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North America Scrickasaurus 
Now that NAF is staying, just how much of a shakedown does the Liquid roster get? The assumptions seem to be -Fallen -Stew +Nitr0 But how likely are these? +shox - seems less likely now that NAF extended +VINI - heard literally one report about this, do we have any evidence that talks are continuing? -Grim - Stewie kind of threw Grim under the bus, but Stewie's leaving anyway. Maybe the rest of the team thinks he's a worthwhile player to keep? And has there been any talk of where oBo and RUSH might end up? I'm amazed they haven't been in anyone's conversations. oBo has star potential and RUSH is a stable piece that a lot of teams kind of need, especially if they need more in-game mental stability.
2021-11-29 18:57
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#1
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United States qoietsammy
I'm joining
2021-11-29 18:58
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Same
2021-11-29 18:58
#3
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Brazil williamhsk1
Stewie is leaving
2021-11-29 18:59
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Yeah, I could have formatted my post better. I'm assuming Stewie is leaving since he did his whole "tell all" interview. But the rumored roster moves in the middle (shox/VINI/Grim) are the ones I have significant doubts in, esp. now that NAF resigned
2021-11-29 19:01
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maybe stewie stay after all.
2021-11-29 19:02
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It is possible... the list of good players for him to rebuild EG with just got a lot smaller with NAF resigning with Liquid
2021-11-29 19:02
I think he is more likely to be kicked than he is deciding to stay... he's been playing badly for a long time...
2021-11-29 19:07
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that is fair, although his form in the last few months has been markedly better than the first half of the year
2021-11-29 19:11
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In my opinion he is known in football as "Player of seasons", very inconsistent, he needs 5 bad matches to make 1 good match...
2021-11-29 19:14
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I get the idea, but the ratio of 1 good match to 5 bad matches seems extreme. If that was true he'd be rocking like a .9 or worse rating on the year, and he's 1.02 for a year where he was IGLing half the time But he is inconsistent, I'll agree to that
2021-11-29 19:18
#4
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Brazil EversonFR
Liquid 2022 nitr0 oSee EliGE NAF VINI ez top 3 major
2021-11-29 19:00
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+1 goated team
2021-11-29 19:06
I love how it looks, but I'm not at all convinced oSee wants to budge from ES. Qualifying for EPL15 is by far their best result in months, and they haven't even fully acclimated floppy to the roster
2021-11-29 19:11
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I wish oSee would leave for a true tier 1-possible roster, but I agree. I doubt it'll happen.
2021-11-29 21:00
Floppy over Vini, but this team is ideal
2021-11-29 21:02
osee or any non-washed awper from eu would make huge difference shox,naf,vini trio doesn't make too much sense tbh, -shox +awp would be good
2021-11-29 19:00
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Agreed. Or if they grab another highly skilled rifler, then nitr0 could go back to AWP igl'ing like he did in the Grand Slam days. They could pull a G2 and rely on their rifling skill to get them decent placings. Not a proven formula, but it did work in the past Honestly keeping Grim wouldn't be a terrible idea, unless he's really as bad as Stew implied
2021-11-29 19:05
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Stewie didn’t say grim was bad at all. He said grim doesn’t fit the roles he’s been put in. Very different things.
2021-11-29 19:08
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He also said that you still need to hold Grim's hand and he didn't learn as quickly as Liquid would've liked
2021-11-29 19:12
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Based on his tweets that further explained what he meant, it’s clear that he was saying that grim was kinda thrown into the deep end without being liquids first choice. They had to hold his hand to keep him from drowning, just as any pro would if you completely changed everything about their role on the team. He further clarified that he still thinks grim is the best up and coming talent in NA, so I don’t really know how everyone came to the conclusion that stew thinks he’s trash.
2021-11-29 19:27
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I didn't say Stew thought Grim was trash, but those tweets are a far cry from how convinced he sounded (or rather, didn't) about Grim's quality when he did the HLTV interview. Regardless of what Stew meant, as I said, I don't think Grim has been that bad. He might get more favorable roles in the shakeup if they keep him around.
2021-11-29 19:30
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He certainly hasn’t been at LNZ-Kyojin levels
2021-11-29 21:06
liquid: elige nitr0 shox vini naf
2021-11-29 19:01
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rather sign some capable awper instead of shox and the team could work
2021-11-29 19:02
#11
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United States qoietsammy
who awps? nitr0?
2021-11-29 19:02
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both shox and nitr0 are secondary awpers so any of these can use
2021-11-29 19:03
#9
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Russia belorybitsa
It's EliGE, NAF, nitr0, shox +1, most likely an AWPer, but I don't know whom will they take, since oSee probably doesn't want to leave ES.
2021-11-29 19:02
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Pwnalone
2021-11-29 19:48
#14
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Canada loldougie
oBo will just get homesick and leave Europe, huge liability for any team. RUSH is a great option, but as #9 said, they need an awper. oSee would make the most sense, especially since extra salt has been choking hard lately.
2021-11-29 19:04
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Agreed on all, although ES' run at EPL Conference was actually good. That result might convince oSee even more to stick with the project esp since they don't know just how good they can be with floppy. Not saying he should, but it does seem likely.
2021-11-29 19:08
who cares, irrelevant team
2021-11-29 19:05
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#22
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Canada loldougie
??? Reply needs to have actual content
2021-11-29 19:09
#21
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China $harlen
I think -stew -fallen -grim and keep elige and build the roster around naf and elige
2021-11-29 19:09
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Right, but the details of that rebuild are kind of the question here
2021-11-29 19:13
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#34
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China $harlen
+s1mple again ez major finalists again
2021-11-29 19:19
Liquid is adding MalbsMd Source: trust me bro
2021-11-29 19:10
#24
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Chile 1cristiaan
nitr0 NAF EliGE oSee floppy
2021-11-29 19:10
The best options for liquid is -steven10am -fall3n +nitr0 as igl +oSee as an awper If they'll take both shox and vini the roster will be dead even more than before.
2021-11-29 19:12
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True, I guess I'm more curious about what is likely to actually occur, since oSee leaving ES really seems unlikely
2021-11-29 19:14
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osee = overrated
2021-11-29 19:20
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Sure, but an overrated oSee is still better than any other available NA AWP
2021-11-29 19:21
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nah stewie is literally a better awper than osee.
2021-11-29 19:21
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That seems like quite a stretch. What's your evidence?
2021-11-29 19:24
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I destroyed osee in a pug actually multiple pugs while stewie Destroyed me in multiple pugs. That's my evidence. I = better awper than osee..
2021-11-29 19:28
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osee = bait teammate with awp and bait teammate. stew = run in like champion
2021-11-29 19:29
at the moment i can only see Elige nitr0 NAF VINI would be a good one, but I don't know if he is willing to venture into communication in another language, as FURIA had difficulty when he added junior to the team. I can't see shox on this team. honestly, I would put oSee or junior awp and someone for support, I can't think of this fifth player.
2021-11-29 19:19
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That is true, although VINI has probably the best English of anyone on FURIA (or maybe second after arT) but it would still be a massive career change I can't see shox on the team either. That makes the least sense of all the potential roster rumors I've heard.
2021-11-29 19:22
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I don't know about the VINI English level and I can't rate it either hahahaha (you know better) who would you like to see along with Elige NAF and nitr0?
2021-11-29 19:27
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I personally wouldn't mind seeing RUSH (he likes NAF/would like to play with him again, and he could deal with being in a team with EliGE I think since he's used to playing with big egos) as a supportive element, and then bring in oSee as your high-firepower AWPer. Currently, what I see as most likely is EliGE, nitr0, NAF, Grim, and probably another supportive element like RUSH or VINI who can play different roles and doesn't have a big ego. nitr0 AWP/IGL's in the hopes that their rifling can carry them like in the Grand Slam days.
2021-11-29 19:39
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Do you, who follows the NA scene more closely, think that grim playing a role other than a supporting role could have an evolution in the game? I don't know RUSH very well, I can't comment on it, but looking at the stats it doesn't seem like bad support.
2021-11-29 19:44
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From what I know of Grim, yes - he would do better if his role allowed him to take more space and play aggressively, like EliGE, but can't since EliGE is on the team. Still, Stewie leaving could open up some space for Grim to take, and he could ditch some of the tough/supportive spots for someone like RUSH or VINI who don't have as much mechanical skill but are disciplined players with minimal ego. RUSH would be a big benefit for the team's mental stability. He can handle most roles decently, and he's mature enough to handle big egos. Honestly he'd be a great coach in the future, but his skill isn't gone yet.
2021-11-29 19:55
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thanks for the exchange of ideas and conversation. you seems to be a nice guy.
2021-11-29 20:27
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No problem, you do too! I enjoyed talking with you
2021-11-29 20:58
#36
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Sweden Zeepter
Elige Nitr0 NAF Magisk Dupreeh -bot2k -Fallen -Grim
2021-11-29 19:20
Nitro Elige Naf Brehze Cerq But will probably be nitro igl/awp and +Vin. I hope they don’t get shox. If this was 5 years ago I’d be all about shox but he can’t frag anymore tried igl failed at that also. Hopefully he’s joining liquids Val team with scream again.
2021-11-29 19:28
-fallen + you hltv user
2021-11-29 19:28
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God no thanks, I doubt EliGE and I would get along
2021-11-29 19:40
I anticipate the old core coming back for sure with NAF, elige, and nitro. The question of the other two kinda comes to whether or not grim stays. If not, I’d suspect osee or an SA awp will take his place (saffee or malbs) and they bring in shox as support with nitro. Seems like a solid roster to me tbh. In the case that grim stays, they probably add another awp and just move grim to stewies roles. Also seems like a pretty decent roster. Grim gets more space and liquid gets a good awp. I hope they end up with this roster: Elige Naf Grim oSee Nitro I want them to stay NA for obvious reasons (flag) but also because that’s the brand they have in cs and I can’t see it being beneficial for them to betray that brand identity.
2021-11-29 19:32
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That's basically the best case scenario roster I have in mind as well.
2021-11-29 19:40
I dont think they will keep Grim. Elige did an interview at the beginning of the year. Mostly, he said that Grim was not really ready for t2, he had a lot of things to improve. Not in Stewie fashion, but still, I don't think so. To be optimal, Grim should play Elige's roles and you know that won't happen.
2021-11-29 19:37
EliGE NAF shox VINI nitr0
2021-11-29 19:46
I don't understand why nitro is being seen as a good option here... but i think liquid is going to get an awper: oSee, maybe kenny if he perform well at IEM Winter -grim +vini -fallen +Osee/kenny -stew + ???
2021-11-29 19:49
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I think the question about nitr0 really is, is there a better NA IGL option? If you believe Stew is better, that's fair, but since he's leaving there are really no better options. I think nitr0 is a notably better option than Stanislaw, for instance.
2021-11-29 21:04
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many comments about fallen being out of the meta, but what about nitr0 then? I really don't see any improvement in this aspect. if oSee is a possibility they can bring JT too...
2021-11-29 22:45
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+oSee +JT could be fun, although JT's firepower is suspect. The issue with Fallen (as it relates to Liquid specifically) is that his vision for how the game should be played doesn't align with the rest of the team, and it sounds like multiple players on the team took issue with his calls. He might be more in-meta than nitr0, but nitr0 knows how to work half of this roster already. Tradeoffs I think, Fallen is not clearly superior
2021-11-29 23:01
nitr0 led them during their most successful period. He's pretty young... And certainly will be respected in the team I think his addition is the one that excites NA the most
2021-11-29 21:22
CIS awper or junior tbh
2021-11-29 23:02
honestly shox and vini is a terrible idea. i believe nitr0 should try awping again, he was a beast at it. plus i think they should start grinding overpass, the level of play on the map has fallen off a bit. as for the other players i wouldnt even mind just -fallen, maybe they could re-implement the system they had (kinda). and fallen could go to whatever other team he wants to.
2021-11-29 23:06
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