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So now it's NAF, f0rest, s1mple, smooya, huNter and many others talking about how OP the AWP is currently
Wow it's like I'm a genius that has been saying this for over a year, who would've thought
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awp should start with 0 ammo like in 1.6 and you have to buy it but make it expensive
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You won't try these stupid shots at least
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Not if you want to wallbang or shoot to smokes. Which does happen suprisingly often.
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NAF playing with a 0.95 rating awper calling the awp overpowered, ironic
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he knows that FalleN would have 0.6 rating without it
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lmao
There’s a reason fallen’s getting the boot lol
I do agree that Fallen is washed but I did see an interesting stat about him that said that he had like the 9th lowest time-to-damage of any pro player.
Kinda makes me think that he could get back to playing decently if he played more within the meta and wasn’t relying on his game sense and tactics from 2017.
14th best player in the world this year btw
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halving clip would be enough i think. it would heavily reduce getting wallbanged when planting which is a big deal as well as lots of other annoying niche scenarios
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You've come up with the "12k OT" of AWP nerfs. 6 or 7 would be perfect because it delivers the nerf withouth feeling too restrictive.
Just like how an MR3 10k overtime is too little, but an MR3 16k overtime is too much.
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Yeah I think I'd rather have more time reloading in between shots or some sort of movement penalty. Trying to trade a good awper even when you and your teammates are on top of one another can be difficult just because of how quick they are to get away with their knife out.
i mean they arent wrong when you see average players like broky having good ratings with an awp
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sh1ro without awp?
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lul, 0/8
5 bullets and make it 5250
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? Yes so its unbalanced = overpowered
"Ackshually 🤓🤓☝" lol imagine being in this much denial
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literally 3 awpers
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A lot of you plebs dont understand that stats dont tell even half of the story lmao. Do you think heroic would be where they are or they would have won that many tournaments if cadian wasnt awping? Same with Astralis, Faze when broky was on fire, BIG, FURIA and many more. Get out of faceit lv 5 and then discuss stuff, cheers
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Remember back in the day when MSL started awping? xD Look at his stat boost after awping for a while.
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When pros play awp they position the awp way safer than a rifle so that the awp can have more impact during the round.
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And because its easier to aim with awp
If you think it is fine where it is, why would you want to increase the price?
Tbh, what we can say for sure is that most of the absolute best players in the world are AWPers right now and it takes an insane level of rifle play (Niko now and Elige in 2019) to match the same level of output as these AWPers. It's definitely not just a matter of the best players also happening to be the best AWPers since the aforementioned players are insane riflers but mediocre AWPers.
even so awp being so op fallen and art always compete for bottom frag in their teams
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FalleN would've retired 3 years ago if not for the AWP
Free career for 3 years because of one weapon = OP weapon
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Read again and again and again until you understand it then
If you still can't, go back to school, graduate, go to college, graduate, and then try again
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awp is the most powerful gun in the game which is why it's the most expensive. that doesn't mean it's op. did you ever see a team go 5 awps? why do you think it never happened if the gun is overpowered? or maybe you don't know what op means. the awp is not the best gun in the game. the best gun in the game is the ak. awp is a situational gun that can only excel is some scenarios. the best players are not always awpers either. some of the best kds? ofc because players like device, sh1ro and many others have passive playstyles with it (going in for trades and saving the gun whenever it gets tough) but they are mediocre players, far from being the best in their teams, let alone in the scene
s1mple and zywoo are the best players in the game and they're main awpers but low intelligence people like yourself forget that they are also 2 of the best 3 riflers in the game together with niko.
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listing mediocre players having a decent rating in tier 3-5 cs doesnt prove anything. also, it's normal for the awp to win the opening duel, this is the purpose of the gun, to kill the first guy in on ct side. that doesnt mean that it is op🤣🤣🤣 typical hltv ape trying to argue with his superior. I countered your reply already with my first comment. you just proved that i was right when i called you dumb
You don't find it ironic telling others users to "cope" when all you do on HLTV is complain about an overpowered weapon?
The AWP is the most powerful gun in the game and so it is also the most expensive [viable] gun. Just because a gun is considered “overpowered” though doesn’t mean it is the best in every situation, which is why people do not run 5 AWPs. The AK-47, while being a very good generalist-weapon, isn’t the best in the world because it gets out-classed in every scenario by an AWPer of the same skill-level; the AK-47’s unreliable accuracy combined with the smaller target compared to the AWP in 1-shot kills means even if the AK-47 player reacts first, and shoots first, they are shooting a smaller target with a less accurate weapon and depending on the range, will miss despite playing perfectly, the AWP doesn’t deal with that problem at all and simply clicks the body and kills the player. The problem with the AWP is that it is easy to use and hard to punish; the rest of the guns in CS:GO are extremely difficult to use compared to most other games and if you fail you are punished hard. But the AWP is just as easy, if not easier due to CS:GO being slower than most other FPS games. The AWP doesn’t make someone good, but it makes a good player better. (ZywOo, s1mple, etc.)
The AWP is objectively point-and-click. There is nothing special and/or difficult about it compared to everything else in CS:GO, the AK-47 has an extremely harsh spray-pattern and even most top-tier pro players struggle to kill an entire team without running out of ammo and needing to reload (and leaving themselves open) despite it theoretically being able to kill 30 players per clip.
Now compare that to the AWP… it is rare to see a player being stuck without ammo and being pushed with the AWP and therefore dying despite it only having a max kill per reload of 10 (20 counting colats, but I don’t). While hitting 1-shot kills in the AK-47 requires a huge amount of skill, doing so with the AWP is so easy most good players [faceit 9+] could semi-reliably just hold angles and do decent in a semi-pro environment, case in point: phz stand-in for NiP, or the players you stated aren’t even the best in their team.
STFU
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You realise that teams strats are designed specifically to make the enemy awpers life as difficult as possible?
Awping is not easy and it is obvious. Take one of the best players in the world in NiKo. He is unable to find consistent impact with the AWP. Explain???
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Ofc I realize that teams play around the awp. That’s the problem im pointing out; no 1 gun should be able to dictate how an entire team plays, and if they fail to compensate, they get rolled and lose.
AWPing [for pros] is easy and it is obvious. NiKo is a rare exception and you know that. For every good rifler that couldn't awp I can name 5 that did [in t1 ofc]
f0rest, NEO, Snax, ChrisJ, markeloff, coldzera, broky, s1mple, zywoo, shox, dupreeh, dev1ce, olof, KRIMZ, nawwk, tabseN, flamie, autimaric, swag, NAF, and flusha are just the ones I can name off the top of my head.
If MSL can get an MVP while AWPing, any pro can do it.
Like I said before.
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+1 fucking hate people that say
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Narcissistic, arrogant bellends.
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I don't see an issue with a gun dictating the way an entire team plays. It is cs. Remove it and the game changes entirely, and not in a way that I think I would like. There would be less need for utility, and more run and gun brainless aimers taking fights that they would not be able to if the AWP wasn't there. The game is more fun with the AWP as it is.
There is a massive difference between being able to use the AWP for a few rounds every game to being a teams dedicated awper. This is because other teams will spend lots of time working out the primary awpers tendencies and not so much on the secondary awpers. 1 good event for MSL does not mean he is a good awper.
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I think we’ll have to agree to disagree then. I think that an entire team buy should define how a round is strategized not “do they have avp?” “No.” “okey rash bee”. I believe the change from nerfing the awp would be better for the game, you dont.
Utility will absolutely not change, you’ll just see more full executes and set-plays because more utility can be thrown onto bombsites rather than trying to find and neutralize the awper. MSL is not a good awper, but a worse rifle.
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That is another perspective on the utility part that I hadn't thought of. Though, again, it changes cs - with teams not throwing as much utility to take map control, the enemy team has less information as the utility a team throws indicates their positions and possibly intentions. Idk if it would be a bad thing, but again, I like cs much the way it is and don't want to see these aspects of the game changes.
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I think cs needs change. The current metagame has progressed so far that the game (imo) is getting boring; now-a-days you don’t see sneaky lurks where one player sneaks behind the enemy team and gets a massive multi-kill. Current lurkers are (rightfully) scared of the awp and wont push as much, or even peek a corridor that could be empty out of fear of an awp watching and killing them. The ones that do, get punished (shoxie :( ). I enjoyed that 2014/2015 metagame and prefer that to the current meta; an awper should be able to dominate if played well, but if you aren’t able to hit the ez shots you get fuk’d (markeloff, fifflaren, etc.).
I loved the late 2019/2020 meta where every team had these massive executes where they dump all their utility onto a site and completely isolate the fight for the site. I think that was great to watch and the pros never complained about it so I don’t see why not bring it back.
Like I said, I think we’ll have to agree to disagree because my problem stems from the current metagame being stale and wanting change while you don’t want change.
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Yep. Guess we just want different things. Thank you for your well-articulated responses. Allowed me able to view the topic from a different perspective.
You need to come to grips with the fact that the awp is OP for a reason, you pay more so get a better weapon, awpers are supposed to hold important chokepoints in a map and it is NOT as easy to use as you think. If it's too easy then why is there only few select players who can wield it with perfection?
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There is only a select few that can master the gun because it is hard to master any gun. Not a single player has gotten anywhere close to mastering the AK. Easy to use =/= easy to master.
Nearly every single player can use the AWP proficiently in top cs, but no rifler is going to try and out-shine xi wu or p1mple with the gun.
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never said he is a bot. however, he is a mediocre player. rating doesnt matter. sh1ro is the same profile of a player as device and he is a mediocre player too even tho he will be top4 this year. mvps and hltv rankings dont matter. I understand the game better than the bots that make the decisions because i am more intelligent and better at the game.
he is a mediocre tier 1 player, not a bot, not a tier 2 player, not a top tier 1 player. he does his job but his job only works in a good structure and when the team wins.
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Ignore him. He has no idea what he is talking about. Device is insane. As is shiro. Clearly never actually watched their povs and is just spouting BS.
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Hahaha now I see what's going on Mr. Baiter. I will sleep better tonight knowing that someone doesn't genuinely believe what you wrote.
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Or, you could make more sense in your post.
The AWP is definitely FalleN's speciality but it doesn't just define your career, you are required to be good with other weapons too, otherwise what use are you to your team? FalleN was and is an adept rifle player but is better with the AWP, meaning that he can still of fragging use despite the struggle for economy.
Cue Nico and other AWP players who were only good with the AWP and literally nothing else - Where is the logic in longevity there? Those players aren't exactly on tier 1 teams anymore, are they?
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Most world agree, just not to the extent
The AWP is op but it's also a big part of what makes pro CS enjoyable to watch.
This is not hard to admit and should be fairly obvious to everyone.
i dont think awp needs a nerf
there m4a1s that needs nerf first
Jame right now;
youtu.be/JkiA-R-EGtg
most people who talked about it just jealousy cuz they don't have awper/good awper in their team lol
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s1mple is a great awper himself and said the awp is easy if I remember correctly.
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Yeah, best player to ever touch the game thinks it's easy, must be easy for everyone right?
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Dude what is this circular logic? Naf is biased because his team's awper is bad and S1mple is also biased because he's too good.
Lmao. Just admit you like the AWP as is and don't give a shit which pro tells you it's OP.
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What on god's green earth are you on about? I was just responding to your comment about s1mple. I said nothing about Naf... Your point about s1mple is not a point you can make as an argument that the AWP is overpowered. It just doesn't make sense. For example, let's say a man who is the most accurate archer in the world says that his bow is easy to use, does not mean that the bow is easy to use for everyone. You following??
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Lmao.
The point is you'll probably make any excuse to say the AWP is great as is and anyone's point is invalid. Saying S1mple is "biased" because he's too good is a ridiculous argument on its own. But, if we're being completely honest you probably also agree that Naf is also "unqualified" and "biased" because his team's awper isn't the best anymore.
Alpha_Brazilian based as always
Agree AWP is too strong
People just call you a noob but it's clearly too good for the price. Maybe the magazine size reduction is a good idea.
inb4 awp abusers come and say "just flash and molly every single corner bro"
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Nah I think the Awp is fine. It’s suppose to be good I mean it’s a sniper which cost 4750
The problem with making it more expensive is that it will just get saved way more, which is boring. 5 bullets is a solid nerf to start.
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I think saving the awp is already starting to become a meta but yeah 5 bullets is the best nerf rn
g2 don't even have an awper and they came 2nd at the major XD
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niko more OP
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They nerfed Coldzera because he was too OP, NiKo is next.
that honestly just shows just how incredible Niko was at the major. No other player in the game could have carried a team without even a good awper into the major final while also being the entry and winning the majority of the opening duels using only a rifle
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you genius? axaxaxax
Yes, the awp needs nerf(s). It is not only the weapon but the its environment and context in the game matters too.
I don't think the price rising the best solution while there are many more to solve it:
e.g. compared with 1.6:
1) flashes: are weaker now, lower flashed time and you only need to turn half way
2) tagging: if you tagged an awper even with a glock, the awper slowed down insanely and made an easy target.
not like now, when tagged by a hit and they can run away easily
3) wallbang: you was able to kill an awper easily with an ak or m4, just wallbang it. Even if
the awper killed 1 player, other teammates would kill it with wallbanging, this is also gone...
4) counter-strafe: sadly in csgo you don't have to be fully stationary and perfectly counter-strafe.
all gunst are fully accurate when below 30% of your max speed with the gun, this helps a lot for unskilled players
5) crabwalk: it totally annoying that if you crabwalk you have almost no accuracy penalty
so if you also count these, you can easily conclude that the awp currently overpowered/broken, because the environment/context around it has changed a lot
The gun is fine, stop crying.
pros can have bad takes and opinions too
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it might make the game more "balanced" but it would make the game less fun to play and less entertaining to watch
imagine all the lost awp clips/legendary moments if the gun was more expensive and they couldnt afford it
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Of course the AWP is overpowered, it has been by far the best gun in the game since the conception on Counter-Strike, it's the staple of Counter-Strike and the AWP was way more overpowered back in 1.6 too.
However, there is a stark difference between "abuse" and a gun being overpowered via excellence of skill via professionals using the weapon.
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With an awp you're gifted so many potential free kills as long as you don't over do the hyper aggression all the time, like holding stairs in apps inferno. There's nothing you can do about it unless you jiggle every off angle awpers usually play from. This is what I consider awp abusing, which is essential to every skilled awper's play style
There's nothing you can do to nerf aggressive awp positions but you can nerf other areas like magazine count to compensate. 5 bullet mags are the way to go.
cringe bait again
The reason AWP feels Overpowered is because of the way star AWPers play. Before Astralis (till 2017), the super-aggressive style AWPing was the meta. KennyS, JW, s1mple, FalleN, etc, all engaged in extremely aggressive AWPing. Astralis just flipped the meta. The slow-paced, cold and calculated, angle-holding and positioning-based AWP play-style was pioneered by device and Astralis. All AWPers today have evolved to play like that. The ones that couldn't evolve their playstyle, have gradually faded from relevance. That playstyle is what makes the AWP overpowered to farm stats, but not OP mechanically in general. For example, arT's AWP style doesn't work. If all AWPers play like that, AWP wouldn't be OP.
Simple thing is - Krieg was OP as a weapon itself, mechanically speaking. Higher Accuracy than AWP, 1-tap headshot, high fire-rate, literally overpowered. AWP can be easily countered. But if AWPers play as hardcore baiters, it's easy to farm stats. That's why they appear at the top of stats.
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welcome to FACEIT where most of the team buys AWP every time they have 5k money. Increasing price would not only change pro games, it would also benefit normal matches in lower levels. Less AWP's, more rifles, more fun.
Damn, well I remember a time not long ago when there were 2 guns, 1 on T and 1 on CT side that could counter the AWP but pros complained and wanted those guns nerfed because they don't want actual changes in the gameplay or the meta
Make the Krieg great again so it can be used to counter awpers.
He is making a point, but there's also a fact that statistics are not perfect in CSGO and don't always depict things properly.
But if you look at Rating 2.0 match - it's made for awp, multikill, entry, less deaths, all things that AWP is best at.
AWP is insane on CT side, very poor on T side unless there's an execute, at least in a pro scene.
SO people just don't buy AWP on T side, they don't waste their money on it, but they will scrap every penny they can for it on CT side because chances are even if 5 players rush you 5v1 - you will get at least one kill.
So problem is a bit more complex imo. Increasing the price will make people save even more.....
If we talk about changing the rating formula to make it less awp friendly and more balanced it sounds hard to do cause it's hard to put in stats a lot of things that happen in a match.
Nerfing the awp.... I don't know how really, it's a very slow weapon, slow reload.... Maybe to make it so that you can't quick switch to zoom out to avoid the audio cue, that would reduce it's multikill potential. Increase flashbang duration when you get flashed while scoped, that would also make sense. Nerfing ammo count may not be all that bad of an idea too.
Movement speed fucked up T side AWP and made it CT side only weapon, sure T side can buy it but how often do you see it in top tier pro scene... Which made that nerf suck, but it's also down to map design with lots of corners to check and a relatively short round duration.
But on the other hand, one weapon needs to be the best. Whichever weapon is that people are likely going to give it to their star player and then spend flashes and tons of other utility to enable that player to do more. AWPers have boosted stats because of all that while most riflers gamble a lot more.
If you'd setup riflers as much as do awpers maybe it would be about the same but never as good as awp cause awp is likely to outduel any other weapon, aiming to body is simply faster than aiming in the head.
Unless you are Niko but he is a different class, no one can replicate what he does.
In conclusion, I got no clue how to address the fact that awpers will always have best stats even tho they are not always the best players.
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M249 should be 3.6k so I can use it more and see my lovely skin on it cuz I miss that skin.
like #6 said i think the awp should start with 0 ammo and you would have to buy them, each bullet would cost around 100-200$
reported for being dumb
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Oh yeah no one is allowed to have any conversations about anything to do with counter strike unless they are the best in the world, thanks America brain.
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perfectly fine just use flash ez as pie
This but unironically
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bolt time increase would be better
Isn't it meant to be like a high risk high reward weapon?
I'd be fine with it going up a bit in price but changing how the gun functions would be bad for the scene and making it 6k would be the dumbest thing every you might as well remove it from the game in that case.
The awp is more op if you have a functional team if you have say like a NIP then the awp may not have as much impact but if you're losing 1 person at the start of a round vs like a Na'vi then you're more than likely losing the round.
The AWP is too easy to use for the amount of impact it has. It sucks to see the most talented rifle playmakers of our generation play second fiddle to the ones who point and click
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Awp is indeed OP, I like how it is in valorant, kinda have to save 2x in a row to buy it. Also way longer rechamber time
if awp is op why dont i win when i buy it? explain
The problem i have with the AWP's price increasing is we will see a lot more boring ass saving happening from literally every AWPer
awp is fine
AWP is fine for literally all players except for gods like s1mple and zywoo. The only nerf the awp needed was when they nerfed the movement speed while scoped (aka the kennys nerf)
chill ur ego
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Legit fix
What? People with the most expensive weapon has the best stats? Who would've thought. It's almost like it's a team effort to maintain economy to be able to purchase an awp and also save it (die less) to protect that value for next round.
I swear to god csgo pros are fucking dumb.
If awp is so strong why was fallen so shit then
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because he's not good. why are silver ones not good with awp? because they aren't good.
without awp fallen have 0.7 rating instead of 0.9
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