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Why b1t called best rookie?
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Russia arc_ 
ZywOo in his first year in t1 - owning everyone + HLTV #1 b1t in his first year in t1 - none of the above. Navi was the better team so he won more trophies But individually, ZywOo was far better a rookie.
2022-01-12 16:27
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#1
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Portugal reymimo
+1
2022-01-12 16:28
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#287
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India Perseus40
+1, he couldn't have won without goat s1mple, whereas zywoo hard carried vita
2022-01-13 04:07
12 replies
#300
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Malaysia XanderXV
-1 still not major
2022-01-13 06:13
2 replies
he is right tho
2022-01-14 18:31
1 reply
Navi fans just malding 24/7
2022-01-16 13:29
Easy to kill and stat pad when your team mates are useless
2022-01-13 12:14
7 replies
You don’t know how cs works It’s easier to get better stats when you have a good team. Simply click the stats page
2022-01-15 01:33
6 replies
No, it depends on the team. If the entire of vitality is trying to set ZywOo up for everything-which they are- then it is easier to get more kills.
2022-01-15 02:21
5 replies
no, this argument has been disproven. bad teammates = more rounds lost = less money = worse guns = harder to get kills.
2022-01-15 04:19
3 replies
Yes, if it was a normal team. However vitality is more set up towards ZywOo. Better teammates = kills spread out more evenly and this is why ZywOo doesn't play much better even with good teammates.
2022-01-15 06:00
Maybe not more kills cuz less rounds, but better kast and lower dpr so higher rating
2022-01-15 12:08
1 reply
No, his basic k/d (not2.0) was higher then the rating 2.0, either in 2019 or 2020
2022-01-16 02:17
Hm no ? Zywoo in 2019 T side vs top 20 teams it's 21% of entry attempts, in 2020 22% of attempts. If he really was that set up he would have get 16% of attemps as s1mple in 2020. So don't judge if you don't watch the games, I know you're a na'vi fanboy but don't worry we all agree that s1mple is a god, but still zywoo is also a god so give a true fact when you advance some argument.
2022-01-16 02:11
Based
2022-01-14 18:18
#4
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Algeria he_car
no one actually thinks that besides the user zeezeerax (and is probably baiting too anyway).
2022-01-12 16:30
2 replies
that dude is pretty committed, you gotta give him that xD
2022-01-12 17:51
1 reply
That guy triggers me so bad :Dd he is fucking virgin i swear
2022-01-14 18:36
+1
2022-01-12 16:29
Did you get triggered by that ScoreEsports video?
2022-01-12 16:29
1 reply
Yes
2022-01-12 16:50
You are right, we will probably never see a better rookie year than what ZywOo had in 2019
2022-01-12 16:29
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#394
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Brazil jzeni
Technically coldzera`s rookie year was in 2016 soo... 2x Major Winner 2x Major MVP #1 HLTV Tuff to beat that
2022-01-13 17:41
7 replies
Lol what? coldzera played in several tier 1 events in 2015. How the hell is 2016 his rookie year?
2022-01-13 17:45
2 replies
+1
2022-01-13 17:48
#398
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Brazil jzeni
Yes but he joined LG in the last quarter of the year so technically considering a full year it was 2016
2022-01-13 18:04
Coldzera is the best rookie of all time and the even for a rifler. Prime coldzera would absolutely demolish zyWHO anyday.
2022-01-15 11:44
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#476
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United States EDBX
Unlikely considering the level of CS continues to get higher and higher overtime.
2022-01-15 18:48
2 replies
Cs has become more tactical than before but in terms of aim old legends will be still higher individually since firepower was the main thing teams focused on before. Coldzera still has the highest rating after s1mple.
2022-01-15 19:28
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#500
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Spain JUiCYkoy
nah old players even in their primes would get destroyed by the top aimers rn. people like Niko, b1t and twistzz would light them up in duels. think about how many hours they spend in ffa vs pros that didnt even have that option
2022-01-18 21:35
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2022-01-13 19:22
1 reply
mate, stop it. it's not twitter
2022-01-14 18:21
sh1ro is the best rookie for 2021 not even b1t. they were only like top 30 for 1 month in december of 2020 nothing much for that year.
2022-01-12 16:30
18 replies
B1t was in ~120# hltv and won a major in one year. Sh1ro was talent and well-known a year before. Better call b1t opening of the year. ZywOo the same shit as sh1ro
2022-01-12 17:01
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#61
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Russia EL30
We have a problem of formalization here. What is a rookie year exactly? Should we count experience of playing for junior team or for any t3 team?
2022-01-12 17:11
15 replies
In my opinion best rookie = guy that did the biggest improve in skill, team, prestige etc. + playing on t1-t1.5
2022-01-12 17:24
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#88
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Canada Femtal
no rookie is the first year a pro player is under contract from a org, ZywOo went from aAa a team of nobody pugging to Vitality so Vitality was his first real team. For B1T and Sh1ro things get muddy a little bit since they already played "professionally" under gambit and NaVi before making it to the main roster but the jump in competition definitely makes them rookies
2022-01-12 17:34
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#89
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Canada Femtal
it's like playing college football and then making it to the leagues after.
2022-01-12 17:35
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#316
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
+1 or even Triple-A is probably a better comparison because its not based on age but based on skill (yes ikik everyone hates baseball)
2022-01-13 07:55
If compare zywOo and b1t as rookies Skill improve: zywOo > b1t Team improve : zywOo = b1t Prestiege improve: zywOo > b1t Achievements : zywOo < b1t ZywOo maybe goat rookie, but not sh1ro exactly
2022-01-12 18:03
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#154
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Canada Femtal
Team improve is not equal ZywOo was with trash roster when vitality started NBK, RPK, ALEX, ApeX but he still won best player in the world and carried them top 3. B1T joined NaVi they were already top 3 team with s1mple and elec. Achievements should be = because zyWoo still won 10 mpv/evp in 2019 won cologne and EPICENTER. I know its not major and grand slam but considering he b1t is playing with s1mple and electronic its less impressive
2022-01-12 19:38
4 replies
No one is saying B1T is best rookie anyway, He is the Rookie of the year and the guy who speedran cs with grand slam + Major, cologne win, Global finals win and HLTV top20 appearance
2022-01-13 13:06
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#389
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Canada Femtal
Idk why you are restating his tournament wins and no one is arguing that B1T is rookie of the year we are comparing ZywOo to B1T
2022-01-13 17:30
ZywOo - goat rookie in personal plan b1t - goat rookie in team plan
2022-01-13 21:16
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#416
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Canada Femtal
ZywOo Goat Rookie B1T rookie of the year
2022-01-13 23:12
just because AAA was a pug team doesn't mean they weren't contracted. They were by the way. If you are going to say that b1t and sh1ro had experience, zywoo had multiple season of premier. Played matches against top 10 and 20 teams, and quite a few against 30-50 ranked teams.
2022-01-13 05:39
imo if we are talking about the best it has to be between tier 1/2 teams at max Both zywoo and sh1ro already played in tier 1/2 teams in 2020 Zywoo did it even earlier at 2019.
2022-01-12 17:36
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And B1t was already contracted to Navi and played some maps for Navi in biggest tier1 tournaments in end of the 2020. Its just matter of drawing the line somewhere.
2022-01-12 18:32
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Maps, not even complete series. Also I'm counting fro when they joined a tier1 rooster not when they made the tryouts. B1t is only officially part of Navi since early 2021
2022-01-12 18:37
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If B1t would have not been in Navi junior, so contracted to the org already, Navi would have had to make a contract for him to get him playing. Look Nivera for example. Its also likely that they made some kind of contract to him for compensation to regular standin to the main team on top of his Navi junior contract.
2022-01-12 18:44
so deluded.
2022-01-12 22:54
Zywoo is the best rookie ever! No debate
2022-01-12 16:30
3 replies
+1
2022-01-12 16:45
#62
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Indonesia FinZzz
+1
2022-01-12 17:12
+1
2022-01-16 02:57
#14
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Ukraine Valta
zywoo rokie year 19 yo b1t rookie year 18 yo
2022-01-12 16:30
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#17
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
That doesn't really make b1t better than Zywoo
2022-01-12 16:40
and? compare stats? 1.32 rating against 1.10
2022-01-12 16:48
10 replies
#63
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Indonesia FinZzz
Not to mention the team. B1t has s1mple and electronic
2022-01-12 17:12
9 replies
It is even more impressive.. Its more impressive to be aknowledged for what u are bringing to the table if u are playing with 2 great players than to be the only one who shines trough shitty bots... It is the discrepancy that made zywoo look much better than b1t in his first(second) year
2022-01-12 20:21
8 replies
that only really applies when you put too much talent in one team and there are role clashes. there are no role clashes on navi. everyone gets to play a role that suits them. b1t can just chill most of the time because he knows everyone in his team can hold down their spot. zywoo would have to worry and position himself in case somebody on his team goes down. zywoo can't be as free about the aggressive plays he is going for, as he knows if he goes down, it's round over. b1t can be much more aggressive if he wants, as he knows his teammates will be great in the 4v5's.
2022-01-13 05:32
#306
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Indonesia FinZzz
Better teammates = less pressure to carry and fk up. Less pressure = better gameplay since you can make plays and still know that even if you fked up your team has got your back. Just look at Vitality for example, they suddenly got better after announcing that their team's gonna disband and won a tournament. Thats cause they have less pressure. Also better teammates = more round wins = more chances to go deep in tournaments and play more games = more chances to boost stats. And yet B1t's stats are far inferior to that of Zywoo. They are def not comparable nor in the same calibre
2022-01-13 07:48
6 replies
Not to mention more rounds won = more rounds with full buys
2022-01-13 17:46
They only won cause there was no navi playing.
2022-01-15 11:47
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#464
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Indonesia FinZzz
Still won buddy
2022-01-15 12:25
3 replies
Fluke win since no best team to contest.
2022-01-15 12:57
2 replies
#489
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Indonesia FinZzz
That doesnt really disprove my point
2022-01-16 03:08
1 reply
It does when there is no best player and best team to contest the second best player and second best team than its a fluke.
2022-01-16 13:26
Bcuz that was at least 12 months ago and one is not a rookie anymore
2022-01-12 16:31
4 replies
lol potato brain
2022-01-12 17:09
3 replies
zywho flair means malding baguetter Zywho is not a rookie his rookie year was 2019 but nt braindead newfag
2022-01-12 17:31
2 replies
tbf to that guy its nothing to do with defending zywoo youve just got the wrong end of the stick
2022-01-12 20:33
1 reply
now this is big brain
2022-01-14 16:02
best no but most successful yes, also its ignorant to not admit how much better b1t has become since his first events with navi compared to his lans and the major form
2022-01-12 16:32
cant understand that either...-
2022-01-12 16:43
#19
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United States ways1
b1t - 1 major zyw00 - 0 major
2022-01-12 16:45
8 replies
Zywo1 - 2 top 1's, B0t - 0((
2022-01-13 07:53
7 replies
yeah, sure... wining major and grand slam >>>>> being top 1 in some danish news site
2022-01-13 11:36
6 replies
Winning major and grand slam is s team achievment, not player. Also, he got hard carried by S1mple and Elec, soooooooo.
2022-01-13 11:45
5 replies
don't care + didn't ask + anyway S1mple is better than zywoo with 2 debatable top 1's
2022-01-13 21:37
4 replies
S1mple > Zywoo > NiKo > any tier 1 player with 1.10 rating overall > B1t
2022-01-13 21:43
3 replies
why hate him tho? he is an insane player, with 67 hs % while being entry. He is surely top 5 aimer in the world atm imo.
2022-01-13 21:56
2 replies
Don't hate him, I just dislike how people overrate him, he's just like broky in his rookie year, just with a better team. Yes, he has insane aim, but no Xantares/NiKo like.
2022-01-13 22:35
1 reply
Insane aim =/ equal to Xantares/Niko? Dude, Xantares is a tier 3 bot right now. Also highest hs% in csgo ever.
2022-01-15 06:03
#21
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Argentina atriX^
Hold on. Who said he was the best rookie "EVER"? I've only seen him being called the best of 2021 which is correct so...
2022-01-12 16:46
2 replies
Score Esports video
2022-01-12 17:10
1 reply
#290
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
They are just dumb
2022-01-13 04:53
#25
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Russia EL30
B1t is not even the second best rookie this year. Ax1le and Sh1ro are better rookies. They're higher on the top20 list for example. Well... not sure about ax1le but sh1ro for 100%
2022-01-12 16:49
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#29
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Mongolia k0ng0
Lol keep on dreaming. Shiro better rookie... You guys got to stop watching the scoreboard and actually watch the games if you think that.
2022-01-12 16:50
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#46
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Russia EL30
You probably a guy who thinks that awper has to be hard entry. Even the fact that sh1ro is an S-tier clutcher (probably best clutcher this year) won't change your mind
2022-01-12 17:03
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#420
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Mongolia k0ng0
No I'm probably a guy that think Shiro is a crazy talented guy, but not the best rookie. In terms of impact on the overall game B1t is better in my opinion, but they play very different roles so it's a bad comparison. Imo Shiro came into a team that already had a well and good structure, and they could have done very well with another awper that can hit shots aswell. Same with Vitality, they had done well with another good awper, like device or something for impact. But in Na'vi they were a team that missed exactly one piece, a really good 3rd rifler. B1t came in and filled that role, which I would argue no one else could have filled in as good of a way. And after he joined all pieces came together for Na'vi and they won the major which had eluded s1mple for so many years. B1t enabled his team and was the missing link, I've never seen another rookie have such impact and therefore I think B1t has done the best rookie year ever.
2022-01-14 18:13
welp, not sure, for example look at launder´s top 20 list.
2022-01-12 16:54
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#54
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Russia EL30
what's that
2022-01-12 17:08
3 replies
one of the best analysts in the world :)
2022-01-12 22:11
2 replies
#260
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Russia EL30
I can't find his list to be honest
2022-01-13 01:27
1 reply
its in video format, it is extremely biased towards players he likes.
2022-01-13 05:41
#291
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
Sh1ro and Axile are better but launders top 20 is one of worst top 20 list that you can create this year. Rez top 20 player. Seriously???
2022-01-13 04:55
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#431
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Mongolia k0ng0
Rez is top 10 player easy, I might disagree with some of the other picks on his list, but wtf u mean?
2022-01-14 23:39
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#458
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
rez might be a top 10 swedish player lol/
2022-01-15 06:29
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#493
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Mongolia k0ng0
Then you just don't understand how talented Rez is.
2022-01-16 16:10
Sh1ro is part of active rooster in 2020 Not a rookie in 2021, same with zywoo he can't be a rookie when he is in tier1 scene for 3 years
2022-01-12 16:56
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#51
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Russia EL30
But gambit youngsters is kind of a junior team. Not sure that we can count this as a pro debut. I know nothing about Zywoo actually. You say he was playing on a pro scene a lot before 2019?
2022-01-12 17:07
8 replies
2019 was zywoo rookie year at tier 1 cs Sh1ro rookie season was 2020 since he still played tier 1 tournaments at that time, tho only since october(when he joined) both played in academy teams before, just like b1t
2022-01-12 17:34
7 replies
Gambit played one tier1 tournament in 2020, Dreamhack masters, 6 maps. In comparison thats same amount of tier1 maps that B1t played in 2020.
2022-01-12 18:39
6 replies
Already told you b1t was not official part of active rooster in 2020.
2022-01-12 18:43
5 replies
So I should not correct your mistake. Nice to know.
2022-01-12 18:44
4 replies
What mistake? When did I say b1t never played a map with Navi before 2021? I said his rookie year is 2021 and this is facts
2022-01-12 18:46
3 replies
"Sh1ro rookie season was 2020 since he still played tier 1 tournaments at that time, tho only since october(when he joined) " This one in particular. Shiro played same amount of tier1 maps as B1t and you are saying that because of that Shiros rookie year should be 2020 and B1t's 2021. Also my main point is that if one is comparing rookies and rookie years, one should first define what counts and doesn't count as rookie year. You are doing poor job at this.
2022-01-12 18:49
2 replies
#37 you join in in the middle of a discussion without reading whats come prior and claim I need to writte again so you can see it.
2022-01-12 19:06
1 reply
bro u make a mistake here #87 even if he is part of the roster why play 6 maps make that his rookie year?
2022-01-13 02:22
yep totally ridiculous
2022-01-12 16:49
#27
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Mongolia k0ng0
Dude are you blind? Or how can you ask stupid question like this.?
2022-01-12 16:49
#31
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Croatia Momaq
because zywoo is overrated and didnt deserve top1
2022-01-12 16:51
1 reply
XD copium so hard Better statistics, better achievments, more MVPs/EVPs - didn't deserve btw
2022-01-12 16:55
zywoo = 0 majors after 3 years in tier 1, b1t = 1 major, Grand slam after 9 months in tier 1
2022-01-12 16:53
27 replies
Zywoo = carrying 4 bots B1t = Getting carried by s1mple in peak and electronic
2022-01-12 16:56
2 replies
+1
2022-01-13 02:04
ZywOo = main fragger + Awper. B1t only anchor, support or trade.
2022-01-15 06:06
#40
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Poland Astoner55
Majors and Grand Slams are a team effort, being a rookie or an experienced player doesn't play any role in that. If I were to play in a team with NiKo, ZywOo, S1mple and Hobbit, and they would've carried my ass to a major win, would that make me the best rookie ever? Think, people, think...
2022-01-12 16:56
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nope, that team wouldn´t win major. Hobbit doesnt have good english and we dont know if s1mple + zywoo would get along. +YOu would have like 5 kills, so nope. And the difference about b1t is the fact that right after navi benched flamie, b1t started playing on all 6 maps and they just started to dominate. Only 1 difference was made and that was B1t. B1t is the player who has made navi the team they are right now. /CLOSED
2022-01-12 17:02
5 replies
s1mple and elec did more so i could say the same for them? -s1mple and navi is top 50
2022-01-12 17:14
#79
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Poland Astoner55
And how is that any relevant to my argument? ZywOo on his rookie year had 1.32 rating and destroyed everyone, even s1mple, thus earning himself a number 1 spot on HLTV list, being the absolute best player in CSGO that year, and b1t had an amazing run this year, sure, he is surely the 2nd best rookie ever, but the BEST rookie has to be ZywOo, as long as b1t doesn't get HLTV number 1 this year, lol
2022-01-12 17:29
3 replies
destroyed everyone by having 1 tier1 tournament that year :DDDDDDDDD
2022-01-12 22:09
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#228
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Poland Astoner55
WINNING TOURNAMENTS IS A TEAM EFFORT. B1t has s1mple and electronic, top1 and top6 player, ZywOo had NBK, RPK, APEX and ALEX. IDK if you guys are baiting or just plain stupid... We can't be talking about best rookie and looking at team achievements, because then we're just talking about best team of the year. And best rookie is about individual performance. B1t will not be top1 of the year, neither will he have 1.30 rating like ZywOo.
2022-01-12 22:51
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#308
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Indonesia FinZzz
Dont mind him bro. Look at his flair. Just hating or plain stupid
2022-01-13 07:51
Based on your logic why were they unable to win all that with flamie?? b1t is not just a rookie he is the most complete player even better than zywoo individually since he won most duels against him and niko.
2022-01-12 17:46
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#124
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Poland Astoner55
Because Flamie was dragging them down? Didn't say b1t is a bad player, obviously his addition was huge to NAVI, but when we're talking about rookie of the year his rating is like 0.20 lower than ZywOo's in his rookie year, lol If you add an amazing support to a star team they will also star winning everything, by your logic +dennis to fnatic in late 2015/early 2016 made him THE MOST COMPLETE PLAYER as they won like 6/7 tournaments in a row after that...
2022-01-12 18:09
#126
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Poland Astoner55
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/11893/zyw.. compare their rookie years by yourself xD
2022-01-12 18:11
13 replies
Whats more important, getting #1 or winning big trophie events?
2022-01-12 18:48
12 replies
#153
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Poland Astoner55
When talking about best individual rookie year, obviously getting #1, lol. Not even close.
2022-01-12 19:07
11 replies
That's taken by coldzera who was first to do it and also won majors. Zywoo is 3rd after coldzera and b1t
2022-01-12 23:58
10 replies
#259
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Poland Astoner55
Coldzera's debut year was 2015
2022-01-13 01:23
9 replies
Coldzera joined T1 officially in 2016.
2022-01-13 14:02
8 replies
#375
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Poland Astoner55
Then how come he has played tier1 opposition since mid 2015 (when he joined luminosity)? lol
2022-01-13 15:06
7 replies
Because T2 and lower get a chance to play against a T1 team during some events, doesn't mean they are T1. Coldzera's first T1 team was LG and won a major also getting #1 and he did it twice.
2022-01-13 16:15
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#386
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Poland Astoner55
But he joined LG in mid 2015, lol
2022-01-13 16:58
5 replies
So why should 2015 be counted since he wasn't there since the beginning of it? omegalol In the beginning of 2016 he proved himself. omegalol
2022-01-13 17:37
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#393
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Poland Astoner55
b1t also wasn't in NAVI since the begnning of 2021 ;) how about that?
2022-01-13 17:37
3 replies
You're all over the place buddy. And to correct you b1t was in navi beginning of 2021 as a 6th man. ;))))))))))) The topic here is who the best rookie is and that's undoubtedly coldzera with 2 majors and 2x #1. Also zywoo couldn't achieve in 3 years what b1t achieved in his first year. Zywoo is nowhere near to b1t or coldzera.
2022-01-13 18:20
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#401
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Poland Astoner55
Until april 11th, he only played 5 matches with NAVI. How is that a full year? He joined on a regular basis on april 11th. That's 1/3rd of a year left out. hltv.org/news/31531/flamie-to-sit-out-dr.. Winning majors and tournaments is a TEAM EFFORT, so stop talking about ACHIEVING something. Teams achieve tournament wins, individual skill matters when it's about rookie of the year, and that's always going to be ZywOo, cause b1t and cold, apart from one of them playing 5 fucking series until april 11th and the other one joininig LG in 2015 and having his debut in the middle of it, and that's a fact you're straight up ignoring, which is pathetic, ZYWOO HAD 1.31 RATING. We can't talk about team achievements because it's a team effort to get them, which just means we're talking about the best team of the year CONTAINING a rookie. And that's not what we're talking about. You either can't understand english good enough to understand it or you're just straight up baiting. Pathetic either way. Not gonna reply anymore, learn to comprehend simple facts and stats. If rookie of the year means the most tournament wins for you, then surely fifflaren was the best fucking rookie of 2012
2022-01-13 19:14
1 reply
"b1t also wasn't in NAVI since the begnning of 2021 ;) how about that?" That's what you said and i proved you wrong even if b1t had played 1 game he was still in main navi roster. Counter-strike is a team game and the main goal of a team is to win the events and trophies and that's what B1t accomplished helping to solve the puzzle navi has been missing for dominance. Zywoo on the other hand did not do it whether his team was bad or not that is not b1t or coldzera's problem, coldzera was a rifler who was able to achieve #1 2times which is crazy by itself. If there was no s1mple or electronic who knows maybe b1t could also take #1 since he is mechanically skilled aswell. B1t came in and transformed a inconsistent team into a dominant team also not to mention him having highest HS percentage in history of CS also getting 1.21 rating for the past 3 months and that all for an academy player.
2022-01-13 19:35
#307
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Indonesia FinZzz
Zywoo 2 top #1 after only 3 years of playing. S1mple 2 top #1 after 8 years xD
2022-01-13 07:50
#33
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Poland Astoner55
He is the best rookie of 2021, that's for sure, but ZywOo is the best rookie of all time, at least as of right now. I doubt there will come another rookie like ZywOo, getting HLTV #1 in his first year of playing in tier1.
2022-01-12 16:54
7 replies
You're thinking wrong, coldzera was first to do it and whilst winning a major. Everything will be done even better in the future.
2022-01-12 17:47
6 replies
#120
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Poland Astoner55
liquipedia.net/counterstrike/Coldzera Coldzera's rookie year outside of tier5 was 2014, and his rookie year in tier1/2 was 2015.
2022-01-12 18:06
5 replies
He oficially joined t1 in 2016 and won major twice + mvp + top1 twice
2022-01-12 18:08
4 replies
#125
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Poland Astoner55
Nope, he joined tier1/2 in mid 2015.
2022-01-12 18:09
#313
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Indonesia FinZzz
Coldzera has taco who baits for him 24/7, fallen who is a top 2 awper at that time, and fer who is one of the best aggresive riflers. Both of them make it to top 10. Not to mention FNX one of the best support players at that time Zywoo on the otherhand has no teammates in the top 20, pure hard carry. Cold meanwhile doesnt have to hard carry cause he got a well rounded solid team
2022-01-13 07:53
2 replies
That is irrelevant and has nothing to do with the topic.
2022-01-13 14:00
1 reply
#377
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Indonesia FinZzz
True. But i just wanna put it out there
2022-01-13 15:18
#36
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Ukraine d3adLY
zywoo wasnt better, he had so good stats cuz 4 bad teammates(they cant kill so he just steals their frags)
2022-01-12 16:55
76 replies
you are dumb if u think having worse teammates means u will get better stats xd
2022-01-12 16:56
66 replies
#50
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Ukraine d3adLY
4 bad teammates = they cant kill(u steal their frags) + they play for u too much (like vitality) 4 good teammates = they kill so u just can do default frags + enemy teams are afraid to peek(like astralis 2018) best team to find best player = 1-2 good teammates(except this best player) (like navi or g2)
2022-01-12 17:07
65 replies
4 bad teammates = u lose more rounds, u play more ecos = more deaths = worse statistics 4 good teammates = u win more rounds, u play more fulls and anti ecos = better statistics
2022-01-12 17:09
64 replies
#67
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Ukraine d3adLY
vitality is lucky team, they dont play so much ecos, so doesnt work for them
2022-01-12 17:19
63 replies
Nice argument, u won.
2022-01-12 17:21
62 replies
#71
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Ukraine d3adLY
so u really think vitality is REAL t1 team?
2022-01-12 17:24
61 replies
They clearly are since they are competing and even winning maps of other tier 1 teams. Even if they are the weaker tier 1 team i would still consider them tier1
2022-01-12 17:37
7 replies
#130
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Ukraine d3adLY
but its lucky wins
2022-01-12 18:24
6 replies
Delate your account fast
2022-01-12 20:57
5 replies
#202
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Ukraine d3adLY
why?
2022-01-12 21:20
4 replies
i have always though that you were trolling but if you really think what you say it means you have serious problem and should stop embarassing yourself on this website, i tell that for your own good
2022-01-12 21:28
3 replies
#214
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Ukraine d3adLY
why? if i tell the truth why its not good?
2022-01-12 21:39
2 replies
Yeah keep living in your dream
2022-01-12 23:22
1 reply
#242
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Ukraine d3adLY
my dream is vitality disband so...
2022-01-12 23:42
ur so retarded
2022-01-12 17:44
1 reply
#131
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Ukraine d3adLY
why? cuz vitality is fluke team?
2022-01-12 18:24
wtf, this guy is braindead
2022-01-12 17:47
1 reply
#132
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Ukraine d3adLY
2022-01-12 18:25
But what vitality being T1 or no team has to do with someone's stats? XD
2022-01-12 20:05
42 replies
#159
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Ukraine d3adLY
wdym?
2022-01-12 20:06
41 replies
I'm asking you what do u mean XD
2022-01-12 20:06
40 replies
#161
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Ukraine d3adLY
i mean vitality is not real t1 team
2022-01-12 20:07
39 replies
They are. And what that has to do with having good or bad stats because of teammates?
2022-01-12 20:07
33 replies
#163
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Ukraine d3adLY
if u dont have atleast 2 good players in team u cant be real t1 team it means your team has <1,0 rating but somehow wins
2022-01-12 20:09
32 replies
XDDDD Are u dumb? They were playing constantly against T1 teams, won a lot of matches + won few S tier events. Ofc they are tier1 team.
2022-01-12 20:11
31 replies
#167
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Ukraine d3adLY
they are t1 team, yes, but NOT REAL t1, just fluke
2022-01-12 20:12
30 replies
But we are talking about 2019, not 2021 lol
2022-01-12 20:12
29 replies
#170
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Ukraine d3adLY
it works for every year
2022-01-12 20:14
28 replies
No it doesn't and I already explained u why. They were real T1 team in 2019.
2022-01-12 20:15
27 replies
#175
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Ukraine d3adLY
no, check stats of vitality`s players, 4 guys with bad stats + apex as igl(one of the worst t1 igl ever)
2022-01-12 20:25
26 replies
U pretend or what? Since when u define if team is T1 or no basing on player's stats XDDD And apex is still better igl than boombl4 kkkkkkkkkkk
2022-01-12 20:43
25 replies
#182
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Ukraine d3adLY
if you have 4 bad players HOW u can win?? only with luck and boombla is better than apex
2022-01-12 20:44
24 replies
Idk, by tactics for example? But u might don't know that as a navi fan. Who cares how, win is a win and it has nothing to do with zywoo being goat rookie XD He's not
2022-01-12 20:47
23 replies
#184
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Ukraine d3adLY
yeah, but first check his demos, avg aim and movement u cant win only with strat + strats in vitality? when apex is igl? funny
2022-01-12 20:48
22 replies
Ok write that again but in english please so I can understand what u are trying to say.
2022-01-12 20:50
21 replies
#205
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Ukraine d3adLY
my eng is not good but #184 is not hard to understand....
2022-01-12 21:21
20 replies
It is for me, I have no idea what u meant
2022-01-12 21:45
19 replies
#217
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Ukraine d3adLY
1) i mean u can check zywoo`s demos and see that he has avg aim and movement 2) u cant win if u have only strats(without good players)(and how vitality has strats if apex is igl?)
2022-01-12 22:04
18 replies
1) XDD Ok u are baiting, not gonna reply to u anymore 2) Ofc u can. U are stupid if u think apex is a bad igl, he's definitely top5 igl's. According to u they have bad players and bad igl, obviously they won thanks to luck =DDDD
2022-01-12 22:28
17 replies
#223
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Ukraine d3adLY
yeah, baiting, ofc... i just tell the truth 4 silver and 1 global (everyone is 100000iq and plays 5 years together )vs 4 globals(with good aim but tactics only rush a/b) + 1 silver, guess who will win and yes, vitality won cuz luck
2022-01-12 22:39
16 replies
But who the fuck cares. Discussion was about zywoo's rookie year and u bring some irrelevant shit XD
2022-01-12 22:50
15 replies
#234
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Ukraine d3adLY
#41 XD your first replay wasnt even about zywoo XD
2022-01-12 23:10
14 replies
? it was aobut zywoo
2022-01-12 23:11
13 replies
#243
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Ukraine d3adLY
" if u think having worse teammates means u will get better stats xd" yeah, about zywoo... its about bad teams
2022-01-12 23:42
12 replies
U already forgot ur comment or what? #36 U said zywoo had 4 bad teammates so it was easier for him to get better stats and I replied to that DXD
2022-01-13 02:58
11 replies
Retard
2022-01-13 03:04
#323
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Ukraine d3adLY
"if u think having worse teammates means u will get better stats xd", yes its about zywoo... NO, its about teams with bad players
2022-01-13 10:34
9 replies
And zywoo had team with bda players lol
2022-01-13 12:43
8 replies
#347
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Ukraine d3adLY
yes, so lets speak about vitality and how theyir players are bad, not for every other bad teams
2022-01-13 12:44
7 replies
You literaly started discussion about zywoo having good stats cuz he had 4 bad teammates. Why would u talk about other teams XDDD
2022-01-13 12:46
6 replies
#356
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Ukraine d3adLY
??? u started to talk about other team, not me
2022-01-13 13:38
5 replies
Where did I do that lol
2022-01-13 13:41
4 replies
#360
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Ukraine d3adLY
2022-01-13 13:48
3 replies
And where do u see me talking about other teams? XD
2022-01-13 13:49
2 replies
#370
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Ukraine d3adLY
ok, if u dont understand...
2022-01-13 14:29
1 reply
Clearly u are the one who don't understand. Or don't want to and just pretend
2022-01-13 14:59
top 4, but they are not tier 1... impossible to be smarter than you
2022-01-12 20:52
4 replies
Top3 again when G2 will annonce monesy
2022-01-12 21:01
#203
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Ukraine d3adLY
top 4 but fluke its like gambit or cloud9 won major, they didnt deserve it
2022-01-12 21:20
2 replies
Vitality is top3 team of the year every year since 2019 but its luck and fluke ofc m8 your brain is really big
2022-01-12 23:23
1 reply
#241
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Ukraine d3adLY
yes, its fluke
2022-01-12 23:41
#466
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Asia Acasthe
NaVi flair strikes again!
2022-01-15 13:08
5 replies
#467
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Ukraine d3adLY
?? vitality isnt good team
2022-01-15 13:12
4 replies
#471
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Asia Acasthe
0/8 they are good, just not the best. They could beat other good teams like G2 and Gambit as well. If NaVi is the only good team for you, then that is just delusional.
2022-01-15 13:41
3 replies
#472
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Ukraine d3adLY
why u think i have respect only for navi? g2, heroic, astralis, nip etc are good teams vitality and gambit are lucky teams, they should be tier 2-3
2022-01-15 13:47
2 replies
#480
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Asia Acasthe
Imo currently the top 2-5 teams are almost currently equal. That's why I assumed that you also think of other teams as a lucky/bad team.
2022-01-16 01:07
1 reply
#482
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Ukraine d3adLY
only gambit and vitality are lucky ream(first cuz online team and they are bad at lans, second cuz 4 bad players and they cant win)
2022-01-16 01:54
the frankie flair suited you why change it easier to detect an idiot
2022-01-12 17:46
1 reply
#128
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Ukraine d3adLY
XD i changed it cuz i wanted
2022-01-12 18:24
People were using the same shitty argument to downplay s1mple in 2018 lmao
2022-01-12 17:50
6 replies
#129
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Ukraine d3adLY
no, he had 1 good player(electronic)
2022-01-12 18:24
5 replies
#315
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Indonesia FinZzz
Flamie who is a top 20, guardiaN who is one of the best awpers in csgo history, excuses
2022-01-13 07:54
4 replies
#322
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Ukraine d3adLY
guardian wasnt in navi in 2018 flamie was avg in 2018(coldzera top 1 x2 where is he now?, bad argument)
2022-01-13 10:32
3 replies
#339
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Indonesia FinZzz
Im talking about the overall time s1mple is playing with Navi you numbnut
2022-01-13 12:16
2 replies
#345
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Ukraine d3adLY
and how i should know it???? #110 said about 2018, why r u talking about all time?
2022-01-13 12:41
1 reply
#468
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Indonesia tldr))
Don't mind him bro just check his flair,you will waste your time.. He's just stupid
2022-01-15 13:19
individually zywoo is above him, head and shoulders. But b1t was lucky to join in with a great team, he is good, very good, but comparing vitality to navi is.... Unlucky for zywoo
2022-01-12 16:56
Russian brain moment
2022-01-12 17:01
b1t not an awper though, but he is a hs machine
2022-01-12 17:01
b1t in his first year in tier1 = 1 major zywho in his first year in tier1 = awp abuser
2022-01-12 17:04
#48
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Brazil renatorib
coldzera in his first year in t1 = major + hltv #1
2022-01-12 17:05
6 replies
not a rookie lol
2022-01-12 17:27
Zywho fangirls tend to forget it. It’s understandable they didn’t know cs even existed
2022-01-12 17:27
2 replies
Cold was not a rookie when he won his major
2022-01-12 21:02
1 reply
#249
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Brazil renatorib
It doesn't matter, we are in 2022, there's no truth, just fake news
2022-01-12 23:52
Cold is the real goat rookie
2022-01-12 17:32
2022-01-12 21:02
he won a major + grandslam + 4/4 on LAN + $850k prize money = top 10 and best rookie
2022-01-12 17:06
Best rookie was TACO and everybody knows that
2022-01-12 17:08
2 replies
he still is!
2022-01-12 21:00
#285
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Korea Rel^
+1
2022-01-13 04:02
where major?
2022-01-12 17:08
#59
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Germany Matrixrl1
+1 Zywoo didnt have simple or electronic on his team
2022-01-12 17:11
facts. zywoo is the greatest rookie in CS ever
2022-01-12 17:13
guy from new project (academy) from nowhere, not like zywoo, and best player of the world called him best aimer in a team , so he is definataly rokie of the year. 2021
2022-01-12 17:13
2 replies
he came from a tier 4-5, isnt that from nowhere aswell?
2022-01-12 17:22
1 reply
man
2022-01-14 03:17
People get really carried away because he won lots of tournaments including a major but in reality Zywoo 2019 was better because he did it for the whole year and was much better individually
2022-01-12 17:25
i think they mean outside from zywoo, zywoo is like an exception when it comes to rookies, but b1t still looks like a rookie in the matches he plays, zywoo never did
2022-01-12 17:26
i mean he won major pro league cologne dreamhack grandslam blast global final ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ofc he is not better than zywoo, hell there is one player in that category and it's only s1mple but he speedran pro cs like no one before him!
2022-01-12 17:30
sure
2022-01-12 17:30
#83
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England julz!
i dont think zywoo and sh1ro count as rookies tbh
2022-01-12 17:31
3 replies
trying to say that but most people disagree with the dictionary meaning of the word rookie
2022-01-12 17:32
People mean rookies in tier1 obviously Zywoo played in Vitality in 2018 but that was the shitty tier2 version.sh1ro played at tier1 events first in 2021
2022-01-12 17:56
1 reply
Zywoo played with vitality the last 2 months of 2018 just to qualify the team that did not exist before for the 2019 year
2022-01-12 21:05
hltv #1 serious bussines xDDD way better than Major and a lot other tournaments in bag with millions $$$$$$
2022-01-12 17:38
2 replies
for gauging individual skill yes
2022-01-13 03:19
1 reply
When u hasnt the win anything , no this doesn't make any sense
2022-01-13 07:17
#94
fnx | 
Portugal lovessd
because we are in 2022 & not in 2018
2022-01-12 17:39
1 reply
+1
2022-01-12 21:00
#95
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Europe hltvmens
+1
2022-01-12 17:39
Because you’re idiot
2022-01-12 17:41
B1t won more duels against zywoo and niko so b1t >all
2022-01-12 17:44
6 replies
Zywoo won more duel vs s1mple so zywoo > s1mple
2022-01-12 21:05
5 replies
Not even close, the most times zywoo killed s1mple is from behind or trades. Rifle vs rifle s1mple dominated zywoo also with awp.
2022-01-12 23:56
4 replies
Zywoo won more duel vs s1mple so zywoo > s1mple
2022-01-13 16:24
1 reply
#254 /closed
2022-01-13 16:25
Wtf is this cope lol. I specifically tried to analyze every time they killed eachother, it's head on for both every time. Zywoo just does it more. There is literally a clip of Zywoo directly peeking into s1mple awp angle and tagging him without getting hit on nuke
2022-01-15 04:44
1 reply
I can show you clips where zywoo directly peaks into s1mple and s1mple beheads him instantly both with rifle. Direct duels s1mple won more duels but zywoo got more trade kills.
2022-01-15 11:40
Coldzera best rookie winning 2majors and 2x best player.
2022-01-12 17:48
+1
2022-01-12 17:49
I think they mean the best rookie in terms of accomplishments rather than skill.
2022-01-12 17:49
#113
RpK | 
France HippzZ
+1
2022-01-12 17:51
should be called winningest rookie
2022-01-12 18:00
because navi fans are more delusional than brazilians
2022-01-12 18:40
b1t has such space making potential in all games you cannot really compare him to Zywoo since both players represent completely different roles. B1t as a player is not about his stats he is about his playmaking potential and creating space around the map. Guy is a reliable map control turret and will be remembered as on of the most consistent roflers forever. Mark my words. Guy is a consistent map holding BEAST.!
2022-01-12 18:43
cuz he isn't awp abuser?
2022-01-12 18:50
B1t 1 major zywoo 0, I do agree that Zywoo was alround the better of the two rookies though.
2022-01-12 18:53
Winning the major and being the difference maker on NaVi is pretty huge. when they had flamie they were a top 3 team fighting gambit and heroic for the #1 spot in the online era. But as soon as they made b1t a permanent member the gap became massive between them and the #2 team. B1t's aggression has a lot to do with it imo
2022-01-12 18:53
b1t was the last piace to create a super team. Zywho started 2018 and his team was maxed top 30 and he didn't reach the top 20. So your claim is wrong by facts and reality.
2022-01-12 19:01
11 replies
this is bait
2022-01-12 20:00
1 reply
Nope it is the truth. ZywOo Mathieu Herbaut 2018-10-08 liquipedia.net/counterstrike/Team_Vitali..
2022-01-12 20:34
You are so fking retarded, zywoo played the last 2 months of 2018 with vitality just because the structure did not exist and they had the qualify the team for the T1 events in 2019. So zywoo started playing T1 events in 2019
2022-01-12 21:07
8 replies
#317
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Indonesia FinZzz
You rekt him
2022-01-13 07:55
you say I am retarded while you ignore facts. 2018-11-18 1st A-Tier Offline DreamHack Open DreamHack Open Atlanta 2018 A-Tier events is one level below S-Tier tournaments... And they lost qualifier after qualifier. When you are too weak for T1 events it is also the fault of Zywho. You already lost the argument by that wrong mindset.
2022-01-13 19:25
6 replies
#469
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Indonesia tldr))
You rekt him bro
2022-01-15 13:25
Yes zywoo could have been top1 after 1 month of play in a all year 10 iqbdetected
2022-01-18 21:16
4 replies
What has it to do with the fact that Zywho started in 2018 and not in 2019?? Instead of accepting facts, you insult other people when you only try to hide that you are the person here that is wrong.
2022-01-18 21:27
3 replies
Playing 1 month in 2018 = starting in 2018 nice braindead
2022-01-18 22:01
2 replies
he played for 3 month. Can't you read dates?
2022-01-18 22:14
1 reply
What dont you understand by "qualifier events" vitality was not a csgo team when they create it so they had to qualify from the botom to every events in order to play t1 events in 2019
2022-01-18 22:33
He wasnt even top 20 in his first year in T1
2022-01-12 20:14
3 replies
vitality first tier 1 tournament was in april 2019, and in that year zywoo was top 1
2022-01-12 23:23
2 replies
he started to play for vitality since octomber 2018 or something like that
2022-01-13 18:23
1 reply
People can never say "NA iq" ever again when comments like this are made.
2022-01-15 04:43
vitality have been a top 5 team since zywoo joined. Without him this team wouldnt reach top20 tbh. With him you get neo's gamesense and f0rest's aim which makes everything look way too easy. The most talented player csgo have ever seen. that guy was born for cs he was never a rookie
2022-01-12 20:24
1 reply
*ZywOo aim
2022-01-13 16:25
i dunno... for me just fluke and carried...
2022-01-12 20:25
people are so dumb my god: zywoo - best individual rookie year because of that he got top 1 b1t - best rookie in terms of achievements, theres no other rookie in this world that won more than b1t in 1 year. ( including Major + Grandslam)
2022-01-12 20:57
best rookie of the year maybe?
2022-01-12 20:59
flag + flair
2022-01-12 21:00
b1t in his first year in t1 - owning everyone + HLTV #8 + won Major
2022-01-12 21:12
cus he tax that ass mate
2022-01-12 21:23
people have to be absolutely delusional to think that b1t was a better rookie than zywoo
2022-01-12 21:23
#211
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Ukraine McSwell
Some people still haven't realise that csgo event wins are actual trophies you have in your trophy cabinet for an actual victory nobody can argue about, and hltv top-1 is subjective award of one site given and majorly based on good stats.
2022-01-12 21:32
12 replies
So can we agree device is a real goat, not s1mple?
2022-01-12 22:53
11 replies
+1
2022-01-12 23:24
#304
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Ukraine McSwell
No, because s1mple has the same trophies as device, just less. And most amount of trophies != goat
2022-01-13 07:15
9 replies
10 lan trophies less, 3 majors less xD
2022-01-13 12:37
7 replies
#350
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Ukraine McSwell
I don't debate the fact device has most trophies in csgo. Bill Russell has most rings in NBA, Dani Alves has most trophies in football as well. Nobody of them to be ever considered as goat tho.
2022-01-13 12:47
6 replies
So if hltv trophies doesn't really matter cuz it's subjective award and s1mple has much less trophies than device - what makes him goat?
2022-01-13 13:38
5 replies
#364
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Ukraine McSwell
The combination of trophies, individual skill, consistency and personality.
2022-01-13 14:01
4 replies
Trophies - Device is better. Individual skill - S1mple is better Consistency - Device is better. Personality doesn't matter in this case.
2022-01-13 14:04
3 replies
#367
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Ukraine McSwell
Consistency - s1mple is better. Personality (key life decisions, champion mentality, etc) - does matter.
2022-01-13 14:17
2 replies
8 years straight in top20, 6 years in a row in top5 No it doesn't. Destroying someone's phone for fun or scamming people on skins does matter also? =DD
2022-01-13 14:58
I agree with your criteria. Personality: Device. I still can't remember device's wire ban for cheating, then another ban for evading that ban, then scamming viewers out of knives, then getting banned for racism, then being universally known for toxicity and a big ego.
2022-01-15 04:41
I love that the simple "So you agree device is by far the goat" makes your logic crumble Device 4 majors, real LAN grand slam >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> s1mple post pandemic major where every top team is disbanding and online grand slam LUL
2022-01-15 04:40
#213
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Switzerland NtroP
Agreed However he is the 2nd best rookie
2022-01-12 21:33
Anyway the rookie of this year is sh1ro
2022-01-12 21:47
#218
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Brazil Khart
He's the best current rookie
2022-01-12 22:05
#229
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Sweden Akoulad
he is not even that good also. slightly above average
2022-01-12 22:52
Ofc not of all time. This year its shiro and b1t second, everybody knows it they are just trolling. But b1t is the most succesful rookie.
2022-01-12 22:54
1 reply
a very successful one helped turn Navi from an Average team into World Champions going from 1 trophy in 2020 to 8 including a Major in 2021 huge turnaround
2022-01-12 23:26
Same people who claim b1t as best rookie ever will tell you sh1ro should be nº4 in top 20 hltv
2022-01-12 23:02
From a pure objective angle, B1t does more for the team, her has better impact, he understands the mechanics better.
2022-01-12 23:50
B1t knows how to make a team win. Zywoo doesn't know this.
2022-01-12 23:51
4 replies
well b1t is not the star player and zywoo is/was
2022-01-12 23:53
b1t got into already formed team of star players zywoo carries bots for 3 years now
2022-01-12 23:53
2 replies
B1t had to play for the team, zywoo had the whole team play for him. and B1t shines more than zywoo despite not having all the supporting cast playing entirely for him.
2022-01-12 23:59
1 reply
No clue how this fake flagging baiter isn't banned yet, baits are so bad too.
2022-01-15 04:38
he was good yeah, very good but the thing that made it that way was the fact he won major
2022-01-12 23:52
Coldzera best rookie
2022-01-12 23:53
1 reply
#292
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Russia ToughGuy
He was a bum in 2015
2022-01-13 05:07
kinda hard to be #1 when you have the #1 on your team lol b1t is the best rookie cos he won more in just a few months than zywoo (and many pros actually) in 2 years + b1t had way less prior official experience than zywoo
2022-01-13 00:03
5 replies
#289
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
Without the number 1 and number 5 in his team, he wouldn't be even win a single event.
2022-01-13 04:52
This logic is dumb. He isn't the best rookie. He's the best rookie at joining a top 1 team though!
2022-01-15 04:38
3 replies
flag + flair you know nothing about cs
2022-01-17 09:46
2 replies
Joining a team with fucking s1mple and electronic and then winning isn't as huge as what zywoo or coldzera accomplished dont google cyprus vs usa iq
2022-01-17 10:00
1 reply
navi won like 1 event in 2020 with bot flamie and then as soon b1t joined they won 8 including a major if that's not an insane rookie boost i dont know what is
2022-01-17 10:30
if you don't think b1t was "owning everyone" you are delusional
2022-01-13 01:38
#262
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Iceland suriel666
Zywoo AWP + star role b1t raw rifle talent, one of the best performers on LAN b1t rookie year > zywoo rookie year
2022-01-13 01:44
7 replies
ZywOo was the BEST performer on LAN in 2019, not just one of the best
2022-01-13 03:58
5 replies
#412
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Iceland suriel666
which is literally the same. "the best" (even if just by a mere 0.01 higher rating) is included in being "one of the best", but i see mathematical set theory is not something being taught very well in NA
2022-01-13 22:09
4 replies
English or literature is not taught well in Iceland, i suppose?
2022-01-13 22:32
2 replies
#415
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Iceland suriel666
neither is in canada i guess :D and so is math :D keep on malding tho
2022-01-13 22:37
1 reply
you are the one who is not capable of comprehending what I wrote at #284 so
2022-01-14 01:49
Classic proven wrong = troll
2022-01-15 04:36
zywoo is literally one of the best riflers in the world, wtf rofl. Probably niko > zywoo=s1mple in rifling. he is also the top pistol player of all time and no one comes close.
2022-01-15 04:35
Dude nobody thinks that. Only baiters do.
2022-01-13 02:04
#268
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Hungary szia
he got called up to a team that has s1mple and just kicked flamie. kinda hard to not be successful there
2022-01-13 02:06
#269
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Mozambique CRMN1
Reminding everyone that cold did both on his rookie year as well. No one mentions him but he won 2 majors, 2 major mvps and #1 hltv on his breakout year. He's overall the best rookie we will probably see ever.
2022-01-13 02:11
2 replies
did Coldzera compete in 2 majors with Luminosity in 2015 as well? not a rookie in definition if that's the case.
2022-01-13 03:11
1 reply
#335
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Mozambique CRMN1
cold joined LG late august 2015. that does not count as a rookie year.
2022-01-13 12:04
Nip best rookies
2022-01-13 03:11
How many major's does Zywoo have? That will answer your question.
2022-01-13 03:33
2 replies
People on this site genuinely think this argument has any merit.
2022-01-15 04:34
1 reply
Cry is free Zywoo did not win a single event in 2021. He can't hard carry even tho Vitality play around him. IEM winter doesn't count cos Na'vi skipped it.
2022-01-15 13:35
zywoo is a once in a lifetime phenomenon and in his own world. b1t just came to navi and made the team complete from the get go while being completely unknown and unproven. he's not rookie of the year for his individual skill (although obviously it is very high) but rather for glueing navi together - something they lacked for a long time. i think that title is well deserved considering everything navi achieved in 2021.
2022-01-13 03:55
1 reply
#298
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China N30NL4
+1 People discredit b1t based on his team while ignoring that b1t is an inseparable part of the success of his team.
2022-01-13 05:47
#293
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Russia ToughGuy
He called one of the best not the best
2022-01-13 05:08
#296
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Serbia G2_eGODS
B1t Overrated b0t
2022-01-13 05:40
B1t as a rookie is almost the same if not better than Zywoo. Top1 HLTV means nothing if you can't win tournaments on a consistent basis. Zywoo failed at 2019 Majors, where as b1t elevated Na`Vi to great heights. Also I don't get why people like you think that b1t joined a "winning" team hence it was easier for him.. NO! He joined a team which was struggling and needed a 3rd star.. and he worked hard, improved and became the 2nd star.. almost a superstar player..
2022-01-13 07:09
6 replies
#319
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Indonesia FinZzz
"Struggling" Navi were a top 3 team while struggling 🤦‍♂️ Also winning tournaments = team achievement. You cant control your teammate's performances, if they are bad then your chances of winning the major are screwed. Can b1t win major and a grandslam with ALEX, rpk, NBK, apex? Also 1.3 rating >>>> 1.1 rating. Zywoo destroying top teams on his own and getting #1 spot beating s1mple, meanwhile b1t is not even better then electronic lmao God your logic is dumb as hell
2022-01-13 08:00
4 replies
Na`Vi consistently struggled against Gambit when B1t wasn't there. B1t has the potential to be a better rifler than electroNic. (in a couple of years). Without B1t, Na`Vi wouldn't have been the team they are right now. Blah blah blah. Get the f outta my face Vitality fanboy lol
2022-01-13 11:51
3 replies
#336
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Indonesia FinZzz
Says the one with boomb14 flair LOL the irony! Also whats wrong with being a Vitality fan? Cant address my arguments properly so you result to call me a fanboy? Yeah another braindead take Your argument about b1t's potential is useless. We are talking about their first year as a t1 rookie, i dont give a shit about potential in 2-3 years. At their first years, Zywoo >>> b1t individually speaking. Without B1t, Navi might not win major and grand slam. But still they are a top team that only needs a few change. Meanwhile without Zywoo, Vitality wont even make top 10. French CS is basically irrelevant without him. Stop being delusional, get in touch with reality.
2022-01-13 12:13
2 replies
My first comment was "b1t is equal if not better than Zywoo" and I stand by it. B1t passed the eye test and destroyed everybody including your dear Zywoo in head to heads at LAN. Zywoo did jack shit on LAN in 2019. Na`Vi wasn't content with just being a top team, hence they brought on B1t, which elevated them to being the best team. Stop replying to me please. Fuck off. Thank you very much.
2022-01-13 13:00
1 reply
#378
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Indonesia FinZzz
Without s1mple and electronic, b1t is nothing. He is really good but so overhyped by fanboys like you He did not destroy Zywoo on LAN, if you think so then prove it. Btw we had lockdown and play mostly online cs on 2019, did you forgot about it while sleeping under your rock?
2022-01-13 15:22
maybe worst comment i have ever seen on this site
2022-01-15 04:32
#303
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Brazil hugoooo
2019 ZywOo is BY FAR, the best rookie ever. And it's not even close, it's actually laughable that people are even trying to compare 2021 b1t with 2019 ZywOo, in terms of who is the best rookie. People just forget that b1t has s1mple carrying everyone else asses to golden trophies, while ZywOo was the one doing this on his debut year, massive difference. Not only that, 2019 Vitality was a brand new project/team, while Na'Vi already was a very stable team when b1t joined. ZywOo had everything against him, b1t had everything on his favor.
2022-01-13 07:16
13 replies
#318
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Indonesia FinZzz
+1 toxic s1mple fans trying to diminish Zywoo's greatness by making dumb comparisons
2022-01-13 07:56
11 replies
who cares? 1 has a major and a grandslam, the other doesnt, he can have his placements, bit takes the titles
2022-01-13 10:35
10 replies
who cares? 1 has 2x best player in the world and 12 mvps, the other doesnt, he can have his titles, zywoo takes the fame and individual skill
2022-01-13 11:21
8 replies
6 titles in 3 years of pro cs 💀💀💀 ''goat''
2022-01-13 17:20
7 replies
took s1mple over 3 years in pro cs to get 6 titles as well btw but nt
2022-01-13 17:29
5 replies
simple played with botquid allow it
2022-01-13 17:31
4 replies
with liquid, hellraisers, flipside and navi and zywoo's case is the same, so i dont understand your point
2022-01-13 17:32
Liquid was one of the best teams in the world during that time, nt also flag
2022-01-15 04:31
2 replies
they were and are ass
2022-01-15 18:42
1 reply
Flag They were the 2nd best team of 2018 and 2019 under Astralis who were unbeatable, nt no scener
2022-01-15 23:31
1 major in almost a 10 year long career "goat"
2022-01-18 22:35
#338
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Indonesia FinZzz
Zywoo is 21 years old, he has plenty of chances to win a major and a grand slam. 3 years playing and already in the history books being compared to some of the best players in history But yeah "who cares" am i right. Braindead
2022-01-13 12:15
+1, holy shit navi fanboys are cringe
2022-01-15 04:31
b1t best rookie with team achivments/earn prize money, Zywho best rookie with individual achivment/mvp's/evp's/ hltv ranking
2022-01-13 10:36
1 reply
+1, put rookie zywoo in a better team and he would have all aspects probably
2022-01-13 11:19
on an individual level, zywoo is the best rookie in the history of CSGO, and it isnt even close. i doubt there will ever be another zywoo, but this all doesnt mean B1T is bad or hasnt had an insane rookie year. i dont understand why navi fans take offence when someone says zywoo was better rookie, its literally a fact, and no ones saying b1t is bad, quite the opposite if youre comparing b1t and zywoo, thats already insane for b1t even though he doesnt come out on top
2022-01-13 11:18
2 replies
S1mple is the best in history
2022-01-15 23:53
1 reply
not as a rookie lmao
2022-01-16 03:14
NAVI fans always delusional
2022-01-13 11:56
#244
2022-01-13 11:58
GROAT zywho!
2022-01-13 12:20
theard for dalbabebs
2022-01-13 12:50
only delusional russian kids thinks b1t is even close to zywoo
2022-01-13 12:52
2 replies
#404
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Ukraine zergggg
russians are hating on b1t actually.. cuz he is Ukrainian
2022-01-13 19:22
1 reply
lmao if you think it's a reason you should reading should turn off tv. By your logic s1mple also must be hated, but he is literally the most popular cs personality in Russia. Navi org, despite it being a Ukrainian org is popular in Russia. The only hate that I see is just people reactionists who are against navi because they are popular
2022-01-14 18:37
zywoo top1 2018 according to hltv stats. B1t can't even be the best in his team in his rookie year.
2022-01-13 13:40
2019 wasn't first year for zywoo, it was his second year in vitality so it's incorrect to call him best rookie
2022-01-13 13:53
#369
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Romania assdada
1 major >>>> 0 major
2022-01-13 14:29
1 reply
I agree, device goat with 4 majors and actual LAN grand slam >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> s1mple with post pandemic major where half the teams are disbanding and online slam
2022-01-15 04:28
I mean Zywoo didn't walk onto a team with literally one of the greatest Counter Strike players ever on it, so he might have had a little more freedom. b1t Also won like every major event besides Katowice in one year so. Stats wise Zywoo was obviously better but b1t is a good rookie nonetheless.
2022-01-13 15:41
#403
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Ukraine zergggg
b1t 1 major > zywho 0 major
2022-01-13 19:22
1 reply
b0t
2022-01-15 04:27
Best rookie of 2021, so stop it xd
2022-01-13 21:29
greatest first year ever in terms of achievements in tier 1. Zywoo even today already does not come close. Of course on an individual level he is better but I think when people call b1t the greatest rookie ever they are talking about achievements, just like the people calling device goat
2022-01-14 18:16
Score esports is a well know scammers and content stealers
2022-01-14 18:24
I would rather ask a different question. sh1ro will be most likely be placed higher in hltv ranking this year. Will somebody consider sh1ro a better rookie?
2022-01-14 18:26
Depends on what u consider more important for a rookie, it could be: -achievements or -stats If u think stats are more important, ZywOo is obviously better If u think achievements are more important, B1T is obviously better also, #261
2022-01-14 18:31
#427
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France Tornation
+1
2022-01-14 18:31
#432
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Sweden EntonXD
he achieved more in his team than zywoo did. individually its zywoo by far, but he didnt win a grand slam, major, have an era, win cologne... all that in his rookie year. he had a bunch of mvps and nr.1
2022-01-14 23:44
3 replies
Navi > Vitality Zywoo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b1t
2022-01-15 04:27
2 replies
#452
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Sweden EntonXD
basicallyye but he is 1/5th of navi
2022-01-15 04:52
1 reply
indeed mens
2022-01-15 04:52
#442
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Scotland Azaqa
Best rookie rifler for sure
2022-01-15 04:34
Navi is not better team. It is just every team is going restructuring while they are wininning playing almost dead teams
2022-01-15 06:02
1 reply
copium
2022-01-15 12:12
b1t rookie year > zywoo rookie year in terms of achievements zywoo rookie year > b1t rookie year in terms of skill
2022-01-15 15:07
Nobody called him the best rookie. He is the most succesful rookie so far.
2022-01-15 15:10
#481
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Finland C4shew
Most lucky rookie, Only doing good cause he got taught by some of the best people in the game.
2022-01-16 01:09
+1 Zywoo>B1t
2022-01-16 02:01
Zywoo joined Vitality in 2018 and played on high level tournaments that year
2022-01-16 02:29
#487
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Bosnia and Herzegovina hyrox1
Yea agree with you,and nobody talking about Gambit duo sh1ro and Ax1Le they're rookies as well in tier 1 scene.
2022-01-16 02:53
#495
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Europe rakyushi
cuz this guy survived the biggest pressure of all time, won every lan event in 2021 while every other one would shat his pants
2022-01-17 09:55
I agree but your reasoning is kinda wack I could say b1t in his 1st year in t1 - major, grand slam, epl, global finals, cologne zywoo in his 1st year in t1 - none of the above
2022-01-18 22:18
#504
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India Smauxx
Best Rookie of 2021. Now its ok?
2022-01-18 22:19
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