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Does B1T deserves to be in TOP 20?
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Brazil BrazilHasNoScene 
His stats are good but the thing that he joined the main roster in April 2021 can keep him away from top 20 this year. What do you think?
2021-12-07 13:52
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ofc top 20 maybe even top 10
2021-12-07 13:52
44 replies
Top 10? Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2021-12-07 16:56
40 replies
theres a reason why i wrote maybe
2021-12-07 17:16
can you name 10 better players than b1t in 2021? i didnt think so.
2021-12-07 20:16
36 replies
s1mple zywoo ropz NiKo sh1ro ax1le hobbit twistzz electronic k0nfig blameF hunter (sometimes) stavn device. these are off the top of my head
2021-12-07 20:49
35 replies
What about trophies?
2021-12-07 20:52
10 replies
trophies are won by the whole team not by an individual. sure he's done amazing and he is amazing individually as well but he's not top ten yet. he has a lot of room to grow and he needs experience. he will probably be top 10 next year.
2021-12-07 20:55
8 replies
He carried navi to playoffs and had the highest rating in the team at that time
2021-12-08 04:58
5 replies
#243
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Canada loldougie
Top 20 is for the whole year, not a couple tournaments
2021-12-08 06:13
2 replies
+1 B1T was actually negative rated for his first 4 months in Navi. Even after becoming a permanent member from April-May, he was just average (less than 1.05) till July. Only from Cologne onwards, he's suddenly become a beast. In the last 3 LANs, B1T has been amazing, and so there's been a lot of recency bias.
2021-12-08 12:19
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There certainly is a lot of recency bias. But lans and big events are weighed more, and at those he performed like a top 10 player. So it'll probably balance out, and he'll probably placed somewhere close to 17th on the hltv top 20.
2021-12-09 21:55
carried? he has the best player on his team he has the best rifler on his team and the best support on his team (and b1ad3)
2021-12-08 15:27
1 reply
b1ad3 top 10 confirmed
2021-12-08 15:29
+1
2021-12-08 08:12
1 reply
#271
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Macau 33t33
nonsense
2021-12-08 12:14
#318
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Latvia wassupgee
hes on a team with simple da fuck are u talking about? 0 trophies for him if they take simple away
2021-12-08 18:41
what did ropz, twistzz, k0nfig, blameF, hunter, stavn or even device do this year?
2021-12-07 21:59
9 replies
hunter won my heart <3
2021-12-07 22:32
3 replies
+1
2021-12-07 22:56
nice. but there isnt a real reason why b1t shouldn't be in top10. he is top4 rating in big events past 12 months, won intel grand slam, major. gonna win blast.
2021-12-08 00:06
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fnx was 19th in 2016, i think b1t will get 6th
2021-12-08 03:48
dev1ce have 1 mvp superior dev1ce XD
2021-12-08 02:49
#298
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Canada loldougie
Top fragged? Which is what top 20 means lol
2021-12-08 17:17
3 replies
lol! but what did they do better than b1t? none of them have better rating in big events, none of them won intel grand slam, none of them won major, none of them will win blast like b1t.
2021-12-08 17:46
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#353
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Canada loldougie
B1T's rating in the first half of the year wasn't good. And the event wins are team wins, not personal.
2021-12-09 19:37
1 reply
that is why i used "big events" as a filter since those are the only relevant ones. he is top4 rated in big events.
2021-12-09 21:49
complexity have had an awful year, i doubt blame and konfig make top 20
2021-12-08 03:13
3 replies
blameF could, he did last year and coL werent that good back then either
2021-12-08 03:28
2 replies
yeah, we'll see, both are obvs good players but stats will take a huge hit when team is on that form that they disband
2021-12-08 03:29
1 reply
well yeah but blameF was the only one in coL who still was a solid player even when losing all the time k0nfig will not be top20 because of his injury
2021-12-08 03:43
youre high
2021-12-08 05:04
Twistzz, konfig, blameF, and stavn will 100% be below b1t. There's no debate here. Even ropz will probably place below B1t
2021-12-08 06:03
Twistzz in top 20 xd konfig not playing half year xd and baitf above major winner xd
2021-12-08 08:08
Stavn?! KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
2021-12-08 14:15
0/8
2021-12-08 14:17
Twistzz, stavn, hunter? Are you baiting?
2021-12-08 14:17
twistzz electronic k0nfig blameF hunter. if thats who your down to then b1t should be top 10
2021-12-08 17:51
Twistzz, k0nfig, blameF, hunter, stavn, and device have not been anywhere near as good as b1t.
2021-12-08 19:35
2 replies
that's just because their team didn't have a lot less success. individually i think they all top b1t
2021-12-08 20:29
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Of that list, the only player I could see being argued for is k0nfig. Twistzz has been very underwhelming in his role, blame basically killed an entire team, hunter was underwhelming for a while this year, stavn is similar but slightly worse IMO, and device has been yikes
2021-12-08 21:27
#270
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Macau 33t33
yes.
2021-12-08 12:13
B1t top 7-8, screenshot this, kid
2021-12-08 18:39
Top 5 easily.
2021-12-07 22:16
1 reply
nah top5 aint gonna happen, i bet my left nut on it
2021-12-08 14:17
+1 lmao easily
2021-12-07 22:25
Yes, easily
2021-12-07 13:52
1 reply
What are you waiting for then? List plz
2021-12-07 20:50
#4
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Poland szuleek
top 15-20 for sure
2021-12-07 13:53
He won more in 8 month than NiKo did in his 6 years of competitive CSGO career
2021-12-07 13:53
36 replies
he was won more in less than a year on T1 CS than 99% of CSGO players ever.
2021-12-07 13:53
#7
b1t | 
Europe Vryx
It really doesn’t matter if he wins more then another individual player, it’s by the stats that will determine his placement.
2021-12-07 13:54
20 replies
winnings are very important as well
2021-12-07 14:16
19 replies
#53
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Poland iOFF
so boomich is better than niko?
2021-12-07 14:48
17 replies
no but if you have player A with 5 tournaments win and 1.20 rating and player B with 1 tournament win and 1.22 rating, player A would be higher on the ranking
2021-12-07 15:02
13 replies
except the fact the B player has more maps and way higher impact
2021-12-07 15:54
12 replies
How would player B have more maps played and higher impact if he was eliminated earlier in tournaments than player A? He would actually have less maps played and lower impact due to more losses.
2021-12-08 03:05
6 replies
what if player B went to every tournament final too..
2021-12-08 08:44
4 replies
What if player A and B were in the same team
2021-12-08 12:23
3 replies
bro wtf, that's impossible
2021-12-08 12:24
1 reply
But what if
2021-12-08 12:28
lol
2021-12-08 15:31
maybe because NiKo plays tier 1 cs all year long not since july
2021-12-08 15:55
how is more maps always a good thing. for example on lan g2 and vitality both have more maps than navi since they play 3 map series far more often. that shouldnt go in your favour. matches sure but maps is rewarding bad play over solid play
2021-12-08 17:52
4 replies
NiKo has more maps against tier 1 teams in a team that doesn't win anything, he's solo carrying, b1t has been in tier 1 since july this year, way less maps and way less impact, he's a top 10 player but not above NiKo
2021-12-08 19:11
3 replies
Statistically he is. having to play more maps is meaningless if its just becasue you loose and each series goes to 3 maps. yes eye test clearly tells us nikos better tho
2021-12-08 19:23
2 replies
b1t against top 20 this year: 1.09 rating 1.03 impact NiKo: 1.19 rating 1.28 impact but b1t is better??
2021-12-08 19:30
1 reply
this threads long. were on about lan
2021-12-08 19:31
like you compare a 1.00ish guy vs 1.20 and the 1.20 would win easily
2021-12-07 15:02
#74
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Estonia thisba!tes
NiKo >>> Boombl4 >>>>>>>> niko
2021-12-07 15:39
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#99
Dosia | 
Poland iOFF
bośnia niko
2021-12-07 16:16
#173
b1t | 
Europe Vryx
Yeah ofc it’s important but not as important as stats. The players that are top 20 have a high consistent stats
2021-12-07 20:16
He won more in 8 month than s1mple did in his 6 years of competitive CSGO career
2021-12-07 13:56
5 replies
and thats not true
2021-12-07 15:31
1 reply
S1mple 1 Katowice_b1t 0 Katowice
2021-12-07 15:35
Everything B1T won this year s1mple won them too.
2021-12-07 15:33
Didn’t expect more from HLTV user lmao Literal braindead comment
2021-12-07 17:38
#144
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Taiwan T1dal
lmao someone hasnt been watching cs for the past year
2021-12-07 17:50
That's not relevant is it ?
2021-12-07 14:03
So dumb, like if Messi won every event guess his teammates should all be ranked the best players in the world.
2021-12-07 14:03
Why you mentioned especially NiKo in this thread ? This shows your hate for NiKo. Why didn't you mention someone else or just say he won so many trophies in one year than many players in their whole careers ?
2021-12-07 15:43
1 reply
+1
2021-12-08 13:51
#175
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Poland moistu
not only victories count, but statistics.
2021-12-07 20:17
damn that's crazy niko's ak still has more skill than B1T in his entire body =DDDDD
2021-12-07 20:48
2 replies
#272
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Macau 33t33
ok. does it matter
2021-12-08 12:16
1 reply
idk this dumbass is saying dumb shit like that
2021-12-08 14:11
he should be top 5 imo. insane performances at all the big events
2021-12-07 13:54
36 replies
Yeah he is performing very well but this year offers like 5 players that could fight for top 4 and top 5 and I think electronic, niko > b1t this year
2021-12-07 13:58
definitely not top5, stop with this nonsense
2021-12-07 13:59
hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01.. "insane performances at all the big events" I don't think so.
2021-12-07 15:10
30 replies
U implying that naf or Jame with bare playoff runs will be higher than b1t or what's ur point here?
2021-12-07 15:40
15 replies
I literally wrote what's my point XD U should figure it out if u have more than 30 IQ.
2021-12-07 15:47
14 replies
Those are insane stats, also there are insane chances of gambit failing on lan once again while Navi are likely to win it, and if so guess who will boost their stats and EVP count even further
2021-12-07 16:47
13 replies
1.12 rating aren't insane stats. Still there will be most likely s1mple/zywoo/niko ahead of him and electronic has a big chance to overtake him. Also ax1le/hobbit are pretty close and unlike other players (except navi ofc) they won something/got some mvps (online tournaments but reward is a reward, it will help them) He started playing with navi in may so imo he doesn't deserve to be top5 yet, he has insane stats on LAN but it was only 3 tournaments and navi dominated them so even boomb4 or perfecto got good stats there.
2021-12-07 17:04
12 replies
you just cant work the filter on hltv but thats ok. 1.26 rating on lan. 3rd best in the world. obviosly online counts for something so id drop him to borderline top 10 but anything more is stupid
2021-12-08 17:55
11 replies
4th*
2021-12-08 17:56
10 replies
hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01.. No map filter discounts g2 with that fixed hltv.org/stats?startDate=2021-01-01&endD.. hes still 3rd
2021-12-08 17:59
9 replies
8 replies
you cant read its ok
2021-12-08 18:09
7 replies
First u send me stats from only big events and when u realized u lost, u added IEM winter and iem fall when niko played almost 10 maps more XDDDD
2021-12-08 18:15
6 replies
i only included lans but you cant speak english its ok. also i didnt add iem winter. i put on the lan filter for all events.
2021-12-08 18:18
5 replies
You can't use ur brain its ok. IEM winter and iem fall are kinda irrelevant, statistics from big events are most important so niko is 3rd, b1t 4th, thank you.
2021-12-08 18:22
4 replies
monekiii brain prefare online to lan. also you do realise iem winter and fall both favour niko since b1t hasnt played either and niko has done very well. if you dont give niko that advantage its not even close between b1t and niko
2021-12-08 18:29
3 replies
And u said I can't speak english kkkkkkkkkkkkkk Favour how? Your little albanian brain doesn't understand that playing more maps means it's harder to keep good rating?
2021-12-08 18:33
2 replies
if your acually good youll drop less maps. if your good youll also win mvps or trophys
2021-12-08 18:34
1 reply
You know that he has more maps cuz he played 1 tournament more? U can't win trophies (nice english, again) if you don't have a team, it's impossible to do that 1v5.
2021-12-08 18:39
Change the filter to LAN and he’s top 3, just sayin
2021-12-07 15:54
7 replies
He said big events, not lan events, just sayin. And he will be 4th cuz niko has 1.27 while b1t 1.26 but niko isn't on that list for some reason xD
2021-12-07 15:57
6 replies
ahah didn't see that it was only a few teams, my bad you right
2021-12-07 17:19
Generally speaking, slightly lesser rating with more achievements will rank above someone having slightly higher rating with 0 achievements.
2021-12-07 17:39
4 replies
But finishing 2nd or in top4 in few important tournaments does matter, not like achievments are irrelevant if u don't win it. B1t played only 3 good tournaments, niko played amazing whole year, not his fault he doesn't have team. And there are 2 tournaments ahead of us so niko can boost his stats even more.
2021-12-07 17:47
3 replies
You missed the point. I am saying that #93 is wrong, given what you said - "And he will be 4th cuz niko has 1.27 while b1t 1.26". If the year consisted of only those LANs, where Niko was 1.27 and B1T was 1.26, then Niko would rank 4th, not B1T. That's because B1T actually won all those events. 0.01 rating will not upset that.
2021-12-07 17:53
2 replies
We were talking about rating leaderboard on LAN, not HTLV ranking at the end of the year.
2021-12-07 17:57
1 reply
Oh my bad, then. I assumed Rankings.
2021-12-07 18:00
4 replies
Again. He said BIG EVENTS, not LAN EVENTS.
2021-12-08 12:05
3 replies
hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01.. then also bit is rank 11 so i believe he can make it to top10
2021-12-08 12:09
2 replies
Unfortunately rating isn't the only criterium, especially when he started playing in navi in may.
2021-12-08 12:11
1 reply
rating are the most important lookout for the rankings wtf are you smoking bruh
2021-12-08 15:30
#273
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Macau 33t33
2021-12-08 12:17
S1mple sh1ro zywoo NiKo hobbit cant top 5
2021-12-07 16:08
1 reply
Sh0r0 kkkkkkkkk top3 max
2021-12-07 16:58
top5? stop dreaming.
2021-12-08 06:02
Not this year. Maybe next year tho
2021-12-07 13:55
2 replies
#12
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Finland HARD4ENCE
0/8
2021-12-07 13:56
0/8 na moment
2021-12-07 15:05
#10
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Finland HARD4ENCE
Is this even a question? He already played inferno instead of flamie in january when they won the Blast Global final.
2021-12-07 13:55
8 replies
it doesnt work like that
2021-12-07 13:56
7 replies
#17
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Finland HARD4ENCE
It does when he's been like top 3 highest rated player on every tourney NaVi has won this year.
2021-12-07 13:57
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#159
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Finland HARD4ENCE
Among those are players like kscerato, jerry, degster whose team didn't even make playoffs, do those even count? If they played like 2 games and got eliminated.
2021-12-07 19:28
4 replies
Ok, remove players who played much less maps. U get 1 more tournament, still in 5 he wasn't in top3. Didn't change anything
2021-12-07 19:30
3 replies
#163
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Finland HARD4ENCE
Well regardless, above him are only players that would be above him in HLTV ranking either way. Doesn't mean he won't make top 10.
2021-12-07 19:40
2 replies
There is a chance he won't. top20 is 100% sure, I think he wil end at 10-15
2021-12-07 20:06
1 reply
#170
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Finland HARD4ENCE
Well yeah, I suppose it depends on how Blast World Finals will go. The year is not done yet.
2021-12-07 20:10
Look at Navi results with Bit and without him + stats on big events, and I think this question is closed
2021-12-07 13:57
15 replies
Yes I know but if the top 20 is determined somehow by some kind of point system he can get very little amount of points for the first half of this year
2021-12-07 13:59
2 replies
yeah but very big amounts of points from the second half of the year, it balances out at like a top 15-10 (or better)
2021-12-07 14:05
don't know how they count this point, but his impact on results and achivments are very strong, and i think he must be in top 20 for sure, mb higher.
2021-12-07 14:06
#43
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Russia Feline
+1 + respect for "starix" xD
2021-12-07 14:18
9 replies
oldu know who he is))
2021-12-07 17:13
8 replies
Well, he still plays(or coaches)
2021-12-08 03:35
1 reply
He coashes now and stream and comment some matches sometimes, but now he isn't so famous like 10 years ago, when Navi dominated in 1.6.
2021-12-08 07:59
xiter
2021-12-08 18:42
5 replies
what that mean?
2021-12-08 19:29
4 replies
he is a fucking cheater, that's what it means
2021-12-08 19:31
3 replies
ahah, now or 10 yeras ago?
2021-12-08 20:18
2 replies
4-Feb-2017
2021-12-09 00:21
1 reply
don't remember that
2021-12-09 07:25
I don't think the success of Navi is so much to do with b1t rather than removing Flamie. Whole team was in a route to era before corona. Then in online Flamie lost motivation and Navi stagnated slightly. I would argue that if they would have picked any decent hungry young aimer they would have got at least half of the success that they have with b1t, possibly quite same amount. B1t is great player and fits the system nicely but its not like Navi wasn't one of the best teams in the world already before.
2021-12-08 04:25
1 reply
there are many teams who take on team young and hungry like Astralis with Lucky or Vitality with Kiojin but nobody from this guys does not affect the game as Bit in Navi. I think if we replace Bit with anyone from this young guys, Navi will be worse and another team will be better. Mb I'm wrong but this is my opinion)
2021-12-08 08:09
Yes
2021-12-07 13:56
#20
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Russia 1578
he's definetly top10 in this year
2021-12-07 13:58
5 replies
Top10? Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2021-12-07 16:58
4 replies
#148
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Russia 1578
there is no competition this year all navi players are top10 100%
2021-12-07 17:55
3 replies
If boombl4 is top 10 Ill give you awp asiimov
2021-12-07 22:28
2 replies
#235
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Russia 1578
boombl4 prolly top15 like xyp9x in 2018, he's worst in team but still winning everything
2021-12-08 05:15
1 reply
Xyp9x had 1.11 rating in 2018. In 2021, Boombl4 is negative rated, and Perfecto is 1.04
2021-12-08 08:08
he definitely deserves top20 and he will be top20 for sure. top10? debatable. depends on how hltv will weight lan tournaments... i have him around +-12th spot
2021-12-07 13:58
Is this a bait? He is 100% in this year's rankings. Considering all his achievements, his stats alone are good enough to get him near Top10, probably just a rank or 2 out of it. hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01..
2021-12-07 14:00
7 replies
oh shit he has 141 maps played, I thought he is like at 65% of other navi players in terms of maps played
2021-12-07 14:02
1 reply
Well, even if we look at overall stats of all MVP-based events and direct qualifiers of biggest events, B1T has 150 maps: hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01.. But considering that B1T played in all the biggest events, he'll definitely be up there.
2021-12-07 14:04
#38
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Finland HARD4ENCE
I'm fairly certain he will be in the top 10. Who would you put in front of him? s1mple, zywoo, NiKo, sh1ro, axile, hobbit, these are guaranteed top 6 (in any given order apart from top 1) and the list is fairly open after that.
2021-12-07 14:14
2 replies
Jame, Electronic, Yekindar, device, Hunter, Frozen, Ropz. B1T is in contention for 9-13, I reckon.
2021-12-07 14:24
1 reply
although frozen and ropz have better stats than b1t they played very few maps in big events, especially in playoffs. Like mouz almost always exits the tournament at 13-16, so I think it both frozen and ropz will barely enter top 20, but the other players you mentioned are in contention, maybe last event can change something
2021-12-08 03:25
+1
2021-12-08 03:27
+1
2021-12-08 08:23
top 3 player in cologne, major, blast fall finals and other big events yea for sure will be top 20
2021-12-07 13:59
#26
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Czech Republic forseti12
not even a question
2021-12-07 14:00
#28
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Trinidad and Tobago r41
top 10
2021-12-07 14:03
He will certainly be too 20, but you are delusional if you think top 5
2021-12-07 14:04
Top 8 for sure
2021-12-07 14:08
1 reply
Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2021-12-07 17:00
probably, but not as much as people think, in my opinion. he had 2 amazing months out of 8 months which he was good, but I don't think it should make him top10 or lower.
2021-12-07 14:11
Of course. Not even a question tbh.
2021-12-07 14:15
top 20 but not top 10
2021-12-07 14:15
1 reply
+1
2021-12-07 17:00
#42
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Albania nexhi
Definitely top20 material!
2021-12-07 14:16
he will be in top 20, but will not reach top 10
2021-12-07 14:30
#46
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Finland AliSabid
Ye, will be in top 20
2021-12-07 14:34
Ask yourself in a different way; "are there 20 better players than b1t this season?"
2021-12-07 14:38
9 replies
definetely not Zyw00 and sh0ro
2021-12-07 14:44
That is a very good way to look at it. It is relatively easy to find 10 people who are better, maybe you can get together 15 if you put up great arguments, but it's impossible to find 20. B1t is a top 15 player this year IMO, but not top 10.
2021-12-07 15:55
yes, good question. Finally I found you ;-)
2021-12-08 03:19
#238
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CIS kuuler
No kidding question, does Turkmenistan have access to the World Wide Web?
2021-12-08 05:27
5 replies
Your parents must be unfortunate to have a mentally disabled child like you.
2021-12-08 05:40
4 replies
#262
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CIS kuuler
Well, I asked this question with serious interest, and not with the aim of hurting you. It's a pity that you have a complex
2021-12-08 08:49
3 replies
I don't have a complex, in hltv just too much uneducated ignorant kids like you that asks such kind of stupid questions.
2021-12-08 10:00
2 replies
#265
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CIS kuuler
This is a normal question, counting the politics and dictatorship of your closed country, so I wanted to ask the representative personally. And you just fit the typical HLTV user with a lot of complexes inc. your reaction :)
2021-12-08 10:43
1 reply
It is like asking to random Kazahk guy about Borat. Because some Americans and Europeans really belive that Borat exists and he is from Kazakhstan. And it is not normal question. For me the people who ask such kind of questions are just uneducated people.
2021-12-08 10:46
#48
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Argentina atriX^
Top15-20 very likely. Top10 I don't think so unless they give an insane weight to the LAN events.
2021-12-07 14:40
Obviously, he will be like 10-15, maybe...?
2021-12-07 14:43
of course hea does, every navi player exept boombla does, the reason they won a major is because 4 of them are top 20 players
2021-12-07 14:44
3 replies
perfecto cant be top 20 bro and I say that as a navi fan
2021-12-07 14:45
perfecto wont make top20. no way...
2021-12-07 14:52
1 reply
+1
2021-12-07 17:01
obviously men
2021-12-07 14:52
not this year but ofc next year top 10
2021-12-07 14:53
#57
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Ireland reyno0o
I think he'll squeeze in at around 17 or 18. He started the year late, plus had a slow-ish start in his first few events. It's really his last 6 months that have been amazing, but even electronic was better in those 6 months. If it were not for his late start and slow start he would be top 10 easily.
2021-12-07 14:59
2 replies
he has played more maps or the same amous of maps than a lot of players in top 20. only Gambit, VP, and NAVI players have more maps than him at big events I think. so him not playing for few month in the beginning of the year is not an argument for him not being included in top 20 or for him being top15-20 He will be top 10 - 13 ish, maybe if he has mvp in last event he can enter top 10.
2021-12-08 03:17
1 reply
#264
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Ireland reyno0o
Fair enough, can't argue with that. You could be right
2021-12-08 10:11
lol obviously top 20. Where within the top 20 is debatable. My guess would be in the 10-15 range.
2021-12-07 15:06
Im sure he is in the top 20 with the recent performances at big events. Surely not top 10 though, I really dont get why people put him there they are completely ignoring the first half of the year
2021-12-07 15:09
#65
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Finland 5way
HE WON A FUCKIN MAJOR, ofc he makes it into top20
2021-12-07 15:11
4 replies
tarik won major and major mvp and yet he didnt make it. just saying...:D but yea, b1t will make top20 for sure
2021-12-07 15:34
3 replies
+1
2021-12-07 17:02
tarik won major but didnt win anything else xD
2021-12-08 03:37
1 reply
#356
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Finland 5way
lmao true xd
2021-12-10 09:08
#66
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Sweden SamBbbb
Yes
2021-12-07 15:12
B1t - top 8! )) 1. s1mple 2. zywoo 3. shiro 4. NiKo 5. Hobbit / electronic 6. Hobbit / electronic 7. AxiLe 8. B1t ELITE EVENTS 2021: Top14 with 1.10 raiting 2.0 hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01.. LAN ELITE EVENTS 2021: Top3 with 1.28 raiting 2.0 hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01..
2021-12-07 15:42
7 replies
#78
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Europe GumGuyHLTV
axile>hobbit because axile is a winning factor and has more carry potential. b1t>both gambit riflers that's like not even a contest it's only a question whethet b1t is more impactful or electronics. The real question is whether niko 4? He's carrying the scrubs realyl hard i think he should be 3.
2021-12-07 15:46
6 replies
check stats, bro!
2021-12-07 15:48
5 replies
#81
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Europe GumGuyHLTV
yes, i dont mean hltv rankings i mean actual tierlist of players. hltv will open stats and copy paste it, but i watch games.
2021-12-07 15:50
4 replies
for me NiKo > shiro too) but it is HLTV))
2021-12-07 15:50
3 replies
#83
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Europe GumGuyHLTV
at least it's not blast scores :d
2021-12-07 15:51
2 replies
what about MVPs?)
2021-12-07 15:52
1 reply
#89
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Europe GumGuyHLTV
Loba #1 then..
2021-12-07 15:55
#73
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Ukraine workspree
top 5-7
2021-12-07 15:36
1 reply
Flag, flair checks. B1t better than electronic? Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2021-12-07 17:04
#77
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
Top20 sure. People who say top 5-10 are delusional though
2021-12-07 15:45
overrated maybe like 20-25
2021-12-07 15:54
#88
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Canada Pyxelat3d
Yes
2021-12-07 15:54
obviously top8-12
2021-12-07 15:55
1 reply
yes
2021-12-08 03:16
#92
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Finland teukkjs
ez
2021-12-07 15:57
top 20 sure top 10 maybe top 5 not
2021-12-07 15:58
#95
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Turkey orionski
probably around 15-10.
2021-12-07 16:07
yes
2021-12-07 16:07
He will be in 20-10 place, no chance for top 10 sry
2021-12-07 16:09
#100
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Indonesia FinZzz
Easily top 20
2021-12-07 16:21
Easily top 10 imo Dude's like 18 and won ESL Pro League, PGL Major, Blast Fall Final, IEM Cologne. Deserved Spot
2021-12-07 16:27
3 replies
Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2021-12-07 17:05
But it's about statistics, not about ur age and achievments.
2021-12-07 17:13
its not about the most successful players but about the best players...
2021-12-07 17:26
He does deserve it. Even before April he constantly played with navi on 3 maps
2021-12-07 16:51
should easily be top 10, maybe even like top 6
2021-12-07 16:52
easy top 15 maybe even 10 smal chance to get top 8 idk why i feel like MVP would've played key role in his placement.
2021-12-07 16:55
Does he deserve it? Of course he is the main force behind navi's insanse performances Will he get it? No and if he does i doubt he will crack top 15
2021-12-07 16:55
Considering ZywOo was top1 after his debute year despite he didn't win any big lans or major, I think it's 100% logical for B1T to be top10 or even higher
2021-12-07 17:01
8 replies
hltv.org/stats/players/11893/zywoo?start.. hltv.org/stats/players/events/11893/zywo.. Seriously u compare these two? xD He won epicenter and ECS finals. No it's not logical for B1t to be top10 or even higher.
2021-12-07 17:20
do you realize how it works...? it has nothing to do with being rookie or winning 150 events
2021-12-07 17:27
6 replies
HLTV has been kind of inconsistent on this. They used to weigh event wins (and playoffs) pretty heavily. They've relaxed those a bit in recent years, I think because of players like s1mple and ZywOo, seeing as they were so clearly better than everyone else despite not having tremendous success.
2021-12-07 17:51
5 replies
yea their ranking has evolved but its like that for 2 years already right? comparing zywoo and b1t in discussion about hltv top20 doesnt make any sense what so ever
2021-12-07 17:58
4 replies
Oh I don't disagree at all, I'm actually glad they cut back on the trophies indicate ability talk. But I also agree about comparing ZywOo and b1t being pointless.
2021-12-07 17:59
3 replies
tbh im also glad that achievments arent as important as they used to be as long as players are relevant enough on t1 level ofc and they played enough play off games to show how good their are individually
2021-12-07 18:01
I agree on ZywOo having better rating and debute year on individual level. However, considering B1T has been right behind s1mple on ratings on big events since IEM Cologne, nobody can say he isn't top20 player. I'm not comparing B1T to be top1 like ZywOo was. I just think his ratings haven't been that much behind for half a year now. He totally deserves top10 placement.
2021-12-07 18:02
1 reply
I'm not sure where I put him on the list, Top10 may be higher than I'd be willing to go, but he killed it at the major which was the biggest event of the year. I feel a little disconnected with how things went this year so my opinion on who goes where is probably not very reasonable.
2021-12-07 18:10
Does B1T deservess or do B1T deserve? We never doesn't founded out
2021-12-07 17:02
1 reply
Excuse me for not speaking perfectly in my not native language dickhead
2021-12-08 08:45
top 20 most definetely, but top 10 i doubt it since he start slow and didn't play at all in early 2021
2021-12-07 17:03
5 replies
#126
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Brazil arunino
he won most important events with great numbers wtf
2021-12-07 17:14
1 reply
did he deserved it after that kinda performance he showing? absolutely. but like i said he start slow and barely playing for main team in the start of this year thats why i doubt he will make through to top 10. but for top 20 he most definetely will make it probably something like 10-15ish i would say
2021-12-08 02:47
he has played more maps or the same amous of maps than a lot of players in top 20. only Gambit, VP, and NAVI players have more maps than him at big events I think. so him not playing for few month in the beginning of the year is not an argument for him not being included in top 20 or for him being top15-20 He will be top 10 - 13 ish, maybe if he has mvp in last event he can enter top 10.
2021-12-08 03:15
2 replies
i mean yeah b1t make it to top 20 isn't even debatable anymore he definetely would make it and he should make it with that kinda performance he had in the last few months. what i doubt is he can make it to top 10 because the factor like i said that he start slow and barely playing in early of this year i would say he ended up in 11-15ish in top 20 this year and thats actually great considering him start to pop off was from 2nd half of this year. and for he get mvp its actually hard since s1mple are on his team as well lol but we'll see tho and i kinda agree with u if he can get 1 mvp i think he had good case to make it to top 10.
2021-12-08 04:08
1 reply
Yeah
2021-12-08 08:20
#121
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Russia mshkoda
no doubts he will be in top-20 man
2021-12-07 17:06
#125
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Brazil arunino
top5-10
2021-12-07 17:14
#128
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Ukraine d3adLY
he will be top 15 100%
2021-12-07 17:17
#129
b1t | 
Ukraine devitt
top 20 is already guaranteed for him, the question should be put in this way : where will he land in top 20? Imo 11-15 range. Taking #10 would be a dream for a fan like me
2021-12-07 17:18
1 reply
yes, I agree
2021-12-08 03:15
He for sure deserves it Who cares if he wasn't part of the main roster before April 2021, he won blast global final with them and played with the team on some maps with good ratings too i'd say top 10 pretty likely
2021-12-07 17:20
It's hard to say. I think he deserves top20 just because of what he's shown, especially recently, but there's a world where him joining T1 4 months into 2021 doesn't let him get a placement. I'd almost give it to him just for his major showing, personally.
2021-12-07 17:22
3 replies
he has played more maps or the same amous of maps than a lot of players in top 20. only Gambit, VP, and NAVI players have more maps than him at big events I think. so him not playing for few month in the beginning of the year is not an argument for him not being included in top 20 or for him being top15-20 He will be top 10 - 13 ish, maybe if he has mvp in last event he can enter top 10.
2021-12-08 03:14
2 replies
I'm not the person who places people, so it isn't an argument or metric, it's just a hypothetical. Sometimes they've talked about a player's impact during part of a year vs another part, so again, I think he deserves it but I also wouldn't be shocked to see him not make it for something as shallow as him not being in T1 for 4 months. I think we all know he deserves it, especially as a rookie.
2021-12-08 04:04
1 reply
Think of it this way. There are people that did better than him this year, obviously. But for b1t not make top 20, that means 20 players were better than bit this year. Looking at the navi achievements this year, b1t's stats at the big tournaments and lots of maps played in the big events and playoffs, there are not many players that did better than bit. Sure, some players have better stats than him, but they have low map count played at the big events, so this fact will at least put b1t in top 20
2021-12-08 08:18
1. S1mple 2. B1t 3. BIG BOOM 4. Zypoo
2021-12-07 17:25
2 replies
#186
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Brazil arunino
+1
2021-12-07 22:22
+1
2021-12-08 08:46
99.9% he ends up in top20. maybe can even break in top10. depends on his last lan performance.
2021-12-07 17:35
1 reply
yes also he has played more maps or the same amous of maps than a lot of players in top 20. only Gambit, VP, and NAVI players have more maps than him at big events I think. so him not playing for few month in the beginning of the year is not an argument for him not being included in top 20 or for him being top15-20 He will be top 10 - 13 ish, maybe if he has mvp in last event he can enter top 10.
2021-12-08 03:14
He has good amount of maps.
2021-12-07 17:36
B1t deserves at least $32 USD maybe more.
2021-12-07 17:36
1 reply
+1
2021-12-07 17:54
Top 15-20 because even he's doing really great, he haven't been playing in T1 for all year. His breakout was explosive so it looks more impactful than it really is (don't get me wrong. Impact in terms of time he has been on the lineup).
2021-12-07 17:48
3 replies
he has played more maps or the same amous of maps than a lot of players in top 20. only Gambit, VP, and NAVI players have more maps than him at big events I think. so him not playing for few month in the beginning of the year is not an argument for him not being included in top 20 or for him being top15-20 He will be top 10 - 13 ish, maybe if he has mvp in last event he can enter top 10.
2021-12-08 03:13
2 replies
Well, that's true now that i do the homework. He fully replaced flamie in like April as i'm reading now. I thought this was in like august-september lol
2021-12-08 04:00
1 reply
Yeah, i believe many people thought like this without doing the research before
2021-12-08 08:10
Maybe about 16-18th
2021-12-07 17:59
Obviously he will be,he won a lot of big tournaments and had several incredible performances at the biggest events in this year
2021-12-07 17:59
2021: B1t 157 maps, ZywOo 158 maps
2021-12-07 18:09
Top 20 for sure top 10 maybe
2021-12-07 19:31
Definitely deserving of a Top 20 placing but there are doubts he will make Top 20.
2021-12-07 19:32
yes.jpg
2021-12-07 19:41
if you think he doesnt you're legit stupid. like he easily deserves top 10
2021-12-07 19:44
he deserve but he will not be in for sure or top 20-19 will be unexpected
2021-12-07 19:45
i think he will make top 15 probably
2021-12-07 20:09
No, did not show anything except major, Blast.
2021-12-07 20:11
1 reply
#185
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Brazil arunino
Grand slam etc.
2021-12-07 22:22
devve had like 3 months of in 2017 and still got top 5 so no worries
2021-12-07 20:13
100% LAN winrate (including a major) with 70% headshot. On literally any other team he'd have multiple LAN MVPs. If he doesn't make top 20 it'll be a joke
2021-12-07 22:21
#190
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United States hondayzx
top 20 yes top 10 no
2021-12-07 22:31
#196
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Austria Grundz
His lan rating is insane Hltv rankings always prioritize lan over online. Yes, he deserves it (one of the highest rated players at the major...which he won...), and yes he will be there. Probably much higher than most people think.
2021-12-08 02:54
all navi players are gonna be in top 20 this year
2021-12-08 02:58
do you realize that although he joined the main roster in April, he has more maps played at the big events, and in playoffs at the big events than other players that might make top 20 he has more maps than: - Device (sorry, actually one map less than device) - Zywoo - G2 players (1 map more) - Kscerato - BlameF - Liquid players - Heroic players sooo, why whould not he be included in top 20?
2021-12-08 03:08
b1t won simple major. no bit no major.
2021-12-08 03:12
2 replies
s1mple dropped a 1.47 rating with 1.5 impact at the major. He didn't get carried by anyone
2021-12-08 18:48
1 reply
whole team needs to play around simple's comfort zones.
2021-12-08 21:15
#209
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Hungary szia
he has a 1.10 major under navi. it is possible
2021-12-08 03:16
top 12-13
2021-12-08 03:37
#220
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United Kingdom HuzzyBoii
yes top 20, he is like the 14/15th highest rated player against top 20 I believe.
2021-12-08 03:47
top 5 definitely.
2021-12-08 04:06
one of the highest rated players of the year at big events.
2021-12-08 04:07
top 20 probably, around 15th most likely
2021-12-08 04:08
#228
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Brazil ImReverx
why not
2021-12-08 04:09
itsn ot whether he can be in top 20 but rather can he be in top 10, dupreeh had b1t like stats rn and was in top 10 but since b1t has top 3 stats on lan, he could be in top 10, but yes not being in main roster can lead him to the top 10-15 mrange
2021-12-08 04:17
8-9 maybe. probably 10-15 tho
2021-12-08 04:55
LAN events should count more than online so I have no doubt that he will make top 20
2021-12-08 05:16
#237
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Bosnia and Herzegovina lousooo
this is bait thread... B1T's journey with NAVI was like a fantastic fairytale... he put amazing numbers, clutches, headshots... he won NAVI many events this year.. and as A F*CKING ROOKIE. B1T is AT LEAST in top10 this year + major winner
2021-12-08 05:20
1 reply
+1 ez top5 potential
2021-12-08 14:28
top 6
2021-12-08 06:11
before bit joined navi it was s1mple carrying 4 noobs. so sometimes navi win, but not always. now navi kicked the worst noob of the 4 and replaced with bit, who is fuucking good. now s1mple has human in team so wins everything
2021-12-08 06:15
surely no
2021-12-08 08:05
He deserves top 15. But hltv ratings doesn't work like that.
2021-12-08 08:07
#255
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Estonia Hazardouz
top 15 max honestly
2021-12-08 08:22
15-20 somewhere imo but he should
2021-12-08 08:31
OFC he deserve
2021-12-08 08:40
around 15 i think
2021-12-08 12:27
probably around top 12 -10
2021-12-08 14:13
yes /closed.
2021-12-08 14:18
1 reply
/opened ok /closed
2021-12-08 15:21
B1t forsure top 10 S1mple sh1ro zywoo niko electronic Hobbit B1t Ax1Le YEKINDAR stavn/ hunter/ ropz/ dev1ce/ elige/ perfecto
2021-12-08 14:24
6 replies
#290
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Ukraine NoSenseee
NaF can be there too.
2021-12-08 14:43
"hunter/ ropz/ dev1ce/ elige" some of those will be above him. JAME and Twistzz as well. He will not be top 10, but he will definitely be in top 15.
2021-12-08 18:48
4 replies
twistzz didn't won anything whereas b1t won alot and he performed in crucial games, Jame will be in top 10 to top 20.. Bcoz his impact was not as good as other players i mentioned
2021-12-08 20:29
2 replies
which part of "some of those" did you not understand?
2021-12-09 00:17
1 reply
None of those will be above. bcoz of lan, big event and major performance of bit is better than all those i mentioned at 10
2021-12-09 00:32
#288
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Turkey sedo7
top10 definitely
2021-12-08 14:24
Yes
2021-12-08 14:43
#299
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United Kingdom FlyingPig
Yes, next
2021-12-08 17:19
he absolutely deserves top 20 maybe even top 10. he will be top 5 next year without a doubt, his gamesense and aim are incredible really.
2021-12-08 18:34
3 replies
aim yes, gamesense no. But he has the luxury of having two of the best players in the world by his side to help him improve that and you can already see quite a lot of improvement from that side since they added him.
2021-12-08 18:44
2 replies
in clutches he always seems aware of what's going on, maybe that's teammates info +his own, and he has gotten much better at staying alive, something he struggled to do when he first joined the team, seems like no matter what B1t is not an easy kill+ he gets traded it seems even when he does die. I still think he's good enough for top 10 this year, hope to see him top 5 next year.
2021-12-08 18:48
1 reply
when he is in the clutch, s1mple, electronic, boombl4 and perfecto are all dead and can tell him how to play, that's exactly my point. He will not be top 10 tho, there are way too many good performers this year and he only started to perform to a really good level in the second half of the year. He will probably be around #13-15
2021-12-08 18:50
That's not even a question... top 5 most likely
2021-12-08 18:35
2 replies
delusional
2021-12-08 18:42
1 reply
0/8
2021-12-08 18:56
OFC YES
2021-12-08 18:45
he will be around top15, plenty of players have better stats than him and they played more matchs
2021-12-08 18:50
#336
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Brazil infatico
no /close
2021-12-08 19:44
1 reply
/open brazil kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk /close
2021-12-09 07:47
100% he is top 20
2021-12-08 20:32
yes
2021-12-08 21:16
I'd put him at 12 or 11 tho he is top5 material in the future
2021-12-09 07:36
Maybe 20th to 18th
2021-12-09 07:42
100% lan winrate. think he's gonna be 2nd
2021-12-09 08:00
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