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United States lfgIU 
Had this long discussion with a friend of mine. We're both abroad. He's 20 and he never went to college after finishing school. I am also out of it for now, I must make some euros before I decide. Now he told me he want to go to uni, to what I said "Good idea" and also thought about it (I am not studying anymore) mayeb I should go to, since you need a degree to live well. Now his old man, with whom he shared the idea, told my buddy that he was too late for uni and that he has to set his life b4 25 or he's done. Since I am still a young shit, I do not understand if it's true. My buddy has been thinking about it for few days now. Anyone with similar experience can tell me who is in the right? Is he really too late? It will kind of serve me as guidance too
2022-01-09 15:01
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#1
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Ukraine Valta
go to school
2022-01-09 15:01
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#6
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United States lfgIU
Perhaps it is the only way, but the age factor is what matters
2022-01-09 15:04
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where u wanna study tho, in home country or abroad?
2022-01-09 15:43
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#45
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United States lfgIU
I finished school abroad so I'll stay here, but still I need a year to get ready so I will be going at the age of 20. I was thinking about a trade school, but they have nothing interesting for me there
2022-01-09 15:48
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what country did u go to
2022-01-09 18:28
bro 25 yrs old is fine. You are not even on half of ur life. Don't think you are delayed because of some years, it's a number
2022-01-09 16:34
not the best place to ask for guidance.
2022-01-09 15:02
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#5
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United States lfgIU
Idk where else I could ask to be honest...
2022-01-09 15:04
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reddit is still a better place than this one
2022-01-09 15:44
reddit
2022-01-09 21:28
should be the right demographic
2022-01-09 16:14
flag checks out
2022-01-09 15:02
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#4
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United States lfgIU
Same can be said about your flag
2022-01-09 15:03
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nope. i don't go to poland with my entire family tree to just to survive
2022-01-09 15:08
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#18
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United States lfgIU
That's a nice projection from you. Please, tell me more
2022-01-09 15:13
he's 20 and his dad tells him that it's too late? dude some people start their bachelor's degree at 30 and do just fine what is important is that you don't waste your time, even if you go to uni -> learn, work, develop yourself
2022-01-09 15:05
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#12
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United States lfgIU
>he's 20 and his dad tells him that it's too late? I guess he said that because his father told him that he had to be set for life at 25 or something, and the degree is like 4 years (depends on degree) I guess he'll have to do it if he wants to
2022-01-09 15:08
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I finished university when I was 28. Got a well payed job directly afterwards. It's not too late for either of you
2022-01-09 16:51
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what occupation tho? sounds nice
2022-01-09 17:35
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Engineering. Started as a data science consultant
2022-01-09 17:49
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Russia dteakh
Are you a Data Scientist or Engineer now? How did your career go?
2022-01-09 18:15
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Data scientist. I've only been working for about a year, but it goes fine. I get to learn so much cool stuff doing this so I am very happy))
2022-01-09 18:47
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#109
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Russia dteakh
Good job. I'm studying enigeering now as well and in wanna be Data Scientist in future as well. Your story motivated me))
2022-01-09 18:54
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If you get good in either python or R and SQL, then you have an EZ way to an entry level job. Most people (myself included) don't pick up SQL at uni, but those who do have a advantage. Good lucky with your studies men))
2022-01-09 18:57
good1. how many years did you study in univ?
2022-01-09 18:10
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5 years. Took 2 bachelors and a masters degree.
2022-01-09 18:46
well done bro
2022-01-09 21:30
not necessarily, depends on the course duration and the skills that you'd acquire I guess If you're going for something like economics or technology-related I think uni is still worth it especially considering it's better now than later
2022-01-09 15:05
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#15
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United States lfgIU
I guess it would be economics, which is good, people need those so I think it's worth it
2022-01-09 15:10
"he has to set his life b4 25 or he's done." What does this even mean, his dad's gonna murder him?
2022-01-09 15:05
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#14
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United States lfgIU
As far as I know it's like some sort of "checkpoint" where you have to earn money already, have a family, kids and all of that. I know it's weird, but I can't explain it in any other way
2022-01-09 15:10
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His dad is just a fucking boomer, he is an adult no need to listen to shitty advice.
2022-01-09 17:33
If you want it, you can do it easily, it's not too late. If you're doing it just to do it, it's gonna be hard and it won't be worth it. It's up to you.
2022-01-09 15:07
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#16
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United States lfgIU
I guess I'd rather do it than regret. This is eye opening
2022-01-09 15:11
Prepare, because it's nothing like high school, it's hard, but 100% worth it in the end Plus it's never too late, I've heard about people who are in their 30s or maybe 40s and still studying to get a 2nd or 3rd degree
2022-01-09 15:07
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#17
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United States lfgIU
Yeah, we heard about the experience, but fuck it, I've seen harder days
2022-01-09 15:12
Go for it, it's never too late!
2022-01-09 15:15
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#23
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United States lfgIU
Then I'll go, maybe I will finally settle down and be less worried about all
2022-01-09 15:23
#20
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Slovakia TheGameu
My sister is 22 and her classmates are from 21-50 yo, so it's never too late
2022-01-09 15:15
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#26
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United States lfgIU
Seems like this is true. I guess I'll start preparing and join next year
2022-01-09 15:24
Dont worry about all this when you are still young and please dont compare others with yourself. people find success at different ages. start from where you are . best of luck for you future mens : ))
2022-01-09 15:17
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#31
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United States lfgIU
I guess I'll go then, but I must prepare first. I'll give it a year and then do the access exam btw thanks for the tips
2022-01-09 15:30
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good good. go for it. but along the way think about what you actually want to do. until then choose what makes you the best money
2022-01-09 15:31
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#36
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United States lfgIU
Damn, that's actually true. While preparing for the exam I will give it a thought. Is there something important that I should know before going for it
2022-01-09 15:33
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the most important thing is "time wont come back". if you are doing something , give it your 100 percent. then you wont have regret in your life of not doing so even if you fail , you will be satisfied
2022-01-12 16:48
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Germany _car
My mom started uni at 21 and it went well for her
2022-01-09 15:19
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#24
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United States lfgIU
I heard Germany has the biggest number of older graduates in all Europe, kind of inspiring
2022-01-09 15:23
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#25
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Germany _car
Didn't know that
2022-01-09 15:24
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#29
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United States lfgIU
I've read it long ago, cannot comfirm how true it is
2022-01-09 15:25
#27
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Turkey TheJanus
if u graduate from uni how much will u earn in ukraine?
2022-01-09 15:24
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#30
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United States lfgIU
Idk about Ukraine because I am in Western Europe rn, but some pleces which interest me require a degree. I'd have a good amount of cash to spend and live comfy. I Ukraine it would be also valuable
2022-01-09 15:29
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#33
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Turkey TheJanus
ah i got it
2022-01-09 15:30
Get as many degrees as possible, while you still can.
2022-01-09 15:25
4 replies
#32
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United States lfgIU
As many as I can?
2022-01-09 15:30
3 replies
I meant if you got a chance to get a uni degree, just go for it.
2022-01-09 15:31
2 replies
#38
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United States lfgIU
Yeah, I'll go and do it, surely will have more space to breath
2022-01-09 15:39
1 reply
Exactly, good decision mate!!
2022-01-09 15:39
#37
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Poland Fealis_
"since you need a degree to live well. " You don't need a degree to live well. However - university times are really good and fun times. I finish my university this year and I'm so happy I choosed to study. University is not only about the degree, it's also about friends you make along the way. Depending on your course it can be really helpful in the future. It's never to late to get a degree mens)) I have few 30-35 yo people in my group and I even heard about 50-55+ yo studying people from my friends
2022-01-09 15:34
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#40
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United States lfgIU
Seems like a fun idea, perhaps making new contacts will give me wider opportunities. Thanks for the tip btw " I have few 30-35 yo people in my group and I even heard about 50-55+ yo studying people from my friends" Dedicated to get it
2022-01-09 15:40
#42
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Poland DefeN
I’ll be 22 next month, and only recently I finally decided what I wanna do in my life Now I’m a first-year physics student and I really like it. I’m 2-3 years older than most people from my group but it doesn’t bother me at all
2022-01-09 15:44
2 replies
#46
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Europe Nuskel
Good luck! Make sure to keep up with every subject as they're being lectured, or it will be more difficult later on to catch up
2022-01-09 15:53
#48
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United States lfgIU
Damn, glad to hear you are doing it and finally understood what you want. >I’m 2-3 years older than most people from my group but it doesn’t bother me at all Now that I think of it, it doesn't really matter that much. Wish everything goes awesome for you!
2022-01-09 15:57
degrees, university, will guarantee you the minimum for a decent life if you want to succeed in life and become rich, you need to be smart (and lucky) whether you have degrees or not !
2022-01-09 15:47
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#50
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United States lfgIU
First I'll secure a degree (security just in case after all) and then I'll try to do some moves
2022-01-09 15:58
tell that to the arts graduates
2022-01-09 16:13
its never too late to go to college. its absolutely fine!
2022-01-09 15:55
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#51
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United States lfgIU
Now that I look for it from another POV, it's all good. A great chance do something with my life
2022-01-09 15:59
1 reply
:D
2022-01-09 16:31
#49
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Germany mrzxea_cs
Just go for it. Better education -> better job -> more money. (Usually)
2022-01-09 15:57
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#52
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United States lfgIU
Yeah, seems like it's the case, so here I come
2022-01-09 16:00
better start when you are older than younger . especially in my country , there´s like no difference if you get a degree or not . waste of time
2022-01-09 16:01
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#66
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United States lfgIU
Well, you still need a degree for some stuff after all
2022-01-09 16:31
1 reply
yea , if you want to be employable in the supermarket
2022-01-09 16:33
I think education importance is different in every country You can be rich with college education in ur country but clean toilets after university in another
2022-01-09 16:05
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#65
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United States lfgIU
I guess you're right. It's easier to make moves in Ukraine and Russian, but I am not coming back for a while. Idk, I'll see what to do
2022-01-09 16:31
Don't think there's an age limit for any sort of education. If you have the money and if you think it's the best for you then age is not a barrier. I have seen people join universities at around 35. There are people that change their careers to a whole different one at around 40. This shouldn't even be a question in the first place. It's all up to you. If you feel like a college education will help you then go for it. Don't even think about what your friends dad told him. Just do what you feel like is the best choice. Plus dude almost everyone I know started their college education after 20. Including me. In my batch their were people who were 25. Starting their university life. As I mentioned forget what your friends dad said. He's just one of a kind person maybe. Best of luck.
2022-01-09 16:10
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#70
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United States lfgIU
Then we should do it then, I feel like it's going to affect me better than working around and waiting for nothing, there's nothing to lose now, I'll go
2022-01-09 16:34
I started my bachellor when i was 20 mate, go for it. One of the truest things parents say is It's never too late to study/learn new things
2022-01-09 16:14
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#72
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United States lfgIU
Seems like starting at 20 with the 1-2 years gap is a good idea. I guess I'll wait and do a year of preparation b4 doing the access exam
2022-01-09 16:35
when i was doing my high school exams, for the highest form of it there was a 50 year old partaking, you are helping yourself with education, there is no age limit or there shouldnt be..
2022-01-09 16:16
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#73
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United States lfgIU
Yeah, I guess I was overthinking about the you're too late stuff. After all, I am doing it for myself
2022-01-09 16:36
1 reply
yeah man your doing nothing but trying to improve your own life
2022-01-09 16:40
#60
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Czech Republic Ondron
honestly.. how tf is 20yo old for an uni? At least in my country, graduation age from hs is 19. So even if I went this year, right after finishing highshool, I´d turn 20 in the first week of school. Even if its a little different in Ukraine, it cant be THAT different. Doesnt matter if youre 19 or 21 - you´re young, have the same interests, hobbies and sense of humour as people 2 years younger.
2022-01-09 16:18
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#74
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United States lfgIU
Yeah, I see it now, it's just the words I heard from my buds old man made me overthink stuff. Asked a girl that I know good and she also said that it shouldn't be a problem at all, since she has seen people in their 30 getting new degrees
2022-01-09 16:37
teachers went to school and failed in real life so the best job they could get was teaching. Nobody goes to school to teach unless they know they are stupid. a second grade kid could teach first graders, think about it.
2022-01-09 16:26
It's always good to go to school, but some programs are better than others I was in a four/five year degree program in Canada, before realizing there's absolutely zero fucking jobs in Canada with a science degree currently Went to college (diploma in Canada, not sure what it's like in other countries), getting a diploma after one year, and already have interviews for 6-figure jobs Again this is very Canada focused, but we're in need of trades and pay them extremely well I'd figure out where you want to live, and see what jobs they are in need of filling there
2022-01-09 16:26
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#63
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Germany mrzxea_cs
IT stuff is probably always needed but there is a reason why not so many people want to do this...
2022-01-09 16:29
5 replies
True, but in Canada if you want to get into computer science in university you need an ABSURD average, they're the most competitive programs in the country
2022-01-09 16:34
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#76
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United States lfgIU
I think it's like this everywhere, because people get promised their shitton pile of money,but then half of them leave and never come back
2022-01-09 16:40
#78
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United States lfgIU
>but there is a reason why not so many people want to do this... The stress and burnout in this field is surreal. You have to work 8-10 hours or even several days sprints which force you to get fucked for a while
2022-01-09 16:41
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#83
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Germany mrzxea_cs
Yeah this but also the fact how hard this is to learn and to be good at. Not worth it in my opinion.
2022-01-09 16:46
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#84
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United States lfgIU
i beleive some faculties don't know how to teach properly and then the online courses suck you up and do the same as unis but shorter term. It falls to learnign it by yourself, but then you have the "Umm you heff no degree, sweetie, no no" Weird stuff
2022-01-09 16:47
I also never went to college. im now 35 years and the hype back then wasn't even there. i started workin at car dealer with 16 ship and then became a mechanic with 21 and now i earn more money than all the ppl that finished their masters degree. so ye. if u'r not into college, u shouldn't go, just to fit in society.
2022-01-09 16:31
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#81
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United States lfgIU
Well, aside you were swift, smart and you knew how to start, I cannot really say something about me liek this. But you did a great job
2022-01-09 16:43
Not old man stupid, you can easily keep your head above water as a student with a side job, get a degree, and start a stable and good paying job at 28. And you will be richer than stupid old man at 35.
2022-01-09 16:39
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#79
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United States lfgIU
Yeah, this was honestly my plan, I guess I shouldn't take so seriously advice from elders or I'll end up fucked
2022-01-09 16:42
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Yeah funnily enough many elders are stuck in their old ways and don't realise the opportunities in todays world, I started Uni this year at 23 as well. Everything going fine. Getting a degree 100% worth it.
2022-01-09 16:49
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#89
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United States lfgIU
>I started Uni this year at 23 as well Starting it around 20-23 seems like a good choice tbh. Can you tell me your experiences and how it's going?
2022-01-09 16:57
i was not able to sit still in school, so i decided university is not for me. i worked in restaurant until now. i love the stress, i love the hustle. i need to have physical activity. u should ask urself what u want. no one but u can tell this. i think university is slowly becoming like high school degree. everyone has it, so it will be worthless at one point.
2022-01-09 16:43
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#82
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United States lfgIU
>i was not able to sit still in school, so i decided university is not for me. i worked in restaurant until now. i love the stress, i love the hustle. i need to have physical activity. You clearly knew how you were operating. And how it is going for you now? >i think university is slowly becoming like high school degree. everyone has it, so it will be worthless at one point. I had the same though. Some trade school jobs are starting to raise. Mechanics for example, where they salary is growing, while some university degrees are falling hard
2022-01-09 16:45
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I love my job. I earn enough to live a good life. I love experimenting with flavors. I like when a customer leaves with a smile on his face. I can't complain and as long I feel like this. I will do this job. But you can only find out yourself what you want from life. I always had this philosophy I prefer dying over doing anything in life, that I don't enjoy one second.
2022-01-09 16:51
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#90
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United States lfgIU
Damn it, I wish I could be as this positive, man, for real. Thanks for sharing it, I hope it all goes well for you
2022-01-09 17:02
Depends on the degree, I'm getting my Law degree right now, this will always be valuable. Judges and lawyers will not get automized and you will always need a masters degree for these jobs. And you can give yourself a stable future for sure
2022-01-09 16:51
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#91
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United States lfgIU
And you will end it around 27-28 so you will be seen even more mature and more valuable than younger peers I think
2022-01-09 17:03
#92
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United States lfgIU
Damn, I think I have the answer for myself here. After all, it's worth to do it for my own sake. Thank you all for the tips. HLTV, never change
2022-01-09 17:04
#93
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Portugal MGL257
better late than never, so yeah, if you only have university to care about go for it, otherwise you should wait until go. I tell this from experience.
2022-01-09 17:05
wtf ur not too old when ur 20 lul u can never be too old for uni, its just harder as you get older since you often have larger expenses monthly such as house, car, children etc. Even then its still possible, you might have to work 25% parallell to ur studies but its definately not impossible. 20 is fine for sure.
2022-01-09 17:09
#97
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Spain VIKTORAL
his old man told him that bullshit because he doesn't want to pay for his tuition lmao 20 is young af, so much time ahead, you are not even expected to know what you want to be, you are still a lost shit tell him to go study if he wants, that's the best thing a person can do !!! studying and knowledge is gold and will be even more valuable in the future!!!
2022-01-09 17:38
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yeah this is a good comment, knowledge is worth gold
2022-01-09 19:04
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#115
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Spain VIKTORAL
always love for tabsen, our commander!
2022-01-09 21:22
That's the problem we live in an age of knowledge. You can literally learn anything you want. You don't need a degree for this. There are a few things I'd say are worth studying for. Engineering, doctor, science, and law for the rest its all just peer society pressure.
2022-01-10 19:43
go to uni, better job, ur parents will no longer be mad when you game 24/7
2022-01-09 17:41
#100
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United States m2kx
20 years old is only a 2 year delay lol that's nothing. If you could get through secondary school easily, go to college. If not, you'd be wasting your money as only students with high marks in the most lucrative fields get the good jobs. It would be better to just build up money working a normal adult job (construction and the like) and then buy assets that give you more cash than you spend; easiest would be real estate, but you could also start a business. Get a degree in management/commerce/finance or tech science (data science, information systems, computer science). I recommend the former, but if you prefer having a fun life in your 20-30 years do the harder degree in tech science. Since I've already gone this far, I might as well elaborate on why these are the only two good fields. Specialized business degrees have an average starting salary (unless you're an S-tier student in which you would go to financial services such as banking and investment) but have the highest potential salary because there is a huge salary/positional hierarchy and tons of lateral movement from firm to firm after you have experience to get the best benefits, as usually you start with bad hours. Tech is seen as way better because you work less than 40 hour weeks for a 6-figure salary and you can be offered equity in your company, so if you do well your company does well and your ownership becomes worth more. Thing is that it's hard to get the degree as you have to learn a ton. Just imagine learning 3+ programming languages. It will be worth it if you at least pass and get your degree, though.
2022-01-09 18:11
As far as I know in Europe (in NA probably too) its pretty normal to go study at any age basically, so go for it In Russia it's a tragedy if you dont get to uni right after the school for some reason which is kinda fucked as students have much stress about state exam etc
2022-01-09 18:25
I took a year between my highschool studies & college studies (abroad) and its hard to get back into studying and the will to actually get up early in the mornings but usually colleges/unis dont have as much hours and are more flexible. The only issue I have is that still theres the problem with some people in class work slower so sometimes irl lessons or calls get really boring if I already understand that topic but cant leave because Im obligated to be in class & feel like Im wasting time. Apart from that I dont think the want to learn is something thats restricted to age, its just gonna be tough getting back in the "learning" mentality, since studying is a learnt behaviour that can eventually be forgotten. If that isnt an issue then I would say go for it!
2022-01-09 18:25
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objectively kind of wrong, you don't forget how to study, but rather you forget how to force yourself to study stuff you actually don't want to study.
2022-01-09 19:04
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depends on which study method, Ive gotten worse compared to when I continuously went to school & had to study.
2022-01-09 19:51
No, you don't need to start doing something at a specific age to become succesful. No, you don't need a degree to become succesful. It just makes it easier for the average guy. If you actually put work in to the thing you want and like, you will likely be succesful. Also the most important thing to know when wanting to become succesful is: What is demanded? Where can I work the least for the biggest profit? What would I like to do which also would make profits easy?
2022-01-09 19:02
Device is out with depression, cuz his girlfriend cheated on him. He moved to Sweden and lived in Sweden to be with her, and even switched to a swedish team.
2022-01-09 21:23
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