dupreeh should've joined nip :C
It’s definitely a weird move, but it should be seen how they play first since dupreeh might have just not been motivated in Astralis
i heard vitality bosses didnt ask the players if they want such change, this could be a problem
Even not in his prime, dupreeh is much better than kyojin
I don't think it will get worse since vitality has been doing awful lately except zywoo. All of them were under 1 rating even this tournament when they came in 2nd. Shox and kyojin are really not performing. Misutaa and Apex are good for the team.
dupreeh is still one of the best entry fraggers in the game
only someone who doesn't understand cs would say otherwise. magisk is still a great anchor, not sure about t side tho
Either way this blend will be very interesting to see.
1. what? Kyojin is just not good enough, he can't even take decent decisions in the heat of the moment, he's swinging when he just has to buy time or just does dumb stuff.
2. yes, they will have to rebuild from scratch
3. apEX started to play better because he had to think a bit more about having impact, if you were following him for a long time, he had a big tendency to throw rounds by himself doing stupid moves. misutaaa was already on an upward trajectory and shox didn't play better at all because he was helping misutaaa & Kyojin a lot.
Tbh I agree about this being a terrible move just because they had to change one player to get to the top. Their structure & the whole project was looking great as they kept improving even after losing key players and molding future stars (misutaaa, Nivera, now Kyojin). Even if ZywOo has an insane impact, they played better as a team and the chemistry was great. That's why you see ZywOo shines. Because he's enjoying playing in this team.
If shox wasn't baby sitting some of the rookies so much he could have been better. The thing is Vitality didn't want to spend money on any players. Imagine if they could get hAdji as they initially wanted, or even JaCkz from G2. You'd have a complete different look because you'll just have to deal with one rookie. And to the doubters, misutaaa is still doing a lot of mistakes and you saw apEX telling him that on some rounds.
I don't know, the lineup on paper seems ok-legit but yeah, there could be so many other factors that can/could be difficult on the server.
First and main thing is the language - apEX, misutaaa and ZywOo are alright at speaking English as far as I am concerned. For dupreeh and Magisk it will be somewhat of a new experience, atleast for dupreeh who has been playing for Danish teams only. For Magisk he bas tried it before joining Astralis back in 2017 in the short time he played for OpTic - Time will tell in that matter.
Second thing is, I am not really sure how apEX is calling and if it will make dupreeh and Magisk worse or better; hopefully better! Both dupreeh and Magisk has been playing under IGLs that has been thoroughbred IGLs.
It will be interesting to see the outcome of this team if it really is the team we will be seeing in 2022!
The language barrier will certainly be an issue, and will definitely impact ZywOo's performance. But Dupreeh is still miles above shox and kyojin combined.
They will play way better
If dupreeh is washed what is Xyp and gla1ve?
You're comparing kyojin with dupreeh which makes it obvious that you don't know shit about cs. You should've made a discussion between magisk and kyojin since they both play ancor positions, so naturally magisk will be taking kyojin s positions. Now magisk is one of the 2 best ancors in cs go alongside electronic, his holds of pit on inferno or tunnels on dust are very well known. If you tell me that you unironically believe that magisk won't perdorm better than kyojin ur stupid.
Now talk about shox vs dupreeh. Yeah shox popes off once in a while but he is also the guy from Vitality who makes most stupid mistakes, gives most stupid openings to the oposing team by taking unfavourable and cocky duels and often tries to rely on the aim that he had 6 years ago but is now gone. His mechanics have worsened and he doesn't realise that. Also when hi picks up the AWP it makes me wanna close the stream cause I know he is gonna die or at best not have any impact with it. Dupreeh is much more realible, much more consistent, will never end a half on inferno with 10 ADR and might bring more calm to the team in clutch moments. Overall he is better then shox and he can entry frag as a plus.
Yeah, the language might be a problem at first but we're living in 2021 and people speak english from a very young age nowadays. It won't take long until they will be comfortable with each other.
I personally cannot wait for Vitality to make the public announcement and see this team get to the top of CS
looks like apEX really dislikes kyojin though
N0vera, go to valulrant and don't talk about cs ever again.
i think they are not gonn last cuz of personnal issues, just imaging ahving to hear apex raging in french when you are losing and you have 4 majors and are like 28... not worth it
Bookmarked , cya in 6 months .
It’s almost a funnily bad move. Just imagine the personality conflict between the usually reserved Danes and apex. I see almost no world where this move works tbh.
I think that dupreeh and magisk are in better form than kyo and shox right now, but language bareer thing and team chemistry overall makes me feel uncomfortable about this project. Apex is still not as experienced as other tier 1 igls and he needs to switch languages and the whole system now, zywoo will be fine I think, misutaaa speaks well rn but he can have some comms problems after switching aswell because of stress, lack of experience (esp on LAN) etc
incredible how xtqzzz doesn't get any blame for how much of a shitshow vitality has been this year. they came into 2021 as the best team.
dupreeh was a Top10 player last year, even after being a hard entry rifler. Players left for breaks (burnout), rosters kept chanding, he lost motivation, and yet he kept up his performance.
Magisk was also Top10 last year, is only 23, and already a Major MVP + 3 times major winner. He can IGL and win tournaments, he is a godlike anchor as well as dual entry rifler.
Zonic is one of the greatest coaches ever, and the chemistry between magisk, dupreeh, zonic is as strong as ever. It will work out.
I'm not sure it's going to work either but it's going to be really interesting.
I do think Dupreeh and Magisk's form is worth bringing attention to. Obviously neither player is close to their best atm. Dupreeh's age is also a little bit concerning and anyone stating that Dupreeh is obviously going to be good on this team is delusional. It's very much in question based on their current form and potential communication issues.
Buuuttt... Both players have done enough that it was absolutely 1000% worth the flyer that Vitality is taking on them. The upside is Big Event / Major winning and you don't need them to be at their 2018 levels for this to be worth it. You just need them to hopefully be fairly significant upgrades over Kyojin and Shox.
Kyojin only had bad impact after his arrival. Because he is an unreliable anchor on CT side and a bad map controller on T side, he is always getting babysitted by shox which in turn takes away from the tactical depth that Vitality could have and also the resources during the match. Just about any washed up player will be an upgrade over Kyojin, and there is no intangible impact that Kyojin has in the game, there is only downsides. Being mechanically gifted doesn't help when your game sense is 0 and you have no experience
dupreeh and magisk >.all vitality beside zywoo
They are a good duo but im not sure how they will fit on that team. We shall see
I think signing Dupreeh is a mistake but we should let them play first before we judge loool.
dupreeh is not washed at all lmao
magisk since igl times has not been performing as normal tho
How can you say that, dude?
Dupreeh and Magisk were both Top10 players last year too, whilst being riflers. Dupreeh is a hard entry rifler and still manages 1.1 ratings against best teams, unlike shox who is 1.00 rated lurker/AWPer. Even when gla1ve,xyp9x left, they still played and won events with dupreeh, magisk carrying. Magisk is a very capable IGL as well, in addition to being a Major MVP, and only 23 yo. Zonic knows how to manage teams well. Even this year when Astralis fell apart, dupreeh and magisk have been individually good. Why so much negativity?
it dosent matter shoxes preformence, because he wont be there, mistusa will. an absolute crime, sure, but thats what the reports say.
dupreh > kyo
magisk > shox
how can they ruin Vita ?
they need a lot of time to work together but im sure that in 2021 vita will be a better contented to navi who is easily top1 rn
First of all, Dupreeh is hardly washed. This year he performs below his usual level because Astralis itself has complications in frequent roster changes and players leaving temporarily.
Second, you conveniently left out Magisk who is still arguably a top 5 rifler in the world (at least when he is not IGLing). But I guess cause it doesnt suit your narrative you didnt talk about him
Third, the english language is the easiest language to learn. And if players who has previous experiences of speaking english (eventho its not as fluent) then they can easily learn it quickly. Apex is already fluent. Zywoo is pretty ok when you listen to his last interview on PGL, misuta also speaks some english through playing FPL. So all of them has some level of understanding and given the time until early next year, they can def improve drastically.
Fourth, the astralis trio are still a part of the greatest csgo team to has ever touched the game. They have TONS of experiences in the big stage, they can bring new ideas to implement in Vitality's gameplan (especially magisk and zonic since they played with glaive before), and of course the overall firepower they bring. Mind you, these are the same players who make it top 20 consistently every year and was ranked 10th and 11th respectively just a year before. You are severely underestimating these guys
Vitality should keep the current roster. They are doing great
People contributing so much a baiting thread!!
apex + dupreeh rage is everything i wanna see from vitality.
not washed and maybe they will learn french honhonhonhonhonhonhon
this dupreeh ruin any team
We're obviously talking about another "hltv expert" who knows SOOO much more than org's like Vitality and Astralis ...
Or maaaaaaaybe ...
We will see dupreeh and Mag1sk get new inspiration and revive themselves, we will see the highest rated player EVER working with the BEST coach ... and if anyone is even close to Gla1ve, it is Apex.
In other words: It MIGHT work!
Otherwise I don't think they would try it out.
Let's see how it goes, shall we?
Instead of these "doomsday clever predictions/Mr. Know Everything" on hltv. I'm sick'n tired of them.
I don’t think they’ll even be top 5 with them.
Imagine thinking kyojin is better than dupreeh
Here's an actual counter argument.
1) zywoo will benefit from having 2 world class players with him. Dupreeh is a great player, his stats suffered when he tried awp and he was pissed that Astralis was not leading anywhere.
Currently zywoo is hard carry, shox is the only experienced guy, apex I guess is having a peak now but i doubt that's sustainable. Misuta inconsistent, kyojin as well.
Dev1ce said that Dupreeh is by far the most talented player in entire Astralis.
Zywoo is the star and things will be set up around him still, Magisk and Dupreeh are able to do that.
Zonic as well, I am hopeful for that, giving Zonic a one of 2 best players ever to play the game sounds scary.
2) zonic, dupreeh and magisk are likely to be hungry to prove that they are not the reason Astralis was failing.
Sure, English will be a struggle at start but I am hopeful for it. Zywoo deserves to have world class players with him.
I honestly hope raging apex won't be primary IGL, I hope magisk gets that.
Way I can see it failing is that apEX no filter rage brings down dupreeh as he is emotional and makes magisk punch apEX in the face so hard he'll need a world class dentist to put his mouth in place.
If someone as professional as Shox said that apEX can be hard to work with you can assume it's at least 10x harder.
I kinda hoped that shox stays and apex goes tbh....
Vitality coach likely already has piles of offers, if Zonic comes you have to move, as simple as that.
Vitality's goal is to be nbr 1 and beat Navi, win the Major. They were not going to do it with their current line-up and are wasting Zywoo's talent. There is no french-speaking talent to fill the roles they need.
There were 4x Major winners coach in Zonic and entry & secondary AWPer dupreeh, and 3x Major winner anchor & secondary caller in Magisk.. about to become free agents (therefore no buying clause). Those are exactly the roles/positions Vitality have been weak/inconsistent at for the last year.
Of course there is a language barrier that will take some time to fully bypass.. but surely no longer than 6 months. It doesn't mean that until July 2022 Vita will be crap. It means that they won't untap their full tactical potential from day 1. It will take time to learn how everyone plays, how strats are executed, how comms are made, how clutches are dealt with..
But it's what Vita need to do to ensure Zywoo's sick talent and performances do not go to waste. When you have a Zywoo or a s1mple, you do whatever needs to be done to surround them by the right team. G2 is trying to do the same with NiKo.
Unfortunately France is not Denmark or CIS (I know it's a region), there is limited Tier 1 talent potential. Same applies to other French speaking countries. There isn't an unlimited pool of talent.. what you see is the best there is. In today's meta it's just not enough to win in LAN vs the best teams, even if Zywoo drops 30 bombs or "cancels out" s1mple in the server.
I do not know what are your expectations for Vita, but they surely are lower than the org itself thus why you can't understand the rumored moves. I suspect tho that it's a hot take based on IEM Winter..
No. They will have some problems in the beginning in terms of communication, but they will get scarier overtime. Zywoo need to realize, he can't win a major with full French squad. This Danes mix might not be an answer, but will be a Better team than current vitality roster.
zywoo just need to learn to count to five in english and Dead
The only thing washed here is your fucking brain i'd say.
If a team which had an era, is doing bad atm, it doesnt necessarily mean the players are washed up. It means team's system isn't really working well and if you've been following csgo lately, you should know that astralis had burnout, which led players to lose motivation (it just became too boring and not enjoyable after they f'd everyone in the ass for 2 years) and on top of that they had roster changes (signing players from tier 2 scene). Dupreeh and magisk are still legit star players and are definitely better than shox and kyojin.
?????? dupreeh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kyojin
All zywoo needs is reliable players. I dont think that you can find someone better that magisk and dupreeh at their role. Misuta is a very talented player, but inconsistent. Zonic could help him improve his consistency, he has the skill to be a top player next to zywoo.