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Tier 1 2 3 system
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Sweden gNeJS 
Where do you guys draw the Line for Being a Tier 1 team? Is it if a team makes playoffs on major, if they are top 10 on hltv or if they can compete vs the best team in the world? Same goes for where T2 ends and T3 starts.
2021-11-30 20:24
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#1
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Netherlands whycrycry
top 10 teams imo
2021-11-30 20:25
tier1 rn: navi tier2: whoever can win 10+ rounds per map vs navi tier3: the rest
2021-11-30 20:26
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Ukraine Slavv_Boss
so in ur opinion vita heroic and astralis are t2? That seems kinda harsh
2021-11-30 20:27
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astralis? lol
2021-11-30 20:32
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Ukraine Slavv_Boss
ok, maybe not astralis because it hasnt been tested yet, maybe g2? But still, its kinda harsh to put all of those teams in t2, and only navi in t1
2021-11-30 20:36
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#88
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United States vip3r_k1ng
surprisingly based navi fan
2021-12-01 03:09
gambit can win against nai s odoe that mean they are tier 1+
2021-11-30 20:29
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>Gambot >win against NaVi on LAN
2021-11-30 20:30
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it's a matter of time before they become gods on lan that they were online at that point, it's oer because Gambit>NaVi
2021-11-30 20:34
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cope harder pls
2021-12-01 14:49
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I think I know the one who's coping :)
2021-12-01 19:39
Tier 1 is any team that is capable of reaching play offs of a tier 1 event on a regular basis-navi, g2, nip, heroic, vitality, astralis and gambit Tier 2 is any team that can surprise and have a really good result-entropiq, mouz, cphf, liquid, sinners, faze and furia Tier 3 is everything else bellow that I for sure missed teams but it's just a rough showing.
2021-11-30 21:01
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#32
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Latvia emzijs
you put sinners with faze, furia, and liquid in the same tier
2021-11-30 21:07
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#37
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Bulgaria Bulg1us
yeah, it's his opinion
2021-11-30 21:12
Yeah I think sinners is a good team.I'm not saying all teams in a tier are equall.Obviously sinners is not better or same as faze, liquid, furia but they are not tier 3 either and faze,iquid, furia are not tier 1 teams either as of yet.
2021-11-30 21:13
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#62
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Europe JohnnyPayn
absolute garbage opinion...
2021-11-30 22:02
#73
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Sweden Akoulad
navi t1? :clown:
2021-11-30 23:56
consistently making playoffs on LAN Premier events which probably is akin to being top10 on hltv
2021-11-30 20:26
#4
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Greece RedWinter
tier 1 teams = teams that make the playoffs and almost exclusively play t1 tournaments. From NaVi to OG I'd say
2021-11-30 20:27
#6
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Poland Nalax
it's not only about ranking, you can be top 5 in HLTV and be t2 team It depends on results on big tournaments just like blast or major teams like Entropiq Ence CPHF or Movistar Riders are high, but it's t2 BIG for me also is t2 together with MOUZ atm Teams like NaVi Heroic Gambit G2 Vitality etc are t1, but everything below top 10 isn't definitely t3 are teams like paiN SKADE Blink Sprout etc, below top 30 maybe top 35
2021-11-30 20:28
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+1
2021-11-30 20:29
top 15
2021-11-30 20:29
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#15
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Sweden gNeJS
You just Said "+1" to a Guy saying anything below top 10 aint Tier 1. I cant trust you anymore
2021-11-30 20:31
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#74
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Germany IgnisCube
+1
2021-11-30 23:59
I read only "it's not only about ranking, you can be top 5 in HLTV and be t2 team" xdd
2021-12-01 14:01
#8
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Russia Ozice
tier 1 = top 15 tier 2 = top 30 tier 3 = others IMHO
2021-11-30 20:29
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#44
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Luxembourg TheBudi34
+1
2021-11-30 21:18
#68
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Germany G3er
sounds about right teams can beat eachother at top 15 no matter the current rank except for navi, it changes below that
2021-11-30 22:45
#9
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Ukraine Loomian
top 1-10 - tier 1 11-20 - tier 2 rest is tier 3 imo
2021-11-30 20:29
Tier 1 - top 10 hltv Tier 2 - top 30 hltv Tier 3 - hltv teams Tier 4 - amateurs That's what players and coaches usually mean when they say tiers.
2021-11-30 20:30
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#17
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Sweden gNeJS
Thats My impression aswell.
2021-11-30 20:33
i'd say tier 2 is top "40" which would mean team that are from top 12 -13 to team that are fighting to be in the top 30 or which are in top 30 regulary but not always
2021-11-30 21:57
also i'd say tier 1 team is not always "tier 1 team" sometime its goes beyond result. For exemple i'd still consider a team with five tier 1 player as a tier 1 team, even if they performed bad for few event and same goes for org , a tier 1 org would have more credit to be considered "tier 1 team" without result
2021-11-30 22:03
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Brazil pilastra
liquid is t1 t2 t3 ?
2021-11-30 20:30
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#86
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United States Topher
above liquid is t1, below liquid is t2
2021-12-01 03:04
For me, it's mostly in my head and changes based on the strength of the teams in the tier. For me atm T1: 1-12th, with the exception that fnatic belongs in T1 but they still need to prove it in big events. T2: 13th-28th and I haven't checked the y0fl0w for the top 100 in a while and the link isn't working for me anymore so hard to say what my T3 range would be without looking at it.
2021-11-30 20:33
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#20
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Sweden gNeJS
y0fl0w? Tell me more
2021-11-30 20:35
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he had a link under his name of the top 100 teams (maybe more?) ranked just like you would see on hltv but now the link doesn't work :/
2021-11-30 20:39
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#24
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Sweden gNeJS
Ahh alright, hope it fixes sounds interesting
2021-11-30 20:42
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Yeah it was great, made it super easy to keep track of the state of lower tier CS.
2021-11-30 20:43
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hltvranking.y0fl0w.de/ But looks like it doesn't work
2021-11-30 20:49
#22
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Europe JohnMurphy
Tier 1 = contenders to win Tier 2 = decent teams Tier 3 = bad teams
2021-11-30 20:36
#25
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United States KadamJ
There are 15 teams I would consider t1 right now, not necessarily the top 15. They are the teams that have been present at premier events for an extended period of time and generally have higher expectations, even if they fail to meet them. They also generally have a better financial standing than lower teams, meaning they may be partner teams with the premier events even in rough patches. OG and Mouz would be low end of T1 for me. Tier 2 is moreso teams that compete much more regularly in smaller events and get the occasional crack at a premier event. Expectations at these aren't as high, but a deep run is definitely always possible as they have the potential to pull of big upsets. Entropiq, CPH Flames, X-Com AGO, Sinners and the like. Tier 3 would be the competition that these tier 2 teams go up against in these smaller tournaments. Teams in Premier that you wouldn't really expect to make it to the playoffs, but still have shot. LDLC, SAW, etc. As I said, top 15 isn't a perfect guide and there is definite overlap but I would generally say T1 is top 15-20, T2 is 15-40, and T3 is 35-60.
2021-11-30 20:42
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#29
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Sweden gNeJS
I would say something like T3 is everybody on hltv that aint top 40. Since nobody speaks about T4.
2021-11-30 21:01
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#75
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United States KadamJ
Jokes on you, I actually follow Coalesce which is currently #80 in the world. And there is a very clear gap between them and teams like LDLC that I think is worth noting.
2021-12-01 01:02
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#76
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Sweden gNeJS
I dont mean that nobody talks about teams further down the rankings, what im trying to say is that when you talk about teams you never use the term "T4", hence why i believe that T3 is the lowest tier.
2021-12-01 01:07
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#78
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United States KadamJ
I guess I wouldn't even consider lower teams as part of a tier. But I see your point, certainly tracks.
2021-12-01 01:36
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#80
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Sweden gNeJS
I would say that any team below T2 but exist on hltv is T3. However that makes T3 enormous so i understand that it might not be right.
2021-12-01 01:42
tier 1 - top 20 tier 2 - top 60 tier 3 - top 100
2021-11-30 20:56
#31
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
This is my take on the tier system: hltv.org/forums/threads/2413433/how-do-y.. <-- There are also links within from my other takes on the tiered system.
2021-11-30 21:03
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#33
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Europe Kephea
668758 comments holy sh*t
2021-11-30 21:07
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#34
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Do I have that many comments? That's my HLTV USERID, friend. :D
2021-11-30 21:08
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#35
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Europe Kephea
i already knew jonty the legend but didn't expect that much comments gg respect+
2021-11-30 21:10
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#40
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Thank you so much for your kindness. <3 Hope you have a good day, friend. :D
2021-11-30 21:14
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#43
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Europe Kephea
thanks, gn))
2021-11-30 21:18
#41
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Bulgaria Bulg1us
+1
2021-11-30 21:15
#45
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Sweden gNeJS
Nice dedication. I like your take on it, however i consider T1 to be more than 5 teams, Top 8-11 somewhere is where T1 ends in my opinion. You have a valid point in that the top 5 is the only ones guaranteed to be invited to the S-ranked tournaments tho.
2021-11-30 21:19
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#48
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Having more tier 1 tesms is fair enough. ^^ I guess it helps that the tier system has evolved ever so slightly throughout CS:GO due to how many good teams there are with today's competition. Plus, you can merge the systems with tier 1.5 teams, etc...
2021-11-30 21:25
How u remember ur 9 month old reply lmfao
2021-11-30 22:46
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#71
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
I make a note of some of the replies I make for situations exactly like this. :)
2021-11-30 22:53
Tier 1: 1-15 Tier 2: 15-30 Tier 3: Teams that are one or two good events from breaking into top 30. This is honestly anywhere from 30-100 at this point
2021-11-30 21:11
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+1
2021-11-30 21:13
for me is a mix of ranking, results, competitiveness against the best...it is not something closed
2021-11-30 21:18
tier1- fans of these teams i shit on for being normies tier2- fans of these teams i respecc tier3- mouzse
2021-11-30 21:19
#47
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Croatia Pagan44
How I see it tier 1 are all teams from top 20 rankings that participate in most of s-tier tournaments happening while the rest and all the way to the top 30 are tier 2, beyond top 30 are tier 3 teams.
2021-11-30 21:23
top 15 tier 1 imo from 16 to 30 tier 2 30 to 45-50 tier 3 give or take
2021-11-30 21:26
tier 1 - stable top 1-15 teams, teams like cph flames aka flukes doesnt count, but irrelevant ones like og counts because they still can win a lot of other top teams tier 2 - top 15-30 again stable not teams like Lyngby vikings but ence, spirit (previous), entropiq tier 3 - out of top 30 top 30-50/60, can sometimes be higher but its luck, thats sprout, mad lions
2021-11-30 21:32
Tier 1 is everyone who consistenly qualify for tier 1 events Tier 2 are the ones that sometimes qualify for tier 1 events but not very often Tier 3 are the ones that have never qualified for tier 1 events
2021-11-30 21:33
This is a topic where every person has a different opinion For me, Tier 1: TOP 1 - 10 Tier 1,5: Teams that can compete against T1 but are still not there, Top 10-15 Tier 2: Top 16 -25 Tier 3: Top 26- 60 Tier 5: 61-100 Tier 6: 100-150 Tier 7: 150-200
2021-11-30 21:41
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Tbh only tier 1-3 does matter, rest is irrelevant xD
2021-11-30 21:45
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Sure tier 1-3 is better to watch, but as I like to watch and know more about all the scenes, tier 5-6 is also interesting, is where you see some teams rising and trying to achieve tier 3 and then more, some teams achieve it..some don't :/
2021-11-30 21:51
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I didn't say anywhere it's not interesting or something like that. I said it's irrelevant cuz match against these teams can end in both ways and it's 50/50.
2021-11-30 21:57
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I also didn't say you said it wasn't interesting xd
2021-11-30 22:00
t1 teams that make playoffsin t1 events so top 6-8 t2 teams that play t1 events but dont make playoffs bottom 7-8/9-12 t3 teams that play t2 events and make playoffs t4 teams play t2 events but dont make playoffs
2021-11-30 21:43
T1 - Teams that can and have won big international events in the last year or consistently placed in top 4 in many of them. T2 - Teams that are invited to big international events and win at least 1 BO3. T3 - Teams that get destroyed at big international events or teams that dont get invited but still can do well at smaller events. Basically the top 20 - 35ish teams in the world.
2021-11-30 21:46
#57
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Spain Crusher_CS
T1: teams that play most of the T1 tournaments (Katowice, Colgone, IEM's, DH Masters, Blasts...) probably you could say from top 1 to more or less 15-16 depending on form on some of those lower teams. T2: Teams that are fighting to qualify to the T1 tournaments, sometimes play in some but not in all, they play some DH Opens, some T2 lans, top ranked in ESEA Premier and online torunaments, they normally also recieve invites to closed qualifers to important events. From 15 to 40. T3: Teams that normally all they play is qualifers, online cups, they can be higher ESEA Advanced teams or the worst in ESEA premier in their respective groups. From top 50 to top 100. T4: Lower ESEA Advanced teams that barely apear in HLTV, sometimes in some online cup from time to time, play in local scene and some qualifers. From top 120 and more
2021-11-30 21:58
tier 1 = top 15 tier 2 = 15-40 tier 3 = 40+ literally who cares
2021-11-30 22:01
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ye not bad
2021-11-30 22:10
#63
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Europe JohnnyPayn
tier 1 top 15 hltv t2 16-30 etc.
2021-11-30 22:03
Tier 1 = invited to S-tier events Tier 2 = have to qualify to S-tier events and are always underdogs there Tier 3 = most teams in EU advanced / NA premier
2021-11-30 22:07
m9 id say top 20 is tier 1, tier 2 is debatable top 20-30, and tier 3 is 30-50, that's logic if u ask me, or at least it would make somewhat sense.
2021-11-30 22:09
There is no such thing as tier 1.5 lmao stop commenting Tier 1 = top 20 Tier 2 = top 21 - 40 Tier 3 and + rest
2021-11-30 22:50
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#72
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Sweden gNeJS
I can agree with everything but would make Tier 1 something like top 12
2021-11-30 23:53
It's fluid, depends on what's happening in the scene and how close are the things. One season you could cut off Tier 1 at top 12 for example, next season nearly all teams from top 10 to top 20 had good runs and it's hard to split hairs. Same for other tiers, it's more about the power game at the given moment. Tho with that logic you could say that right now Tier 1 is Navi only because no one can match their game and they are rock solid #1. Because there is nothing fluid there, it's a very strict cut below Navi.
2021-12-01 01:22
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#81
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Sweden gNeJS
Yeah its really hard to make a "frame" for what makes Tier 1 i agree.
2021-12-01 01:43
#79
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United States hondayzx
on the global scale tier 1 is someone that can consistently defeat a top 15 team, tier 2 is someone that is top 30 or a roster that shows potential, and tier 3 is top 80. regionally it depends on how many teams play, for example there are many tier 1 teams in EU because they can play at an international level but in BR/NA there are a lot less so the bar has to be lowered
2021-12-01 01:41
come on, its simple af we have tier 1 tournaments (major, blast, esl pro league, iem, dreamhack etc) we have tier 2 tournaments (pinnacle cup, snow sweet snow etc.) we have tier 3 tournaments (I don't really watch t3, cba to google rn but you get the idea) teams who participate in t1 tournaments on regular basis are t1 teams, it's simple as that. they don't need to win, if they compete in t1 they are t1. Norwich or Southampton never win Premier League but they are Premier League teams cause they compete in Premier League. BiG or Mouz don't really go deep in most t1 tournaments but they are t1 teams because they compete in t1 on regular basis. obviously there is a thin line between top tier 2 teams that are play in t1 tournaments once in a while and bottom t1 teams who also play in t2 tournaments sometimes. same logic regarding lower tiers.
2021-12-01 01:58
#83
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Sweden EntonXD
Top 1-3-5-10-15-20-30-40-50-100 is a much better edtimate imo. But i consider tier 1 = participating in most if not all big events like iem winter. Tier 2 not really attending top tier events but flashpoints, dreamhack open like where fnatic are currently. T3 are those esea cups, t4 academy leagues and similar opposition... t5 just pro league conference teams
2021-12-01 02:01
#84
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Korea zeppyxdxd
tier 1 - top 15, i wouldnt say Entropiq are a tier 1 team yet tier 2 16-30 tier 3 30-40 tier 4 - 41-50 tier 5+ 50-100
2021-12-01 02:04
#85
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United States Azaqa
tier 1: teams that can win tier 1 events and frequently get into playoffs at a minimum tier 2: teams that can upset tier 1 teams, dominate tier 2 events tier 3: teams that have a chance in tier 2 events, cant really beat any tier 1 teams, win shit events like loot.bet or something
2021-12-01 02:10
#89
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United States Topher
better than liquid=t1 worse than liquid=t2
2021-12-01 03:14
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#91
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Sweden gNeJS
And liquid?
2021-12-01 12:26
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tier 1.5
2021-12-01 14:55
#90
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Sweden Lagge15
I love that you bring this question to HLTV! Because people seem inconsistent in what they think is tier n Take football (soccer) for example, where the tier system is based on what national league you're playing in, but then we put in expectations into where the teams should end in respective leagues which means each tier got their own tier. Not to mention different nations are different tiers compared to eachother. For me, a tier is where you are in expectancy to your surroundings. In CSGO I'd say tier 1 is a team that makes an impact on the bigger "stages" of the scene at a certain point. Which in itself makes tiers more reliable in hindsight than in the presence or the future.
2021-12-01 03:15
t1 - teams that mostly play on big international events t2 - teams that mostly play on smaller events t3 - top30 or lower like academy teams etc
2021-12-01 12:35
#95
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India hax_w0w
tier 1 - teams in top 20 hltv rankings who can maintain top 20 consistently tier 2 - top 40 same case tier 3 - all below this
2021-12-01 14:08
for me Tier 1 : Consistent team that always get featured on big event. Tier 2 : not that consistent, mostly playing in low tier tournament but sometimes can make it through to big event. Tier 3 : below both basically academy team or team that never make it to big event.
2021-12-01 15:04
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
The system would be, toe similar to main sports divisions. Tier1 teams are teams who are competitive and play at the best tournaments, even if they aren't the best out of the best, they are still the best. Tier2 are the teams that mostly play lower tournaments, sometimes apear in a tier1 event (like DIG or Sinners) Tier3 academy teams and teams a notch below tier2 Rest is irrelevant semi pros
2021-12-01 15:07
Tier 1: teams that make it to big tourneys and show some competition for the crown Tier 2: teams that dominate the lower end tournaments of CS, think Pinnacle and ULTI tourneys, but don't make it to far in the big tourneys Tier 3: those who win only ESEA premier, and smaller leagues, can compete in the lower tourneys, but rarely make It past groups.. Tier 4: those who don't qualify for the lower tourneys, and just grind ESEA premier and similar leagues with the hopes of making it big.
2021-12-01 15:08
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