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Val harder than CS?
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Germany sterzik 
Yes according to this clown: youtube.com/watch?v=TJfoCr0ybnI (And the delusional ppl in the comments)
2021-12-08 22:49
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Shit bait
2021-12-08 22:50
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Higher learning curve than CSGO so yes
2021-12-09 00:24
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AAAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
2021-12-09 00:33
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Technically it is because of the hundreds of abilities. But valorant is so new of course its so low skilled right now Edit: thought he said higher skill cap, but it applies I guess
2021-12-20 00:03
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#137
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United Kingdom HuzzyBoii
higher skill cap is how good a player can get in a game. Valorant does not have a higher skill cap because of how forgiving it is with all its free info and shit damage abilities. A child could learn Valorant in 3 weeks. It is not a hard game to learn by any means
2021-12-20 00:05
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Abilities add complexities no matter how easy they are to learn. If you taught ai to become the best player in both games you would find it needs way more games to become the best on val vs CS. A sage revive completely changes the possible outcomes of a round for which the ai would have to account for, as an example
2021-12-20 00:11
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#145
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United Kingdom HuzzyBoii
"add complexities no matter how easy they are to learn" bruh Valorant fans really trying so hard to make the game sound like it's on another level to every other fps game out there
2021-12-20 00:56
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I'm not a val fan, haven't watched a full pro game in my life
2021-12-20 01:00
#2
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Netherlands PawnyCS
its an opinion guys... i know valorant is easier but personally im having a lot more trouble with valorant than cs
2021-12-08 22:51
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How many more hours in cs do you have though? It takes a lot less time to get good at valorant
2021-12-08 22:56
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#37
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Netherlands PawnyCS
3300 Probably around 300 in valo
2021-12-08 23:13
he's right though
2021-12-08 22:52
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val rank?
2021-12-08 23:04
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faceit lv 10, global mm, gold 2 valorant
2021-12-08 23:07
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only gold 2 wtfff hahahah
2021-12-08 23:08
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#39
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Sweden sesar
what rank are u?
2021-12-08 23:13
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pro from japan. full pro. 3 sponsors. free hotels and shit. 32k/month ez
2021-12-08 23:14
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#125
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Sweden sesar
talking shit and wont even admit rank
2021-12-09 08:20
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italian gf and probably a dj ;)
2021-12-20 00:08
yeah its a hard game
2021-12-08 23:17
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you're not in a position to compare the 2 games if ur only gold 2
2021-12-08 23:18
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im gold 2 because it is a hard game
2021-12-08 23:21
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no my friend. you just not so good it's no problem
2021-12-08 23:24
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but im not good because it is a harder game than csgo
2021-12-08 23:26
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no. it's just because you're not good. very bad actually hgahahhahah
2021-12-08 23:29
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2021-12-08 23:30
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2021-12-08 23:30
#104
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United Kingdom HuzzyBoii
I've never been global and never passed Level 5 faceit and have 20X the hours in CS than in Valo and I'm diamond 1 LOL how tf are you Level 10
2021-12-09 00:28
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i have a friend that was silver elite lv 1 faceit but is immortal in valorant, how tf were you level 5 LOL the difference is that I have 30 hours in valorant but 5000 hours in csgo
2021-12-09 00:48
it´s harder, but it´s a lot easier to be a pro in val than in cs
2021-12-08 23:31
#4
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Mongolia heedblank
Val is 100x harder than CS I don't know how people stay awake while playing it
2021-12-08 22:53
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#15
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United States qoietsammy
LOL +1
2021-12-08 23:02
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Romania zawn
LMFAO
2021-12-08 23:04
+1 AHAHAHAH
2021-12-08 23:11
#40
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Argentina tamfg
LMFAO +1
2021-12-08 23:14
XDDDDDDDD
2021-12-08 23:23
xaxaaxaaxaxaxaxa
2021-12-08 23:31
XD
2021-12-09 00:23
+1 smh
2021-12-09 00:31
+1 I had a good rest
2021-12-09 00:50
LMGAO LMFAO LMFAO LMFAO FLMSOF LMFAO LMFAO LMFAO LMFAOF LMFAO LMFAO MMFAO LMFOAO LMAOO LMFAOOMF SMOSO
2021-12-09 08:34
holy fucking rekt.
2021-12-20 00:18
If it is, no one/team has risen to a level that would prove it yet.
2021-12-08 22:53
#6
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Spain jordi_171
i mean, he was realy bad playing cs his opinion is shit
2021-12-08 22:56
dont know how shroud comes up with this absolute trash opinion, especially since he played pro cs and played valorant at a mid level. like to an extend i get it, there are 32180 agents with 934129 different abilites and mastering everything about that is probably harder, yes. but watching val champions just shows me that val is literally 90% aiming, literally 0 strats, maybe some fakes here and there but thats it.
2021-12-08 22:57
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+1 Nivera is a great example on how you can become a t1 player in like 6 months and dominate almost the whole scene
2021-12-08 23:03
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+1 this From a lower skill perspective : I'm Diamond 3 with like 50 hours on Valorant (Faceit lvl 10) I can just run and gun, outfrag Valorant tryhards that seem to know many stupid strats cuz I just shoot better than them : this really shows that any old good pro CS player can outplay any average val pros.
2021-12-08 23:37
#124
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Ukraine ksay
especially when in VAL as a pro player you can focus on few agents and forget about developing other roles
2021-12-09 03:29
It is harder if you ask me.Aiming is definetly easier in Val,just run and shoot you know,but the rest is more complicated.
2021-12-08 22:59
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#69
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Sweden EntonXD
its not more complicated because you have to click on your little ipad to throw 3 smokes, know whatever brightly coloured animal is really just a flashbang, or whatever colourful orb does.
2021-12-08 23:29
val is just pure aim pretty much while cs is aim and tactics
2021-12-08 22:59
He's coping hard Valorant gunplay is too easy, you probably need 5k+ hours to reach pro tier CS aim/movement, in Valorant it's probably not more than 1k, the gunplay is just too fucking easy, the skill ceiling is LOOOOOOOW AS FUCKKKKKK
2021-12-08 22:59
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#19
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United States qoietsammy
True. I feel like I'm smurfing every time I hop on for 1-2 matches with friends. You barely need to control spray at all
2021-12-08 23:03
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Yup, the Phantom has almost no recoil, it's crazy. Besides that, the movement is slow and the hitboxes are pretty big. Holding and angle in Valorant for example is ridiculously easy, there's no way you can compare that to getting ferrari peeked in CSGO
2021-12-08 23:09
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#27
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United States qoietsammy
they tried to make it more appealing but having movement and everything smoother but it honestly just ruins quality of gameplay.
2021-12-08 23:10
stop playin with ur diamondo bots friends and try immo 500elo+. oh and ranked in na KEKW
2021-12-08 23:11
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#35
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United States qoietsammy
name + unneccessarily aggressive
2021-12-08 23:12
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its just very funny when every csgo player say how easy valorant is (even s1mple is struggling on high elo in val), and they flexing like oh i played 10 games and destroy everyone easily. ye u played it on shit ranks. on very high elo most of them gonna get tilted after gettin insta hs every round. so yea im laughing out loud. csgo is still way harder game dont get me wrong, but these guys who says valorant is too ez is just some laughable shit. i shouldnt be aggressive u right, sorry for that
2021-12-08 23:19
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#57
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United States qoietsammy
i mean fair enough. im stressed by final exams and should eat lol so sorry for that too ig
2021-12-08 23:19
shroud truck driver
2021-12-08 23:00
ahahahhaha
2021-12-08 23:00
Shroud in 2021 lmao, in valo you don't have to learn hard smokes and shit, you just use your dumb abilities
2021-12-08 23:02
i cringed when i read comments
2021-12-08 23:03
i mean if u think technically ofc valorant is harder than csgo. u have way more goin on. way harder to take a site with all this stupid abilities. and abilitie useage and trades and call tactical movement is alot harder
2021-12-08 23:04
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ScreaM was tier3 on csgo, but on valorant hes tier1.
2021-12-09 00:09
honestly its a no-brainer that valorant should *technically* be more difficult, considering that there are abilities, utility, etc. it just adds way more depth to the strategic part of the game when compared to CS doesnt mean valorant is a better or more enjoyable game in any way, just that it has bigger potential to be much more strategic
2021-12-08 23:07
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Lol you're talking like it's chess It's not rocket science bra, there's a killjoy omg she's gonna have a turret on spawn. Omg Raze has ult stay near corners so you can fall back. Omg they're planting the bomb and the VIper is alive, we'll have to push them You're talking like its SC2
2021-12-08 23:10
Utility usage on csgo is way waaaaay harder.
2021-12-09 00:09
More complex for sure, but not harder
2021-12-08 23:09
hard to judge but csgo seems harder. way harder. pro valorant isnt easy too tho, ur aim should be precise af (scream is very happy bout that), u cant do mistakes here. dunno, really hard to compare, but subjectively csgo is harder
2021-12-08 23:10
#30
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Czech Republic Guczy
I agree with him in that sense that cs is about mastering all stuff but valorant is about learning new things etc
2021-12-08 23:11
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#34
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Czech Republic Guczy
but i would still say that cs is harder but in a different way
2021-12-08 23:12
#32
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United Kingdom legji
Coming from the .9 rating player Shroud. Even ESEA main washouts are the top players in valorant. Harder than CS my ass xD
2021-12-08 23:11
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XD
2021-12-08 23:33
#36
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Germany aL1337
So many Valorant-related threads... I thought this was supposed to be a CS forum
2021-12-08 23:13
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#41
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Czech Republic Guczy
+1 cs players are so much insecure when it comes to val
2021-12-08 23:14
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its also prime breeding ground for bait posts, so im not surprised. just like vaccination threads or political threads
2021-12-08 23:21
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+1
2021-12-09 08:26
+1
2021-12-09 08:25
#140
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Brazil NotJuan
happens when csgo is dying
2021-12-20 00:13
its the perfect game for kids. not a single kid born above 2010* will play csgo if no one in their family/friend circle plays csgo. but many kids will just start valorant cuz it attracts them. csgo needs better marketing squads.
2021-12-08 23:14
i love hentai
2021-12-08 23:17
Dude who ever gives a shit about Shrouds (aka. the most boring personality on Twitch) opinions shouldnt be allowed near a computer. He is literally changing his opinions once a week and thinks that he has the right and knowledge to say whats true and what isnt. He just needs to stay relevant in some form Ig
2021-12-08 23:20
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Shroud is a shill for whatever he is paid for
2021-12-08 23:26
shroud mayb not entertaining but hes good player in all games he plays. and some ppl watch for entertainment and some for skills. i'd rather watch shroud than trainwreck or any other retard screaming and force emotions all day.
2021-12-08 23:29
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But this dude literally hasnt played cs for months or maybe even years now (instead hes playing Valorant 24/7) and think he can judge about the difficulty of cs. Imo Valorant is much easier because the game overall and the community just isnt so competitive. My Valorant rank is much higher than my cs rank and I dont even tryhard.
2021-12-08 23:39
#65
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South Africa CRMN1
He said Valorant is harder strategically but CS is harder to get good at. Honestly people have just started to find unexplainable stuff to shit on shroud for. Logically a game with more layers (like Tarik said) like countless different set of abilities will have way more strategic depth on the long run, but to master your game CS will always be harder because of the mechanics. I agree with him.
2021-12-08 23:24
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The ability for more inventive theorycrafting and interesting combinations doesn't mean its "harder strategically". The CS:GO equivalent to valorant's abilities is utility. The ways you can combine utility are a lot less varied than the ways you can combine valorant abilities, but this is not what we call "strategy", they are gimmicks at best. In reality pro CS:GO is about smart rotations, map knowledge, your IGL's calling, and people finding timings and gaps in the other team's spread across the map (all alongside great mechanical ability of course. Having watched valorant I was surprised because it looks more like overwatch, where the match consists of a series of team fights with different roles and abilities, with these team fights more often than not happening on the retake or site entry. In CS:GO if the entire enemy team has rotated off the other bombsite you're fucked, in valorant it seems to be quite common and not that big of a deal. As for shroud, he is undeniably upset/dismissive about CS:GO. And its not just this. Ever since he stopped playing he talks about the game with obvious disdain.
2021-12-08 23:40
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To add to this, all the abilities in valorant actually hamper the game strategically. When well timed and inventive combinations of utility with good aim can allow you to break any set up, no matter how good it is, it de-emphasizes having to find a leg-up before the "team fight" so to speak. This isn't to the detriment of the game necessarily, just playing off your teamates, cohesion, and good ability usage is more important. This is why team's like SEN hire guys like rawkus (ex-overwatch pro) because thats where these guys are going to be the best at.
2021-12-08 23:54
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#123
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Germany sterzik
+1 agreed the abilities in val have a lot less depht to them compared to CS util
2021-12-09 03:20
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Fair enough considering how much the meta has evolved in cs thanks to players & teams becoming better & csgo existing for almost a decade. Valorant is relatively new, and will only become more tactical when meta evolves with time, and teams improving with time.
2021-12-09 08:49
Just take 5 EU FPL godlike aimers and they'll 13-0 some of the best Valorant teams without using any util Change my mind
2021-12-08 23:42
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#110
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Serbia biTe19
100% TRUE
2021-12-09 00:39
shroud takes are the best takes hahaha
2021-12-08 23:44
Tarik in his head is probably like this guy is fucking stupid no wonder I replaced him
2021-12-08 23:46
#92
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Sri Lanka rvDxd
Id say valorsnt is easier to get kills because you can actually outplay someone without having s good aim. But its so hard to hit someones head or even spray good. cs is still harder imo but valorants shoting is so hard
2021-12-09 00:01
ScreaM was tier3 on Csgo at best but on Valorant hes tier1 xaxaxa
2021-12-09 00:07
If valorant was harder than cs tier 2 cs pros wouldnt be dominating in it rn lol. Also val is filled with crutch abilities that make it easier and can bail you out of mistakes.
2021-12-09 00:08
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#117
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Palestine __rQ__
The reason is because valorant is still a new game compared to the 20 years of CS. People haven't had the time yet to master valorant.
2021-12-09 01:04
>shroud
2021-12-09 00:24
Played a little val its way harder than csgo. On Cs its very previsible where the enemy will appear on your screen because the characters can have multiple skills from dashes to teleport. On Cs you mostly move the mouse on X axis if you have a good crosshair placement on Val this wont be enough since plays can jump everywhere, and secondly there is no pattern for the spray so its very important to be precise in your first bullet.
2021-12-09 00:33
#109
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Croatia KeZual96
It's very simple, if suddenly for some reason tomorrow every t1 cs player goes to valorant, all of the so called t1 valorant players would lose their jobs and everything would be the same like in cs. They would just be t3/4 players again.
2021-12-09 00:34
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shroud never talked about players / what they can do must be hard for you in school xD
2021-12-09 02:49
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#131
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Croatia KeZual96
And what I meant is that if you mastered csgo you will be at the top of valorant, but if it was opposite, if you mastered valorant first you wouldn't be at the top of csgo. Because if you have cs aim already, you can master the abilities, but as we know, aiming in valorant isn't that hard, transfering to csgo would be harder..
2021-12-19 01:47
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its irrelevant what you said, off topic, question is which game is harder to master at top level so opinion is that its valorant, cs go only not long ago added droppable nades before that it was just gun and run now there is a bit more to it, took 20 years to make a change
2021-12-19 23:59
People will say the utility in valorant will make it harder but I think it makes it easier. So many abilities include being able to escape punishment, smoke walls, smokes that you can hide in and see clearly while inside, perfectly placed flashes, etc. The only agents with actual learning curves are viper and sova considering they have to make ridiculous lineups.
2021-12-09 00:48
"Val" must be the worst, most weaksauce nickname for any game ever. "Hey dude, wanna go play some Val?" "No, please go jump off a bridge."
2021-12-09 00:53
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#119
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Germany sterzik
I mean its kinda fun sometimes but just not the same as CS by a long shot
2021-12-09 02:42
#115
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Palestine __rQ__
The more complicated or diverse the game is the higher the skillcap, that is just common sense. In other words, the more variables you have the more complex a thing is and therefore the harder to master. CS GO might be harder at the moment because of how long people have played the game and had time to master it. Valorant is a fairly new game and it has the potential to be harder than CS GO. This is coming out of a person who hates valorant and loves CS.
2021-12-09 01:02
hltv.org/matches/2340973/asterius-vs-noo.. show this for who think it is true very good player on valorant but can't play against tier4 brazilian teams
2021-12-09 01:03
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what this match your comment has to do with this thread though :D
2021-12-09 02:48
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look at "keznit" he's supposedly one of the best players in Valorant.
2021-12-20 00:01
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thats irrelevant question was, i mean everything with players is irrelevant, question was which game platform can be harder to master at top level
2021-12-22 00:04
0/8
2021-12-09 01:09
lolz so many people not even understanding what he said so malding, i agree with him, cs is just run and shoot like droppable nades were introduced just few months ago, there is no such huge variety in what you can do in the game to get better you just do same thing, its probably similiar to basketball and football, in theory basketball can feel like difficult sport but football can get so tactical so its way harden even though sometimes you just can sleep on defence still its difficult
2021-12-09 02:47
#129
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Finland Viglot36
wat is he talking about, valulrant is sooo ez kills
2021-12-09 08:34
expected from a washed up player who didnt achieve anything of importance in cs
2021-12-19 01:51
I am getting the "you need to have 200 IQ to understand rick and morty" vibes from some of the comments, interesting community, I would probably straight cut my wrists if I had to play with ppl like this
2021-12-19 01:57
#143
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Korea queendom
aim, movement etc seems a lot easier in valo i have to say even to i enjoy the game a lot. i can see how it is more complex from a strategical standpoint but that doesn't really matter in ranked queue since half the players don't even use their abilities properly till like diamond / immortal rank
2021-12-20 00:21
Shroud, the man with twofaced opinions. Why would you believe this clown??
2021-12-22 06:05
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