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are cs orgs profitable?
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Turkey ETERNAL_FIRE_WILL_WIN_MAJOR 
most of people say its not, then why do team owners continue to invest even though they are constantly at a loss?
2021-12-02 12:13
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Because they hope it will be in the future
2021-12-02 12:13
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Germany RIP_MY_NIP
Only profitable org I know is G2, mostly cause they have massive following in LoL and huge sponsorship and merchandise deals
2021-12-02 12:15
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i agree
2021-12-02 12:17
FaZe and 100T are also very profitable orgs, but that's not because of CS.
2021-12-02 12:24
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#13
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Sweden piCt
True. Scamming kids is a good base to lean on, if you want to be profitable.
2021-12-02 12:29
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#15
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France newfreezer
influencers scam kids, not the org
2021-12-02 12:32
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#16
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Sweden piCt
Eeehm. Have we forgotten the casino debacle allready? That is what payed for the CS team..
2021-12-02 12:33
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Germany Mexzy
Casino? You mean a CSGO Gambling Site, so what is the problem?
2021-12-02 13:21
respectable game
2021-12-02 12:15
The mix of ridiculously high buyout clauses mixed with high wages/salary players ask make it near impossible to have a large profit. I could only imagine like the top 5 teams in the world being comfortable with the profit they make. (Unless your name is CHF then you just farm talent with low salary/wages and sell them for high profit.)
2021-12-02 12:16
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Finland Faust_fSt
Depends 100% on the org of course If you have a shit line-up making nothing from prizes, and all your income is your sponsors, while you pay them around 100k a month (combined), it probably is a garbage business. (looking at big NA orgs here) If you have a decent tier 2 team and well run company with sponsors, and you win some prize money every once in a while with ~20k a month salaries, it can be very profitable. (for example early 2021 HAVU, ex-Winstrike)
2021-12-02 12:17
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Gambit in 2020 is also a prime example of how to make profit as a tier 2 team.
2021-12-02 12:26
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no shit, if a cheap team just starts winning massive prize money in T1 who would guess they are making profit for the org
2021-12-02 12:53
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I meant last year when they were still mostly playing as Gambit Youngsters and didn't yet participate in T1 tournaments. Not sure if they were an especially cheap tier 2 team.
2021-12-02 13:02
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in 2019 it was the same roster but w supra instead of hobbit but they won a lan in the end of that year, prolly apart of supra and hobbit they were pretty cheap especially cuz by 2018 Gambit was plain dogshit
2021-12-02 13:05
People just don't know shit There's more to it, most don't know how to run their biz so end up disbanding but rest are doing fine...
2021-12-02 12:17
Top tier teams of course, also teams like X-Kom Ago who are heavily sponsored are surely profitable
2021-12-02 12:20
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which top tier teams?
2021-12-02 12:23
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I would say top30 with some exceptions
2021-12-02 12:24
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Sweden axelious
Define profitable.. They want to have a big market share for the future so they invest any expansion they get instead of taking it out from the company as profit for stakeholders. However NiP expanded like 300 % the last five years so they aren't doing bad. (From 1.7 million euro to 5 million euro in turn-over in the whole organisation between 2016 - 2020, a little less then that afterwards since Covid though) However the industry of sport is that the more you invest the bigger the chance to stay at the top is, so being profitable for shareholders isn't neccessarily the point of owning a sports organisation.
2021-12-02 12:34
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i never thought that NiP made a profit because they have few sponsors.
2021-12-02 12:39
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nip is one of most famous esport team
2021-12-02 12:42
the thing is, majority of them dont invest for success but rather for PR,merch and viewership.
2021-12-02 12:33
Esports orgs are not very cut and dry when it comes to profitable, because they invest into multiple esports, often have influencers and content creators additionally, etc. so it's all a big clump and you can't really separate which sector earns how much money because they make their money from stuff like sponsors and merchandising, so big orgs just want to have a presence in everything in order to maximize publicity and therefore be interesting to sponsors and have a large fanbase for merchandise. The big ones are probably net positive without making profit from cs directly, though it's hard to get numbers for everything that isn't Astralis(Because Astralis is publicly traded), I think Astralis is net negative but they are getting closer to being profitable each year
2021-12-02 12:45
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+1 very true, although your answer is not a meme and probably too realistic for most people to enjoy xd
2021-12-02 13:13
one word : Merchandising
2021-12-02 12:50
they pay me in sex so very profitable
2021-12-02 12:50
OG makes big profit
2021-12-02 12:55
#25
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Germany Sonnabend
Content creation orgs are the ones making big profits.
2021-12-02 12:56
Navi is an insanely profitable org even if you take away all the tournament winnings.
2021-12-02 13:01
#28
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Croatia Momaq
ofc, why would they have the team if its losing them money
2021-12-02 13:04
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#31
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Estonia chaNcexdd
Because they think it will make profit in the future. Uber, Bolt and other "taxi-apps" etc have never had a profitable year for example.
2021-12-02 13:06
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#33
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Croatia Momaq
you have to be really dumb if you think uber doesnt make profit
2021-12-02 13:09
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Estonia chaNcexdd
Yeah just like I thought. Another retard who thinks those companies turn a profit every year. Go use Google a little bit and then come back, scrub ;)
2021-12-02 13:14
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#39
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Croatia Momaq
another kid ignorant of the real world
2021-12-02 13:17
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#41
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Estonia chaNcexdd
You're the ignorant one. It literally takes 5 seconds of Google to find out that Uber doesn't turn a profit. Go back to shagging goats.
2021-12-02 13:28
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#42
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Croatia Momaq
sure bro uber doesnt make profit but their owners get richer try again kid idk why you talking about goats when you live in estonia hahahahahha
2021-12-02 13:28
Uber forecast an adjusted profit of $25 million to $75 million for the last quarter of 2021. Analysts on average expected $114 million, according to Refinitiv data. Uber's and Lyft's operations have yet to become profitable on a net basis, and the companies decline to provide guidance of when that might happen.Nov 4, 2021 literally the first thing google search description... They reinvest.. ofc owners keep millions for themselves because eventually they will turn to profit anyway.. insanely good marketing and business model that can not fail basically. A little bit of delusion from you my guy, to grow business you need to sacrifice and they are pushing their investments to the limit.
2021-12-02 13:42
Money laundry they spend it in other games line ups
2021-12-02 14:06
#29
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Germany who|cars
yea commissions from betting website xdd
2021-12-02 13:04
Copenhagen Flames
2021-12-02 13:08
bump
2021-12-02 13:13
just read #20 thats the answer
2021-12-02 13:15
Mastodons such as NaVi and Fnatic are surely profitable, old ones like Dignitas or Complexity are probably too, successful ones like G2 and Faze are also profitable but I really don't think any new-coming one are anyhow profitable
2021-12-02 13:16
i think most of them were profitable, their main incomes came from sponsors and merch, while some big orgs with franchise slot like blast and esl also get a share from their tournament profit.
2021-12-02 14:02
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