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Denmark Newcastle_United 
1. s1mple 2. zywoo 3. sh1ro 4. niko 5. ax1le 6. hobbit 7. dev1ce 8. electronic 9. jame 10. electonic 11. blemeF 12. YEKINDAR 13. hunter 14. twistzz 15. b1t 16. broky 17. ropz 18. perfecto 19. KSCERATO 20. cadiaN
2021-12-06 18:48
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3. sh1ro 4. niko reverse that
2021-12-06 18:48
28 replies
why? 2021 sh1ro 3MVP 2021 NiKo 0mvp
2021-12-06 18:50
6 replies
#56
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Brazil cattivo
he wants go and do it, you are his slave
2021-12-06 19:40
Less questions more reversing
2021-12-06 22:55
#106
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Uzbekistan R_Sick
Reverse this instance
2021-12-07 11:08
then sh1ro should be top 2 instead of zywoo
2021-12-07 11:33
2 replies
no
2021-12-07 15:23
1 reply
zywoo 0 mvp sh1ro 3 mvp
2021-12-07 16:02
3 mvps vs 0 mvps 6 trophies vs 0 trophies
2021-12-06 18:50
20 replies
high places just for the "name"
2021-12-06 18:55
4 replies
pretty sure sh1ro also has a higher overall rating in big events this year, so the only thing NiKo could possibly have over him is his teams higher LAN placements (but still no wins)
2021-12-06 18:59
3 replies
all agreed
2021-12-06 18:59
1 reply
mate thats the big events filter which is trash, you need to manually select all the main events of the year
2021-12-06 20:00
Numbers looks great! But not anymore if u include that these 3 MVPs are for IEM Katowice Online, IEM Fall CIS and V4 (T2 tournament) XD 6 trophies? I think u are fake flagging, no way guy from finland can't even count to 3 cuz only 3 trophies does matter (IEM Katowice, Blast FInals, IEM Summer, rest is irrelevant)
2021-12-06 20:12
14 replies
useless point NiKo has none of these, as much as you like to discredit sh1ros trophies and mvps lmao
2021-12-06 20:21
9 replies
But niko has much better statistics on lan/big events/major, also got higher placements on tournaments that matters and as long as LANs are higher valued, sh1ro's trophies or mvps from t2/online tournament are useless.
2021-12-06 20:23
8 replies
there are 5x more online events, saying they wont count is braindead, but nt
2021-12-06 22:19
7 replies
11 online events, 5 lans, it's not 5x more but nt I didn't say anywhere they won't count, I said that they are valued less and they are useless cuz they won't give him 3rd place over niko who has much better statistics on lan/big events/major + got better placements on important events.
2021-12-06 22:33
6 replies
your argument is pointless #5
2021-12-06 22:34
5 replies
And your agument is dumb if u think winning T2 tournament or getting MVP from it will count
2021-12-06 22:36
4 replies
mvps are only given from top tier events, so yes, they will count :D nt
2021-12-06 22:36
3 replies
No they won't =DD Entropiq, BIG, Fiend, MR, Enterprise, esuba, sinners Very top event :DDDD
2021-12-06 22:37
2 replies
you do realise mvps are given out by hltv themselves? and so is top20, so yes, an mvp is an mvp according to them i assume youre baiting so wont reply after this one lmao
2021-12-06 22:38
1 reply
Call me at the of the year when sh1ro will end at 4th Ty
2021-12-06 22:39
why wouldnt you count EPIC league and IEM Fall if everybody counted last years EU RMR? this year CIS were great region and even if its not as big as Katowice Cologne Major and such events its still pretty big win
2021-12-06 21:35
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Why wouldn't I count epic league? idk, maybe because they fucking allowed akuma to cheat XDD Because these are smaller events and top teams from different regions are missing. I mean u might count EU events cuz most of top teams are from EU anyway but it wouldn't be fair so none of RMR events should count.
2021-12-06 21:46
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it was last year when akuma cheated or this year? epic league was actually first RMR almost right after Katowice with Gambit VP Spirit all made top 4 and NAVI in region as well pretty good
2021-12-06 23:34
1 reply
This year.
2021-12-06 23:42
Accurate IMO
2021-12-06 18:49
I would put Niko Higher just because I value LAN over online and a smaller LAN performance is worth either more or the same as an online performance.
2021-12-06 18:50
2 replies
V4 Future Sports Festival 2021 (fluke) IEM Fall 2021 CIS IEM Katowice 2021 dont think so sry
2021-12-06 18:51
1 reply
iem kato was online
2021-12-06 19:31
electronic so good got put twice
2021-12-06 18:55
3 replies
lol yes he is
2021-12-06 18:57
1 reply
Great name. It's where I live :D
2021-12-07 18:31
10. guys is electonic btw
2021-12-06 18:57
#11
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United States Pixxelgam
My top 5: 1. simple 2. Simple 3. Simple 4. simple 5. Simple
2021-12-06 18:58
4 replies
very good
2021-12-06 18:59
same +1
2021-12-06 19:00
1 reply
#21
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United States Pixxelgam
Yeezy match my dior bag thats just what im feelin like
2021-12-06 19:01
same bro +1
2021-12-06 21:38
#13
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Australia poppyxox
twistzz lmao very much doubt he is in top 20
2021-12-06 18:59
6 replies
same as ropz . ropz only got 1 mvp whole career but 3 (7,10,19) top20 ranking.
2021-12-06 19:03
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#23
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Australia poppyxox
he actually puts up numbers though at least from what ive seen twistzz hasnt really done much this year, thats what im basing it off not MVPs lol, they really dont matter unless ur going for top 5 but thats an assumption i dont know their formula or whatever they use like think about it, if twistzz didnt get a place in top 20 in 2020, no way he'll get anything in 2021
2021-12-06 19:06
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#27
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Australia poppyxox
one clip? i have also seen this as well but i could think of 20 other players who have done more than twistzz performance and tournament wise lmao
2021-12-06 19:08
2 replies
we will see real list its only my opinion
2021-12-06 19:09
1 reply
#29
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Australia poppyxox
ye ye of course same
2021-12-06 19:10
why device so high? Is he good? I don't remember.
2021-12-06 19:00
1 reply
Nice copium
2021-12-06 21:29
it looks very good but for me hobbit > ax1le
2021-12-06 19:00
1 reply
hobbit kazak legend
2021-12-06 19:04
cadiaN lmao worst heroic player only stavn will be in top 20 maybe TeSeS
2021-12-06 19:01
2 replies
only for clutch aganist Gambit
2021-12-06 19:07
1 reply
lmao super overrated clutch at 15:6
2021-12-06 19:21
1. s1mple 2. s2mple 3. s3mple 4. s4mple 5. s5mple
2021-12-06 19:01
#30
catgirl | 
Europe r41
1. s1mple 2. sh1ro 3. Hobbit 4. niko 5. Zywoo
2021-12-06 19:11
2 replies
not gonna happen
2021-12-06 19:16
#71
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Croatia ufsine
hobbit over niko and zywoo. yup sure mate
2021-12-06 20:58
#31
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Germany Mitzuky
electronic'll be top 5 imo
2021-12-06 19:11
worst top 20 iver seen electronic higher b1t higher perfecto is not making top 20 ax1le is not top 5 over h0bbit, not in this world cadian is not top 20 maybe stavn from heroic
2021-12-06 19:12
12 replies
+1
2021-12-06 19:13
Why perfecto doesn't deserve top 20?
2021-12-06 19:14
10 replies
lets not be delusional, im a navi fan as well but perfecto is not worth of top 20 this year
2021-12-06 19:15
9 replies
It's not all about stats bro, he is support (probably best in the world) so he definetly deserves it
2021-12-06 19:18
8 replies
roles were never considered. hltv top20 is based on individual performance so no, perfecto doesnt deserve top20 in ranking like that
2021-12-06 19:19
7 replies
What do you consider individual performance? You only look at stats bro
2021-12-06 19:21
6 replies
because hltv top20 is based on stats...its not that hard to understand it
2021-12-06 19:21
5 replies
Stats show nothing ingame my friend
2021-12-06 19:23
4 replies
i agree with that. stats can be missleading and they dont show whole story. perfecto is indeed one of the best if not the best support player but it changes nothing. in hltv ranking which is based on individual performance and stats perfecto doesnt deserve top20
2021-12-06 19:24
2 replies
I agree with you, top 20 is retarded a little bit, thank you for respect and being nice user
2021-12-06 19:30
1 reply
it is how it is. there will never be 100% accurate ranking that would consider all aspects and compare them objectivelly. its kinda impossible:D have a nice day buddy
2021-12-06 19:31
#70
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
The problem with statistics is that they can only paint so much of a certain picture. Otherwise, IGL's would be highly rated purely in terms of roles and impact ratings. :D
2021-12-06 20:49
electonic>electronic imo
2021-12-06 19:12
2 replies
electonic beast
2021-12-06 19:38
1 reply
but Perfecto won't make it bro and cadian too
2021-12-06 19:50
#40
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Ukraine BonixZ
8. electronic 9. jame 10. electonic ???
2021-12-06 19:20
1 reply
to late man we already discussed about that
2021-12-06 19:38
#46
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Argentina atriX^
I guess it's decent but since the year has been more online, placing electronic and b1t is tougher. Electronic can make top10 but b1t is unrealistic because he joined full-time in April and didn't have elite numbers until Cologne. Perfecto is not top20. cadiaN is not top20. YEKINDAR is top10. Hobbit over Ax1Le for sure. Ropz rounding up top10 probably, Jame could never be above YEKINDAR. KSCERATO a bit higher. And we are coming to a point where NiKo could surpass sh1ro. device should be lower than 7. Maybe 9? Placing electronic is the toughest for me.
2021-12-06 19:27
1 reply
Jame has an mvp
2021-12-06 21:31
axile lower
2021-12-06 19:28
this mofo put device over electronic i am deaaad
2021-12-06 19:39
#55
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Brazil ImReverx
17. ropz 19. KSCERATO kek
2021-12-06 19:39
i think NAF will be somewhere in top 20, elige might snag a spot too. doubt twistzz or kscerato will get a spot
2021-12-06 19:42
2 replies
fallen best player on team liquid and ur listing elige and naf lmao
2021-12-06 20:02
1 reply
1/8
2021-12-06 21:26
#58
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Germany KoalaZZZ
noone sees 2 electronics in top?
2021-12-06 19:42
top 20 without fallen? joke
2021-12-06 20:01
Probably the worst year yet for NA, next to 0 relevance in any EU tournament and only 1 NA player in top 20 (who’s playing for an EU team)
2021-12-06 20:04
Probably, 2. Sh1ro 3. Niko 4. Zywoo. Niko has 3 EVP, 2do position on a Major and the EVP of the Major. 2do on Cologne. And the 2do rating 2.0 in big events. But, TOP 4 is difficult to predict (Except for the first, S1mple sure).
2021-12-06 20:07
3 replies
Zywoo has 0.13 more rating and 7EVPs
2021-12-07 17:45
2 replies
Where do you look for the EVP´s?
2021-12-07 18:14
1 reply
They are not yet out but you can look for the stats of every events
2021-12-07 18:32
1. Imo NiKo > Sh1ro 2. who is "10. electonic" 3. -broky, twistzz, perfecto, cadian (no chance for top20) 4. "blemeF" Overrated
2021-12-06 20:08
#69
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
A respectful take, friend. :) If Electronic is supposed to be 10th, who was supposed to be 8th?
2021-12-06 20:39
4 replies
Me :)
2021-12-06 22:21
3 replies
Ah, how could we all forget? :D
2021-12-07 11:03
watch out, this dude played mm with INS, future s1mple we got here lol cringe
2021-12-07 17:39
1 reply
It really got to you and also I'm not a future s1mple, I'm a future me))
2021-12-07 18:29
#73
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United States hondayzx
dev1ce top 10....
2021-12-06 21:28
6 replies
I mean, just check stats on LAN in 2021. Maybe you'll wonder why he's there
2021-12-06 21:30
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#94
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United States hondayzx
hes probably gonna get #12 because of how inconsistent he was online and they didnt win shit this year
2021-12-06 22:49
4 replies
They kinda did - They won IEM fall (Dev1ce got mvp) They aattended to 2 finals & quaalified for major. So i kinda don't know from where you getting those staats tho xD
2021-12-06 22:52
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#100
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United States hondayzx
i dont count IEM fall as a big tourney given there were only 3 tier one teams at best
2021-12-07 00:24
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I never said it was a big tourney. U mentioned 'not winning shit' And no, there were t1 teams in the tournament. I could actually mention them, but since you didn't take 5 seconds to check it yourself and u came to co argue with a 'lie', please. Check it yourself aand have a nice evening <3
2021-12-07 00:29
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#104
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United States hondayzx
"I could actually mention them", i know their only real competition was vitality but im too scared to admit im wrong
2021-12-07 01:30
electronic too stronk so hes twice in the top 10
2021-12-06 21:30
#80
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France Kaaai
there's no way electronic is higher than electronic
2021-12-06 21:43
1 reply
Bro are you dumb? electronic 1 major electronic 0 major, get your facts right
2021-12-07 11:11
top 20 without FalleN? Joke.
2021-12-06 22:34
1 reply
if he will do top 100 we will pm you
2021-12-07 11:09
so you wanna have 3 gambit players in top 6 for only playing good cs for 3-4 months online while not from NAVI winning every tournament, from april/may to the end of the year GS, Major, Cologne ? are you kidding me - electronic definitely top 5/6, and maybe b1t for top 10
2021-12-06 22:45
hltv already said b1t is top 10-5 based on the fact hes one of the very best players of the year at big events
2021-12-06 22:47
Proper list by hltv logic: (dont hate on me, i am just using hltv logic and understandings from past top 20 lists. Players like device being too high is based of hltv bias so dont hate me and push ur hate onto htlv for being bias 1. S1mple (cant say anytihng about that, he has 6 mvps all from tier 1 and 2 from the only 2 lans and a mjaor, prob if he wins blast gonna take it unless b1t fucking yanks it cause hei s a beast or electronic says, i could be better than s1mple) 2. Sh1ro/Zywoo (sh1ro most likely since his stats are just getting better and better plus 3 mvp andlots of evps and his lan peformance is stil lvery good) 3. Zywoo/Sh1ro (zwyoo prob here since hltv loves to value mvps over stats, in the history of top3 hltv therehas never been a player in top 3 with no mvp, closest was electronic in 2018 4th but since its zywoo he can break that.) 4. Ax1le (2 mvps from tier 1 tournements, very good grandfinal peformacnes, higher peaks than hobbit, more consistent than him to, he had a good cologne peformance) 5. Niko/hobbit (niko mostl likely but could change if he wins an mvp or just puts up s1mple numbers rest of year which has to be 1.3+ to boost his ratings high but he could sneak into top 4 but with no mvp, i dont think so.) 6. Hobbit/Niko (most likely hobbit due to achievemnts but one of his mvps are from cis only tourney so not as notable as ax1le's mvp or niko's stats taht will over take hobbit.) 7. Electronic (tons of evps and is very consistent and an absolute beast on lan and lan peformance is prob valued higher 8. Yekindar ( 1.37 impact rating is insane and has insane peaks, prob some evps but not higher due to his consistency) 9. Device (even though shadow of himself, knowing hltv he prob top 9 cause of hjis iem fall mvp (i know i dont want him this high but this is hltv logic so fuck hltv bias) 10. blameF (has good stats but no achievemnts, but he prob got evp at blast and that holds some value and not to mention is qualified for worlds so he could rack an evp there or even mvp) 11. b1t (the rookie of the year who is cracked AF, woulda been higher if he played first 4 months fully, but his lan peformances push him up the rankings despite not playing much first 4 months and his stats arent that good overall (he could be in top 10 if he racks an evp where he is in top 3 of the mvp race) 12. Twistzz ( has very good lan peformacne (1.17 rating on lan), has evp from iem cologne on lan and is in form rn and got 1.15 at blast which is lan with crowd) (over elige cause of lan peformance which is crucial) 13. Ropz (has worthy stats of being higher but no achievements to back up) 14. Jame (his adr is poor and his impact isnt as high as an awper should be and played horrible at the major where it coulda boosted him top top 10 if he played good, but his stats are good so hltv logic plus evp at katwoice) 15. Elige (played mostly in europe so cant say anything about that, his lan peformacnes put him down this low but he prob has iem katowice evp and is still a very good player) 16. Hunter (prob lots of evp cause of g2 semi placings and final on lan) 17. Naf (good stats but doesnt have as much achievemtns (but prob evp at blast global) as elige cause elige was their driving force at katowice,) 18. Stavn (currently playing like a star and is heroic's best player and prob has evps from their placings but cant be higher) 19. Broky (good on lan besides this blast but still and he has some high peaks and evp from cologne) 20. mantuu/kserato/cadian/nafany/frozen/el1an whatever but they dont have achievements to back up like kserato frozen or their stats to back up like nafany cadian or didnt play at major like mantuu
2021-12-07 00:05
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Frozen has mvp this year. Other than that, didn't read.
2021-12-07 17:44
i want to see godfecto in top 20 just like xyp was
2021-12-07 00:56
where is REZ?
2021-12-07 01:02
1 reply
where elctronic is
2021-12-07 11:12
newcastle fan? nice
2021-12-07 11:13
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