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Criterias in considering an era are what exactly? -Consistency -Longevity -Major Wins -How many S-tier tournaments won in specific time -Being at least top 4 in every tournament for straight 2 years(debatable) I believe squeezing an era within a year is not fair for any team,so LG/SK could possibly have possibly had an era
2021-11-30 11:04
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Ukraine Slavv_Boss
-Yes -Yea, I would say 10+ months of TOTAL domination, or 1y + of not total domination -at least 1 -not a very good question, different years have different amounts of t1/ts events -debatable
2021-11-30 11:08
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Even if TL had won a major would it have been considered an era tho? Lets assume they did not win anything after Berlin but they did win that event,cus in my book it still is not considered having an era,i mean Na Vi does not have an era if they win Blast Global and first upcoming tournament like Kato 2022 then we should reconsider
2021-11-30 11:12
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#11
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Ukraine Slavv_Boss
I think, and this is also how majority thinks, TL didn’t have an era. They just had a very good(I would even say dominant) run for few months. And after that, we know what happened Many ppl, say that we live in Navi era atm, and I cannot fully see how it’s an era. We are on a way to it, but I don’t think we reached it yet
2021-11-30 11:16
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I concur even 1 more event and a major is enough to make a Na Vi era but i still think second major is a must
2021-11-30 11:19
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Ukraine Slavv_Boss
Ok, but imagine if next major doesn’t happen till mid 2022(just imagine), and Navi win every event that they attend. What then?
2021-11-30 11:20
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Then its an era for sure i mean if they win like 3-4 straight even what i mean is even if they dont win anything besides a major next year still could be called an era
2021-11-30 11:22
of course SK had an era
2021-11-30 11:09
We are living in navi's era right now (Grand Slam , major, multiple LAN tournament wins , 20 weeks at no 1 and still counting. )
2021-11-30 11:10
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#6
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Norway Norvegiya2k
0 series lost on lan
2021-11-30 11:12
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Yes +1
2021-11-30 11:37
To me not yet an era still needs more tournaments and months i believe,1 more major win to endorse it would be pretty cool,they can even surpass Astralis with another major addition cus im pretty sure they will at least win 2-3 lan event in 2022
2021-11-30 11:14
LAN has been back 1 month. 1 month era kek
2021-11-30 11:17
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pretty sure there were still online tournaments happening?
2021-11-30 11:43
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Online invironment is different and doesn’t count. Everybody can hold angles and do good from the comfort of your house. An era can only be established in LAN invironment.
2021-11-30 13:25
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from saying its different to saying it doesn't count is a great exaggeration =DDDDDDD
2021-11-30 14:11
#20
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France FanchD
Not yet, this is way to early to call this the Navi era
2021-11-30 11:22
old VP era xd
2021-11-30 11:11
#7
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France FanchD
I don't think LG/SK had an era, sure they won both major in 2016 but didn't win a lot of other tournament to have an era that year, complete opposite of what they did in 2017. Imo only NiP, Fnatic and Astralis had eras
2021-11-30 11:12
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But as i say to squeez it within a year is a fair criteria?
2021-11-30 11:13
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#13
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United States IdolaMochi
It has to be in a row, you cant win 4 Tournaments in the begining of the year and 4 Tournaments at the end and called it an era
2021-11-30 11:18
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Then can we say Astralis pretty much are the only ones with era cus they did all that within a year?
2021-11-30 11:19
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#18
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United States IdolaMochi
I mean Fnatic era is almost identical to Astralis
2021-11-30 11:21
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But 2015 had a lot more events than 2021 if we consider everything fairly right? Almost doubling the amount of 2021
2021-11-30 11:23
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#25
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United States IdolaMochi
I dont undurstand why you compare 2015 to 2021 in that aspect
2021-11-30 11:25
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im just trying to understand and take a look at it from every aspect bro
2021-11-30 11:26
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#28
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United States IdolaMochi
But what are you doing by comparing 2015 and 2021 ?
2021-11-30 11:26
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How many S tier events do you think Na Vi would have won if we had 30 of them in 2021? this is why im comparing bro
2021-11-30 11:27
#17
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France FanchD
Yeah I doesn't feel like an era if a team dominate only at some moments of the year and not in it's entirety
2021-11-30 11:20
-Consistency -Longevity the rest comes with that
2021-11-30 11:22
#22
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Spain VIKTORAL
Only 3 eras in cs: -NIP -Fnatic -Astralis Na'Vi not yet. \closed
2021-11-30 11:23
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So many events prior to Covid,almost 30 events in all years before 2020 why dont we include Na Vi with this amount of tournaments then?
2021-11-30 11:24
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#31
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Spain VIKTORAL
Because that's not how it works. Era is knowing every single tournament that team is going to win. Navi never had an era because prior 2021 there were always other teams you could look up to win tournaments. It's about being dominant during a period of time.
2021-11-30 11:27
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Only dominance for a specific period of time? So we have to shorten the time barrier?
2021-11-30 11:29
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Sweden EntonXD
being the undisputed best team for a while, like fnatic in 2015 and early 2016, sk in the summer of 2017, astralis 2018-2019. nip 2012-2014. id say navi is on par with the summer of sk right now.
2021-11-30 11:25
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so overall should be considered not 1 year?
2021-11-30 11:27
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#32
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Sweden EntonXD
what?
2021-11-30 11:27
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like sk/lg had not won a tourney for 9 months but you still consider it an era overally i mean 2 years right?
2021-11-30 11:28
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#38
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Sweden EntonXD
2021-11-30 11:32
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But winning major in an era is a huge factor and a huge question mark cus SK/LG won 2016 majors but almost nothing else in 2016
2021-11-30 11:33
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#41
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Sweden EntonXD
i dont know what youre on about
2021-11-30 11:34
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Read the entire topic carefully
2021-11-30 11:36
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#66
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Sweden EntonXD
why should i waste time trying to understand broken english
2021-11-30 13:20
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Your english is way worse since you cant even understand 'broken' english, and btw theres no such word as 'broken' suitable as the part of sentence there.
2021-11-30 13:24
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#72
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Sweden EntonXD
sorry i hurt your ego
2021-11-30 13:26
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Nah my ego is fine bro,you hurt you're just trying to boost your ego by downgrading a person you've never met irl.
2021-11-30 13:27
u are missing an important part of what we are saying as navi fans this is an era but AND BIG BUT its the beginning if navi continue to win then it will be the beginning of an era wether or not you have an era you can still acclaim to starting an era.
2021-11-30 11:27
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I believe era yet to come not era atm bro
2021-11-30 11:32
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its like you didnt read what i said It can BE THE START of an era i never said its an era but get something into ur noggin an era HAS a Beginning, Peak and End.Im not trying to be rude but you just didnt read what i said in the slightest.
2021-11-30 13:05
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You just said the era started on your previous comment? ''u are missing an important part of what we are saying as navi fans this is an era'' ??
2021-11-30 13:07
If you're not winning it all, you're not having an era. Consistent TOP4 at tournaments can be gotten by 4 of the same teams. Would you really be ready to call any of those teams as having an era?
2021-11-30 11:30
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i mean imagine a team winning 10 tournaments in 2 years 7 of them being in that specific year and 3 of them being in the next year lets say 1 of these 3 tournaments is a major win also.Can we consider this as an era?
2021-11-30 11:32
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As long as you're winning like 95% of your maps across even 6 months would be enough for an era, 6 months is not just a hot streak you had for 1 tournament, it's more like 6 tournaments with how many tournaments are in CS But to emphasise, I really don't think consistent top4 solidifies an era, any of those 4 teams could be just as good as the team "having an era" so how would you call an era to any of those consistent top 4 teams, even if one of them wins a major.
2021-11-30 11:35
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Then its a shear dominance in short time not like what SK/LG did?
2021-11-30 11:36
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I'm not sure if SK/LG roster won anything other than consecutive majors, as I didn't follow CS as much then, but 2 major wins don't equal an era, even if they're consecutive. You could suck ass between the majors and still win them, like what G2 could have done if Navi wasn't so damn good nowadays.
2021-11-30 11:41
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2016 not but 2017 they won many
2021-11-30 11:42
2021-11-30 11:36
#50
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
This is my take on what depicts an era: hltv.org/forums/threads/2547627/what-def.. Longevity + How dominant one is.
2021-11-30 11:44
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Nice thread,what do you think of Na Vi then? Both dominance and majors still think era yet to come?
2021-11-30 11:46
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#52
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
I think it's safe to assume Na'Vi are now attempting to achieve this feat, so I've enjoyed watching just how dominant Na'Vi is currently. ^^ They've definitely got the dominance part down, it's just longevity now and there are more factors this time due to the online-era slowly being phased out now. The true dominance part only started after Na'Vi acquired B1T, as Gambit were indomitable for a short role while Na'Vi were trying to find their footing. EDIT: Typographical error.
2021-11-30 11:58
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Do you think Blast Groups are considered S-Tier event ör no? According to liqupedia they are
2021-11-30 12:51
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#64
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Yeah, most definitely. The talent-pool in BLAST was stacked and the production never ceases to amaze me. :D At the moment, ESL and BLAST are carrying Tier-S tournaments and usually it's to do with the talent and ranked teams at the tournament.
2021-11-30 13:19
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then well count them as S-Tier tournament towards Na Vi
2021-11-30 13:23
I have been saying for a long time there have only been two eras in CS history.. Maybe 3 if you push it. An era should be something special. If you say someone has an era every time they are number one on HLTV ranking or win a tournament. then why even bother. then the word will have no meaning in CS. it will be empty. same as getting a kill. every can get it out of the blue.
2021-11-30 12:58
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Can you please define an era in more specific way? This is why i opened this topic
2021-11-30 12:57
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When a team changes the game.. So a lot of what you said is in that, but an era to me is not a checklist.. Like have to have 10 tournament wins. 1 major. top 4 for 12 months.. Even if those are a big part of having an era, I do not think it should be reduced to a checklist. But changing the game, lets take Astralis. the team that have had the greatest era. They changed the game 3 times in their run. and it got better every time. They are the reason the game is so good right now. why teams work so well together why we get so good CS. Before that it was way more just 5 single players running around ( a bit moderation with that but ) And they dominated the scene, it was always just Astralis that would win because no one was close to doing what they did. and no one have been since. They did more than others before, during and since. It was something special. something you do not see, something that is very hard to do. That is an era. game changing.. something that is more about just winning, something that you have to be a very special team to achieve. And with that, you will ofc have to win tournaments, majors, and be high in the ranking for a long time, because you wont be something special if you are not that.
2021-11-30 13:03
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So by that you are saying only Astralis had a real era? And maybe Fnatic cus back in the day they were meta-changers too?
2021-11-30 13:05
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As said.. I think two teams had an era. NIP because when CS-GO started they brought cs into the professional scene. They went full time. they forced the other teams to change. NIP won everything without being a super team, they where just better because they where full time, and where the most professional about it. And until other teams did the same did that change. So they won alot, and forced CS to become more professional. And even though their win streaks and such is not as impressive as Astralis because of the competition they faced, its still very very impressive, and again a very important thing for CS over all.
2021-11-30 19:29
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Those teams I am sure about I would call "Era" But I did say maybe 3. so there are a few teams where the debate could be have, because they might be close. FNC is one of them.
2021-11-30 19:30
#59
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Germany Ryuzth
Winning 2 majors in a row
2021-11-30 13:05
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This criteria only cannot be the sole factor bro sorry
2021-11-30 13:08
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#62
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Germany Ryuzth
it is the major factor tho
2021-11-30 13:09
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no matter how many S-Tier event you'd win wont be sufficient to have an era you say am i right?
2021-11-30 13:17
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#65
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Germany Ryuzth
Depends on a lot of other factors too, I'm just saying that winning 2 majors in a row is the most important factor imo
2021-11-30 13:20
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Even if a team wins 20 S-Tier tourneys in a row without major cannot be considered having an era according to you then?
2021-11-30 13:25
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#75
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Germany Ryuzth
That's not even a point since its impossible to win 20 "S-Tier" tournaments in a row and not include at least 2 majors in between them... No team will ever do that feat not even old astralis or old fnatic did that with their dominante eras... The record holder for the most "S-Tier" tournaments wins in a row is from fnatic 2015-2016 roster with 6 "S-tier" tournaments in a row, failing the 7th which was the major where their era died and the luminosity/sk gaming era started. GL waiting for a team to win 20 S-Tier tournaments in a row :)
2021-11-30 13:36
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I just rounded out a number bro i know thatll never happen,and plus what i mean is in a year not in a row lets presume you win 12 events in 1 year but not in a row without major,is that still not considered an era?
2021-11-30 13:33
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#77
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Germany Ryuzth
That's 2019 Liquid for you :)
2021-11-30 13:35
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Are you serious? They've only won 5 out of 21 S-Tier events lol,what if they won 12 out of 21? Thats what im saying
2021-11-30 13:37
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#79
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Germany Ryuzth
They still need to win the major imo You can't really say that you had an era if you failed to win the most important tournament. Edit: This also applies in many other sports
2021-11-30 13:41
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I see. Thank you for your opinion.
2021-11-30 13:41
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#81
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Germany Ryuzth
Thank you too for your time mens)))
2021-11-30 13:42
#74
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Sweden cslipo
I think nip have a era right now
2021-11-30 13:30
It's coronavirus era
2021-11-30 13:45
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