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2018 Astralis Versus 2021 NaVi
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United States dyragu 
Navi beats them purely due to 2021 meta being a more advanced version of the 2018 meta that Astralis introduced. Also going off the different map pools from 2018 and 2021 it is hard to say who would get a veto advantage in a bo3 series. This isn’t dissing Astralis 2018 it’s kinda in a way complimenting them because the current meta today is more advanced definitely due to the them. Disregarding 2021 meta vs 2018 meta I would say current NaVi would win regardless against prime Astralis due to the immense firepower of this lineup. yeet
2021-11-30 16:38
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navi 2021 will defeat astralis 2018 in a bo3 but astralis is still the greatest team ever astralis changed the entire way people played the game navi just has 5 super strong individuals (doesnt take anyhting away from their glory)
2021-11-30 16:39
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#2
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United States dyragu
hundred percent agree
2021-11-30 16:40
#11
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Europe S0me_dude
Navi have 3 super strong individuals, perfecto is mediocre and good at clutching, boomich is just bad and often makes retarded plays.
2021-11-30 16:44
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#31
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Ukraine BondaX
so the igl of the best team rn is just bad, ok
2021-11-30 16:55
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hes talking about bad comparatively to the rest of the team individual wise, how can you not see that?
2021-11-30 16:57
#37
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Europe S0me_dude
bad in terms of firepower, he's much worse than anyone in the team and gla1ve, nexa, nafany firepower > Boombl4
2021-11-30 17:02
s1mple makes a lot of mid round calls + how many times have we seen navi play like bots and then suddenly become gods after b1ad3 timeout?
2021-11-30 18:02
perfecto is above averrage he is quite good at roles he is given
2021-11-30 17:41
perfecto is the best support in the world.
2021-11-30 20:34
perfecto - BEST SUPPORT & BEST CLUTCHER IN THE WORLD! BRAINDEAD!
2021-12-01 09:59
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#101
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Europe S0me_dude
First is debatable, not so hard to be "best support" when you support s1mple and electronic who can carry your ass most of the times & He's definitely not best clutcher atm.
2021-12-01 13:28
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ELITE EVENTS 2020: hltv.org/stats/leaderboards?startDate=20.. Perfecto Support rounds - Top1 Clutches (1vsX) won - Top2 ELITE EVENTS 2021: hltv.org/stats/leaderboards?startDate=20.. Perfecto Support rounds - Top2 Clutches (1vsX) won - Top1 Specially for a sofa specialist like you! Before you say such nonsense, make sure!
2021-12-01 15:46
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#142
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Europe S0me_dude
I see and I take my words back, perfecto god support confirmed
2021-12-01 15:48
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by the way, the same statistics say unequivocally how brazenly s1mple was robbed in 2020! s1mple Top1 - in 11 of 22 nominations! zywoo Top1 - in 1 of 22 nominations! ELITE EVENTS 2020: hltv.org/stats/leaderboards?startDate=20..
2021-12-01 15:56
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Stuff like “Total Kills” shouldn’t count but yeah he was robbed outside of those.
2021-12-01 23:34
+1
2021-11-30 16:56
+1
2021-11-30 18:00
literally impossible to compare teams from 2021 and teams from 2018
2021-11-30 16:40
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#9
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United States dyragu
true; i saw like two posts today that had this topic so I decided to jump in. Literally we can only just say the meta is better
2021-11-30 16:43
#104
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Denmark Alphamon
Look up the definition of literally. Also you guys severely overestimate the difference between 2018 vs 2021, you're making it sound like 2018 teams played cs:go in its infancy stage. Prime Astralis is more than capable of beating this Na`Vi.
2021-12-01 13:42
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+1, rarely lost more than 6 in a map
2021-12-01 13:44
2018 astralis had immense firepower
2021-11-30 16:41
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+1 They had 5 players in the top 20. This firepower argument is actually flawed on the side of na'vi.
2021-11-30 17:56
S1mple, electronic and b1t firepower > every in Astralis 2018 imo
2021-11-30 17:57
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glaive heaps better, xyp too in prime and so was dupreeh, magisk came close and device did too
2021-12-01 09:38
lol no
2021-12-01 13:44
S1mple>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>device Electronic>Magisk Bit>Dupreeh Perfecto<Xyp9x Boombl4<Glaive You can't deny this and if you do then you are delusional
2021-11-30 17:59
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in 2018 dupreeh and magisk were better than elec and b1t are now
2021-11-30 18:03
7 replies
Another delusional asstralis fan
2021-11-30 18:05
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#66
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Algeria he_car
cry, he is not wrong.
2021-11-30 18:14
bro watch some demos of 2018 astralis and stop crying fkin' plastic navi fan
2021-11-30 18:30
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indian navi fan what do u expect
2021-12-01 10:03
Magisk and dupreeh were much better than eletronic and bit
2021-12-01 15:54
and xyp9x was clutch minister))))
2021-12-01 13:45
2021-12-01 13:57
if you disagree with me, you are wrong thats not how arguing works my man :) so i wont go into it
2021-12-01 09:38
#91
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Europe onepoint6
perfecto is way better than xyp9x tho
2021-12-01 09:46
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what
2021-12-01 13:45
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Yeah perfecto is gonna be in that top 15 and boom is gonna be in the top 10
2021-12-01 13:50
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but xyp was better than current perfecto
2021-12-01 13:52
lmao no
2021-12-01 13:53
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#121
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Europe onepoint6
xyp9x reminds me of zeus cuz he plays like bot
2021-12-01 13:55
16 replies
You just want the player who plays as support to drop 30 bombs every map or what? There is no one in the world who could do his job better than him
2021-12-01 14:06
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#125
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Europe onepoint6
im not talking about kills, im talking about playstyle and he reminds me of zeus --> both play like bots with zero mechanical skill compared to perfecto who almost always gets multikills on B anchor or just wins a lot of clutches compared to washed up xyp9x
2021-12-01 14:09
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hltv.org/stats/players/compare/16947/per.. Ah shit we are talking about stats again, expected from navi fan Here it is then, Xyp9x having way better stats based on 1850+ maps vs Perfecto on 627
2021-12-01 14:13
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#127
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Europe onepoint6
xyp9x playing 10 years while this is perfecto's first year gj
2021-12-01 14:14
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hltv.org/news/11896/top-20-players-of-20.. Xyp9x was considered as the worlds best ak-47 player in his first years, what Perfecto achieved as an individual?
2021-12-01 14:15
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#129
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Europe onepoint6
lmfao dude imagine being so desperate do bring up 2014 article :DDDDDDDDDDD u are done my friend time to logout
2021-12-01 14:16
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I'm not desperate at all lmao, let the numbers speak
2021-12-01 14:17
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#131
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Europe onepoint6
let the reality speak and the reality is that xyp9x is no longer good and that perfecto is above him in counter strike global offensive in all terms except achievements thank you good bye edit: btw its just a matter of time until he gets replaced by someone more valuable
2021-12-01 14:18
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Xyp9x > Perfecto any day of the week
2021-12-01 14:18
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#133
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Europe onepoint6
delusional btw check edit
2021-12-01 14:18
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not gonna argue with you anymore, expected from NaVi fan just to let u know all of the players have ups and downs, anyway overall xyp >>> perfecto
2021-12-01 14:20
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#135
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Europe onepoint6
it's hard to argue objectively with a person who sucks xyp's dick so hard that hes unable to think straight
2021-12-01 14:21
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#137
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Europe onepoint6
strawpoll created about 1 year ago when nobody knew who perfecto was how fucking stupid you are bro go do an iq test cuz this is unbearable actually
2021-12-01 14:23
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Create strawpoll right now then, let the people decide
2021-12-01 14:24
Doesnt matter if its his first year or not, we are talking about how well they are performing.
2021-12-01 23:40
S1mple >>> device Electronic >>> Magisk Bit >>> Dupreeh Perfecto >>> Xyp9x Boombl4 = Glaive
2021-12-01 10:01
#5
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Europe S0me_dude
2018 Astralis all the way The amount of 16-0, 16-1, 16-3-4 they've won is ridiculous and still holds unbeaten Nuke streak. Na'vi on other hand are losing maps or have plenty of 16-14 or 16-13, which is not so impressive if you ask me.
2021-11-30 16:42
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#12
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Ukraine Slavv_Boss
I mean, the level of competition increased, you cannot take that away. However, Astralis of that time is still the best, and probably will remain the best, unless today navi do something incredible
2021-11-30 16:45
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XDDDDDDD The level of competition increased XDDDDDDDDDDDDD
2021-12-01 14:24
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Are you retarted or just another 🤡?
2021-12-01 18:49
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probably retarted, althrough I'm not sure what does it mean
2021-12-01 19:57
#13
NAF | 
United States dyragu
I should said but it is technically impossible to know due to the significant differences in meta and literal game play. If both teams played 2018 meta it is straight up 50/50 due to AUG. if both teams play 2021 NaVi win I would say 70/30
2021-11-30 16:45
Astralis ofc, and it's won't be even close.
2021-11-30 16:42
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worst baiter ever existed in hltv
2021-11-30 16:48
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no that is sam2k and the other bots like norp_buh etc
2021-11-30 16:49
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who is norp_buh ? havent ever met him btw, this guy is a dirty as hell baiter as well.
2021-11-30 16:50
Flair and flag checks out. Can't deal with reality huh? Then keep crying, i don't mind that.
2021-11-30 18:04
2 replies
Go back to your real flag 🤡
2021-12-01 18:49
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Another brainless fankid. This is my real flag, and what i've said in #6 is also a reality. But it seems like you s1mple fankids cannot deal with it for some reason. Grow up desi.
2021-12-01 23:21
#7
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United Kingdom Marc_o_polo
insane individual peak vs scoped rifle meta Would be interesting to see that matchup; astralis using peak guns, navi using peak skill. Also I kind of miss navi sucking dick and simple going 42-19 just to lose. Feels like a different team now
2021-11-30 16:42
#8
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Poland Dzangow
2021 NAVI seems way stronger tbh
2021-11-30 16:42
delusional navi kids forgot how dominant astralis was back then... they overestimate navi just because they are so good this year lol.
2021-11-30 16:44
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#14
NAF | 
United States dyragu
I’m not dissing Astralis I said. Also #13
2021-11-30 16:46
how old are you dare ? lol, gona bet you haven't reached even 15 xD
2021-11-30 16:46
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kid from ukraine kekw no doubt you are s1mple fanboy
2021-11-30 16:48
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how old are you aahahha typical kiddo answer 12,13,14 ? are you cheering for gamb0ts ?
2021-11-30 16:51
+1 and people tend to forget the finer details of the past
2021-12-01 13:47
#16
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United States 3manu3l
0/8 yeet is not a valid argument
2021-11-30 16:46
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#18
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United States dyragu
disregard the yeet and also #13
2021-11-30 16:47
They will beat any astralis
2021-11-30 16:47
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name flair flag
2021-12-01 13:47
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Name flair flag
2021-12-01 13:53
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lol true
2021-12-01 13:54
astralis wins.
2021-11-30 16:49
obviously astralis
2021-11-30 16:50
yes
2021-11-30 16:51
Current Navi has the highest peak of all time, not even debatable. But the question is whether they can maintain that level as long as Astralis did
2021-11-30 16:53
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+1
2021-11-30 16:57
#39
NAF | 
United States dyragu
+1
2021-11-30 17:28
Siiigh!!! Facepalm
2021-12-01 13:38
It's not even a question. It would be if Na'vi won 3 majors in a row tho.
2021-11-30 16:53
astralis always
2021-11-30 16:56
#38
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Ukraine BondaX
it is difficult to compare teams from different times
2021-11-30 17:03
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#40
NAF | 
United States dyragu
true should said that in the post
2021-11-30 17:29
+1 Like comparing Pele and Messi.
2021-11-30 18:18
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#146
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Ukraine BondaX
nice example btw
2021-12-01 16:52
CS is much more competitive nowadays, so Na'Vi would technically be better
2021-11-30 17:35
Finally not a delusional thread. just facts my man +1
2021-11-30 17:37
this is now every hour topic?
2021-11-30 17:39
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seems like
2021-11-30 17:52
#46
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Brazil Yamat01
2016 Luminosity
2021-11-30 17:43
astralis 2018 was the best team because they were so good at adapting, if you would give them 2 weeks of practice they can beat everyone
2021-11-30 17:58
Astralis 2018 > Navi 2021
2021-11-30 17:58
People keep saying na'vi plays in a more competitive era but na'vi has basically only won tournaments that include multiple dead teams in them. Their main competition has been vitality who I think is pretty clearly weaker then they were in 2019. Also dead team. People also have said in this thread that Astralis is weaker individually? With five top 20 players? Really? Tell me more. I'm not sure if there's anyone left who actually watched Astralis 2018-early 2019. I think people are such star fuckers they just want to crown ANYONE as soon as possible so they can say they were there? I don't actually know but I do know it's disrespectful to compare what Na'vi has done (thus far) to what Astralis did in 2018. And I don't even like those fucking Danes.
2021-11-30 18:02
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So much recency bias in this thread Comparing 5-months of half-online half-LAN to over a year of LAN dominance. Astralis when dominating would win much more easily than the current Navi. No-one was close, even though the top-10 was much stronger compared to what it is now.
2021-11-30 18:10
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+1
2021-12-01 13:49
+10000 I have huge respect for navi for not being another deconstructed team but right now all we have is onliner teams (that need time to be good on lan) or dead teams/teams in transition, navi is an exception. liquid, astralis, vitality, nip, fnatic and many others can't be contenders cause they don't have stable rosters. also comparing teams from different eras is fundamentally wrong, it's just straight dumb cause every team learns from the past teams. without 2018 astralis' utility the 2021 navi would not be the same cause every team copied utility usage from astralis. how to spot low iq person? recency bias
2021-11-30 18:12
Literally the ENTIRE Astralis team was top 20 in 2018, I think people forget just how good all of the players really were at that time / how well they were each playing individually
2021-11-30 18:05
#62
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Argentina Aleeee
people saying there's more competitiveness now than back then in 2018, LOL, competitivenes has never been this lower before In other words, navi has a long way to go yet to achieve what astralis achieve
2021-11-30 18:09
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Exactly, probably the only time top-10 was weaker than this was during COVID era when anyone could beat anyone. No-one having consistency is not competitiveness, people.
2021-11-30 18:12
recency bias is a typical sign of immaturity or low iq. whatever you want to compare - wait. never compare contemporary stuff with stuff from the past cause in the future you might look like an idiot.
2021-11-30 18:26
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#72
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United States dyragu
probably I should clarified this wasn’t supposed to say Astralis are bad. Technically the thread is supposed to say that the 2021 meta will beat 2018 meta any day of the week. This is disregarding weapons though. It’s very hard to say who would win.
2021-11-30 20:05
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well you always need to put a team in context. 2018 astralis didn't need to face 2021 navi so their solution were supposed to work against teams like 2018 faze, 2018 liquid, 2018 ence, 2018 navi etc. we don't know how they would play if they had to 2021 navi but it's very possible they would find a solution.
2021-11-30 22:12
#71
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Denmark MuuarK
Glaive told in a Danish podcast a few months ago when he returned from his leave. That he looked back at the demo's from 2018 in their prime, to see if they could come up with a solution to their problems not winning so much online. He told that the other teams back then just played really bad compared to now. So the online era has really changed the meta how the game is played contrary back when Astralis was in it's prime.
2021-11-30 18:37
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#80
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Ukraine devitt
I don't think the meta changed, just more teams got better
2021-11-30 20:34
#73
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United States TARIK_GOAT
we all know januray 2018 C9 > all
2021-11-30 20:07
Astralis all day. Navi is on the beginning of their era, they need to prove themselves in whole lot of more tournaments before we even begin to compare these two teams/eras.
2021-11-30 20:32
s1mple>dev1ce electronic<dupreeh b1t>magisk boombl<gla1ve perfecto<xyp9x
2021-11-30 20:36
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theres no way b1t is better than magisk
2021-12-01 13:49
This is like comparing MJ to Lebron. People will say "MJ era had no defense" or "Lebron era is soft" but at the end of the day you can only be as good as your era allows. If your opponents are already below your level by a large margin there is no reason to improve and if you do improve its not noticeable because you are already the best.
2021-11-30 20:38
#83
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Where is the logic in comparing 2018 CS:GO meta to 2021 CS:GO meta?
2021-11-30 20:39
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arguing over who is the best of all time
2021-12-01 09:38
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I get that but it's still illogical to compare two completely different meta-games of two completely primes. The OP's other attempt at this was a good effort but this one is not, there is no need to compare current Na'Vi to one of the GOAT CS:GO teams.
2021-12-01 14:24
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Yes but thats the whole argument
2021-12-01 15:49
#84
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Ireland reyno0o
It's a losing battle trying to figure out which team would win because of the different standard of CS then and now. The only way to compare is by comparing the two era's. Until Navi has something resembling Astralis' dominance then Astralis will always win. It's about how good they were compared to the other teams at the time - and Astralis dominated the competition for years.
2021-11-30 20:41
ast = navi
2021-11-30 23:36
I see a lot of guys talking about meta, but I can't define for myself what those are. Can someone explain what the meta was in 2018 and what the meta is now? The two big differences I see game-wise could be the M4a1 and dropping nades, but would that weaken the 2018 meta if it was back then? Like I said tho, I can't differentiate so someone please enlighten me.
2021-12-01 09:47
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Astralis meta: coordination, heavily relying on utility Navi meta: go to one site and enter it 20sec before end
2021-12-01 09:57
Astralis in their prime were hitting all their shots too
2021-12-01 09:51
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#99
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Sweden SamBbbb
But Astralis prime would not match Navi current individual players
2021-12-01 10:01
imo astralis 2018 > navi 2021. not taking veto in contention. current navi reminds me of 2019 liquid where literally 5 were on top of their game and not afraid of anyone on the opponent on any map. hitting every bullet they shoot. astralis were more like heavy team structured playstyle. also astralis werent that behind in terms of firepower. all 5 made to top13 in 2018. unlikely perfecto / boom makes top 20. though electronic / simple makes top 5 bit make top 10. overall i give 2018 astralis a small ede
2021-12-01 10:01
Astralis firepower in 2018 is probably greater, all 5 were in top 20 with Xyp9x on 13 as the lowest ranked.
2021-12-01 13:32
Ez for navi
2021-12-01 13:47
we should wait for 6 months at least and then decide this
2021-12-01 13:51
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cause there's so many dead teams and unstable rosters and new ones and whatnot
2021-12-01 13:51
What NAVI is today, is literally built upon what Astralis was in 2018. Noone affected the meta like they did, not before, and not after. So NAVI fans should actually thank Astralis 2018, as NAVI are building their style on the meta which they didn't invent themselves. Even s1mples AWP'ing is highly influenced by device's nonstop changing of positions, which s1mple adapted 100%. This whole discussion is redundant when you don't realize the above.
2021-12-01 13:58
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acting like if they invented everything lol if you come with that, then it was kenny the first to do nonstop changing of positions theres always someone who did it first, its just that they developed it
2021-12-01 23:26
not blastralis
2021-12-01 23:24
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