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Kazakhstan vaezryyy 
Guys and ideas who is gonna be in the top 5 after s1mple? If Zywoo gonna win this tournament and the blast as well he definitely would be top2 Even though ppl call him onliner sh1ro is gonna be top3 cuz he already got 3 mvps NiKo is top4 simply because he didn't win anything at all but it depends on G2 performance at these tournaments I have many contenders for the top5: B1T who did not lose any match on LAN, electronic consistently performs at a high level as well as Hobbit, also Ax1Le who has good aim too But I don't consider any other players for the top5 honestly cuz there is no one except these people
2021-12-06 17:43
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you talk about team achievements when comparing individuals smh my head
2021-12-06 17:45
34 replies
yeah but this thanks to team achievements these players can get MVP which is crucial factor for the defining top
2021-12-06 17:48
24 replies
why are MVPs crucial factors?
2021-12-06 17:56
23 replies
cuz the one who got this award has the best individual performance at the specific event?
2021-12-06 18:12
7 replies
If you have 1.40 rzting at 2 events and then 1.10 in all otherd do you think its better than the one with 1.30 all time ?
2021-12-06 22:05
4 replies
i know that it matters too but just want to convey the fact that mvps plays role too
2021-12-07 11:15
If those two 1.40 ratings gave your team two tournament wins while one with 1.30 did not give your team any wins, I would say that the 1.40 guy has been better when has mattered the most.
2021-12-07 19:43
2 replies
But your rzting goes up automatically when your team is better, thats why you can even see frozen get a random mvp when his team had a 1 month god level, it doesnt change that during the reste he was mediocre, individual top20 is based on 1 total year because thats the only way to know if your "god" level is consistent and permanent or only shows up once every 6 months
2021-12-07 19:48
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I think Frozen should be in top20. Barely but still. I wouldn't think that without the mvp.
2021-12-07 19:56
Latvia wassupgee
or mabye mvp awards are only given to players from the winning team? (like 99% of the time anyways)
2021-12-08 18:53
1 reply
this is the thing, the players of the team that won a particular event do have an advantage in the competition for MVP but for the player from the team that lost in the final and if he had the best rating among players, by getting MVP he would definitely get credit
2021-12-08 19:12
It's literally a fact that MVPs are a crucial factor on who ranks where in the top 20. Without any MVPs you would never be considered to be the number 1 player, as it also proves that you were the biggest factor in why your team won an event (obviously)
2021-12-07 15:35
7 replies
MVPs are only useful in picking between 2 very close players in the rankings. Otherwise their role is little. I would put value over the number of EVPs over MVPs, but even then hltv isnt perfect with those. eye test and stats are the most important by far.
2021-12-07 15:40
6 replies
nope, not true, S1mple had 1.20 rating in 2017, but navi sucked, he got just 1 mvp and was 8th on the list.
2021-12-07 17:45
5 replies
yeah hltv's methods arent perfect as I mentioned. Especially before s1mple's 2018 they overrated MVPs and team titles way way too much so guys like FalleN were second when he should have been that high (still probably top 10 but not second place). A more contemporary example is dupreeh in 2020. He could be top 20 but was never supposed to be 9th.
2021-12-07 19:02
nah they use in the past the players team performance for the top but in 2018 they change it and only focus in the individual performance aka the stats if they use the 2017 criteria dev1ce is back to back top 1 2018-2019 and maybe 2020 too
2021-12-08 17:14
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not sure 'bout 2020, but he would get top1 in 2018 without any doubt
2021-12-08 19:14
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yeah this is why i said maybe , 2020 was astralis 4 titles vs 2 vit and 2 navi so with only 2 more and no lan yeah maybe that year stay with zywoo and s1mple top 1-2
2021-12-09 05:49
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yeah sure
2021-12-09 08:45
hltv takes mvps into consideration
2021-12-08 17:12
6 replies
yes everyone does. I am asking why it is crucial.
2021-12-08 17:37
2 replies
zywoo got #1 last year because s1mple didnt get any mvps/win any events
2021-12-08 18:52
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#138 you know hltv can be at fault here and that is mainly my point is that MVPs are overrated and only matter in cases where it is extremely close you have only MVPs to compare
2021-12-08 20:09
where is dev1ce 2019 and 2018 top 1? whereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee yeah they care more aboy stats mvp are in second place in the top 20
2021-12-09 05:50
2 replies
dev1ce was never a top 1 player lmaooooo
2021-12-09 14:31
1 reply
even HLTV said if device 2018 achievements was in 2017 100% top 1 .-. know imagine with 2 majors mvp
2021-12-09 19:04
shake my head my head?
2021-12-06 18:17
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Slovakia hassenux
2021-12-06 20:03
RIP in peace!
2021-12-07 07:00
2 replies
2021-12-07 11:26
1 reply
Lmao my ass off
2021-12-07 12:02
United States Virgin Islands sukuna
newfag lmfao
2021-12-08 07:42
It's both by technicality, it's more matrimonial when you break down the semantics. You have to be successful as a team to net more valuable individual achievements like MVP's and winning events adds to your statistics, it increases your statistics against Top 5 opponents and it legitimises how good your statistics are also. Like all team games, CS:GO is a team game by its core but it is made up of individuals working together and every team has a star-player.
2021-12-07 11:37
if you lose matches you wont achieve anything as individual
2021-12-07 11:38
ofc he is mentioning team achievements, u brainless dog
2021-12-10 21:19
sh1ro zywoo niko hobbit
2021-12-06 17:46
15 replies
1. s1mple 2. zywOo 3. sh1ro 4. Niko 5. Ax1le 6. ropz 7. Hobbit
2021-12-06 23:42
14 replies
sh1ro above zywoo this year. wtfffff ? ropz above hobbit hahahahahhahahhahaha
2021-12-07 01:02
8 replies
Mongolia heedblank
ropz has better lan stats on a 5x worse team and everyone knows ropz is better than hobbit
2021-12-07 06:33
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France Keironical
if you didn't know how hltv works then let me tell you. 'lan' stats or online stats are literally the same and ropz hasn't achieved anything except flashpoint s3. On the other hand, Hobbit has achieved a lot with Gambit this year so I don't see why ropz should be above Hobbit but I can be wrong.
2021-12-07 07:09
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"if you didn't know how hltv works then let me tell you." Proceeds to sprout bs lul No, LAN stats are not the same as online stats, LAN stats are weighted more heavily.
2021-12-07 15:28
do you really think ropz will be above hobbit ? loooooooool i will not argue with you, probably you don't watch cs.
2021-12-07 11:14
You should figure out how hltv ranking works
2021-12-07 11:21
who is sh1ro ?? did he perform in big event ?
2021-12-07 20:20
2 replies
nops, just IEM katowice 2021 MVP.
2021-12-07 20:31
1 reply
ok so maybe top 10 for him
2021-12-10 21:17
1. s1mple 2. zywoo 3. sh1ro 4. NiKo 5. Hobbit/electronic 6. Hobbit/electronic 7. AxiLe ropz not in Top10)))
2021-12-07 06:40
3 replies
yep, good list. At least the names in this list is guaranteed. Order might change
2021-12-07 20:22
World DolphinfK
1. s1mple 2. sh1ro 3. Zywoo 4. NiKo 5. b1t/Hobbit/electronic 6. b1t/Hobbit/electronic 7. b1t/Hobbit/electronic
2021-12-08 08:05
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India Alphazito
+k0nfig XD
2021-12-08 08:16
I dont think ropz has any merit to be this high
2021-12-07 12:02
Brazil infatico
S1mple Zywoo Niko Sh1ro Kng
2021-12-06 17:47
12 replies
Croatia ufsine
2021-12-06 17:50
Brazil pasinato
2021-12-06 17:57
Brazil Styl0us
2021-12-06 17:58
Taiwan T1dal
Vyacheslav "kng" Kryshyn has had an amazing year so far
2021-12-06 18:09
+1 but replace s1mple with dosia
2021-12-06 18:10
2021-12-06 18:13
1.07 rating against tier 4 kek.
2021-12-06 18:16
2021-12-06 20:06
No way NiKo > Shiro
2021-12-06 23:17
2 replies
in case that g2 gonna perform well at these 2 tournaments probably he would be simply because he got that rating by using just rifles I mean he is not a sniper
2021-12-07 11:23
1 reply
I didn't know HLTV rankings started including rifler/awper logic
2021-12-07 11:25
you'll prove it or
2021-12-07 12:03
s1mple sh1ro/zywoo zywoo/sh1ro Niko Hobbit
2021-12-06 17:47
England ItsDan_HLTV
2. sh1ro 3. ZywOo 4. NiKo 5. Hobbit/Ax1Le
2021-12-06 17:48
France SirC44
electronic probably 5th then hobbit/axile wonder if hunter will be top 10, would be deserved
2021-12-06 17:48
14 replies
after smone in top5 the three aforementioned players contenders for the top5 would be in top10 definitely also we have cadian devve so probably he wont be
2021-12-06 17:54
11 replies
Cadian in top 10? What you been smoking
2021-12-06 18:37
10 replies
who else?
2021-12-06 18:59
9 replies
Nice Danish flag mate. 3x gambit, 2x Navi, Niko and Zywoo will certainly be ahead of both Cadian and Device, so top7 is those. Then we have Jame, Yekindar, Hunter, Ropz, Twistzz where Device is among these guys in some order. Then we have b1t, blamef, KSCERATO, Broky, Frozen who should all be ahead Cadian. Leaves Cadian to be at highest no.18. This considering that Cadian doesn't win Blast global.
2021-12-07 18:05
8 replies
yeah even though they not gonna win blast probably he would definitely be below that he is the person who usually carries his team
2021-12-07 18:42
5 replies
Yeah I agree that Heroic is weird. They have been so consistent in results but lack any superstar players. Meaning that it could be possible (not likely) to not have any heroic players in top20 while they as a team are easily top5 this year. Every player in that team is so good.
2021-12-07 19:36
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i would still go with cadian simply because in 2020 3 players of furia were at the top20 of that year even though they only won a couple of NA events, In comparison with them, heroic won ESL Pro League which might guarantee top to cadian who is quite better than his teammates
2021-12-07 22:12
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In 2020 rankings many still thought that NA cs is almost comparable to Europe cs and Furia did dominate NA. Only after we saw some NA teams come to Europe everyone realised how far NA had fallen. In pro league no Heroic player was even close of mvp. Even Cadian had quite average tournament where his rating was very inconsistent towards the end. But can make top20, yes very possible. Cannot make top10 and I would say not even top15.
2021-12-08 00:00
2 replies
anyway we gonna see were you right or not
2021-12-08 13:22
1 reply
+1 you too
2021-12-08 18:05
top 7 is locked like you said. for top 8, 9, 10, 11 - device, yekindar, jame, b1t maybe then is hunter, blamef, stavn, kscerato, then 5 players left. here could be a lot of people as they are many contenders, so Cadian can be here
2021-12-07 20:27
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I can agree with that.
2021-12-07 23:51
i think hobbit will be above elec
2021-12-06 18:11
hunter has had some terrible performances, I dont think he will be in top 10, top 15 probably, I would guess 11th
2021-12-07 12:04
zeewho niko some gambot elec/b1t
2021-12-06 17:50
Finland Lushkan
The difference between ZywOo and sh1ro is 0.04 only in the favor of ZywOo. The better results will give the 2nd place to sh1ro. Sure ZywOo is a better player, but taking from previous top 20s I would say sh1ro number 2. About the same situation as here. Altho to be fair NAF was below electronic despite having marginally worse stats than magisk, so ZywOo can take it, but winning one of the last 2 tournaments is a condition for it.
2021-12-06 17:50
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Yes, only 0.04 rating difference (overall) and 1.17 impact vs 1.36 XD Zywoo on lan: 1.30 rating 1.38 impact sh1ro 1.23 rating 1.15 impact Zywoo on big events: 1.28 rating 1.36 impact sh1ro 1.17 rating 1.05 impact PGL major: Zywoo 1.30 rating 1.42 impact Sh1ro 1.21 rating 1.11 impact As u can clearly see - There is no way sh1ro will get 2nd place (I doubt he will even get 3rd cuz of niko's good performance overall, especially on lan) He's baiting so hard so he gets better KD, also his best performance was online and got only 1 important MVP (online btw)
2021-12-06 17:56
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Why do you mention Impact separately? Rating 2.0 already includes it. I mean, there are many components, and impact rating isn't necessarily about who is more "impactful" either. I can give you examples of when a player with low impact rating and high overall rating, ranked above the vice-versa, even though the other guy had big achievements.
2021-12-06 18:01
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Because I wanted to show you that sh1ro is baiting a lot to get better statistics. Still, even if u look only at rating - zywoo is much better on important events (LANs/Big events/major) Sh1ro farmed his statistics online mostly. But in this case sh1ro doesn't have big achievments.
2021-12-06 18:05
4 replies
Well yeah, baiters tend to have low impact ratings, by definition. But overall rating is definitely most important. Components like ADR, KDR, Impact are not used separately for rankings. Admins confirmed that last year.
2021-12-06 18:06
3 replies
"But overall rating is definitely most important" And zywoo does have that, he also have better overall rating on lan/major so why would u say sh1ro will get 2nd xd 1 MVP from katowice won't change much
2021-12-06 18:10
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When did I say sh1ro would get 2nd? I was just asking why you isolated one component out of the many that go into the computation of Rating 2.0. ZywOo would be 2nd, I agree.
2021-12-06 18:14
1 reply
Ok, nvm, didn't pay attention to who am I talking to XD The guy I replied said sh1ro will get 2nd.
2021-12-06 18:19
what do u think about 3rd place? Niko gonna get this or sh1ro?
2021-12-07 11:32
1 reply
If niko wins iem winter and gets MVP - I'm 100% sure he will be 3rd. If not - I think it's 50/50 but still I'd say niko cuz of great performance on lans/major.
2021-12-07 13:52
2021-12-06 18:36
3 replies
U forgot about IEM Summer.
2021-12-07 13:57
2 replies
Not elite and navi wasnt even here, iem winter not elite too
2021-12-07 15:11
1 reply
So why did u include Dreamhack there? xD Navi's presence isn't necessary to call it elite event cuz back then they weren't best team.
2021-12-07 15:16
1. s1mple 2. ZywOo 3. NiKo 4. b1t 5. electronic
2021-12-06 17:50
4 replies
very smart take
2021-12-07 14:14
While I can see how delusional navi fans could put b1t in top10 and higher, I have no idea how you can put b1t ahead of electronic. Electronic is ahead of b1t in all the statistics other than headshot% with same achievements. Actually Electronic should have more evp's also.
2021-12-07 19:53
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It was a 50/50 when I made that decision, b1t has the better stats on LAN and better stats against top 20/10/5 opponents so I went for him
2021-12-07 23:19
sh1ro will be in Top 5 - one of b1t/elec will not place above him.
2021-12-07 23:24
"Even though ppl call him onliner sh1ro is gonna be top3 cuz he already got 3 mvps" No he won't, 3 MVPs - 1 from big online event, 1 from online rmr tournament and 1 from t2 lan tournament so tbh only 1 mvp does matter (and not much) Top1 is obv s1mple, then niko/zywoo, sh1ro might be 4th and 5th is probably ax1le (or electronic if he performs good at blast final and maybe gets mvp) B1t won't be in top5, he started playing with navi in late april (almost may)
2021-12-06 17:52
3 replies
If we do not take online events or not highest level lan tournaments into consideration, we have mvp winners of; S1mple, S1mple, S1mple. Then someone new from iem winter. Then likely S1mple again from blast global. Since S1mple is already top1 regardless, are you saying that mvp this year holds no value at all?
2021-12-08 00:18
2 replies
They do but MVPs from online tournaments or T2 got much less value than MVP from lan event.
2021-12-08 12:29
1 reply
Well that I can agree. That top level lan tournaments mvp's of iem winter mvp and blast global final should hold more value than others (not counting S1mple ones). But the other mvp's still exist and should hold value as much as normal mvp's in normal times.
2021-12-08 18:20
1) s1mple 2) ZywOo 3) sh1ro 4) Niko 5) Ax1le/Hobbit (probably Ax1le) As of now, I feel.
2021-12-06 17:52
Dosia | 
Russia Rapu
1. S1mple 2. ZywOo 3. Sh1ro 4. NiKo 5. Hobbit
2021-12-06 17:54
I would have it aimed towards more the LAN events but Gambit will be rewarded for being online warlords. my top 5 would be s1mple, Zywoo/Niko, Hobbit, Sh1ro. Navi would have 3 in the top 5 if it was based on LAN events which is pretty insane
2021-12-06 18:00
1 reply
Haha nice name online warlords LMAO
2021-12-06 18:07
Brazil NotJuan
zywoo shiro simple hobbit niko
2021-12-06 18:00
it's impossible for B1T to be anywhere near top 5 ffs why do people keep saying this
2021-12-06 18:02
4 replies
bc recency bias and he is a great player, def top 10 but not top 5
2021-12-06 18:08
he dropped insane numbers in all three big LAN tournaments this year, which just like last year will be weighted much heavier than the online crap, so top 10-15 would be possible. He has the 4th highest LAN rating of 2021 behind s1mple, ZywOo and NiKo with electronic right behind him. Pretty nuts tbh, NaVi has 3 out of the 5 best LAN player in 2021.
2021-12-06 18:12
Algeria he_car
+1 i dont even think he is getting any higher than top 10 tbh, dont get me wrong, he has been amazing but his stats are still low overall for top 9-5+ he only is playing as a 5th since may.
2021-12-06 18:12
probably because he has a 1.28 at LAN where it matters and has won pretty much everything this year... impossible though
2021-12-06 18:32
2 - Sh1ro 3 - Zywoo 4 - Niko 5 - Electronic 6/7 - Hobbit/Axile 8 - B1T 9 - Jame 10- Hunter/Device
2021-12-06 18:04
4 replies
Jame xD
2021-12-06 18:34
2 replies
he would be in top 8-13
2021-12-06 19:40
if he reaches final of IEM winter he might get the mvp, so then he will definitely be in top 10
2021-12-07 20:29
maybe yekindar instead of Hunter, yekindar will be higher than hunter I think
2021-12-07 20:28
Ukraine McSwell
In terms of current achievements: 2. shiro 3. NiKo 4. Zywoo In terms of pure skill, team role and carrying ability: 2. NiKo 3. Zywoo 4. shiro But everything can change after last 2 events of 2021
2021-12-06 18:06
6 replies
So u do think that zywoo who carries his team every time would be intop3 in your second top?
2021-12-06 18:08
4 replies
Ukraine McSwell
Not everytime. Zywoo and NikO carry their teams equally, but NiKo is a rifler and has a harder role
2021-12-06 18:09
3 replies
but he has also teammates that can perform at a good level stably, hunter and nexa? Zywoo has no one , everyone except him is very unstable
2021-12-06 18:14
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Ukraine McSwell
That's why G2 till now achieved more than Vitality in 2021.
2021-12-06 18:16
1 reply
guess it is the reason why you put zywoo in the second place?
2021-12-06 18:28
Zywoo even have more skill than s1mple, when vitality will be better his rating will again surpass s1mple
2021-12-07 15:16
United States miragessbm
s1mple zywoo sh1ro niko elec or hobbit
2021-12-06 18:06
s1mple zywoo sh1ro niko hobbit EZ
2021-12-06 18:14
2021-12-06 18:21
s1mple, NiKo, zywOo, sh1ro and YEKINDAR.
2021-12-06 18:43
1 reply
would be good to see yekindar at top 10
2021-12-06 20:00
Top 5 without FalleN? JOKE carrying malding 20y/olds definetly deserves top 3
2021-12-06 20:01
FalleN BadFallen Verdadeiro TwoFaced Gabriel Toledo
2021-12-06 20:08
Canada Virauve
So G2 has been far better than Vitality all this year, except for the post break drubbing. When knocking down niko, it’s because G2 hasn’t won anyone. Neither has Vitality. Niko carried G2 to a major finals. Zywoo couldn’t do that. I think there’s a stronger case of Niko being 2nd than zywoo. You are also comparing a non-AWPer to an AWPer, so the HLTV rating is always going to look better for awpers.
2021-12-06 20:11
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NiKo | 
Sweden Rifile
i agree that niko has been impressive but i doubt he will be placed higher than zywoo :(
2021-12-06 20:13
1 reply
one of the reasons for that zywoo has been carrying all the time. Niko has hunter and nexa though
2021-12-06 21:57
But HLTV doesn't care about role, it's all about statistics + achievments
2021-12-06 22:06
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Canada Virauve
Statistics for awpers are skewed. They save more than riflers, so their deaths are lower. They don’t entry on bomb sites, typically are one of the last ones to enter, so information is already known of enemy positions. Less deaths, and at tier 1 information is everything. AWPers are typically more insulated than riflers. Padding their stats. It’s why top-3 according to HLTV rating 2.0 are all AWPers.
2021-12-06 23:15
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"They don’t entry on bomb sites, typically are one of the last ones to enter" Not really, it depends on a player, zywoo goes as a entry pretty often, sometimes he buys an ak (even if they can afford awp) cuz he got good spawn and he can go out and try to get opening kill. But most likely u are right, that's why like top5 in last few years are mostly awpers and sometimes rifler squeeze in.
2021-12-07 02:16
You definitely don't watch zywoo to say that, he is hard entry and rifler on some maps like inferno and dlesnt even play awp on all maps, shox take it a lot and ellte event rating :
2021-12-07 15:15
at the absolute most b1t would only be around 9th, he joined late and his stats aren’t abnormal enough to warrant such a high placing
2021-12-06 20:15
and another one overrating b1t again, like seriously? 5th? LMAO
2021-12-06 21:18
allu top6
2021-12-06 21:22
1.S1mple 2.Zywoo 3.Sh1ro 4.Niko
2021-12-06 22:01
1. s1mple 2. Sh1ro 3.Niko 4.Zywoo 5.electronic/b1t/Hobbit/Ax1le
2021-12-06 22:01
I think 100% 1.s1mple 2.Zywoo 50/50% 3.sh1ro 4.Niko
2021-12-06 22:03
s1mple shiro zywooe niko b1t
2021-12-06 22:11
1. s1mple 2. sh1ro / ZywOo / NiKo 3. ZywOo / NiKo / sh1ro 4. NiKo / sh1ro / ZywOo 5. electronic / Hobbit 6. Hobbit / electronic
2021-12-06 23:21
2 replies
mr obvious
2021-12-07 11:22
1 reply
2021-12-07 20:56
s1mple sh1ro NiKo ZywOo electronic
2021-12-06 23:23
s1mple NiKo ZywOo sh1ro B1t
2021-12-07 02:55
1 reply
2021-12-07 15:13
1. s1mple 2. ZywOo 3. b1t/NiKo 4. NiKo/b1t 5. electronic But hltv are sh0ro fans, so he'll probably in top5 somehow
2021-12-07 03:03
1) S1mple 2) NiKo 3) Sh1ro 4) ZywOo 5) Hobbit Edit: B1t 6th
2021-12-07 06:20
1 reply
if NiKo gets at least 1 MVP then 1) s1mple 2) ZywOo 3) sh1ro 4) NiKo 5) Hobbit but if NiKo doesn't get any MVP, then 1) s1mple 2) ZywOo 3) sh1ro 4) Hobbit 5) Ax1le
2021-12-07 06:29
23 replies
Not really sure why you think NiKo's position is doubtful. When in fact, zywoo is in the same position with no mvp right now. And way less deeper run in tournaments compared to G2.
2021-12-07 12:59
22 replies
Same position ? Bro comon ...
2021-12-07 15:13
10 replies
He's talking about mvp requirement. Not exactly the ratings.
2021-12-07 17:07
9 replies
Yes but mvp are used by hltv only at the end, when 2 players are close in ratings which is not the case here
2021-12-07 17:42
8 replies
There's literally 0 mvps. rating alone isn't enough.No trophies is one thing, having no mvp to show for is an entirely different thing.
2021-12-07 20:00
7 replies
You dont need mvp for individual level, thats why EVPS exist so that even if your team hard suck you can still earn individual awards while other players that are way worst like frozen can get an mvp if their team plays god mode only 1 toornament. The key is consistency and individual level for the top20 not team achievement, team achievement are looked into only at the end when you cant seperate individually 2 players
2021-12-07 20:17
6 replies
It's not just EVPs that matter. MVPs carry a lot more weight than EVPs. Even if it's a fluke they do matter. S1mple lost #1 last year ,one of the reasons being CIS RMR didn't have mvp then. You don't use just EVPs to suit your ranking. You can't simply disregard MVPs. Deeper runs matter too.
2021-12-08 05:24
5 replies
s1mple and zywoo had the same stats thats the big diff and also even with cis rmrm mvp zywoo still would have way more mvps, absolutey differents for players that have huge diff in stats
2021-12-08 16:44
4 replies
Not really. S1mple and Zywoo were pretty close in terms of stats. 1 more mvp would have tipped the ranking in s1mple's favour. And striker wouldn't have brought it up as a reason if it mattered for nothing. The graph shows s1mple's consistency throughout the year compared to Zywoo's up and down performance. In this year, Zywoo has 0 mvp. Same goes for NiKo. There's no question of less mvps here. It's literally nada. So i don't see why Zywoo should get #2 and why NiKo is required mvp to be better placed when he his team had deeper runs compared to vitality
2021-12-08 17:19
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Just go on 2020 top ranking and you will ser that zywoo had a better consistency rating and more map with 1.0+ rating, so your first arg is wrong and 6 vs 3/4 mvp would have still been is zywoo's favor. And why are you still talking about niko that has same stats as hobbit (1.19 rating) when zywoo is literally 1.30. Niko has to win mvp to overcome hobbit, while sh1ro even with 8 mvp is too far away from zywoo in terms of stats to be top2, and btw 1.08 impact against top10 (4th from his team)
2021-12-08 18:00
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I just linked you the graph itself #185 . Check the drop off between March 20 and Jun 20. Zywoo wasn't consistent throughout the year. He was not that great in the first half of the year and people disregarded him even from top 5 then. Only in second half of the year did he pick up pace. Atleast be mindful of what you argue man. Zywoo had many things going for him for that #1, consistency through out the year wasn't one among them. #176 NiKo beats hobbit in big events and lan ratings by a mile. Heck, NiKo rating in major is better than Zywoo's. In big events, Zywoo and NiKo are really close. Big events like major and other few events ofc weigh alot more than other regular tournaments. Ax1le had a better chance than sh1ro to be #2 , had he not dropped off massively in the latter half of year. So i am not gonna argue for sh1ro here. Since you talk about specifics like that. Against top 5, NiKo rating is pretty much equal to Zywoo's with massive 89.9 ADR.
2021-12-08 18:45
1 reply bri just check consistency rating and % of map with 1+ rating, zywoo is literally first in this stat stop showing me useless things, also i also think that niko should be over sh1ro because he is for me a better player but way far away from zywoo, actyally you have to filter on 10 maps to find something where he is close but overall its not even close
2021-12-08 19:01
In big events ZywOo's rating is like 0.08 higher than sh1ro, he is just so above him Gambit's duo are very close to NiKo and they have 2 more MVPs than him, and possibly same amount of EVPs edit: for context: Big Events: All Events:
2021-12-08 07:00
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I am not contesting about the rating here. In rating Zywoo is ahead,no doubt about that. What i'm talking about is the number of mvps each player has. Zywoo has 0 now. You need to have atleast 1 to actually make it reasonable to place above other better achieved players. NiKo has 0 mvp, just like Zywoo. When you casually place Zywoo at 2nd place on rating alone, why is NiKo required to have mvp for 3rd place with that logic when his team had deeper runs in the year compared to vitality. Not to mention NiKo major rating > Zywoo rating. It just seemed absurd to read him say ,NiKo needs 1 mvp to place better when he had Zywoo at 2nd place. One more thing , NiKo against top 5 rating almost similar to Zywoo's against top 5 in 2021. In Big Events as well, it's almost similar but NiKo with better ADR
2021-12-08 07:35
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The difference is this: ZywOo has 1.28 in whole 2021, and 1.31 in big events sh1ro has 1.25 in whole 2021, and 1.22 in big events. ZywOo without doubt put a better performance than sh1ro with almost 0.10 more rating in the biggest events of the year. There shouldn't even be a doubt that he was better than sh1ro. sh1ro can still get top2 because of his MVPs, but 2 of them were in lower tiered events, so I aren't think that. When the difference between NiKo and Gambit duo is: NiKo 1.21 in 2021, and 1.18 in big events Ax1le 1.18 in 2021, and 1.18 in big events (Their rating difference is only 0.03, but in big events their rating is the SAME) Hobbit 1.18 in 2021, and 1.16 in big events (The gap is very close, much closer than the gap between ZywOo and sh1ro). When the gap is VERY close, then having 2 MVP is going to worth more than having 0.03 better rating.
2021-12-08 07:58
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As i said before, i wasn't contesting about the ratings. As for your " 2 of them low tier" , IEM CIS wasn't filled with tier 2. "NiKo 1.18 in big events" Not really sure what you're seeing. NiKo is ahead of hobbit and ax1le by a mile in big events. NiKo is far ahead in LAN rating as well That's nowhere near being close.
2021-12-08 08:34
7 replies
elite events rating if you want :
2021-12-08 16:45
6 replies
Yeah,elite events of your choosing. Hltv label big events for namesake, don't they.
2021-12-08 17:09
5 replies
You really think cologne and katowice arent big events lol ?
2021-12-08 17:56
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Lmao. Hltv literally provides an option to check Big events rating. You casually selected whichever event suited your argument and labeled it Elite events and named those 2 events as justification. aha jeez.
2021-12-08 18:16
3 replies
are you retarded or what ? just check the events that are in, literally only the elite events even the very big one that hltv doesnt put in "big event" and where zywoo was not that good iem cologne 2021
2021-12-08 18:31
2 replies
Oh god. The baffoon talks about being a retard when ignoring the site which pretty much labels big events on it's own including IEM cologne. Apparently Conveniently selecting the events and looking at ratings is the way to go for biased shits.
2021-12-08 18:55
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i only took the toornaments big names like cologne / katowice and the biggest ones with all the best teams in the world icluding navi, just tell me an event that should be in it then
2021-12-08 19:02
1) s1mple 2)sh1ro 3)zywoo 4)hobbit 5)niko
2021-12-07 06:34
zywoo will be most likely second like s1mple was in 2019 bcs of his stats
2021-12-07 07:05
You want my non biased take? Well let's see... 1. S1mple 2. Zywoo 3. Niko 4.Shiro 5. Electronic 6. B1t 7. Hobbit 8. Ax1le 9. Yekindar 10. Dev1ce ... OK kinda biased lol. Could happen thoo depending on how heavy lans are rated.
2021-12-07 11:22
4 replies
Device > Yekindar
2021-12-07 11:34
2 replies
True i put them in the wrong order
2021-12-07 11:53
1 reply
2021-12-07 12:43
would go with hobbit axile for the 6th , anyway its great top by far
2021-12-07 14:10
As good as B1T is, don't think he will be Top 5 this year... The candidates are: s1mple, ZywOo, NiKo, Electronic, sh1ro, Hobbit and Ax1Le, in my opinion.
2021-12-07 12:00
Turkey waveila
s1mple xantares woxic imorr calyx or xfloud maybe
2021-12-07 13:59
1 reply
you'd better paz and woxic
2021-12-07 14:09
idiots... 1. s1mple 2. sh1ro 3. zywOo 4. niko/hobbit (niko 90%) 5. hobbit/niko 6. ax1le 7. electronic 8. YEKINDAR 9. device 10. b1t
2021-12-07 15:43
electronic on 5
2021-12-07 15:46
1. s1mple 2. zywoo 3. sh1ro 4. niko 5. hobbit 6. electronic 7. b1t 8. ax1le
2021-12-07 17:48
What if G2 wins IEM Winter and NiKo is MVP?
2021-12-07 18:46
1 reply
i would mention this possibility but theyr playin with kennys dude
2021-12-08 19:26
Most boring threads on HLTV
2021-12-07 19:53
zywoo is top 2 regardless if he wins or losses this event
2021-12-07 20:01
zywoo is 2nd 100% the rating difference between him and sh1ro is just too big for sh1ros achievements to matter
2021-12-07 20:22
s1mple sh1ro zywho niko hunter
2021-12-07 20:29
s1mple niko zywoo smooya smooya again
2021-12-07 20:59
zywoo top 1 s2mple top 2
2021-12-07 23:20
1. s1mple 2. Zywoo/NiKo depends on who wins the events, I think if NiKo gets an mvp he will get number 2. 3. Zywoo/Niko
2021-12-08 07:44
1 reply
4. shiro 5. pretty open i would have to say, maybe b1t
2021-12-08 08:13
S1mple Zywoo NiKo Sh1ro Flusha
2021-12-08 08:30
1. s1mple 2. ZywOo 3. device 4. Niko 5. sh1ro
2021-12-08 08:56
NiKo by far the best rifler in the world and his impact shows it. Tough for him when it’s awp meta. I really think G2 could thrive if they find consistent main awp and NiKo can secondary awp on CT side. NiKo 3, don’t bring that baiter sh1ro crap in here. Gambit got figured out very quickly this year, they won’t last.
2021-12-08 17:20
1 reply
yeah probably he would be top3
2021-12-08 19:25
NiKo was top2 at all the relevant LAN's this year.
2021-12-08 18:09
Slovenia Batina
1. s1mple 2. sh1ro 3. ZywOo 4. hobbit 5. NiKo Most realistic one
2021-12-08 18:21
1 reply
flair checks out
2021-12-13 17:54
These f*ckers will follow the stats, not what's right, just like they did in 2019/20 My list would be 1) s1mple (if he isn't everybody should cancel HLTV) 2) NiKo 3) electronic rest whatever, hard to say Gambit/Vitality shined most but maybe Heroic/VP deserved it too, also FaZe/NiP/Liquid as honorable mentions ZywOo doesn't deserve top 3, 0 tournament wins, you have to win to be one of the best players. Top 5 arguably, but top 6-10 would be a nice position. I think the rest of Navi, Gambit, and G2 deserve more than him.
2021-12-08 18:28
1 reply
niko won nothing and he is 2 in your ranking? and you say it s about team archivement .. but it s not it s player rating.. the only thing that matter is stats, and if 2 player are close, it s mvps
2021-12-08 18:46
S1mple NiKo Sh1ro Zywoo Lobanjica
2021-12-08 18:38
if the tier 1 tournaments where online then its still counted
2021-12-08 18:51
top 5 without fallen? joke.
2021-12-08 19:03
1. S1mple 2. Zywoo 3. Aleksib 4. JW 5. Sunny 6. Niko
2021-12-09 07:44
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