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Poland dawido0305 
How it's probably gonna look like: Jonathan "?EliGE?" Jablonowski Keith "?NAF?" Markovic Josh "?oSee?" Ohm Nick "?nitr0?" Cannella Richard "?shox?" Papillon How it should look like: Jonathan "?EliGE?" Jablonowski Keith "?NAF?" Markovic Josh "?oSee?" Ohm Nick "?nitr0?" Cannella Jake "Stewie2k" Yip
2021-12-02 19:45
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agreed.
2021-12-02 19:46
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#2
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Poland dawido0305
thank you
2021-12-02 19:48
1 reply
Yes pls
2021-12-02 23:14
#3
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Sweden fantaoskar
+1
2021-12-02 19:48
#13
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France newfreezer
+1, stewie is well ahead of shox
2021-12-02 19:56
+1
2021-12-02 21:26
+1
2021-12-03 02:49
0/8
2021-12-02 19:48
9 replies
#5
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Poland dawido0305
expected from dev0ce fan
2021-12-02 19:49
8 replies
#21
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Argentina SantiMedia
dev4ce*
2021-12-02 19:59
7 replies
0 top 1 player of the year
2021-12-02 21:51
6 replies
#87
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Argentina SantiMedia
? Reply needs to have actual content
2021-12-03 02:24
4 replies
? Reply needs to have actual content
2021-12-03 02:47
3 replies
dev4ce hater
2021-12-03 14:14
2 replies
can't hate someone who doesn't exist
2021-12-03 18:47
1 reply
omg
2021-12-04 15:46
JASKJASKJASKJ
2021-12-03 04:59
no. stew is washed.
2021-12-02 19:49
19 replies
#7
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Poland dawido0305
kicking stew removes a certain element to the team that he brings,when he first joined you could see so much more confidence from each of the players.
2021-12-02 19:50
18 replies
the element of not winning internationally?
2021-12-02 19:50
11 replies
only NA player to win a major and intel grand slam (record time) XD
2021-12-02 19:53
lol funny but stew aint the problem his ability to create space is underrated
2021-12-02 19:54
2 replies
There aint no problem on this team.... their mentality and how they approach the game is "the problem". They got fallen, and should have tried with him IGLing they way he likes...... but they didnt want to change.....and that makes no sense, if Fallen didnt come to IGL, there was no reason in bringing him, specially when they have been struggling. Well Nitro is coming back and now elige can stick to what he is comfortable doing.... let's see if it works.... but osee might turn into another grim.
2021-12-04 00:38
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flag+flair checks out
2021-12-04 16:00
#12
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Netherlands Waveley
That's crazy
2021-12-02 19:54
0/8 Man is one of five NA players with a major and the only one with both major and grand slam. You guys just like to hate on him for no reason.
2021-12-03 21:41
2 replies
trophies don't play the game for you in 2021
2021-12-03 21:49
1 reply
True. Fallen, snax, taz, kennys are prime examples. Stewie is overrated in terms of space creator. He is good, not great and that come with a huge ego.
2021-12-04 16:05
#146
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United States gweees
Literally the NA player that won the most internationally
2021-12-04 00:30
2 replies
So don't kick fallen then. 2 times major.
2021-12-04 16:06
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#159
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United States gweees
Tf does that have to do with what I or the person above me said???
2021-12-04 16:32
Ego and Tilt?
2021-12-02 19:59
the element of backstabbing mates in interviews like he did with grim?
2021-12-02 20:05
4 replies
#78
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North America minte
the typa guy to read headlines and not the actual article
2021-12-02 23:16
2 replies
No, It "was positive critics" like when you receive a death sentence and the judge say, after all you are a good inmate. Because calling Grim a kid and saying that he has bad ethics is not condescending.
2021-12-03 02:33
1 reply
+1
2021-12-03 10:45
Read the actual thing, not just the headlines you bot
2021-12-03 21:42
Shox>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stewie2k
2021-12-02 19:51
22 replies
-1
2021-12-02 23:02
13 replies
That's not my opinion just facts. U cant agree with me cuz u fan of TL...
2021-12-02 23:08
12 replies
facts? replacing washed player with another washed, old, past his prime shox.
2021-12-02 23:13
11 replies
Yes his prime is past but i think he is good playing rn ... As a support player he will be amazing
2021-12-02 23:17
10 replies
Yeh shox as support, yeh i guess, better than grim. but Stew is already a key element in bringing more hype of confidence into the team. Liquid is just suffering from contrasting ideas within the team, Fallen and stew just has two different ways of calling. The only thing liquid needs is nitro back as he is the glue of the team. Plus, Stew and Nitro are compatible in calling and are always on the same page, so I think the only change is the addition of nitro that would help liquid get back on their feet. Or maybe -grim and -fallen and keep stew and +nitro and +shox. I agree with you on that standpoint of shox being a good support player, so just replace grim not stew.
2021-12-02 23:38
9 replies
U are right but not at all cuz i think stewie is for sure leaving. But yea shox instead of grim will be more logic. Shox is really experienced so he can sometimes call. Know how to play hard postions and he is sick as 2nd awper. And still good aim .
2021-12-02 23:41
1 reply
+1 agreed
2021-12-02 23:46
What hype ? They have been depressed for the last 2 years. During some matches, Stew looked so titled. He is a good/great entry, but his igl skill and his hype is overrated. He is emotionnal and it is a double edged sword.
2021-12-03 02:37
6 replies
He is emotional and tilts a lot, but that's just his competitive nature when things go south. His igl is not great, just decent, this is why he is not usually picked to become a primary igl as Fallen takes that role. And I would only say they've been feeling down just because they've been losing, like bro who wouldn't be sad. And I do agree that hype is a bit overrated, but also his hype fluctuates a bit, sometimes he's hyped, sometimes he apex level tilts, so yeah i guess he is a double-edged sword.
2021-12-03 04:53
5 replies
But I don't think the +shox will not happen. Nel is promoting one of his boys. I'm pretty sure. Roles-wise I don't make anysense to have two clutchers, while Stew's entrying was important. Which roles nitro will play except the IGL (and the rusty/washed player) ? +obo or +floppy makes more sense than +Shox. I don't hate the guy, I think ppl overrating a lot. He still plays decent, smart cs, but you already have NAF lurking.
2021-12-03 05:07
4 replies
floppy > shox for sure. Plus will work well with oSee, the two are a sick duo.
2021-12-03 21:42
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#137
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United States Waagz
I think to get Floppy would be awesome. I think you make a good point with him working well with Osee and would give Liquid what they need role-wise as well. Win win
2021-12-03 22:04
2 replies
Exactly haha. We just have to wait and see i guess.
2021-12-03 22:06
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#142
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United States Waagz
I think this would be good in keeping the team based in North America which is a rarity now.
2021-12-03 22:14
1/8
2021-12-03 05:00
5 replies
Ye i know u have 1/8 of my iq but dont talk about it
2021-12-03 14:40
4 replies
poland iq
2021-12-03 21:38
3 replies
U are want hurt me but u are too stupid.
2021-12-03 21:40
2 replies
ok
2021-12-04 00:24
reported for not using english
2021-12-04 00:38
0/8. worst roster move ever
2021-12-03 21:42
-1, i like shox, but this is objectively wrong
2021-12-03 21:48
I am not on board at all with Shox to liquid. I do not feel that he will mesh well with NA players and feel like he is mostly past his prime. Having said that, stew needs to go.
2021-12-02 19:56
3 replies
+1 should be floppy instead
2021-12-02 21:43
It's probably the best for stew himself to leave and get a new start. That being said, you're probably one of those guys that wants stew kicked and to that I remind you that stew is the greatest winner in NA history.
2021-12-04 15:59
1 reply
But who gives a shit what he won in 2018. Hes not playing in 2018, he is playing in 2021 lol. Dont base current roster choices off results from the past
2021-12-04 16:19
-shox +VINI. I don't think shox is gonna join a NA team in the long term when his wife is in France
2021-12-02 19:56
7 replies
he is not married
2021-12-02 19:59
6 replies
#25
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Switzerland C01N
he is married, he also has children.
2021-12-02 20:01
4 replies
where u get that from? lmaoo stop spreading misinformation
2021-12-02 20:02
3 replies
#29
b1t | 
Switzerland C01N
he was on hltv confirmed podcast, where he was talking about why he wasn't on bootcamp with the rest of the team during EPL and he talked about his wife and kid there on why he decided to stay home. Here is vod with timestamp: youtube.com/watch?v=0529TNruq6o&t=2467s
2021-12-02 20:05
twitter.com/shoxCSGO pinned tweet, married for 2+ years, has a stepson
2021-12-02 20:05
2021-12-02 20:09
he is maried, and he got a child ( look at his first pic on his tw acount )
2021-12-02 20:11
to their credit they're sticking with NA and not taking the easy international way out. good for the dying scene
2021-12-02 19:57
4 replies
shox is French rofl and this region idea doesn't make more sense than the region having at least one tier 1 team to keep the scene barely floating. I don't think this roster would be that, however. Just buy ES -marke -fang +brehze +obo or keep grim and that is, though.
2021-12-02 21:18
3 replies
If you looked how Elige and Grim react to each other, I guess an another player will be better :)
2021-12-03 05:10
2 replies
elige just needs attitude fix, and get floppy and osee instead of shox. Then liquid can be top 5
2021-12-03 21:43
1 reply
At that point, why not just keep stew instead of getting nitro who might not even be good at CS still. Then Liquid could be top 1.
2021-12-04 15:57
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b1t | 
Switzerland C01N
autimatic was also rumored to be returning to cs, so maybe him instead of shox would make sense because NAF/shox would have role overlap as they are both lurkers.
2021-12-02 19:58
2 replies
screw autimatic and nitr0. There are several better player TL could acquire for these spots. At least one in the case of JT > nitr0
2021-12-02 21:15
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#55
b1t | 
Switzerland C01N
I think nitr0 is better choice because of his chemistry and friendship with EliGE and NAF.
2021-12-02 21:17
#18
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Italy PhilD06
very very very very very very agreed
2021-12-02 19:58
at least 3 humble players. Shox Nitr0 oSee if u put stewie there is too much ego on the team
2021-12-02 19:59
2 replies
+1. I would like Floppy too.
2021-12-03 02:38
1 reply
- shox + floppy = top 5 possibly
2021-12-03 21:44
#23
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North America jcoN
Stew and Elige are def butting heads in the server based on what they both said in interviews. Their time together is over I think
2021-12-02 20:01
1 reply
elige needs an attitude fix, then liquid can be top 5 again
2021-12-03 21:44
#24
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Europe Vallon4
So basically the same lineup as before without Twistzz.
2021-12-02 20:01
nice
2021-12-02 20:02
shox old man
2021-12-02 20:03
-oSee +twistzz could be a good team
2021-12-02 20:04
5 replies
#41
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Poland dawido0305
yeah 2019 vibes
2021-12-02 20:15
4 replies
with who awping lol
2021-12-02 21:14
2 replies
#58
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Poland dawido0305
Stewie? NItro?
2021-12-02 21:35
1 reply
Nitro, then Stewie, then NAF. Maybe get a BR awper if it is not working.
2021-12-03 02:39
nitr0 stewie2k elige naf twistzz sounds like maybe the best NA team ever, could even go on a massive win streak, could even like win a grand slam in 60 days, could be world #1 for 4 months idk just predictions
2021-12-02 21:39
#31
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Brazil Yamat01
VINI >>>>>> Shox and stew
2021-12-02 20:05
1 reply
yes but he doesn't natively speak english so not great and nor is shox. stewie has to go regardless, however.
2021-12-02 21:14
#34
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Brazil jzeni
Vini is not an option anymore?
2021-12-02 20:05
4 replies
i hope he doesn't leave furia. it doesnt make much sense to me to get shox, they could try an upcoming na player or idk an igl like daps
2021-12-02 20:07
3 replies
daps is washed though a good coach/analyst type, I think. JT is far and away better than nitr0 or stan and I dunno who else anyone would add to this NA-region (which also includes South America and apparently South Africa, in JT's case, btw, people) IGL list.
2021-12-02 21:13
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#64
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Brazil jzeni
Why nitr0 dont get back to awping like in the 2019 Liquid
2021-12-02 21:45
Ppl say Shox is a huge gamble. He is not at his prime. Imagine nitro who didnt play in 1 year and return to igl roles with a new meta. I hope he is a fast learner.
2021-12-03 05:13
would rather have Rush instead of shox for full NA lineup
2021-12-02 20:06
1 reply
Just keep Grim and buy ES imo /shrug
2021-12-02 21:09
#36
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Brazil Nicolito
How it will actually will look like: Jonathan "EliGE" Jablonowski Keith "NAF" Markovic Josh "oSee" Ohm Nick "nitr0" Cannella Vinicius "VINI" Figueiredo just wait.
2021-12-02 20:07
3 replies
#40
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Poland dawido0305
VINI already out of interest they say
2021-12-02 20:13
1 reply
#83
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Brazil Yamat01
Source
2021-12-03 01:06
-vini +floppy?
2021-12-03 22:07
i dont understand + nitr0 actually. the guy played valorant for 1 year and now is ready to go back to tier1 of CS being an IGL. a shit move elige, naf, osee, JT and stew - JT better than nitr0 atm elige, naf, osee, dupreeh and magisk - really nice
2021-12-02 20:19
1 reply
dude astralis and liquid combining to win another major haha
2021-12-03 21:45
JT>nitr0 he's a better IGL and probably a better fragger at this point as well since nitr0 played valol for a year
2021-12-02 20:20
There is no world in which TL could keep stewie at this point. If they aren't getting VINI, I would be confused if they still added shox. Keeping Grim, NAF or ELiGE (depending on how you evaluate them and the roster fits) and just buying ES -marke seems like the best move, IMO, but here we are. NAF, ELiGE, shox alone sounds like full tilt mode. nitr0 is not that great. I don't know why people are excited about a player that couldn't get a contract, before pandemic even began and the NA pro scene finally dying... and then left for Val. oSee is obviously a great move for any english-speaking team, particularly a native english speaking team, but I hoped he would end up on a different roster.
2021-12-02 21:10
1 reply
Shox can be emotionnal, but not against his teammates and usually, he remains calm. But yeah, Nitro and Shox are two question marks.
2021-12-03 02:42
nitr0 EliGE NAF oSee Twistzz
2021-12-02 21:10
1 reply
No way Twistzz would return to this shit show when they're about to get ropz
2021-12-02 21:11
Team Liquid : EliGE, NAF, dupree, nitr0, oSee Faze Clan : rain, Twistzz, broky, tabseN, magisk Fnatic : KRIMZ, Brollan, device, karrigan, gade NIP: REZ, Hampus, syrsoN, HEAP, f0rest G2: NiKo, huNter, cadiaN, refrezh, stewie2k
2021-12-02 21:26
7 replies
#65
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Finland Doto_top1
why would they kick smooya and get bot device?
2021-12-02 21:45
#66
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Denmark Pand43N
wuuuut did you smoke? and can i get some??
2021-12-02 21:47
1 reply
He uses parliament aqua blue. And don't ask me how I know that.
2021-12-02 23:16
Stopped reading at Tabsen
2021-12-02 23:15
2 replies
+1
2021-12-03 02:39
eh tbf tabsen is the best German player
2021-12-03 22:02
that g2 roster is what happens when you hit a blunt of pepperoni pizza
2021-12-03 21:52
Looks fucking shit
2021-12-02 21:42
#62
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Pakistan affan22
100% agreed
2021-12-02 21:44
#63
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Finland Doto_top1
stew wants to leave so no can do
2021-12-02 21:45
Solid liquid ELIGE NAF Nitr0 VINI Brehze
2021-12-02 21:47
Stewie10am doesn't have a place in this team
2021-12-02 21:49
If you saw that EliGE interview in between games at IEM Winter, he said he had one regret this year: not taking more of a leader role, not as an IGL but more as a mentor. He wants to take more responsabilities. He probably clashed with Stew & FalleN.
2021-12-02 21:49
#71
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United States Azaqa
Both good, I'd rather stew too but it seems like there are some disagreements in the team
2021-12-02 21:58
#84
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Chile 1cristiaan
+floppy
2021-12-03 01:09
#85
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Canada false_
+1
2021-12-03 01:14
#86
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Japan Legoshi
Nah floppy should be over stew way better as a entry fragger
2021-12-03 01:15
agreed ;)
2021-12-03 02:43
stew couldnt make it work anywhere else, he should definitely stick w naf and elige
2021-12-03 02:44
#97
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Brazil zzzzzzznt
naf elige vini nitro osee
2021-12-03 02:48
grim instead of shox
2021-12-03 02:49
Stewie2iq deserve to play on team like OG or endpoint
2021-12-03 02:50
RUSH, Marke, or VINI make more sense
2021-12-03 02:52
who's entrying, yeah this team dead in 3 months max
2021-12-03 03:09
#103
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North America altoist2
I think this is how it will look. If TL does pick up nitr0 why cant he IGL and support now since he is no longer awping. It makes more sense for them to keep Stewie and let him keep his roles and just changes nitr0s which they already are doing by picking up osee.
2021-12-03 03:15
Jonathan "?HLTVBAN?" Elitist
2021-12-03 03:15
#106
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India Sw0rdzz1
+1
2021-12-03 04:56
- Stewie + CR7
2021-12-03 05:04
-shox -stew +Vini (literally a hard support)
2021-12-03 05:14
nitr0, shox, osee >>>>>>>>>>> fallen, grim, stewie
2021-12-03 21:45
5 replies
but vini instead of shox would be more cool
2021-12-03 21:45
4 replies
Elige is gonna drop for Vini no ?
2021-12-03 21:48
3 replies
naaah no way
2021-12-03 22:04
2 replies
so he will be free agent some team can catch him he's good support and riffler
2021-12-03 22:10
1 reply
maybe he will join coldzera and fallen who knows
2021-12-03 22:16
+1 need stew. people dont understand what he really brings to the team both in and out of the game. shox be bullied in NA team.
2021-12-03 21:53
#135
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Indonesia lukerey
Seems like without stew, half of that team energy is gone. Elige malding, shox malding, nitr0 try to be calm (probably already miss valorant after losing few games) , NAF doesn't give a fuck, osee doesn't even know what's going on.
2021-12-03 21:56
Who cares? They will suck anyway
2021-12-04 00:28
#147
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Finland dvlx
tbh stew is in worse form than shox floppy or automatic would be even better even brehze ( but I doubt he'll be willing to play support)
2021-12-04 00:31
1 reply
#156
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Japan Jewsaki
Autimatic kekw
2021-12-04 16:05
#148
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Sweden 1gloss
I think it will go Liquid oSee ELiGE NAF nitr0 Grim / someone else EG Stewie2k RUSH autimatic Brehze CeRq
2021-12-04 00:33
#160
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United States Rayduh
Stew doesn't work well with NAF and EliGE
2021-12-04 16:33
+1 but i don't think their relationship with stew are fixable for the long run tbh
2021-12-04 16:36
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