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M4A4 Buff
JW | 
Sweden gNeJS 
Will they lower the price to 2900 or increase its stats? Something should be changed about it soon enough.
2021-12-06 02:06
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#1
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United States Pixxelgam
Keep the same, change the A1-S instead
2021-12-06 02:08
10 replies
#3
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Ukraine Slavv_Boss
so we can go back to a4 meta? volvo need to balance the guns in order to give a choice
2021-12-06 02:09
8 replies
#11
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Finland Khroni
So long as the a1-s is like this there is no choice it's just a clear upgrade Smoke spams are so easy to get away with and it ruins T side execs on Mirage and Ancient as examples, unless the a4 gets a major defining change like armoured 1shot heads at close range there is no reason to swap at all
2021-12-06 02:17
7 replies
#17
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Ukraine Slavv_Boss
Personally, I was NEVER an a4 user. Since i joined cs in 2016 I always played with a1s. Smoke spams is a problem tho, ppl shouldnt be able to get away so easily. That is why Im saying that volvo needs to balance the fucking guns, cuz technically pros are never actually given a choice, as there is always a gun that is better than the other one. If they balance it, we would be able to c both. I know it sound like an easy take "jUsT bAlAnCe tHe GuNs", but ultimately its the only correct way
2021-12-06 02:30
6 replies
just balance the guns
2021-12-06 03:03
1 reply
#35
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Ukraine Slavv_Boss
Volvo plz
2021-12-06 03:35
#29
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United Kingdom OllieUK
In my opinion the best way to balance the guns is give the A1-s more damage but lower fire rate and the A4 higher fire rate with lower damage. Also wouldnt mind going back to 20 bullets for the A1-s and they should both be equal in price
2021-12-06 03:13
1 reply
#34
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Ukraine Slavv_Boss
The changes are good, except the bullets. Like cmon, 20 bullets + lower fire rate is a bit much. Imo 25 is perfect, making the magazine 20 bullets will favour a4. Otherwise totally agree
2021-12-06 03:35
#52
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Fiji slstune
ok, so what about other guns that we can choose, like p2000 and usp? why did they even decided to add p2000 instead of usp at first, no version of CS had this gun. just like m4a4
2021-12-06 07:22
1 reply
#72
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Ukraine Slavv_Boss
Good question. That is true that p2k isn’t used a lot. Maybe it also needs some sort of a buff. Maybe increase accuracy? Cuz I know many ppl who play cs, and only 1 of them uses p2k
2021-12-06 12:10
3200 price to balance it, fixed.
2021-12-06 09:04
a4=a1 quit crying
2021-12-06 02:09
3 replies
Right now? Far from equal in my mind, maybe if they were the same price
2021-12-06 03:36
-Cheaper -silenced -more damage -easier spray -better accuracy for long distance engagements ???
2021-12-06 03:47
1 reply
anyone else learn in this thread that the a1s does more damage? lmao
2021-12-06 04:16
make it same dmg as a1?
2021-12-06 02:09
well it still has a use so idk why they would buff it? if you hit first 2 bullets 1hs and 1bs/hs then its better than A1-S in that scenario
2021-12-06 02:10
i think we should swap the stats of the m4a1s and m4a4 but keep the silencer on the a1s to make it viable.
2021-12-06 02:13
1 reply
#27
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Norway Snaids
That sounds really weird, I wanna try that
2021-12-06 03:05
too hard to balance the two weapons to have viable choices on both
2021-12-06 02:15
3 replies
#12
JW | 
Sweden gNeJS
Both to be priced 2900?
2021-12-06 02:18
Idk, the way they balanced mp5 and mp7 is kinda fine. And wasn't too hard
2021-12-06 07:18
1 reply
Both are horrible weapons and aren't used at pro level tho, except the mp5 but it's more than rare
2021-12-06 19:37
#13
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Norway Lassii
Remove the a4 :) The a1 has been there since 1.6
2021-12-06 02:20
1 reply
This
2021-12-07 08:18
#14
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Europe GumGuyHLTV
buff ct side even more that will surely fix the problem lmao. actually not bad, betting CT side comebacks at half time been fun.
2021-12-06 02:20
6 replies
#15
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Asia M@GNU5
fax
2021-12-06 02:23
2 replies
#16
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Europe GumGuyHLTV
remember SSG meta? shit was whack, add scope to m4s lets go.
2021-12-06 02:26
1 reply
#26
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Asia M@GNU5
that will be the next aug
2021-12-06 03:03
#18
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Sweden gNeJS
Buffing a4 doesnt mean buff ct unless u make it more powerful than the a1.
2021-12-06 02:32
1 reply
#70
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Europe GumGuyHLTV
right, cause m4 users will not benefit from the buff, overall making CT stronger. I still see a few pros and some plebs in my lobbies using it.
2021-12-06 10:51
+1
2021-12-06 02:49
#20
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Europe JohnMurphy
m4a1-s 3200 ak-47 3000 m4a4 2900 krieg 2800
2021-12-06 02:51
4 replies
AK at 3000 would lead to 2 round t sides on most maps, because you cant drop one in (2nd round) forcebuys most of the time.
2021-12-06 09:06
3 replies
but the idea of making krieg cheaper or at least equally priced to ak is kinda cool ngl
2021-12-06 09:44
1 reply
+1 Agree it should be changed a bit, not made overpowered but buffed slightly so it isn’t completely pointless anymore
2021-12-07 10:36
I really hate this. Ts get bomb plant first round and they get a better buy than CTs even though they get less money. You can effectively get a buy of 2 aks, 1 scout and 2 galils where 2 players have no armour. Granted you won't have grenades but this buy isn't bad when you just lost the pistol round. Especially because some CTs may want a M4 but can't buy it with head armour because their armour got hit. Or they have to settle for the FAMAS which is so much worse than galil. So it's great when CT economy gets a buff or T economy gets a nerf
2021-12-09 10:45
#21
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Trinidad and Tobago r41
why? m4a1-s was useless for years and nobody complained. m4a1s goated og from 1.6 and has better skins anyway
2021-12-06 02:56
just return a1-s to 3100... don't need to buff a4... maaaaybe a 1 hit hs point blank range...
2021-12-06 02:58
Why not same price, same stats, but a1s keeps silencer and 5 less bullets? Seems fair enough right?
2021-12-06 03:01
1 reply
would be too easy :D
2021-12-06 09:07
A1-S: damage nerf to the same as A4, rate of fire buff to 666 rpm, price increase to 3100$ problem solved A1-S: has a suppresor A4: bigger mags problem solved
2021-12-06 03:03
A1s was basically not used for many years and no one complained about that meta, now the a1s is good now more cry. This is the best meta in years.
2021-12-06 03:11
I think m4a4 should just be 2900 like the a1-s
2021-12-06 03:14
Just invert m4a1 and m4a4 price and we are good to go.
2021-12-06 03:15
a1s $3100 20/40
2021-12-06 03:20
A4 down to 2900 as well Also A1 get one magazine off, 75 -> 50
2021-12-06 03:21
stop crying, A1-s has higher body damage but slower firerate, so TTK is basicaly the same
2021-12-06 03:37
5 replies
I think the bigger issue is the silencer + price along with the ttk make it by far the better choice
2021-12-06 03:38
4 replies
it's slower and has 5 less bullets. If you don't spray and pray all the time and at least sometimes trying to shoot in the head, m4a4 is faster too kill since the delay between the first and second shot is less.
2021-12-06 03:47
3 replies
#47
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Scotland Azaqa
You go for kills through smoke very commonly if you arent a bot, and you don't aim for the head through smokes. This is why m4a1 is 100x better on maps like nuke, inferno (banana, brackets), overpass (monster etc.)
2021-12-06 04:14
1 reply
100x better, well, ok mens)))
2021-12-06 04:16
A1 has more accuracy for fast taps tho
2021-12-06 09:07
Both have price adjusted to $3000
2021-12-06 03:37
#40
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Germany Matrixrl1
maybe make them both 3100 so at least the economic advantage is gone, the gun isnt OP. the smoke spam thing is the only thing that bothers me since its a bit too much of an advantage, but the damage is fine since you can now actually duel with an ak in a spray fight as long as the ak doesnt hit first bullet hs
2021-12-06 03:46
I think the only plausible changes to make is to switch the prices since the M4A4 still has some benefit compared to the A1S, but there are more on the A1S
2021-12-06 03:50
#44
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Brazil De_sperado
maybe price
2021-12-06 04:00
Just remove one of them, ez fix
2021-12-06 04:09
#46
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Scotland Azaqa
Imo price reduction is enough, itll be higher fire rate/5 extra bullets vs silencer/higher damage and then it'll be a real choice, maybe even map dependant
2021-12-06 04:12
Increase recoil on a1-s. It's a no skill laser atm.
2021-12-06 04:18
just remove the M4s, and give AKs to everyone
2021-12-06 07:30
1 reply
We call that communism
2021-12-06 09:10
#54
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Sweden Lagge15
Check he statistics for CT vs T in pro scene I doubt they'll do buffs on CT side
2021-12-06 09:03
1 reply
Balancing the guns isnt buffing since a1 is op itself, imagine full buying with 3550$, even Ts cant get ak full armor with that and you dont need a helmet on ct side, also its a laser gun that pops enemies in hundreths of a second
2021-12-06 09:13
#56
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Sweden SamBbbb
I think that's a good change actually since CT economy is still pretty bad.
2021-12-06 09:05
2 replies
economy as a whole is pretty bad, expecially 2nd round force buys after bomb plants on the t side imo.
2021-12-06 09:08
1 reply
#61
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Sweden SamBbbb
I think that's pretty balanced, I think it would be op if the entire t-side had full ak's and armor for 2 round
2021-12-06 09:09
M4A4 > 2900 M4A1S > 3100 Fixed.
2021-12-06 09:16
3 replies
+1 200$ for the silencer basically, which just makes sense to me. The most simple solution for the moment without touching the guns' damage. And if they want to deal with it properly, so that the use of both guns could remain somewhat equal - making it so that we could choose which to buy while in a match is the best choice in my opinion.
2021-12-06 09:28
2 replies
The only annoying thing with this solution is; CT won't have any proper rifle under $3000 when you have selected the M4A1S. The solution for that would be to allow both to be used, I'm not sure if that is something that can be changed. As you can select one of the two right now.
2021-12-06 10:48
1 reply
#88
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Serbia Ljannister
As CT you don't need helmet most of times so it's practically same thing. For 3700$ you have gun and armor.
2021-12-07 10:56
I would not change the M4A4, I would have a second look at the buff they game the M4A1-S, I think they made it too good.
2021-12-06 09:34
#68
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Netherlands fooky
I really would like to have both guns in the same game to select. I mean, whenever my option is a1s I buy it, If I feel shit with it I can get a4 in the next round. please volvooo
2021-12-06 09:49
Buffing krieg is the priority this gun is ass literally useless but im saying do not make it as strong as it was Just balance it
2021-12-06 10:59
M4a4: -price 2900 M4a1-s: -price 3100 -ammo 20/40 Stats remain the same otherwise
2021-12-07 06:41
just swap prices ez
2021-12-07 06:44
M4A4 price 2850 M4A1 price 3100
2021-12-07 06:45
Swap the prices, leave everything else as is. Both the simplest and the best fix and likely what they'll end up doing in 18 months when they bother patching the game in any meaningful way
2021-12-07 07:09
Maybe this, M4A4 buff: Lower the price to 2900 Make it that it can 1 tap helmets in close range M4A1 nerf: Increase the price to 3100/3150 Change that" laser" recoil
2021-12-07 08:17
-S back to 20 rounds
2021-12-07 08:20
#81
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Finland pate1
Increase m4a1-s price to 3100 and decrease ammo to 20/40. That would be balanced
2021-12-07 09:59
Just get gud aim bruv kekw
2021-12-07 10:02
Make M4a4 oneshot headshot on close range Thoughts?
2021-12-07 10:44
2 replies
Imo both A4 and A1 need to be 1 shot headshot at really close range, like 3-4 meters. Its always pissing me off when I hold some close corner, I dink the guy and he one shot me with AK or deagle before I can shot my second bullet. also A1 should cost 3000, A4 should cost 2900.
2021-12-07 10:47
I would not make CT side any stronger right now, CT is already too strong currently. Increasing the price of the M4A1S and dropping the price of the M4A4 itself should be enough.
2021-12-09 10:31
favorite gun gone to shit?
2021-12-07 10:51
Bring back Krieg meta, that was the best ever time
2021-12-07 11:01
#91
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Switzerland nierg
Increase price of A1 to 3100 again, game is CT-sided anyways rn.
2021-12-09 10:32
#92
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Brazil bandindin
M4A4 - 2700 or 2750
2021-12-09 10:35
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