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tier 1 teams atm
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Norway chaoticway 
NaVi Heroic G2 Vitality Astralis Faze Nip Gambit I'd put MOUZ but atm they're too shaky (the order of the teams is random)
2021-11-30 13:24
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-nip -faze -mouz
2021-11-30 13:25
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why nip and faze?
2021-11-30 13:26
Faze and NIP still put up fight and close maps against those other teams what do you mean :D
2021-11-30 13:32
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They always lose so imo they are tier 1.5 at best
2021-11-30 14:54
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xd
2021-12-01 18:20
NIP won IEM fall europe with bot lnz
2021-12-01 18:34
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I actually.liked Lnz
2021-12-01 18:36
#33
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Germany Ryuzth
+1
2021-11-30 13:45
they are tier 1 teams but like the weakest of tier 1
2021-11-30 13:51
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North America jcoN
+1 still top 10, NAVI S+ tier tho
2021-11-30 15:02
NiP should be kept for now imo
2021-11-30 15:11
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it's honeymoon period that got them up. That's it, Rez is half of what he was on that period, dev1ce had one good tournament and is in steady decline since, hampus still only plays for him self and does not call the team.... They have potential, that's it.
2021-11-30 15:25
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Norway Norvegiya2k
OPLANO
2021-11-30 13:25
Fnatic as well maybe?
2021-11-30 13:25
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at the moment*
2021-11-30 13:26
IEM Winter will tell if they are tier1 material
2021-11-30 13:26
6 replies
hope they will be. More good teams, more good matches
2021-11-30 13:52
5 replies
+1
2021-11-30 14:28
+1 lets hope shuffle works out for many teams and we will have good competition in 2022.
2021-11-30 14:52
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+1 its nice to see navi and s1mple finally being on top after such long time but for my viewing experience i hope that more teams can be conpeting for titles, not just playing lottery who doesnt have to face navi till the final. However i dont want navi to drop off, i hope they keep pushing their level as high as they can. I just hope teams catch up and we dont have an era where it obvious who is going to win. Id rather have a team having an era then all the teams playing kinda bad though
2021-11-30 15:21
+1
2021-11-30 14:53
+1 good cs breeds great cs
2021-11-30 14:54
-mouz nip and faze are both shaky, depends on their form
2021-11-30 13:26
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(I'd put MOUZ but atm they're too shaky) big if right but still they can compete
2021-11-30 13:28
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you´re right, didnt read the whole sentence lmao yes
2021-11-30 13:29
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Korea Axiotimos
good list, but mouz is not even a contender for tier 1
2021-11-30 13:27
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that's why i said (i'd but)
2021-11-30 13:28
Yea I'd agree
2021-11-30 13:29
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Poland Astoner55
I'd say Mouz is a really solid tier1.5, just like Liquid and VP and Entropiq
2021-11-30 13:29
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i mean they have ropz and frozen but they're not enought apparently
2021-11-30 13:30
dont agree with faze tbh
2021-11-30 13:31
3 replies
why lol?
2021-11-30 13:32
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winning eg and liquid in the past 3 months makes them t1?
2021-11-30 14:25
+1
2021-11-30 13:52
Navi, Heroic, and Gambit are the only fully stable Tier1 rosters. G2, Liquid, and Vitality are making changes. Astralis, Furia, VP, and NiP are new Faze, Mouz, OG, BIG are just not upto the mark CPH and ENCE are promising.
2021-11-30 13:33
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how is Gambit stable when they almost lost to Furia,lost to Entropiq and CPH,also no chance against NaVi on LAN,they're not "that" stable
2021-11-30 13:37
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Stable because the core of sh1ro, Ax1le, nafany and interz has existed since 2019, while the current gambit lineup has existed since 2020. Also, they just played their first 3 LANs lol 1st LAN (Cologne) - Playoffs (Quarter-Finals) 2nd LAN (Major) - Playoffs (SemiFinals) 3rd LAN (V4 event) - Winner They just need some time. Remember, they are all 19-20 years old, except Hobbit. They are sticking with this roster, not making any changes. That's why it's stable. If winning events defined stability, then almost every roster is always unstable, apart from the winning team.
2021-11-30 13:40
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So they're same as Heroic and with all due respect to them,i dont consider them stable team
2021-11-30 13:41
Is there anyone who can replace Hobbit who would be about the core's age when he eventually retires?
2021-11-30 14:54
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No idea brór I do not have much idea about CIS scene apart from the well-known teams
2021-11-30 15:17
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brór is Icelandic and Danish for brother? xD Ah alright. I was wondering whether Magixx or Mir could fill in. Maybe even Fl1t if he doesn't do well in VP.
2021-11-30 17:52
#50
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Czech Republic Ventraks
CPH are promising to disband
2021-11-30 14:24
Vitality are making big changes but they still play top 3 cs and have zywoo, no way they are not tier 1. Even with zywoo go kill they can beat t1 teams, just not navi
2021-11-30 15:23
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All of the teams I mentioned (except CPH and ENCE) are Tier1 material (imo), that's the point of the thread. However, in my opinion, only those 3 are fully stable.
2021-11-30 15:29
#21
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Germany Dreny
You should remove Gambit, they are just bunch of young upstarts
2021-11-30 13:39
10 replies
They are upstarters andvitality is tier1? At least in 3 lans gambot always made it our of playoffs, they also have the biggest ammount of trophys this year besides Na'vi
2021-11-30 14:56
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#68
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Germany Dreny
yes, we are just gonna see how each of their player going to play at age of Apex and shox, and how much top-1 their GOAT shiro will take compared to Zywoo. I bet most of them after a consistent lose streak gonna be promoted back to tier 2 CS or retire as finnish ENCE, american CLOUD9 and 2017 Gambit did at the time.
2021-11-30 15:10
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They were by far the second best team and second most consistent team this year. You can say they will become bad in future but thats just a wild guess bcuz there is nothing to prove it.
2021-11-30 15:11
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#72
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Germany Dreny
Have u seen them on LAN, bruh? They lost bo1 vs tier 4 bots, then they did almost lose to tier 4 czech team in a bo3 V4. As well, they showed themself pretty shaky vs tier-2 Furia at the Major, lost to top 20 Entropiq and made it really awful at the major vs Na`Vi with a score of 16:8 and 16:3 - the same score could have get anyone of contenders just with a better luck at those brackets. I don`t call it consistency - i call it just being motivated till a really hard and decent opponent will call you down with ur groundless ambitions.
2021-11-30 15:20
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#20 In three lans they never left in groups Zywho only made it out of groups once COPE
2021-11-30 15:19
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He is a bit delusional, imagine thinking gambit players are tier 2 lmao
2021-11-30 15:24
#79
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Germany Dreny
are you talking about which period of time? i can`t remember this fact I`ve seen them recently playing on LAN on the edge of disband vs Na`Vi at the finals where they have outplayed most of tier 1 teams. And as well i remember EPICENTER 2019 right before COVID where they smashed everyone on their way. I am actually not even their fan btw, at all. I just don`t share ur hatred towards them
2021-11-30 15:25
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2021 period buddy stop living in zywho's past. This gambit linup has 1.5y and is already 10x more accomplished then Vit
2021-11-30 15:26
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Germany Dreny
Okay, if all the wins of Vitality is a merit of Zywoo, kick shiro out of the team and we will see how low they gonna fall xD
2021-11-30 15:31
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What wins? They won nothing all year, at least Gambit is gonna have 3 players in top10. Vit are a tier 2 team with tier 2 players
2021-11-30 15:32
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Dosia | 
Poland iOFF
ECSTATIC
2021-11-30 13:39
#23
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Europe nikyyy
-mouz
2021-11-30 13:40
1 reply
2021-11-30 13:42
-NIP + VP
2021-11-30 13:41
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i arent think that
2021-11-30 13:42
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VP squeeze through to the playoffs at nearly every tier 1 tournament and they start to play when it matters the most. NIP play good on one day, on another day they play like tier 3 team...
2021-11-30 13:47
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"another day they play like tier 3 team..." same as VP,nothing personal but righnt now VP is playing worse and worse, they even managed lose to Liquid and Entropiq
2021-11-30 13:49
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As I said - they play when it matters the most. VP go to the playoffs trough the lower bracket every time. When they say that they will play "for fun", they get smashed by everybody (for exaple in playoffs of last RMR tournament). You mentioned 8 teams. In my opinion VP in easily in TOP 8.
2021-11-30 13:53
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That's not how tier1 team should work. And NIP is definitely Tier1 team, they just have change in the roster and have a rough time, doesn't mean they are not t1
2021-12-01 09:01
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They have a "rough time" since 2017 :D
2021-12-01 09:40
5 replies
literally won IEM Fall, 1-3 Blast fall groups. But nt
2021-12-01 09:56
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IEM Fall is irrelevant, cus a lot of teams were already qualified and couldnt acquire better spot in major. Blast Fall Groups is more like tier 2 tournament. In Finals they got smashed, in major they nearly didnt make it trough to the playoffs despite playing decider against Copenhagen Flames. They are on the same level as VP, maybe below them imho. Edit: Sorry, I confused Fall groups with Showdown :D
2021-12-01 10:45
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You clearly don't know what you are talking about.
2021-12-01 14:12
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Then explain it to me, "expert". You didnt write nothing but 3 short sentences.
2021-12-01 15:12
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1st None of the tier1 results are irrelevant 2nd You've mistaken Fall groups with showdown, don't care you edited you still did :shrug: 3rd If NIP is under VP why any performance nor rankings shows that?
2021-12-01 18:18
original gangster
2021-11-30 13:42
#29
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Latvia Gadmin
+VP +Liquid
2021-11-30 13:44
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it says (atm)
2021-11-30 13:45
#30
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Germany Ryuzth
mouz tier 1 KEKW
2021-11-30 13:44
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2021-11-30 13:45
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#34
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Germany Ryuzth
2021-11-30 13:45
1 reply
kkkkk
2021-11-30 13:46
#37
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Mongolia 7DoA
soon OG
2021-11-30 13:47
Define “tier 1” for me
2021-11-30 13:47
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as long as they can compete with each other and making to the finals,they're
2021-11-30 13:51
#39
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Belarus ChecksOut
For me tier 1 team is the one who expected to be at least in tier 1 semis. So its only NaVi Heroic G2 Vitality Gambit
2021-11-30 13:49
1 reply
fair point
2021-11-30 13:50
cowana gaming
2021-11-30 14:01
DBL poney
2021-11-30 14:08
1 reply
of course :D
2021-11-30 14:21
#53
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Russia Whileyoung
- Navi
2021-11-30 14:30
#54
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Brazil zani1
Tier 1: Navi . . . Tier 2: Vitality, G2, Gambit and Heroic . . . Tier 3: NIP, VP, Faze, Astralis, Entropic, Furia, Liquid, Ence, Copenhagen Flames, OG, BIG and Mouz . . . Tier 4: All other teams
2021-11-30 14:39
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very funny,very interesting
2021-11-30 14:39
BR brain
2021-11-30 15:22
#107
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Poland sosiad
wtf XD
2021-12-01 18:24
#56
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Denmark kns377
Tier 1 = top 20 IMO
2021-11-30 14:41
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2021-11-30 14:42
Too many teams, more like top10 with some exceptions
2021-11-30 15:30
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#93
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Denmark kns377
For me, every team that regularly plays S-tier events are tier 1 teams. This means everything from Navi, Gambit and G2 to Big, Mouz, Fnatic, OG etc. Always disliked this 'tier-system' though, because every person sees it differently.
2021-12-01 08:52
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I actually agree with what you said about tier 1. There are many teams outside the top 10 who can still beat other teams any day of the week, just slightly less consistent. The tier system people use is kind of stupid. And since there is no technical definition it makes no sense to use the term tier 1 lol
2021-12-03 19:53
Fnatic
2021-11-30 14:55
2 replies
atm menss))
2021-11-30 14:56
1 reply
Fnatic
2021-11-30 14:58
#80
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Germany mainak90
Even as a mouz fan I can't put Mouz at tier1. I would probably need a long deep thought even before considering them as a tiee 2 contender.
2021-11-30 15:26
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check #9 menss)))
2021-11-30 15:28
virtus.pro ??? maybe fnatic ... they beat big in gf without loosing a map
2021-11-30 15:26
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vp no,fnatic not even close rn
2021-11-30 15:29
- Mouz + ENCE
2021-11-30 15:32
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#9 no :D
2021-11-30 15:33
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>Legend Status >Constant choking with ropz Pick one
2021-11-30 16:01
Probably controversial but i would say that Navi is the only tier 1 team atm. They are so much ahead of everyone. Heroic probably best of the rest atm.
2021-12-01 09:47
#99
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Serbia Ljannister
-nip +virtus
2021-12-01 10:00
VP?
2021-12-01 10:03
#106
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Russia mshkoda
Also VP and Furia imo
2021-12-01 18:22
Navi G2 Heroic Vitality Gambit VP Astralis
2021-12-01 18:29
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