Thread has been deleted
Last comment
Best Players to not make TOP 20
tabseN | 
Germany THEJNGG0D 
Who deserved TOP 20 HLTV but never got I´ll go ahead: Tabsen
2021-12-01 14:47
Topics are hidden when running Sport mode.
#1
NiKo | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina GOATKO
GOATJI GOATKY
2021-12-01 14:48
10 replies
#21
 | 
Netherlands PawnyCS
goatky got banned?? :(
2021-12-01 15:42
9 replies
whos that
2021-12-01 17:12
6 replies
One of the best users on HLTV
2021-12-01 17:15
5 replies
ah ok i check
2021-12-01 18:08
4 replies
You're new here. You wouldn't know him
2021-12-01 22:45
3 replies
#112
 | 
Netherlands PawnyCS
There are some things you wasnt know the details of...
2021-12-01 23:09
2 replies
I aren't think that...
2021-12-01 23:13
1 reply
2020
2021-12-03 01:39
did he? why
2021-12-01 23:07
1 reply
i arent think that
2021-12-02 09:36
#2
 | 
Belgium Woke!
Me
2021-12-01 14:48
#3
 | 
Finland iBait
Mantuu
2021-12-01 14:48
11 replies
#67
 | 
Finland Khroni
Way way way too inconsistent to make it to top20 at this point but it does make it more impressive OG has managed to stay relevant in t1 without having a single player in top20
2021-12-01 17:24
10 replies
#68
 | 
Finland iBait
Mantuu got close in 2020, I think he was 22th. He would've gotten in if it wasn't for NA players farming stats in NA only events
2021-12-01 17:26
1 reply
#69
 | 
Finland Khroni
Yea he nearly got it 2020 but that was a flat year ago now, teams have changed, he's injured his wrist and competition is better, its not so easy to say that he is as good as he was last year, all that can be said is he simply isnt consistent enough currently to be in competition for top20
2021-12-01 17:31
How are they relevant? They're not fking relevant at all bro
2021-12-01 17:39
5 replies
flair
2021-12-01 17:50
1 reply
so? what about your flair?
2021-12-01 17:55
thats a cool flair/flag combo, friend not common at all, n looks cool
2021-12-01 23:08
1 reply
thx man
2021-12-01 23:29
They are relevant because they have more haters than fans
2021-12-03 02:04
Valde was top 20 in 2018 I believe
2021-12-03 02:18
1 reply
#190
 | 
Finland Khroni
That was so long ago + so much has changed its hard to really count anymore
2021-12-03 10:01
I mean sh1ro
2021-12-01 14:49
2 replies
He'll get one this year, dont worry
2021-12-01 16:28
1 reply
Obviously but hasnt yet
2021-12-01 19:18
#5
 | 
Poland Ketchupix
Hades
2021-12-01 14:50
5 replies
+1
2021-12-01 15:50
#62
 | 
Portugal cyn1cal
Nah
2021-12-01 17:15
#88
 | 
Poland paputekk
as #67 said "Way way way too inconsistent to make it to top20 "
2021-12-01 18:27
so much potential and so talented player, if only he got consistent with his good awping. I'd say Spinx myself as a potential top 20 tho, he's consistent and one hell of a rifler
2021-12-01 21:09
#115
 | 
Greece RedWinter
worse than mantuu
2021-12-01 23:20
#6
 | 
United Kingdom Theodoooore
Hard to say without having a full list of players that *did* make top 20. Easy to miss someone otherwise so I'll have to go recent and say Nivera or something, he'd have made it eventually.
2021-12-01 14:50
5 replies
Nivera didnt expect that one explain pls
2021-12-01 14:52
4 replies
Idk he's just pretty good, so if there were a top 5 French team in the future I can see him on it and therefore earning a place in the top 20
2021-12-01 16:21
3 replies
yeah but i think he switched to valorant and joined screams team no?
2021-12-01 16:26
2 replies
Yeah he did, I was speaking hypothetically if he hadn't
2021-12-01 16:59
1 reply
Ah ok i see
2021-12-01 17:00
Ligma
2021-12-01 14:51
16 replies
whos ligma
2021-12-01 16:29
15 replies
#37
 | 
North America raveNflitE
cool up-and-coming talent, playing for a team called jome
2021-12-01 16:40
14 replies
#56
 | 
United States Teegrumpee
whos jome
2021-12-01 17:12
13 replies
jome esports, a north american esports org owned by a guy called "Hugh"
2021-12-01 17:33
12 replies
#72
 | 
North America raveNflitE
Wasn't he looking to sell to "Dietz" though?
2021-12-01 17:46
2 replies
What the fuck am I reading
2021-12-01 17:47
1 reply
#75
 | 
North America raveNflitE
dietz nuts edit: wrong joke
2021-12-01 17:55
#80
 | 
United States Teegrumpee
who is hugh i havent heard him b4
2021-12-01 18:07
8 replies
Hugh Janus, sry had no idea to keep the story going
2021-12-01 19:24
7 replies
#92
 | 
United States Teegrumpee
oh him i met him at sawcon
2021-12-01 20:59
6 replies
whats sawcon?
2021-12-01 21:29
5 replies
Sawcon, a convention well-known among Sugandese people
2021-12-01 23:20
4 replies
Who're the Sugandese again?
2021-12-01 23:45
3 replies
their country is next to kenya
2021-12-02 02:04
2 replies
whats kenya?
2021-12-02 05:49
1 reply
Is a small town where Ben lives
2021-12-03 10:03
#9
 | 
North America Zorxs
Maka
2021-12-01 14:52
teses in 2020
2021-12-01 14:53
1 reply
agree
2021-12-01 14:54
mir
2021-12-01 14:54
8 replies
i guess too many low tier events :C
2021-12-01 14:55
1 reply
No, he has enough maps vs top 20 opposition to make it. They just never managed to win a decent LAN event at any point.
2021-12-01 23:55
+1
2021-12-01 16:32
#47
 | 
Croatia Pagan44
+1
2021-12-01 17:01
#74
 | 
Russia Kurok4
Too unlucky with teams Unmotivated Vega and Gambit Disband in spirit (
2021-12-01 17:49
+1
2021-12-01 18:08
he will make it this year 4sure
2021-12-01 21:04
God. So much this.
2021-12-01 23:23
You have a lot..... TACO, gla1ve only once in top20... pronax (3 major)... people only give top20 about stats, when these players made their teams win a lot
2021-12-01 15:06
5 replies
actually true
2021-12-01 15:14
and IGL´s never make TOP 20 i feel like at least because they dont post up insane numbers but ofc they dont cuz they call so good numbers are enough
2021-12-01 15:14
2 replies
Exactly, i know someone thinks like "ahhh but FalleN was igl and he put insane numbers, and blamef aswell" but thats because they made different roles on the team aswell.
2021-12-01 16:56
1 reply
thank you man you understand it <3
2021-12-01 16:59
gla1ve is a bot individually. He only was good in one year, 2018. All the other years he was average-to bad as a rifler or awper
2021-12-01 23:57
probably stewie2k
2021-12-01 15:36
1 reply
yes
2021-12-01 16:26
Stewie2K tabseN XANTARES
2021-12-01 15:37
scream one tap GOAT
2021-12-01 15:40
1 reply
he was in the list some years ago
2021-12-01 15:42
#28
b1t | 
Switzerland C01N
frozen
2021-12-01 16:29
1 reply
#105
 | 
Serbia DjapeZ
+1
2021-12-01 22:58
#29
 | 
Poland brochu
dycha,tabsen
2021-12-01 16:29
#30
 | 
Netherlands Rogierd
AntivaxJ
2021-12-01 16:30
1 reply
definitely underrated
2021-12-02 00:53
#31
 | 
Finland Hoitelia
Aleksib
2021-12-01 16:31
REZ and frozen
2021-12-01 16:31
1 reply
They both deserve it. REZ is a beast, but no trophies..
2021-12-01 16:51
Wut??? Tabsengod never top20 omg it is so sad.
2021-12-01 16:31
7 replies
yes cuz hes igl and people dont respect the numbers hes putting on watch 2018: Tabsen: hltv.org/stats/players/5794/tabsen?start.. TOP 20 : hltv.org/news/25735/top-20-players-of-20.. Sunny: hltv.org/stats/players/5479/sunny?startD.. Oskar: hltv.org/stats/players/798/oskar?startDa.. Much higher Rating than them but they refuse to give it to him :c
2021-12-01 16:43
6 replies
4 replies
still tabsen would have deserved it tho dont forget theyre Cologne Run man
2021-12-01 17:10
3 replies
mouz had a better year than big in 2018, they won 3 events, 2 were t1 big won 0 t1 events, 1 cologne final was basically their entire year hltv.org/news/25740/top-10-teams-of-2018 mouz were actually a much better team, ranked 5th for the year while BIG was 13th behind north/nrg/sk and sunny had a 0.01 better big event rating and only finished #16, tabsen didnt deserve to make it
2021-12-01 17:21
1 reply
Look at that impact and how much higher rating tabsen had vs better teams. Obviously tabsen was playing better but just in a worse team.
2021-12-03 01:26
i think an easier argument would to be to point out a single player that u think tabsen deserved it over, obviously ive already proven both sunny and oskar deserved it more, try another
2021-12-01 17:22
yeah to this day tabsen got robbed from the top 20 in 2018
2021-12-02 00:00
Every member of current LDLC, especially GOAT SIXER
2021-12-01 16:31
3 replies
#36
 | 
San Marino ethanolo
+1
2021-12-01 16:33
#175
 | 
China RADNIKEY
2021-12-03 01:28
1 reply
SIXER was top1 of 2010 , ntnt
2021-12-03 16:24
#41
RUSH | 
Germany rs6a
Zellsis
2021-12-01 16:58
#44
 | 
Brazil PqSxd
Boombl4, Glaive, Nafany, Tabsen... basically most of them are IGL, Xantares, Refrezh and Mantuu.
2021-12-01 17:00
4 replies
Didn't glave make a top 20?
2021-12-01 17:06
1 reply
#165
 | 
Brazil PqSxd
only one
2021-12-02 13:47
#78
 | 
Turkey Clarityb
i think we need a top 25 list further
2021-12-01 17:57
1 reply
#166
 | 
Brazil PqSxd
maybe, a list with players who almost joined, but I think the top 20 should be hard as it is.
2021-12-02 13:47
#45
 | 
Romania tobz83
teses
2021-12-01 17:00
Smoke criminal
2021-12-01 17:05
Swag
2021-12-01 17:06
WolfY
2021-12-01 17:08
NAF in 2020
2021-12-01 17:09
1 reply
Naf god
2021-12-02 00:45
#55
 | 
Netherlands puddingkip
Jame
2021-12-01 17:11
#58
 | 
Italy Skye620
Stewie2k
2021-12-01 17:13
Jame. In 2019: major final, major EVP, blast win, blast MVP, good stats
2021-12-01 17:13
1 reply
Gonna be a robbery if he doesn't make it this year
2021-12-02 00:41
dev1ce wont make top 3 this year.
2021-12-01 17:14
4 replies
#122
 | 
Israel GrandpaZ
Its gonna be s1mple zywoo and Niko/sh1ro
2021-12-01 23:49
3 replies
i think s1mple sh1ro zywoo niko
2021-12-02 00:09
2 replies
#169
 | 
Israel GrandpaZ
I agree, most probably...shiro does have a chance to slip in maybe. Ill also go for Niko as 3rd. I would say 75-25
2021-12-02 15:58
1 reply
Sh1ro got 3 MVPs, Niko has no chance. List is centered around awp abusers
2021-12-03 02:08
#63
arT | 
Spain nTapps
arT
2021-12-01 17:15
jame 2019
2021-12-01 17:16
sixer
2021-12-01 17:59
1 reply
#101
 | 
France Loutcho_Q
0/8 sixer in top 20 hltv 2021
2021-12-01 22:49
mir
2021-12-01 18:08
#84
 | 
Russia mshkoda
el1an
2021-12-01 18:09
Kscerato
2021-12-01 18:10
1 reply
Kscerato GOD
2021-12-02 00:46
s1mple
2021-12-01 18:15
REZ, aizy, tarik, chrisJ, shroud, n0thing, rush, mou, maikelele, rpk, msl, kngv, calyx, jugi, mixwell, niko, michu, es3tag, nitr0, mertz, hadji, aerial, stewie2k those are probably the best players to never be in top20 (not saying they deserved it, but the best not to reach it without including younglings like frozen and others who will most likely be in one by the end of their careers)
2021-12-01 18:25
7 replies
n0thing has been in top 20
2021-12-01 22:53
4 replies
#104
 | 
Poland Fealis_
when?
2021-12-01 22:54
3 replies
2010
2021-12-01 22:59
2 replies
#107
 | 
Poland Fealis_
In 1.6 tho :D
2021-12-01 23:04
Not for GO though, he was still a damn good player early on
2021-12-01 23:05
Maybe Tabsen too
2021-12-02 00:41
1 reply
Yeah but I didn't include him since you already mentioned him
2021-12-02 15:07
karrigan and Broky
2021-12-01 18:32
1 reply
snuck in karrigan i see
2021-12-02 02:05
#93
 | 
Kazakhstan oscar9992
Even though I don't like him but Jame in 2019. Deserved it much more than this year.
2021-12-01 21:01
Spinx
2021-12-01 21:09
1 reply
#121
 | 
Israel GrandpaZ
+1
2021-12-01 23:47
#97
 | 
Korea queendom
REZ, tabseN, hades
2021-12-01 21:12
2 replies
hades bruh
2021-12-02 00:29
hades is very powerful but too inconsistent. Spinx is a more likely option for top 20-30
2021-12-02 14:09
#100
 | 
France Loutcho_Q
ChrisJ
2021-12-01 22:49
forsaken ofc
2021-12-01 22:52
Rez and Stewie2k are the first that come to mind
2021-12-01 23:08
3 replies
Stewie2k and NAF
2021-12-02 00:50
2 replies
NAF was in the top-20
2021-12-02 01:31
1 reply
ok,anyway worth being remembered...
2021-12-03 01:09
Probably Stewie in 2016 or 2017. I think he was a top 20 player then anyway. Not anymore of course. Rez in the same time frame might be a good choice.
2021-12-01 23:14
#120
 | 
Israel GrandpaZ
Hands down frozen
2021-12-01 23:47
Tabsen
2021-12-01 23:49
#126
RpK | 
France HippzZ
RpK, he would probably have been in the top 20 in 2012 tho
2021-12-01 23:58
xantares
2021-12-02 00:01
broky, tabsen I was gonna say osee but maybe theyll add him although its highly unlikely considering the teams success recently
2021-12-02 00:05
2 replies
Osee has a great rating overall, but only a 1.06 rating against top-20 teams and only 5 maps played against top-5 teams
2021-12-02 01:34
1 reply
I mean if they still split NA and EU into equal value im sure he would, but since they have been in europe for a while now I doubt it too
2021-12-02 01:56
#130
 | 
Brazil diGzN
cadian last year. I still have no idea how BROLLAN was included but he wasn't
2021-12-02 00:06
2 replies
Brollan had an MVP in an S-tier tournament, worth a looooot in terms of top-20 placement
2021-12-02 01:36
1 reply
#158
 | 
Brazil diGzN
true, but I still think cadian deserved to be up there
2021-12-02 02:25
#132
 | 
Denmark orwelles
tarik only major mvp to never make it to top 20.
2021-12-02 00:11
1 reply
Tarik god
2021-12-02 00:49
#133
 | 
Ukraine VoidWave
mir
2021-12-02 00:14
#134
 | 
Europe akkastick
wtf!!!! seiously stewie2k and REZ didnt do it??etf happens with hltv top??!!!
2021-12-02 00:23
1 reply
2021-12-02 00:43
ChrisJ
2021-12-02 00:28
do you mean historically or preasumably the ones who wont make it this year,but should?
2021-12-02 00:31
Seized 2016, jame 2019
2021-12-02 00:43
the fact that Jame, stewie2k, chrisJ and nitr0 were never in hltv top 20 is absolutely shocking
2021-12-02 00:48
2 replies
#178
 | 
China RADNIKEY
Idk why chrisj or nitr0 would be shocking, they were insanely inconsistent in terms of their awping and often played more supportive roles when they weren’t
2021-12-03 01:30
1 reply
but u just know them, they were very recognisable in the csgo "peak", nitr0 was playing in a top team his whole carrer, chrisJ was always known as tier 1,5 team star. I think its just safe to say they are pro cs legends, and thats why this is shocking to me that they were never mentioned in top 20
2021-12-03 01:52
saffee Felps
2021-12-02 00:48
if they are so good why are they not in the top20
2021-12-02 00:51
tabseN.
2021-12-02 01:33
1 reply
#160
 | 
France sugasean
tabseN best German player
2021-12-02 02:29
Stew
2021-12-02 01:33
#159
 | 
France sugasean
NAF
2021-12-02 02:29
yung stew and auti
2021-12-02 02:35
5 replies
#176
 | 
China RADNIKEY
autimatic did it
2021-12-03 01:28
4 replies
wait he did? when
2021-12-03 01:29
3 replies
#179
 | 
China RADNIKEY
2018, he was the only player from that major winning roster to make it (which is an unfortunate record as I think tarik is still the only major mvp to have never made top 20)
2021-12-03 01:31
2 replies
ska definitely made it
2021-12-03 01:32
1 reply
#181
 | 
China RADNIKEY
Oh yeah you’re right
2021-12-03 01:35
stew
2021-12-02 06:01
easy, tabsen. i cant believe he didnt make it yet
2021-12-03 01:15
goatmeister
2021-12-03 01:21
Dennis only one time
2021-12-03 01:23
#182
 | 
Brazil art1mus
teses, frozen, aizy, broky, tabsen, aerial, rez, el1an, pronax, mir and I got a feeling they're not putting nafany in top 20 this year too, which would be a travesty
2021-12-03 01:39
try
2021-12-03 02:07
Misutaaa
2021-12-03 02:11
#191
 | 
Ukraine Snigopad
Degster
2021-12-03 10:02
Login or register to add your comment to the discussion.
Now playing
Thumbnail for stream
Brazil
gaules
8536 viewers
Top streams
All(46)
Casters(34)
Streamers(11)
Organizers(1)
Brazil
gaules
(8536)
Brazil
Apoka
(6166)
Other
Elisa Esports
(4197)
Poland
PAGO
(3497)
Portugal
zorlaK
(3122)
United States
fl0m
(2792)
Other
REPUBLEAGUE
(2512)
Brazil
fnx
(2357)
Other
Anomaly
(1803)
Sweden
Esportal
(1530)
Netherlands
D0cC
(1460)
Brazil
nak
(1457)
Romania
jaxi
(803)
Spain
FlipiN
(659)
Russia
OverDrive
(589)
Albania
eSports BLINK
(559)
Brazil
mch
(531)
Romania
Nexus
(402)
Spain
Muit0
(392)
Argentina
forg1
(371)
Russia
UCC
(365)
Other
Fragbite
(359)
Russia
watchfulTV 2
(309)
Poland
HONORIS
(277)
Hungary
Esport1 TV
(269)
Russia
watchfulTV
(251)
Slovakia
Y-Zone
(250)
Poland
Angelka
(249)
Denmark
Dust2 TV
(162)
Other
SCL B
(103)
Other
SCL
(91)
Sweden
draken
(73)
Finland
juho
(49)
Brazil
clodovildocs
(35)
Germany
Segalson
(35)
Slovakia
REPUBLEAGUE
(32)
Serbia
zon1Q
(26)
Germany
Fragster
(25)
Poland
Majki
(10)
Russia
Riley
(8)
Denmark
SandeN
(7)
Sweden
Loff3
(6)
Germany
GoTTi
(5)
Poland
AVEZ
(3)
Other
Allied Esports
(1)
Bulgaria
qnchosad
(1)