in the game. Can u imagine s1mple running banana with a mac10 eating all the nades every round? You could argue that apex is an idiot for making him do that, but zywoo still does what is erquired
2021-11-29 06:58
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#40
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Asia BrianMVP
+1 and zywoo usually used a worst weapon in force buy even though he is the best player in his team.
2021-11-29 07:37
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which is pretty fucking dumb because even in these force buy situations he goes in first most of the time and could win many more rounds for his team if they would drop him a good gun.
2021-11-29 17:28
#43
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Europe JohnnyPayn
I am not talking about zywoo here
2021-11-29 08:12
It's a team game but the best player in the world title goes to the best player in the game. And you're delusional to think ZywOo and s1mple, maybe sh1ro and Niko aren't miles ahead of everyone else in terms of individual skill.
2021-11-29 07:21
Do you think karrigan/apex/boombla/dexter would get the same ratings as twistzz/zywoo/s1mple/ropz if they took on their roles? LUL merican brains.
2021-11-29 06:59
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Nah his point is that HLTV rating rewards individual fragging impact more over other factors that could possibly lead to winning a round. IGLs like gla1ve, karrigan, apEX, boombl4 make decisions regarding executes, rotations, setups which ofc influence the game but these factors cannot be measured into the HLTV rating. A player like gla1ve might not be fragging out enough in a game but would still give perfect calls to win the game, the HLTV rating may make him look like a bad player because it doesn't consider the impact of the calls that he gave.
2021-11-29 07:31
10 replies
how can you define an IGL's impact objectively?
2021-11-29 07:58
8 replies
That's the hard part, if it could be measured, it would have been included in the rating
2021-11-29 08:13
#45
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Europe JohnnyPayn
T rounds imo ..although it isn’t a good measurement at all
2021-11-29 08:13
Good executes at the right time. Good defensive setups and rotations But evem these points are not 100% Igl influenced, some teams are more strick than others and some players already have full liberty to do some calls and positions. I think what we could do for Igl's as far as individual impact goes is giving some sort of coach picked trophy or smt
2021-11-29 10:51
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Ok, so how are you supposed to write an algorithm that will objectively quantify an IGL's impact based on the things that you said? Yeah coach based on trophy could be cool, but that still depends on each coach's own interpration of how much impact they think an IGL has without hearing their comms or anything, so its still not gonna be %100 objective
2021-11-29 10:56
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We can't, like I said all we could do is give a subjective award either picked by teams coaches or community Literally impossible to measure cuz even with great calls and rotations if players ordered around don't perform then calls mean nothing. We have send plenty of stacks( good rotation call) be smashed just bcuz T player one tap everyone
2021-11-29 10:58
#93
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United Kingdom fal36
Winning
2021-11-29 13:31
2 replies
ok so NiKo was a great IGL at IEM New York just because they fluked it. gotcha
2021-11-29 20:25
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#158
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United Kingdom fal36
Winning consistently and at the highest level if you want to pedantic. Also you said yourself that it was a fluke so that explains away the idea of Niko being a good igl.
2021-12-01 06:01
I am not talking about trash 2.0 rating system my bad, i meant more along the lines of, same numbers. Like, ropz twistzz s1 zywoo all have better multi kills, entry %, clutchability etc etc. THere;s a reason they are star players. Being an IGL takes a lot of other shit, which they only do BECAUSE they have to make up for their lack of skill in some other way
2021-11-29 12:36
#52
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France iatis
+1 Navi is the better team as a whole this year, that what's matter the most. GG to them. Heroic and Gambit show great stuff. Vita, Astralis and g2 are still there. And so on.
2021-11-29 10:09
You are right in a sense but the problem is there is no objective way to measure their impact.You dont know how the team communicates fully,how much help does the igl get,you cant measure any of that similar to getting a frag or ADR.You have no idea what the igl even says other than those few moments shown on broadcast.
2021-11-29 10:29
he is 100% going to be top 2 and the people saying otherwise are delusional or trolls.
2021-11-29 05:22
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yea if you ignore the facts and event wins/mvps, he might have a chance at 2. otherwise sh1ro is the clear number 2 this year and its not even close either.
2021-11-29 12:22
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b1t | 
Russia lo0u
Of course he is. Anyone who thinks he's not at least top 3 is a moron. He's also going to have a chance to win an MVP award in the next IEM and depending on when that new lineup debuts, have a shot in the Blast Final. The only reason sh1ro is even in this conversation, is because of the online era. Because he does not belong in the same universe zywOo and s1mple live in. You can definitely make a case for niKo, because he's the best rifler ever. But sh1ro is an NPC in this conversation. The level of skill here completely different.
2021-11-29 05:26
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I dont think sh1ro is a bad player, but the rating between him and zywoo is close only because Gambit were REALLY good this year and Vitality were REALLY bad
2021-11-29 05:43
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#12
b1t | 
Russia lo0u
Yeah, that's precisely the reason. I don't think sh1ro even belongs in the same phrase as zywOo, s1mple or even niKo. But he was successful during the online era and we saw last year that mvps have a big importance when it comes to the top 20.
2021-11-29 05:45
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Kiddo please stop talking, There were far worse players in top3 than sh1ro just like baitzera and fallen lul You're just kid who rates players by flashy plays not by the decision making or the general impact on their team game Sh1ro might be not as flashy as zywoo or s1mple but he is hella consistent and almost never chokes while ChoKo farms the stats vs some bots but during most important games he is non-existing It's not sh1ro fault that Zywoo has 4 bots and can't win a single event he should learn english asap and leave this dead team Sh1ro definitely deserves top2/3 this year cuz if i'm correct he is the player with most maps with 1+ rating
2021-11-29 17:31
top 3 ugliest pros, yes
2021-11-29 05:53
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#17
b1t | 
Russia lo0u
What are you, 12? Why do you care about how he looks? smh
2021-11-29 06:00
the first russian I see on this site that doesn't sh*t on zywoo😂
2021-11-29 06:13
#99
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Sweden snuffeee
The new Vitality roster won't debut until 2022.
2021-11-29 16:05
Not only that, he was farming stats vs tier 2 teams in tournaments like v4, when you check his stats against top 10 in 2021 he has 1.19, which is still very good, but nowhere close to zywoo's 1.29 or s1mple's 1.33(?). If he gets top 2 ahead of zywoo then that's a farce.
2021-11-29 17:25
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Lol so funny but remember that Sh1ro has also 2 more star players in his team so he needs to share the team resources with them unlike Zywoo who practically eats all of his team resources It's not all about rating, Zywoo disappeared in the first half of the year and got only 1 evp award while Sh1ro dominated the scene till july
2021-11-29 17:35
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#159
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United Kingdom fal36
The part about sharing team resources is probably false. Players who have better teams have better stats. S1mples stats didn't get worse when electronic joined or when b1t joinedand Nikos stats didn't get worse when guardian and olof joined faze.
2021-12-01 06:06
Top 5: S1mple Niko (only if vitality dont make grand final of any more events on the back of zywoo) Zywoo Refresh B1t (special mention to BIG BOOM he should be very close to top 5)
2021-11-29 05:55
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#28
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Indonesia FinZzz
Refrezh wut?
2021-11-29 07:11
Niko won't be top 2 because of one godlike performance... his stats are still too weak for the year
2021-11-29 07:22
#34
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
Well 2nd place is contested between zywoo and sh1ro. Niko not 8n the picture unless he increases his ratings
2021-11-29 07:26
sh1ro top1, i think
2021-11-29 06:26
1 reply
I arent think thatz
2021-11-29 09:45
#21
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Europe JohnnyPayn
We will have to see what the rest of the year brings both vita and g2 struggled lots early in 2021 so might be that either zywoo or niko can still do arg rest of the year
2021-11-29 06:36
Agree
2021-11-29 06:58
so device out of top 5 now ? xD
2021-11-29 07:02
4 replies
nobody is surprised. Even Device fanbois admitted that he will lose his top 5 strikes. He can be lucky to be in the top 20.
2021-11-29 07:23
thats for sure. He'll be like top10/15 imo
2021-11-29 07:31
maybe he is top 10 or top 15
2021-11-29 09:47
For now but maybe 2021 rematch???
2021-11-29 10:33
#27
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Russia M31F
sh1ro top2 most mvp most rating 2.0
2021-11-29 07:11
5 replies
"most rating 2.0" delusional or stupid?
2021-11-29 07:23
HLTV doesn t care about V4 tournaments where sh1ro is farming stats HLTV cares about elite events and zywoo is miles ahead of sh1ro in those events, especially in impact rating. hltv.org/stats/players/16920/sh1ro?start.. - sh1ro hltv.org/stats/players/11893/zywoo?start.. - zywoo
2021-11-29 16:28
3 replies
Still 0 events won(((
2021-11-29 17:39
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s1mple 2019 0 events wins and he was over 2 major champion dev1ce, so your point is useless.
2021-11-29 18:41
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Nah, S1mple 2019 1 Event won 1 MVP plenty of EVPs and top4 finish at major and few other S tier events
2021-11-29 19:08
sh1ro top 2. And you shouldn't forget Niko reached major final with great personal rating. It will be a beat between Zywho and Niko for top 3.
2021-11-29 07:26
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ZywOo > Hobbit > Ax1le > NiKo
2021-11-29 07:33
9 replies
nope cuz 80% of zywho rating is only from group stages. They missed so often playoffs that his rating is useless. it is like to say Smooya top 5 cuz he smurfed vs tier 3.
2021-11-29 07:35
8 replies
tldr: delusion
2021-11-29 07:57
7 replies
facts are delusional for you okay. That is your problem not mine
2021-11-29 09:27
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#70
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Algeria he_car
What are your facts tho, ZywOo is better than sh1ro.
2021-11-29 11:51
5 replies
So why sh1ro won 6 events while Zywoo 0?
2021-11-29 17:40
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#128
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Algeria he_car
you really comparing sh1ro's team to Vitality ?
2021-11-29 17:42
3 replies
So? It's team game pal? It's sh1ro fault that frenchies are total bots at cs since 2017? He might learn english and go to the international team but he chose to sign 5 year contract with dead team lol and do you think your flair and his 28yo friend will help them? Just look at those french guys they barely speak english
2021-11-29 17:45
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#131
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Algeria he_car
top 20 rankings are 95% based on individual stats then achievements come in. no hate towards sh1ro but there is a big gap between his stats and ZywOo.
2021-11-29 17:48
1 reply
Quick reality check. Electronic had 1.20+ rating and huge impact in 2019 but Magisk was above him cuz he had better placements
2021-11-29 17:49
shiro played 32 maps against the strongest team in the world (NAVI)...ZywOo - 18 maps...and in general, Gambit played all year with stronger opponents than Vitality...and won more trophies...therefore, a small difference in statistics does not mean anything...if Gambit wins 1 of the two remaining tournaments and shiro gets the MVP, then in my opinion he deserves Top2 more...If this fails, HLTV will give preference to ZywOo...definitely...considering how they undeservedly gave Top1 2020 to ZywOo...
2021-11-29 09:46
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#58
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Russia ToughGuy
Online
2021-11-29 10:38
#69
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France iatis
Gambit played more maps in general. So you should go for a ratio. Your point is still relevent thought. But it says mostly that Gambit is a better team. Still, with ranking vs Top 20 / Top 10 / Top 5, Zywoo have better "stats". But, as I said before, you also need to take into consideration that when a team dominate, they have better economy, thus better weapon ;) I would like to see the stats with only round where both teams have 25k+ investment. That would be fair to compare individuals stats.
2021-11-29 11:20
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- But, as I said before, you also need to take into consideration that when a team dominate, they have better economy, thus better weapon ;) - Vitality played generally with weaker opponents...and more dominated...therefore, according to your own logic, the economy was better on average...so your words only confirm my thought! Sh1ro was harder to get better stats!
2021-11-29 12:14
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Against top 10 teams: Zywoo 1.28 rating 1.35 impact Shiro 1.19 rating 1.09 impact Shiro would need a LOT of trophies to make up for such a gap in individual performance
2021-11-29 12:38
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#50 - ...if Gambit wins 1 of the two remaining tournaments and shiro gets the MVP, then in my opinion he deserves Top2 more... That's what I said)
2021-11-29 12:53
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#88
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Germany Matrixrl1
achievements cant make up for everything. thats why device was 3rd in 2019 because the 2 people above are simply better and the achievements dont change that
2021-11-29 13:00
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ZywOo undeservedly got TOP1 in 2020 only thanks to fake ONLINE RMR MVPs ))
2021-11-29 13:15
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#95
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Germany Matrixrl1
maybe, but thats not the point. Achievements and MVP mainly get to consider when people are really close in terms of individual performance
2021-11-29 15:27
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For example...Top20 HLTV raiting 2021...hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01.. Hobbit - 1.18 (Top5 - 1.12 | vop10 - 1.17 | Top20 - 1.17) AxiLe -1.16 (Top5 - 1.15 | vop10 - 1.13 | Top20 - 1.14) electronic - 1.13 (Top5 - 1.12 | vop10 - 1.12 | Top20 - 1.13) Gap 0.05 - not realy close! BUT I have no doubt that electronic will be higher than Hobbit and AxiLe!
2021-11-29 15:58
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#97
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Germany Matrixrl1
he will be higher than axile but i think he will be lower than Hobbit
2021-11-29 15:59
6 replies
I think achievements at LAN tournaments will have more weight, which will allow electronic to be higher than Hobbit without any doubt...Major, GrandSlam and many other tournaments...
2021-11-29 16:02
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#100
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Germany Matrixrl1
electronic definitly has better achievements but still think Hobbit will place above him.
2021-11-29 16:23
4 replies
ELITE EVENTS 2021: hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01.. You were right...the difference is too big...but there is also BLAST Premier World Final 2021...I will hope that electronic will show incredible statistics)
2021-11-29 17:08
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#107
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Germany Matrixrl1
ye that can definitly happen if they were to win that + gambit not doing too well and electronic playing well. we will see
2021-11-29 17:10
2 replies
plus for electronic will be the best statistics on LAN tournaments hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01..
2021-11-29 17:27
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#119
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Germany Matrixrl1
true
2021-11-29 17:21
#141
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France iatis
I don't get your point. Gambit against top 20 has 65 % map win (115 / 0 / 61) Vitality against top 20 has 55 % map win (71 / 0 / 57) Yet, Zywoo has better stats. So he's doing better with less. PS : Sh1ro great year, good result, no robb if he finishes 2.
2021-11-29 18:31
The problem isnt that he didnt win anything,it is that he played a small amount of important matches against top teams like big event semis or finals.For a big part of the year he just wasnt playing deep in big events,mostly playing in groups and quaretrs that are just not as important. Its a bit hard to give a player #2 best player of the year when he wasnt relevant in top tier CS for a good time.
2021-11-29 10:22
5 replies
2 grand finals, 3 semi finals, 2 quarter finals
2021-11-29 10:29
3 replies
this is not enough for top 2 hltv,obviously.
2021-11-29 10:47
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bruh ZywOo is literally s1mple 2019 and sh1ro is device 2019 but without 2 major wins
2021-11-29 10:57
That isnt a lot lol
2021-11-29 12:59
that's a fair point.
2021-11-29 12:17
#57
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Ukraine McSwell
2021-11-29 10:38
1 reply
Their ratings are very close, but ax1le has 2 MVPs, and probably more EVPs aswell because of Gambit's early 2021 success. Unless NiKo wins an MVP from one of the last events, its not likely
2021-11-29 10:59
s1mple and zywoo not even top 10000 in my book #1 kap3r #2 daniel #3 jw #4 hns #5 cucumber
2021-11-29 10:39
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#6 tomato
2021-11-29 13:02
2 replies
you know cs
2021-11-29 13:26
1 reply
ty
2021-11-29 13:27
The last 2 events of the year will decide who is who,chill.
2021-11-29 10:43
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yep, and zywoo is guaranteed top3 also im not mad you dont need to tell me to chill lol
2021-11-29 10:59
Yep zyw00 fighting for his second place hard. Recency bias won't be enough if he has nothing but stats to show. They need another highplacing so stats become more relevant.
2021-11-29 11:03
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#71
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Algeria he_car
He doesnt have to fight for it hard, look at the differences between sh1ro and ZywOo's rating especially impact wise, it literally says a lot.
2021-11-29 11:53
#72
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Algeria TixQ
1-s1mple 2-Zywoo 3-Sh1ro 4-Niko 5-Axel 6-Device 7-Hobbit 8-B1t 9-Electronic
2021-11-29 11:53
What you fail to mention is that he's a 50 map short of sh1ro. Which is really crucial.
2021-11-29 11:56
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#104
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
maps don't matter.rating, mvp/evps etc... do. s1mple was top 4 in 2016 playing half the number of maps than other top players that year. a player getting 50 evps in 50 maps= a player getting 3 evps in 100 maps
2021-11-29 16:33
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But the problem is sh1ro has much more EVPs and MVPs than Zywoo this year
2021-11-29 18:22
well, lack of maps somewhat correlates to "lack of deeper big playoff performances and therefore lack of awards" which is crucial in ranking tbh.
2021-11-29 20:37
People missing one crucial detail - Blast global finals 2020 which happened in january 2021. Zywoo had a 1.36 rating there. Biggest advantage over sh1ro. Btw its insanse how many mvps s1mple has cock blocked zywoo (both blast tourneys, ESL)
2021-11-29 12:00
Would say, will be close. Overall I would be tempted to put Zywoo slightly over Shiro , but I'm biased of course ;) I think the way Zywoo had to carry Vitality is more impressive than Gambit achievements. And the stats difference is not "close", it's a gap (1.29 VS 1.23 is not even close for me) But wouldnt be surprised nor disappointed if shiro gets top 2. As previously said, the 2 last events will decide.
2021-11-29 12:15
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Yeah you're just a bit biased just a little bit, So carrying a team to 0 events won is more impressive than academy team becoming top1 team in few months?
2021-11-29 18:24
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Chill man, the way shiro has to carry gambit is not even comparable. Hobbit and Axile as almost the same rating (only -0,1max): hltv.org/stats/lineup/players?lineup=852.. Comparing to this : hltv.org/stats/lineup/players?lineup=122.. Cmon zywoo is literally +0.3 to misutaa who is second. They managed to stay top 10 the whole year, and top 2 currently, with 4 out of 5 people in negative rating. So from my point of view it's impressive. Considering your point of view, I guess you also put Hobbit and Axile over Zywoo so ? and if not, for what reason? Once again, it's an individual achievement, not team achievement.
2021-11-30 12:42
stats difference is 1.28 vs 1.25 in relevant events hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01.. but for zywoos defence, its 1.31 vs 1.24 in the big events of 2021 hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01..
2021-11-29 21:02
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Sorry I put the "Top 20" filter that's why ;)
2021-11-30 12:44
s1mple is pretty much guaranteed top1 this year IEM Winter and Blast Finals MVP's and performance from sh1ro and Zywoo will decide who is top2 and top3 NiKo is top4 in my list
2021-11-29 12:21
top 1 s1mple, no question top 2 sh1ro because of titles and mvps, top 3 zywoo top 4 NiKo top 5 Electronic
2021-11-29 12:55
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Umm i don't think NiKo will be top4 his rating is quite similar to Ax1Le and hobbit and their achievements are far above Niko's + they both has 2 MVPs (Ax1Le from gold tier event and silver tier) and plenty of EVPs Also electronic would be #7 at best unless he will earn BLAST MVP or some insane rating to boost his stats
2021-11-29 18:27
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yeah, maybe hobb1t top 4, ax1le 5, niko 6 and then elec, look also good :D
2021-11-29 18:30
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Absolutely i think it's the most exciting year to wait for the top20 so many new and skilled players fighting for top5 spots
2021-11-29 18:32
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true, will be a truely fight, and we cant blame hltv in this top 20 because will be very close between the players. cs has a lot of good players rn
2021-11-29 18:34
Every single statistic, known and hidden, are utilised when ranking the Top 20. Achievements help but it's the combination of team achievements and individual achievements in unison; therefore ZywOo is always going to one of the world's best individually but that amounts to nothing if your team isn't winning off of the back of this - Look at stars like XANTARES, nex, EspiranTo, etc... At the end of the day, CS:GO is a team game at its core with individual prowess at its benefit. It's fair to assume ZywOo is either Top 2 or Top 3 but I don't think anything below that is correct given how good his statistics are, there are just no MVP's to his name this year, which is a thing to take in when s1mple has 7 with arguably better statistics and sh1ro has 3 with better than average statistics.
2021-11-29 16:41
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You made such long a text without a point
2021-11-29 17:16
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Guatemala Geo25
you know the point, you just avoid the truth that in the best of cases zywoo will be top 3 and no mvps
2021-11-29 17:51
The truth has been spoken, Finally it's a team game it's obvious that for example smooya is more skilled than some player from top15-20 but he just don't have any achievements to prove his skills vs tier1
2021-11-29 18:30
s1mple zywoo sh1ro niko hobbit
2021-11-29 17:14
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Turkey orionski
very good list. i think 6/7 will be Electronic/Ax1le. not sure about the order.
2021-11-29 20:27
If s1mple top 2 2019 over device zywoo definitely top 2 this year
2021-11-29 17:15
sh1ro deserves more
2021-11-29 17:25
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Canada zizzle21
hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01.. if anyone thinks he's not top 5 ... lol
2021-11-29 17:37
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whats your point here ? HLTV doesn t work like this for top 20 of the year
2021-11-29 19:36
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Canada zizzle21
yes it does...
2021-11-30 15:45
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Canada zizzle21
hltv.org/stats?startDate=2019-01-01&endD.. the top 5 rated here were 5 of the actual top 6 lol ...
2021-11-30 15:49
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Guatemala Geo25
S1mple didn't win no 1 2020 cause his team don't won too much, his stats were better than zywoo, i personally think zywoo will be top 3
2021-11-29 17:46
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