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Poland witekzabujca 
how can be hamilton considered GOAT driver if he is racing in GOAT car? that makes no sense. there's a possibility that Latifi could be in hamilton's place if ALL the cars would be the same
2021-12-01 15:03
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#1
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Egypt BomberMan_
you can not consider anyone the goat in f1 in my opinion. every era has been completely different. 70s 80s 90s 00s 10s could all have their seperate goat that is about it. I mean I guess picking the right team is part of a drivers ability. Hamilton did it perfectly with mercedes unlike Alonso and others.
2021-12-01 15:04
19 replies
I think that NASCAR is more relevant, even if all you do there is steering left at 350 kph
2021-12-01 15:06
15 replies
#9
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Egypt BomberMan_
NASCAR is a completely different sport in a sense tbh. Especially since they introduced restrictor plates in the 90s. Also, year 100x easier to compare as it has been basically the same shit with very few f1 like tracks (Dale Earnheart still won in those and did well he is probably the GOAT).
2021-12-01 15:08
11 replies
I think that the best racing class nowadays is GT classes, especially porsche supercup (EVERY driver has THE SAME car)
2021-12-01 15:12
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#18
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Egypt BomberMan_
I dont watch or know much about GT cars and the other open wheel series tbh with you, but yes most other racing series are far more competitive than f1, and you can actually compare drivers better.
2021-12-01 15:13
8 replies
I think that also in Moto GP is the same situation like in F1 - one bike is better than another
2021-12-01 15:14
7 replies
#22
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Egypt BomberMan_
only think I know about Moto GP is Marc Marquez and Valentino Rossi lul.
2021-12-01 15:14
3 replies
ye me2 actually VR46 GOAT Marc Marquez GOAT Rookie (won championship in his debut season)
2021-12-01 15:17
2 replies
#30
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Egypt BomberMan_
I have no clue who is better both were winning tons of titles tho. MotoGP is not that interesting. The only time I see it in the news/videos is when a guy either survives an insane crash or sadly doesnt.
2021-12-01 15:17
1 reply
VR46 is retiring after this season, or retired already idk
2021-12-01 15:18
Lol absolutely no way near you can visually see the riders being better than others, Marc Marquez has been dominating on a lessor machine for my of his career and again you can see his skill, the difference is clear.
2021-12-01 15:18
2 replies
Marc Marquez skilled racer but that is not normally, this very very insane....They need to check him engine and gearbox.....Maybe he not cheating but he beat the GOAT in his debut season....He needs to check-up....
2021-12-01 15:22
+1 that kid is an exceptional prodigy. It's actually insane...
2021-12-01 18:33
IndyCar hella underrated, spec series where the only major difference ends up being the experience of the teams and the skill of the driver.
2021-12-02 16:34
is it really 350 kilometres per hour ??? wtf.
2021-12-02 16:29
2 replies
maybe not on turns but on straight roads, yeah
2021-12-02 16:40
1 reply
crazy shit
2021-12-02 17:03
+1
2021-12-02 08:28
The safety car is the GOAT.
2021-12-02 09:18
Yeah speaking facts
2021-12-02 09:26
#2
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Sweden HLTV_Member
He didn't always have the best car. He beat Alonso in his rookie-year.
2021-12-01 15:05
3 replies
#60
mertz | 
Denmark V1tus
+1111
2021-12-01 18:27
#127
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Hungary Nudlika
He did not beat Alonso. They got equal while being heavily favored by Ron Dennis.
2021-12-02 11:48
1 reply
Officially he finished second while Alonso finished third.
2021-12-02 15:17
#3
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United Kingdom Mattthematt
Witekzabujca goat f1 driver in 2020 Merc?
2021-12-01 15:05
+1 hamilton 0 wins without Mercedes engine
2021-12-01 15:05
1 reply
dumb take
2021-12-02 16:14
F1 is ass since they banned refueling. When I was watching it as a kid best drivers after fucking up the qualifying would start with light car from behind and try to win that way. Nowadays you need best car and you good.
2021-12-01 15:06
6 replies
well, I'm not interested in F1 since Kubica's accident, but I think that refueling ban is for safety
2021-12-01 15:07
1 reply
It makes sense. F1 just got boring afterwards IMO.
2021-12-01 15:09
#13
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Egypt BomberMan_
Bringing refueling would help a lot I agree. lighter cars and more going 100% rather than the tire saving shit show we have to deal with currently. also safety standards can be easily fixed in this era the teams have money and more technology than ever
2021-12-01 15:09
2 replies
Yeah they could decide on a minimum standing time for refueling stops to make it safe and it should be good enough tbh
2021-12-01 15:17
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#33
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Egypt BomberMan_
doesnt even have to be time. Just make it so it is literally impossible to take the hose out while refueling the car with many failsafes there. Even in the 90s and stuff I dont think there were that many mistakes (other than that huge one with Massa if I remember in like 06 or 07 and Jos Verstappen in benneton in like 97).
2021-12-01 15:19
the faster cars would fuel more for qualifying, that's why you had them starting a bit further behind, not because they fucked up. Having more fuel meant they could drive a few laps longer on low fuel, while the slower cars in front had to pit early and had a heavy car, so the overcut was the better strategy back then.
2021-12-03 08:19
#7
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Norway Norvegiya2k
alonso goat
2021-12-01 15:07
3 replies
+1 trust el plan
2021-12-01 15:08
+1
2021-12-01 15:26
+ he lifted up Balon D'or before Messi did Legend
2021-12-01 18:36
#12
NiKo | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina GOATKO
kimi goat
2021-12-01 15:09
If Hamilton isn't a GOAT then who is? And what would Hamilton have to do to become one, or is that not an option for you?
2021-12-01 15:11
17 replies
if now every racer would have the same car and hamilton would dominate season or just win ok he is the goat
2021-12-01 15:13
7 replies
but that's not how it works lol, if every person in the world would have the same life now as Cristiano Ronaldo, everyone would be the same as him like wtf, it's his story and his path how he got there
2021-12-01 15:14
4 replies
Cristiano plays with the same ball as everyone else. Calling Hamilton the goat is nonsense, the guy is being exposed by Ver, he's in a worse car and still leaded the championship so far Fraudmilton isn't just a nickname, it's reality, he had no competition the last few years
2021-12-01 18:01
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#61
mertz | 
Denmark V1tus
Cristiano has access to the best helpers in the world, just like hamilton. The same way ronaldo helps develops his own boots, the same does hamilton. That Merc wouldn't be half as good if Ham weren't there to help develop the damn thing
2021-12-01 18:29
2 replies
You think ham is some kind of mechanic? Lol. If we're talking about mechanic drivers, piquet is the goat + he had real competition
2021-12-01 19:34
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#95
mertz | 
Denmark V1tus
Stop crying for scott speed, none of y'all americans should've made it into F1
2021-12-02 08:15
You're watching the wrong motorsport if you want to see everyone in the same car.
2021-12-01 15:18
1 reply
+1
2021-12-01 15:37
#44
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Norway Balta69
The true GOAT is the only person to beat both Schumacher and Hamilton as teammates m.imgur.com/gallery/14p3xOs
2021-12-01 15:29
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and instantly retiring afterwards while being on the absolute top absolute chad
2021-12-02 16:22
Senna, Schumacher, Lauda, Prost, Hamilton all could be GOAT contenders but this sport can't really have a goat as there's so many factors why would some1 have more points/wins/speed than others. But if I must say who I consider goat is schumacher. I mean He won his first WDC without having points from 4 races. Also for example Fangio, nobody considers this guy as a GOAT, hell more than 80% viewership don't even know who the guy is. Just because he was racing in 1950 and there were like 9races a season back then. But how hard it must've been to control cars in that year etc.. nobody considers it.
2021-12-01 19:00
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#96
mertz | 
Denmark V1tus
Lauda???? PROST????? nah
2021-12-02 08:15
5 replies
This just shows you didn't see how they drove in the car. Their skill was spectacular.
2021-12-02 09:16
3 replies
sure, they were great. But they aren't in the conversation of GOAT status
2021-12-02 09:36
2 replies
Well as I said in my original comment, you can't take it only around points/wins/speed etc.. There are tons of ways that would move driver a little bit closer to the top. And so you know hamilton himself said about his good friend lauda few years back that he takes him as the greatest person in the sport.
2021-12-02 16:27
1 reply
Ever seen his tributes to senna?
2021-12-03 08:11
Prost could have been 6x WDC if he had a bit more luck, something that Hamilton has in excess Vettel is partially a fraud (if you exchange his number of championship titles with Alonso, it would be closer to the true skill of both drivers)
2021-12-02 16:25
tell me that you've been watching f1 since 2019 without telling me you've been watching f1 since 2019
2021-12-01 15:13
11 replies
+1
2021-12-01 15:15
the netflix series probably
2021-12-01 15:20
8 replies
For sure DTS. Literally every person in GOAT contention won their championships in the best cars. Literally every single one of them.
2021-12-01 18:10
7 replies
#62
mertz | 
Denmark V1tus
+1 Senna 88 (goat season) +1 Schumacher 2000-2004 (2004 bestest car ever) +1 Alonso 2005-2006 +1 Sebastian Vettel 2011-2013 +1 Damon Hill +1 Jaque Villeneuve +1 Nico Rosberg (Almost) Every single F1 driver won their championship with the best car.
2021-12-01 18:31
6 replies
Exactly. And if Max wins it this year, he won it in a car that was equal to Hamilton's. Some tracks were highly suited to RB and some were highly suited to Mercedes. It all evens out in the end..
2021-12-01 18:32
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#68
mertz | 
Denmark V1tus
+1 they're extremely equal these cars, such as vettel in the 2010 season. Also i forgot goat brawn 2009 with the best car BY FAR
2021-12-01 18:33
4 replies
Holy shit, Brawn in 2009 were so far ahead xD Vettel in 2010 was just so good to watch. "SEBASTIAN VETTEL, YOU'RE THE WORLD CHAMPION"!!!!!!!
2021-12-01 18:35
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#73
mertz | 
Denmark V1tus
I felt so bad for Alonso, but you know. "Whoever finishes with the most points at the end wins"
2021-12-01 18:35
2 replies
+1.... The way he shook at Vitaly was so unfair. He had so many laps to overtake him but he just wasn't good enough in the end :( Alonso was a monster tho. He carried that shitbox Ferrari so well.
2021-12-01 18:37
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#81
mertz | 
Denmark V1tus
True, Vitaly was racing fair. But Alonso is known to be a hothead, IE hungary 2007
2021-12-01 18:38
+1
2021-12-01 19:00
typical polack XDDD he is one of the best driver ever but you talk that only thanks to his car, im shamed about my country
2021-12-01 15:14
6 replies
okay and I never said that he is not a good driver typical polack XDDD I'm shamed about my country
2021-12-01 15:19
3 replies
you are challanging his position in this sport so in your opinion he is not amazing driver :> ashamed*
2021-12-01 15:24
2 replies
where did I wrote that: "he is not amazing driver" ?
2021-12-01 15:26
1 reply
"how can be hamilton considered GOAT driver if he is racing in GOAT car?" here my polish friend. He would be goat in williams car
2021-12-01 15:30
GOAT KUBICA
2021-12-01 18:54
1 reply
ye ye, Romain Grosjean
2021-12-01 18:59
#23
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Turkey drovious
Latifi is the real GOAT who the fuck is hamilton
2021-12-01 15:15
ty you understand it
2021-12-01 15:15
Just a reminder: KUBICA - 2 great songs Lulmilton - 0
2021-12-01 15:16
he didn't get the goat car every car
2021-12-01 15:20
#41
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Netherlands Lacerta
Stop cry Kubica
2021-12-01 15:26
#42
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Brazil Snaipa_
I won't agree with your Latifi statement because he sucks... but yes lol, people saying that jumping from 20 to 5 on the sprint race was incredible and wow amazing driving but Red bull claimed merc was 15km/h faster tham their cars... so... basically Hamilton was driving AN ULTRA GOD CAR passing through stones and cones
2021-12-01 15:32
2 replies
senna > hamilton
2021-12-01 15:31
1 reply
#69
mertz | 
Denmark V1tus
Hamilton >= Senna
2021-12-01 18:34
#43
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Spain Nepomu
Alonso goat who cares
2021-12-01 15:28
1 reply
#88
DG | 
Spain 1sleep23
have more class bro
2021-12-01 18:50
hamilton >>> schumi, get over it :)
2021-12-01 15:32
1 reply
#66
mertz | 
Denmark V1tus
no not hamilton>>> schumi, but hamilton> schumi Hamilton >= Senna
2021-12-01 18:33
but bottas was average even in mercedes though
2021-12-01 15:34
10 replies
Ssh, don't tell them that.
2021-12-01 18:08
9 replies
yeah idk rly :D people always say this but some drivers are average even in great car and win only sometimes
2021-12-01 18:14
8 replies
Like Schumi in 1994 had Max's dad Jos Verstappen as his teammate and the difference was just mind blowing. Jos didn't do anything great tbh. People forget Valtteri dragged that Williams to multiple podiums before Mercedes happened.
2021-12-01 18:26
7 replies
I didnt watch and I have no clue about what happened simply because I havent watched but yeah I dont know :D its just obviously better car is awesome and of course you have better chances to win and anything but some drivers are not that good and they are not winning in the best car and people still say that its ALL about car and not about driver at all
2021-12-01 18:32
6 replies
Yeah you summed it up perfectly xD
2021-12-01 18:33
5 replies
hah :D sadly this season Kimi is retiring so I dont know which driver to be fan of next years :/
2021-12-01 18:34
4 replies
Ah yeah sad times. Maybe root for Vettel? Great guy and has a great sense of humour and skill. Bonus: has also won the World championship 4 times :)
2021-12-01 18:35
3 replies
yeah I like him but right now idk if it's car or he isn't that motivated but he isn't doing that great but yeah I dont know still, maybe Leclerc - he seems like a nice guy and humble, maybe Russell also idk
2021-12-01 18:37
2 replies
#82
mertz | 
Denmark V1tus
Sainz goat driver RN. Would love to meet him <3
2021-12-01 18:39
1 reply
didnt watch him a lot so idk :D
2021-12-01 19:23
I don't remember who said this but, "the best drivers always seem to find themselves in the best car"
2021-12-01 15:38
2 replies
#77
mertz | 
Denmark V1tus
Probably any non biased analyst ever :D
2021-12-01 18:36
1 reply
#80
mertz | 
Denmark V1tus
also Ronnie Peterson underrated <3 just like my beloved kevin
2021-12-01 18:37
f1 is Bolshevik freemason club
2021-12-01 18:03
1 reply
why'd they kick McLaren and Williams out?
2021-12-01 18:41
its hard to say who is the GOAT in any sport, including your beloved nascar. Times change, people change, sport changes, fans change...ect. Hamilton is a great driver and has proved himself throughout the sport to be one of the greats. F1 is a crazy sport with so many factors, its a great achievement just to compete in an F1 race, many many skilled drivers, but only 20 spots.
2021-12-01 18:06
1 reply
#76
mertz | 
Denmark V1tus
+1 Goat Mazepin
2021-12-01 18:36
He has like 1 championship before he moved to Brawn GP. Schumacher has 7 championships and there wasn't DRS to overtake and competition was much tighter. Ferrari, Renault and Mclaren all had chance to win titles. Mercedes has been unbeatable since rules changed.
2021-12-01 18:16
15 replies
#71
mertz | 
Denmark V1tus
Ferrari 2017, 2018??
2021-12-01 18:34
I'm not taking anything away from the mighty Schumi (because he suggested such tactics) but Ferrari also worked closely with Bridgestone to develop an optimal grooved tyre for the Ferrari cars at the time. For a few seasons in 2000s it was seen as a clear advantage over the Michelin.
2021-12-01 18:42
#97
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Europe Vallon4
+1
2021-12-02 08:23
there wasnt DRS isnt a valid argument all drivers under same conditions
2021-12-02 08:59
11 replies
DRS = Way easier to overtake than 10 years ago. So you had to be great on overtakes, if you wanted win if you started back of the grid. For example Kimi was on the podium when he started back of the grid in Suzuka. Sure hamilton and verstappen easily the most talented drivers on a grid, but winning championships without DRS and having 3 or 4 teams competing for championships. Nowadays if mercedes or redbull starts from back of the grid = easy podium.
2021-12-02 15:20
10 replies
no, it solves a problem introduced by the new cars, that didn't exist 10 years ago new aerodynamics making it harder to overtake = new solution necessary for this problem also its not like you have drs all the time, you need to be max 1 second from the car in front, so no.. argument invalid you just wanna make it very clear that OLD GOOD NEW BAD!!!!!111
2021-12-02 15:26
9 replies
Never said that there's something wrong with F1 now, just saying that comparing F1 2021 and F1 2009 not valid. Totally different drivers, cars and time.
2021-12-02 15:32
8 replies
yea so, way easier to overtake BUT way harder to keep up doesnt make it any less easier
2021-12-02 15:37
7 replies
Sooo... you think nowadays as hard as 20 years ago? Okay what ever.
2021-12-02 15:41
6 replies
no way to know, no way to compare, pointless debate it's """easier""" on paper but if it's that much easier for all drivers it's also harder to win... the only reason why we have such extensive periods of domination from certain teams, is the nature of the economics of the sport if you just wanna say "OLD GOOD NEW BAD", just put it like that
2021-12-02 16:06
5 replies
No. Have watched F1 like 20 years, so I know what I'm talking about. /closed.
2021-12-02 16:06
4 replies
now say it without nostalgia
2021-12-02 16:07
3 replies
F1 nowadays is entartaining to watch. Just sad that competition for championships kinda bland to watch.
2021-12-02 16:10
2 replies
IMO, first entertaining season in ages tbh but yea probably gonna be mercedes again
2021-12-02 16:11
1 reply
hamilton, hamilton, hamilton hamilton, hamilton, rosberg, hamilton, hamilton.... you know. Yes this season has been way more interesting than last 8 seasons.
2021-12-02 16:14
#58
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United Kingdom Samfo7
Best drivers always end up in the best cars eventually. Perfect example is Russell getting the Merc seat next year, if Latiffi was good enough he could've got it.
2021-12-01 18:17
2 replies
#83
mertz | 
Denmark V1tus
+1 still sad Magnussen got cucked by Daddys cash
2021-12-01 18:40
that's ridiculous russel from worst car to the best lmao
2021-12-01 18:40
Yeah the car is important, but considering that bottas can't keep up with Max shows that its more to it than the car. The way he drives, how he overtakes, how hes using the battery and fuel. I'm not a fan of Lewis Hamilton the person, but i can appreciate his skills. You don't win 7 championship's by just having a good car
2021-12-01 18:46
1 reply
He lost to Rosberg in the same car, Rosberg more goat!
2021-12-02 09:04
#99
HugoXD | 
Sweden Eyyo
You can't really compare eras, so to say who is the GOAT is hard. But how many drivers won the F1 championship in different teams with completely different cars? Should tell you something.
2021-12-02 08:28
1 reply
prost. almost won in a renault and a ferrari too.
2021-12-02 08:32
every good driver who uses shit cars in the beginning will end up with good cars
2021-12-02 08:30
1 reply
Just like Kimi did. Started in Sauber -> Mclaren -> Ferrari -> Lotus - Ferrari -> Alfa Romeo.
2021-12-02 08:51
schumi goat end of discussion
2021-12-02 08:56
all drivers who had a "dominant era" got lucky to drive the dominant car by that time that's just a fact also you can't compare eras. same way you can't compare maradona and messi because the sport was very different in both eras, you can't compare senna/schumacher/hamilton in any logical way. the only way to know is to put all drivers in the same car at the same time and see who wins.
2021-12-02 08:58
How dare you compare King Latifi to Hamilton.
2021-12-02 09:00
'60% of the grid could win the world championship with the right car'
2021-12-02 09:26
4 replies
nope 0/8 Vettel has a better car in 2017 n 2018
2021-12-02 09:28
3 replies
its a power phrase from Verstappen, can means you can at least compete
2021-12-02 09:41
2 replies
Compete and being WC is diffrent as heaven n hell m8. Verstappen another unique driver on the grid beside Lulu, but noone can argue bout ocon or stroll can compete with them with the same car. Such as bottas and perez/gasly/albon/Dany
2021-12-02 11:48
1 reply
60% dude! best drivers in the world. they can compete for it in a good car except if ur a pay driver ofc or now
2021-12-02 13:19
#113
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Turkey orionski
i dont consider him GOAT but i think he's top 5 in terms of talent. he's shown it in gp2 and during his McLaren years. Also GOAT is even more subjective in F1 so it's a pointless discussion but people love to talk about it.
2021-12-02 09:33
#116
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Netherlands n3wH0p3
The only other Mercedes driver who beat him in the same car was rosberg and that was once. Idc if you hate him or not, races like Brazil this year show why he is the GOAT ( for now )
2021-12-02 09:46
5 replies
schumi?
2021-12-02 09:54
3 replies
#118
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Netherlands n3wH0p3
Less wins, less poles, same amount of championships. And if Lewis wins this year he'll also have more championships. Amount of wins are close, but the difference in amount of poles is insane , about 40 more poles for Lewis
2021-12-02 10:38
2 replies
well that wont happen but i get what you mean :)
2021-12-02 10:55
Wtf u want schumi to do, there was no feasible way to have 20+ races a year unlike today
2021-12-02 16:18
senna
2021-12-02 16:23
#119
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Germany xxtimxx
Hamilton haters crying again before the Saudi Arabian GP xddddd
2021-12-02 10:43
Hamilton only won 2 World Championships with equal car... the others were just ez wins, except the loss against Rosberg xD
2021-12-02 10:45
Everyone saying bestest car but don't know the fact that example Schumacher had pretty bad car first joining Ferrari and he worked late on race weekends with mechanics to get better car. F1 driver who makes bad car to best and wins with it makes him true goat.
2021-12-02 10:56
the only possible GOAT of F1 is M. Schumacher. Who says anything else is a post 2000 kid who doesnt know what F1 is.
2021-12-02 10:58
3 replies
I loved to watch Schumacher thats why i love Mick aswell but Verstappen is still #1 for me right now.
2021-12-02 11:02
+1
2021-12-02 11:49
+1
2021-12-02 15:40
Verstappen GOAT Driver . Mercedes GOAT Car.
2021-12-02 11:00
Schumacher will always be the GOAT
2021-12-02 15:39
2 replies
#156
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Finland KieZuZ
Häkkinen > Schumi Häkkinen proved he is best and continued his life without the "circus"
2021-12-02 16:28
1 reply
no shot
2021-12-02 17:44
There is only few "goats" in f1.. Raikkonen, Schumacher, Senna then you have fraudmilton in the best car, winstappen in worse car but still the only one to fight mercs which is impressive, so he gets my small goat status and then you have vettel alonso prost and co.
2021-12-02 15:45
3 replies
Should kimi be in that list though?
2021-12-02 16:21
2 replies
yes, he has the driving skills that nobody has
2021-12-02 16:30
1 reply
Ok fair point
2021-12-02 16:30
Hamilton whole career is racing in the best car on the grid. (Except Mercedes for like 3 years) He is a joke. Schumacher is still the best. He wasn't a fake fraud that pretends to care about fans like Hamilton, he has 0 friends because he's fake. His last friend was Rosberg and as you could see they fell because of Hamiltons arrogance and now the only 1/2 friend he has is his assistant that hey pays probably loads for many services including sexual because he'd be a virgin without her.
2021-12-02 16:11
#152
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Brazil wololo10
Can't consider any goat in F1 based on stats
2021-12-02 16:25
1 reply
#153
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Brazil wololo10
Then Vettel > Senna which makes no sense
2021-12-02 16:25
#155
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Finland KieZuZ
-200iq op. Sorry. He is absolute top caliber and has proved 15 years ago that he is worthy of the best car. I dont like him that much and he makes the sport boring and tries to act dramatic. But only an idiot would say he is not atleast Top 3 drivers of all time.
2021-12-02 16:27
Garbage tier take. Nobody tell the poster about Bottas. Not much of a fan of Hamilton but even I can recognize he's a talent that you don't see but once or twice in racing and absolutely deserves more respect than people give him because too many DTS tier fans think the car makes the driver.
2021-12-02 16:41
nikita mazeGOAT goat driver mercedes GOAT car haas soon GOAT car mazeGOAT soon TURBO GOAT
2021-12-02 16:42
Remember when Rosberg beat him with the same car lol
2021-12-03 08:20
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