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LAN overrated
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Denmark nicram64 
tldr: people downgrade online results way too much based on mindlessly repeated misconception [Tgwri1s too] We need to answer 1 question: Why do LAN matters more than online? We need to go back to pre-covid era - at that time almost all tier 1 events were LAN events, basically just ESL Prolegue and ECS being online and that's where the conversation about 'online' being not-so-important started. What was the reason: ECS and Pro League were treated more as a 'fill'. Each day there was a new match, players didn't seem to try their hardest, they were more focused on big lan events rather than some daily league that their org is demanding them to play, eventually those online leagues also led to LAN finals which were the real deal. How is 2021 different: First half of the year was all played online. It's not like we had LAN once a month and some team was destroying everyone online in events that noone cared about but couldn't do that in the finals on LAN. No, all CS was online so you shouldn't downgrade teams achievements from that period.
2022-01-01 12:57
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#1
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Russia ToughGuy
Tldr: i'm gamb0t fan
2022-01-01 13:02
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#7
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Denmark nicram64
Thx for bunch of arguments why I am wrong
2022-01-01 13:14
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in fact tgwri1s (or whatever his nick is) looks at how stacked tournament is, doesn't really matter if lan or online. he said it himself
2022-01-01 13:17
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#20
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Denmark nicram64
Thats exactly how it should be looked at - unfortunately none of the analysts/casters do and they are the ones creating most of the community perceptions As for Tgwri1s(wtf is this nick btw) I know last year he didnt look at it that way, I remember whether in some top20 Article or in some tweet he said iem Katowice 2020 was absolutely the most inportant event even tho f.e. Cologne had same lvl of competition
2022-01-01 13:35
good one
2022-01-01 13:40
#17
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Bosnia and Herzegovina lousooo
+1 gamb0ters are funny
2022-01-01 13:24
#57
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Hungary anw_
+1
2022-01-01 23:59
#2
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Peru BIG_NUMBA_1
I expect a gambit fan....
2022-01-01 13:03
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#3
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Bosnia and Herzegovina lousooo
+1 lol
2022-01-01 13:04
#4
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Bosnia and Herzegovina lousooo
i thought it is gamb0t fan typical online tier2 team fanboy.. but wtf
2022-01-01 13:04
Ratio
2022-01-01 13:13
3 replies
man, 'ratio' doesn't work so well on HLTV
2022-01-01 13:16
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#11
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Bosnia and Herzegovina lousooo
+1 we need LIKES on HLTV!!!!
2022-01-01 13:21
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#44
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Sweden sn1pie
We have +1 thats all we need
2022-01-01 20:38
LAN is way more hype way more entertaining and in all ways way more fun than online cs. end.
2022-01-01 13:14
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#9
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Denmark nicram64
Its subjective and irrelevant in teams/players achievements discussion
2022-01-01 13:17
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#13
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Bosnia and Herzegovina lousooo
LAN is way harder to win, unlike sitting at home.. that's it. LAN is more important cuz it is harder to win. it is way more spectacular + public pressure + real viewers + real emotions offline
2022-01-01 13:22
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#24
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Denmark nicram64
Should the pressure element which is highly subjective and immeasurable be taken into account while talking about event importance? Even if, what if there are no LAN events available in such period? This is the whole point of the thread
2022-01-01 13:50
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nothing left to say, I guess
2022-01-01 14:22
in the old days LAN was important because of 1. latency 2. avoiding cheaters Starlink and blockchain will fix it eventually and the whole earth will be a LAN
2022-01-01 13:21
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#15
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Bosnia and Herzegovina lousooo
now LAN is important not just cuz of equal conditions (ping), but also cuz of public pressure etc.
2022-01-01 13:23
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#30
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Denmark nicram64
Pressure is subjective and immeasurable
2022-01-01 14:16
Lool starlink will almost certainly be a gimmick
2022-01-02 00:28
i think teams can prove themselves to be great if they can translate their online prowess to lan lets think heroic - #1 team during online era, and yes did get worse before lans back, but went out early on lans nonetheless, made semis at major but obviously not the team that we saw in 2020, several players dropped off when we came back to lan, are called onliners for said reason gambit - #1 team for like the first half of the year, completely dominating and beating navi all the time online, went to LAN and did better than most expected, but obviously did worse than what their online results suggested, lost to g2 (team they beat a lot online) and faze (idek at that point, mental attitude? lan exp also comes in ig), still a really good team (major, fall final, world final, winter shows this), but obviously not the gambit we saw online for jan - june 2021 navi - truly best team in the world, no doubt, possibly era, depending on who you ask, didnt do too good at online era start but picked it up before lans and then continued to win on lan as well, this shows that theyre a solid team both sides, #1 team in the world rn g2 - for some reaosn only good on lans, major grand final, semis at winter or sum like that w/ kenny standing in, but 0-5 in epl online, elimination at blast fall showdown against fucking mad lions, etc, but what are they? considered 3rd - 4th best team in the world, showing lans > online results im honestly just saying what ur saying that online is regarded less than lan results, but i dont think its online results being downplayed, i think its the teams that did so good online just simply arent as good on LAN, and that probably has something to do with online cs regardless, pro-level tier 1 CS is meant to be played on LAN in front of a crowd, i think major is such a big event, and it happening on LAN showed who the best teams really are nt gamb0t fan
2022-01-01 13:23
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#16
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Bosnia and Herzegovina lousooo
+1 wow and gamb0ts are pathetic +1
2022-01-01 13:24
#25
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Denmark nicram64
I agree with most but you kinda missed the point. The whole convo isnt about whether teams kept their form from online period as it doesnt need much explaining. The whole point is to while conparing first and second part of the year - look at how stacked the tournament is(major being well above all anyway) regardless if its LAN or online tournament. Especially with half a year played only online.
2022-01-01 14:02
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yea ik i didnt even address what ur asking really, i just kinda ranted on my own thing but u do have a good point and a good question
2022-01-01 20:39
+1
2022-01-01 14:31
Then why did the best teams of online gambit and heroic fall off so hard on lan, lan is more important because more people will watch it because its way more hype and that means more pressure which makes lan more important
2022-01-01 13:30
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I agree with you but you can't argue that gambit and heroic fell off on hard lan, can you? They both made top 4 at the major and have consistently been in the top 5 ever since, almost exclusively losing to the tournament winners
2022-01-01 13:46
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heroic have been badat every tournament except the major, gambit were the best team in the world by far online but lose to lots of team on lan, they are still very good but the difference is obvious that's my point
2022-01-01 14:30
#27
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Denmark nicram64
Rarely teams on top do keep their highest form for more than half a year. Both were semifinalists of the major anyway so wouldnt say they fell hard. Whole point is, even if they fell it doesnt impact their achievements from first 6 months - the fact that those events were online is irrelevant as thats all we had back then.
2022-01-01 14:12
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it does because it makes us think well if it wasnt for corona they wouldnt have been winning those tournaments earlier in the year because it was lan, heroic in particular look dodgy af on lan, gambbit will be fine on lan after a couple of tournaments
2022-01-01 14:31
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#37
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Denmark nicram64
Are you 100% sure Heroic wouldn't win Pro League if it was LAN? Or gambit would 100% win less tournaments back then if they were all LAN?
2022-01-01 14:48
Agreed LAN>Online
2022-01-01 13:31
flag and flair
2022-01-01 13:47
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#38
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Denmark nicram64
Copenhagen Flames onliners - losing to unranked hltv team
2022-01-01 14:50
#26
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France r0ckT
Only a kid who never put a foot in a lan can talk like this... Online is more "training", LAN is to prove to everyone you want to be the best. If online really matters as LAN, FPL onliner would be superstars.
2022-01-01 14:10
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#29
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Denmark nicram64
Zywoo was the best FPL onliner
2022-01-01 14:14
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#40
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France r0ckT
zywoo fucked s1mple in his first 2years pro games. zywoo was a lan member with *aAa* (team you dont know because youre 12yo) im not fan of zywoo, s1mple, niko or whatever dog like you put on podium. dont talk when you dont know. and when i see your lastest threads, you just an alt whith no life. pathetic
2022-01-01 19:49
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#43
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Denmark nicram64
love you too <3
2022-01-01 20:33
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#47
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France r0ckT
2022-01-01 20:59
agreed
2022-01-01 14:14
actually dumb
2022-01-01 14:31
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#39
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Denmark nicram64
thx, constructive criticism always welcome
2022-01-01 14:56
+1, already Someone smart
2022-01-01 14:34
Nah LAN is way more important than online even BIG can make it to number 1 online that's how bad it is as a judgement of skill, like the ability to cheat alone is enough to make online far less important than LAN.
2022-01-01 19:49
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#46
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Denmark nicram64
Why is it more important tho? I dont see a single reason why it should. Just please don't talk about pressure like everyone cause its irrelevant - #6 for the reference Also why you bring up cheating argument when we talk about tier 1...
2022-01-01 20:40
ok
2022-01-01 19:56
I agree that people downgrade online results too much but still, it shouldn't be valued equally. LAN adds a lot of elements to the game that sitting at home doesn't have, and succeeding on LAN is how you build your legacy, and always will.
2022-01-01 21:04
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#51
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Denmark nicram64
LAN > Online any day but if only Online is available then it should be valued equally
2022-01-01 22:07
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I don't agree with that, it still is a inferior version of competitive play
2022-01-01 22:08
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#53
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Denmark nicram64
Ye but nothing else is available and thats not teams that are peaking at that time fault
2022-01-01 23:00
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It's not their fault, but life isn't always fair
2022-01-01 23:01
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#55
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Denmark nicram64
It's up to us to make it fair at least in this regard
2022-01-01 23:53
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I'm not gonna ignore reality just because something is unfair
2022-01-01 23:54
lots of teams didn't adapt to the online situation when it was the only option available, that's what happened LAN will always be superior
2022-01-01 21:08
sound thread with a lot of good arguments, many people think online is like 5% percent valid and lan 95%, when in reality it should be weighed more like 40% online 60% lan, or 45-55. only like 4 events were lans, they were most definitely the most important ones (Major, Blast World Finals) and the rest was all online, some more important (Katowice and the EPLs) and some way less (IEM Summer etc)
2022-01-01 21:19
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#64
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Denmark nicram64
Iem Katowice(online) and iem cologne(lan) should be rated equally as we dont know what would happend if Katowice was LAN, we can speculate but will never know, its all history and we need to respect that. Basically if there is no other choince it should be 50-50 and based on how stacked event is.
2022-01-02 11:37
if teams like heroic and gambit who dominated online scene were able to win just one T1 LAN event then you would be right about calling online matters as much as LAN because people would believe those teams who got weaker on LAN got weaker because they underperformed individually and sometimes shit happens.. unfortunately now we all believe those teams couldnt keep up because they didnt have the balls to play on LAN. i have nothing against gambit and heroic but that wasnt on us thats on them. they could have prove they have what it takes second half of the year but they didnt. its not like we are talking about 1 LAN event we are literally talkin about 5 events so u cant get upset when people value LAN more
2022-01-02 01:02
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#63
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Denmark nicram64
Teams won’t keep their peak form forever - that’s something everyone seem to forget and drawing conclusions based on that is wrongful.
2022-01-02 11:29
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even they are admitting they need more LAN experiences everytime when they asked especially gambit players. i dont get why u insist on this. ofc best teams wont keep doing what they doing but there is a reason pro players and the whole scene were questioning their form whether they can show it on LAN or not back then
2022-01-02 12:46
#60
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Europe JohnnyPayn
Shitbait/8
2022-01-02 01:04
I sorta agree online events shouldn’t really be downgraded that much since it wasn’t like there was a choice
2022-01-02 01:06
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#62
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Denmark nicram64
Exactly
2022-01-02 11:20
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