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Frozen vs EliGE
markeloff | 
Europe random_forest 
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/9960/froz.. Tell me again why EliGE is in top20 and Frozen isn't? Frozen: Higher rating 1 MVP 1 tournament one EliGE: 0 tournaments one Bot aim Low rating Toxic
2022-01-11 00:34
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EliGE only made it because he's NA and Frozen is Eastern Europe
2022-01-11 00:34
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#22
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France possup
because he has 16 maps on big events, just have to accept that it's not possible to get into top 20 this year based on how much they value sample size + big events.
2022-01-11 04:29
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#45
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France possup
BIG EVENTS
2022-01-11 15:43
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And what are big events this year: all LAN events, bro
2022-01-11 16:14
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#49
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France possup
theres literally an option to only show big events, as in what HLTV considers big events. they don't give a shit about how well frozen did vs shit teams in groups and since mouz barely played any maps in their big events category it means jack, especially when he only had 1.07 there whereas someone like kscerato could somewhat make it up for low maps because he had a 1.20. Elige has worse stats but on a way bigger sample size and while the team placed way better so that is valued more.
2022-01-11 16:58
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#50
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China $harlen
+1 perfectly said
2022-01-11 17:00
Yeah, I agree that Elige was better, but I do not understand why ropz and not frozen ? Like if ropz was in 20th place I wouldn't say anything, but he is on 18th place and frozen is still robed... hltv.org/stats/players/compare/9960/froz..
2022-01-11 17:03
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#59
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France possup
first reason to be said obv bias cause ropz is already considered one of the best players but then -------------frozen | ropz all events 1.16 | 1.18 big events 1.07 | 1.08 lan 1.10 | 1.17 ropz out performs his slightly or for lan by alot, frozen did get 1.22 at major but thats only one event whereas ropz maintained better stats for the year as a whole. Don't get me wrong I think frozen could've got a top 20 but its just unlikely with the circumstances of mouz not doing anything last year, ropz will just appear better since they already expect it from him. I do hope he gets more chances to play at big events in 2022 so he can get a fair shot at top 20 then but yeah.
2022-01-11 17:32
#2
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Brazil Lok72
cause ellige owns liquid /closed
2022-01-11 00:34
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#5
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United States ilkym00th
Yep co-owner of liquid
2022-01-11 00:40
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Ahhh, so by this logic HungryBox should now be top 20 HLTV????? i heard he played some CS, but mang0 still better… kek.
2022-01-11 10:43
Then, since HLTV is owned by Astralis, he will see Konfig in the top20. Maybe just after simple.
2022-01-11 17:11
#3
HObbit | 
Poland Brisu
just for merit, nothing more
2022-01-11 00:35
frozen hass less maps than him at big events,also frozen mvp doesnt really mean much
2022-01-11 00:37
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They have already displayed that the amount of maps at big events apparently is irrelevant since they included Kscerato (which also makes 0 sense beeing on this list). Frozen got robbed.
2022-01-11 00:42
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kscerato's 2 worst events were blast showdown and cs summit. tier 2 events LUL he had a 1.0+ rating at every other event besides those. way better than frozen
2022-01-11 00:49
#53
REZ | 
Trinidad and Tobago r41
mvp doesn't mean much but more maps does big brain moment
2022-01-11 17:15
frozens best events: cs summit 7 (tier 2) iem katowice play-in (LUL) fanatasyexpo spring cup (KEKW) snow sweet snow (matchfixing tier 3 event) flashpoint 3 closed qualifier flashpoint eu (ok) major (good but 12-14th place exit) if we add all 8 of his actual big event ratings up and divide by 8, we get 1.10. except 5/8 of them mouz exits in 10th or worse LMFAOOOOOOOOO if we add up all 10 of the actual big events elige attended and divided by 10, his rating comes out to 1.2. the main detriment to eliges rating was the past 4-5 months frozen and ropz farmed tier 2 events like fantasyexpo and snow sweet snow while elige and naf had to play at blast w navi, g2, vitality and co blast groups and finals, epl, katowice, cologne, major, eu rmr are considered true tier 1 events. the hltv stats compare function sucks lmao 0/8 delusional
2022-01-11 00:50
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tldr: naf and elige played blast, ropz and frozen didn’t
2022-01-11 00:54
+1
2022-01-11 10:14
#8
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Frozen's MVP was an A-tier online MVP from Flashpoint. It's definitely deserved but overall, HLTV concludes that EliGe had a better 2021 than Frozen did.
2022-01-11 00:47
because elige pays off everyone in the cs scene to pretend hes good
2022-01-11 00:48
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#23
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Canada loldougie
Holy shit stop commenting
2022-01-11 04:29
EliGE won 2 tournaments my friend. Cope.
2022-01-11 00:55
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#35
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Poland Astoner55
Which tournaments did liquid win this year? Don't remember any
2022-01-11 09:14
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#43
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Czech Republic Sybas
+1
2022-01-11 10:46
because EliGe played better against good teams
2022-01-11 00:58
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#55
REZ | 
Trinidad and Tobago r41
no
2022-01-11 17:16
1 reply
yes
2022-01-11 19:43
It's in the name Jonathan "EliGE" Jablonowski . . . Jonathan E. cya in 10 for crying
2022-01-11 01:06
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#17
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Canada JustLuke
+404
2022-01-11 01:24
#19
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Hungary anw_
+404
2022-01-11 04:18
#24
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Korea Rel^
+404
2022-01-11 04:30
won tournaments one
2022-01-11 01:18
1 reply
That was intentional
2022-01-11 08:59
#16
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Kosovo Theexend
Frozen is not there because mouse sports too poor to be partnered teams
2022-01-11 01:22
1 reply
Honestly, those ranking were odds, with the partered teams and with the difference between NA RMR and EU/CIS RMR. At the same time, Liquid had to play with those RMR, so I don't blame them.
2022-01-11 17:24
elige more big events/lan maps
2022-01-11 04:22
frozen prolly 12 if he is on, i dont see him being any higher but i also dont see him not being on in the first place
2022-01-11 05:00
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s1,Zy,sh1,NiKo,papatronic,Axile, Hobbit, b1t,device,hunter, jame,yekinder. There's no spot left really. The order might change but those 12 are mostly defined already tbh. sad for frozen :(
2022-01-11 10:31
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-ecovice and u have a spot for frozen
2022-01-11 16:16
2022-01-11 17:17
#26
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Sweden ezwuo
1. frozen played against worse opponents 2. toxicity doesn't show on stats 3. his aim isn't that bad
2022-01-11 05:08
2 replies
Not good either this year
2022-01-11 08:59
#56
REZ | 
Trinidad and Tobago r41
frozen is better rated against top 10 and 20 elige just better in top 5
2022-01-11 17:17
because frozen was too busy getting 6-8th place in events and Elige atleast went further with Liquid unlike Mouzlulsports
2022-01-11 09:00
LETS GO FORSEN
2022-01-11 09:10
hltv is dumb. elige was only on the list bc he put himself there (he is jonathon "E-lige" after all). frozen had an amazing year with him and ropz carrying. if mouz didn't play so shit we would never see elige here
2022-01-11 10:09
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You're right. Ropz and Frozen were dragging down by their teammates. The ranking is odd as fuck : the RMR was unfair (EU/CIS vs NA/BR/AUS/Asia RMR), lan vs studio vs T2 / T1,5 (without navi) vs T1 events. Anyway, every year, some players got robbed by hltv top20. This year, it is not an exception.
2022-01-11 17:16
ez for frozem
2022-01-11 10:19
#46
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
elige is american frozen isnt /closed
2022-01-11 15:44
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