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United States RichardSchitt2 
Not keeping JKS while picking up Floppy Grim Junior and Fang…????? Bruh moment?
2022-01-14 02:31
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They're singing a 5 man squad. Maybe they just dont want to kick someone to add jks
2022-01-14 02:32
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#5
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United States cybonics
this
2022-01-14 02:35
They’re adding in Grim and Junior, they weren’t in until a few weeks ago
2022-01-14 02:49
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The team is already set, it looks like.
2022-01-14 03:24
#2
Nifty | 
Bahamas Jam18
source?
2022-01-14 02:32
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#24
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United States Goob
it’s been on hltv col rumored to pick up extra salt
2022-01-14 02:56
Jks overrated normal player
2022-01-14 02:32
21 replies
Top 20 for 2 years, problem in coL was blameF role clash
2022-01-14 02:50
4 replies
they don't treat him like someone who was top 20 2 times, they treat him like he were the savior of any team that joins
2022-01-14 03:11
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No one says that. He isn’t simple but he is one of the better players without a doubt
2022-01-14 03:15
+1 it was even worse when they signed coldzera and had three passive ass players sitting around with zero aggression whatsoever.
2022-01-14 04:14
1 reply
Oh my god somehow I completely forgot coldzera was on that team. What the fuck were they doing hahahaha
2022-01-14 15:57
#26
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United States Goob
that’s how most people look at cold lmao
2022-01-14 02:57
11 replies
cold and jks 2 overrated players
2022-01-14 03:08
7 replies
you didnt watch cs when jks were playing in 100t and renegades?
2022-01-14 03:55
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#117
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United States cmohr
its been a long time since jks was in 100t and renegades, he is getting older and I dont think he has the same motivation to play as he did pre-pandemic
2022-01-14 04:51
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youtube.com/watch?t=3313&v=3YaFd7R0EWk&f.. after his break, he will be back to dominate
2022-01-14 05:05
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#133
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Finland notits
goat hltv user with all the receipts, respect
2022-01-14 08:16
1 reply
men))
2022-01-14 08:38
Keep making excuses idiot
2022-01-14 08:24
He at that time was good, nowadays he has decayed. Never said he was bad
2022-01-14 05:13
i'd say we should only trashtalk cold after we see how 00nation goes all his excuses of role and language are gone now, and while in mibr, he was still EASILY top 10, so now is as good of a time as any to see if he was being serious or if all the roles and language stuff were just cheap excuses.
2022-01-14 03:39
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#119
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United States Goob
i’m not trash talking cold, he just isn’t nearly as good as he used to be, just like this guy was saying jks was, also cold hasn’t had an excuse since 2018
2022-01-14 05:03
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he didn't have an excuse in 2018, and for nearly half 2019, you're right. but DUDE, cold was freaking top 10 in 2018, with language barrier and the whole team slumping down. after half of 2019 (still with top 10 performance), he went to faze, to play a weird ass role in an unstable team, with language and culture barrier, then had to IGL in place of his best friend, who left even though he was the main reason why cold was in that team. when he went for complexity, he joined a team fated to be disbanded, and EVEN THEN blamef said good things about his work and how he tried his best to make it work. cold isn't top 1 anymore, but we all stand on the shoulders of giants, cold is a legend, and i (probably biased) believe, and hope he'll return to his MONSTER phase, and it makes me sad to see all those people destroying his name and legacy, as if he were a fucking nonamer.
2022-01-14 15:40
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jks | 
Australia Kree8
Cant judge jks based on coL... different roles, team consistently had issues, apparently poizon didnt care to study demos etc, towards the end he was doing fine, his support nades were best on team. You all say hes getting old n washed out....you sound like gossip magazines shhheshhh Hate to hate i guess ..
2022-01-14 05:16
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It's always the team's fault, it's always the problems with function collisions, the problem is never Jks... normal JKS fanboy
2022-01-14 05:51
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#132
jks | 
Australia Kree8
Rightio. So i was wrong about everything ey? I may be a fan but boiii you're the deluded one.
2022-01-14 08:11
#134
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Argentina Joedash
He's actually right, he had to be the bait of BlameF and went from his comfortable role to become basically a support together with Rush.
2022-01-14 08:21
not keeping jks while picking up super promising young players like grim floppy and fang? and a potentially rejuvenated junior after farming and getting confidence in BnB?
2022-01-14 02:35
31 replies
jks is better than anyone on this roster
2022-01-14 02:37
18 replies
big disagree remember that extra played at the same funspark event and did way better, fang got MVP and jks + coL were shitty
2022-01-14 02:37
16 replies
This has got to be the stupidest thing i have read on HLTV for awhile
2022-01-14 02:46
8 replies
this guy is something special jks 15th best player 2019 and 19th best player in 2020 NaH fAnG fLoPpY jUnIoR jT aNd GrIm ArE bEtTeR bEcAuSe Na Cs
2022-01-14 02:48
4 replies
mans being paid 40k a month to put up a .97 rating in coL more cost efficient and jks doesnt fit in this roster
2022-01-14 03:17
3 replies
Anyone can look shit when playing with a shitty team that cant keep the same roster for more than 3 tournaments
2022-01-14 03:19
1 reply
feb-june had the same roster with no roster problems and couldnt produce the results.
2022-01-14 03:31
Yeah I agree. It doesnt make sense to keep him. Start fresh and dont overpay the next guys
2022-01-14 04:46
+1 lmfaooo
2022-01-14 02:59
+1 Edit: Have an amazing day!
2022-01-14 03:32
+1
2022-01-14 03:55
jks was playing support on CoL in 2021. Playing basically the exact same role as Perfecto and still put up respectable numbers. jks better stats vs top 5 and top 20 than floppy despite floppy playing star roles and jks playing support
2022-01-14 02:55
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JKS WAS SUPPORT????????? FLOPPY STAR? bruh wtf u smoking floppy was like ur 2nd best c9 player and played pretty meh roles, better stats than jks jks was certainly not support, 3rd guy in on t sides should be one of the best, and he is known for CT anchor spots
2022-01-14 02:58
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2022-01-14 03:03
Floppy was lurker on ES that is generally considered one of the star roles. And jks played support on T side and anchor on CT side. He was one of the top in the world in support round %. He wasn't lurking, entry trading, or AWP. He literally was support, often being the bomb bitch
2022-01-14 03:01
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i meant c9
2022-01-14 03:01
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I was referring to floppy in ES. As one of the teams stars he put up .99 rating vs top 20. worse than jks who was playing support/anchor
2022-01-14 03:04
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that .99 rating was all on C9 btw, they didnt play top20 with floppy on the roster, aside from EPL conference they played in EU events b4 floppy came
2022-01-14 03:06
#10
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Latvia emzijs
NT, SINNERS DEAD TEAM
2022-01-14 02:38
None of these players are “super promising” anymore. Grim and Junior both failed in tier 1 (remember when Grim was shredding NA). Floppy was seen last as a prospect in 2019 and Fang is ok but nothing special Jks was a really good player in Renegades. He didnt work in complexity due to a role clash with blameF
2022-01-14 02:56
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failed at tier 1 ok dude :D furia had so many issues, that team didn't fit junior at all and wasn't given that much space grim certainly didnt fail, he got thrown the dogshit positions on every map and was expected to put up star numbers (which he can do in this team) floppy is still insane fang got an mvp in his first year at the tier 1.5 scene, and is a super hard worker, will be a top player in the future also take into account they're signed by coL, will have access to facilities and all the partner team leagues like pro league, IEMs, BLAST, etc.
2022-01-14 02:57
7 replies
Furia with Drop / Hen1 worked very well. 0.94 as an awper is abysmal no matter what Grim - just read what stew says hltv.org/news/32843/stewie2k-im-going-to.. Insane at tier 3 usually doesn’t translate to tier 1 (look at your boys Junior and Grim) Fang won an MVP at a tier 2 / practice event that no one cared about All of these guys have potential but to say that any of them are close to JKS’s level is absurd. Good luck winning anything with a no experience IGL and 4 prospects.
2022-01-14 03:11
So Furia had so many issues meaning it's ok for Junior to have an excuse But when Complexity have MORE issues (BlameF, JKS, Coldzera role clash) , (Stand ins majority of the teams tenure) it isn't ok for JKS to have excuses? You're so fucking stupid dude
2022-01-14 03:12
4 replies
+1
2022-01-14 03:13
JKS = 40K A MONTH, BEEN IN TIER 1 FOR YEARS WASNT MAIN SUPPORT - RUSH junior = first time in tier 1, language barrier, arT role clash, jks is a superstar, was top20 for past 2 years, for him to be so shit while being paid 40k a month is outrageous compared to junior yes coL was a shitshow a lot of the time last year and at the start of the year but from feb - july they were stable and had 0 problems but didnt show any results junior didnt perform to the level he could've, yes of course but the case for jks is far more agregious my funspark example wasnt great, but these guys work better in this roster than jks would
2022-01-14 03:15
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RUSH was entry, JKS was support, Huge difference, Although both are not ideal roles to perform at the best ability Junior didn't have a role clash with anyone, The only issue in Furia was the language Yes JKS is a superstar, BUT HE WASN'T PLAYING STAR ROLES IN COMPLEXITY, That's what you have to fucking understand, It was a complete waste of time for him being wasted in Complexity not being used to the best of his abilities and the team having too many issues to count on 1 finger The entire 1 year JKS was on Complexity they only had 4-5 months without stand ins, That doesn't mean they didn't have issues, BlameF and JKS role clash was a massive one, BlameF's calling was another, Poizon and the rumors of him not paying attention in prac is another, Like you just have 0 idea of what you're talking about
2022-01-14 03:27
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+1 Edit: Have an amazing day!
2022-01-14 03:36
“Facilities”? You mean $5000 PCs in an office? Don’t see how those push a tier3 team to tier1. Every pro has good PCs already lol
2022-01-14 03:12
#77
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United States cybonics
You haven't watched a single tier two match in your life.
2022-01-14 03:38
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I’ve watched many NA games. Tier 3 matches tend not to translate. Look at Grim. He was the S1mple of NA, but he completely fell flat. There is such a big jump and you need to learn much even if you are the best. You can never really tell until they are in tier 1, and having every single player in your team as a potentially good player will not work out. This team has ZERO experience, it will not work
2022-01-14 03:44
+1, there is a big chance there will be 3 NA teams in the top 20 next year, looking good tbh
2022-01-14 05:22
#6
NAF | 
United States hondayzx
theyre allegedly signed a whole roster, so why keep 1 man and force him into the roster?
2022-01-14 02:35
JKS probably didn't want to play with the new Complexity, Could be why Complexity might be stubborn about his buyout
2022-01-14 02:35
they want young players with high drive to develop into a good team not a washed guy who hasn't done anything since renegades
2022-01-14 02:41
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2022-01-14 02:43
57 replies
same core, I kinda forgot that they were bought out lol
2022-01-14 02:44
56 replies
Yeah and on Complexity he wasn't playing his usual roles, He got put into bitch roles after 2 events of the team + Complexity had a stupid amount of stand ins and other issues, It isn't fair to judge him off 1 bad year with a dysfunctional team when he was extremely good for the previous 6 years on Vox / Renegades / 100T
2022-01-14 02:45
55 replies
he was extremely good because his whole team was being baited by him for kills The second he couldn't lurk he played like shit I don't think it's reasonable to expect him to be good again after he spent a year going 1.00 rating against tier 2-3 teams I just don't expect much improvement from a 26 year old with a 1.01 rating against top 50 opponents
2022-01-14 02:55
51 replies
But you expect Floppy to be good after quitting for Valorant then returning, lurking and putting up .99 rating vs top 20 as lurker???
2022-01-14 02:59
49 replies
let's compare the two hltv.org/stats/players/compare/12713/flo.. Floppy has better stats, is 4 years younger, and has a longer history+better chemistry with the players on this team.
2022-01-14 03:04
48 replies
There is no way you're comparing Floppy who is versing tier 6 NA players in premier vs JKS who is playing tier 1 EU in a dysfunctional team not playing his usual roles
2022-01-14 03:08
1 reply
when floppy was playing tier 1 EU in a dysfunctional team he was better than JKS was. for example let's compare when the two went head to head hltv.org/matches/2345398/complexity-vs-c..
2022-01-14 03:12
HAHAHAHAHAA YOU HAVE GOT TO BE BAITING DUDE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA NO FUCKING WAY YOU'RE BEING SERIOUS HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
2022-01-14 03:12
2 replies
I am 100% serious floppy is a better fit for the team than JKS
2022-01-14 03:13
1 reply
How so? You're not providing anything relevant to backup your claims, You're just making yourself look more and more like a total idiot doing shit comparisons to unrelated playing fields ''I think Vexite from ORDER is better than Niko from G2 because he has better stats'' hltv.org/stats/players/compare/3741/niko.. That's literally the same as what you're saying
2022-01-14 03:20
compare their top 20s and major performances, not floppys esea premieres lol
2022-01-14 03:14
42 replies
if you look at the line you can see when Floppy was on C9 and the entire time floppy was on C9 he was better than JKS was on complexity
2022-01-14 03:14
41 replies
Yea he played better roles, and even on C9 they played shitty tournaments bc the team was shitty
2022-01-14 03:19
32 replies
C9 literally played in the same tournaments as Complexity did in that time frame, and floppy outperformed him in every single one except for the IEM Katowice play-in also floppy didn't really play better roles, he was hard support for C9 as Mezii was lurker
2022-01-14 03:22
31 replies
Literally played 14 maps vs top 10 in 21
2022-01-14 03:23
30 replies
ok? still doesn't change the fact that floppy outperformed JKS in ESL Pro League Season 13, CS_Summit 7, Blast Premier Fall 2020 showdown, DreamHack Masters Winter 2020 Europe, and DreamHack Masters Spring 2021 Europe
2022-01-14 03:29
29 replies
jks was a support player on CoL. Played the same position as like Perfecto. Cant use rating, have to watch the games
2022-01-14 03:34
9 replies
FLOPPY WAS A SUPPORT PLAYER ON C9
2022-01-14 03:35
6 replies
Floppy 17.9% support round in 2020 jks 22.4% in 2021 Also even if we just go by rating, floppy may be a better support player than jks, but he has achieved not even close as much to jks as a lurker.
2022-01-14 03:43
5 replies
support round is not the best statistic imo also jks to floppy as lurkers is not a 1-1 comparison, jks didn't peak until he was much more experienced than floppy is right now a fair comparison for floppy vs jks would be floppy on old c9 to jks on vox eminor
2022-01-14 03:47
4 replies
I mean thats also not fair bc jks was practicing vs Aussie talent. As soon as RNG became NA, jks turned into a superstar
2022-01-14 03:48
3 replies
in 2018 jks was playing against NA and not exactly a superstar.
2022-01-14 03:54
2 replies
1.11 rating in his first year in NA (Back when NA was good) is pretty good. He was also playing out of position at the beginning of the year because they had NAF. Then he had 1.16 playing against top teams in 2019 then had like a 1.16 while on 100T in 2020. During this time he led 100T to Australias first major quarter and major semi
2022-01-14 04:05
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In his first year in NA he had a 1.04 rating against top 30 teams So at a similar point to his career as 2022 will be for floppy, it will be an interesting comparison between the two
2022-01-14 04:11
Wait for the excuse on #70
2022-01-14 03:35
1 reply
Floppy has evolved a lot as a player since then also in the last 2 Floppy literally 1 less kill on one and 4 more kills in another match, despite being on a significantly worse team
2022-01-14 03:37
18 replies
June of 2020
2022-01-14 03:35
17 replies
It's still relevant JKS wasted his time playing shit roles on Complexity in 2021 and Floppy wasted his time playing Valorant majority of 2021
2022-01-14 03:37
16 replies
when Floppy was playing shit roles on C9 he outperformed JKS's shit roles on complexity
2022-01-14 03:38
15 replies
Floppy was literally the star player on Cloud9, Got all the roles he wanted
2022-01-14 03:39
7 replies
yes but he also made space for oSee and Sonic JKS had literally everyone except jkaem playing hard support for him
2022-01-14 03:40
6 replies
You're so fucking stupid and have literally 0 idea on what you're talking about If anything Jkaem made the most space of JKS, Jkaem was hard entry and played bombsites with JKS, Jkaem was always the one being aggressive while JKS was passive and they worked really well together since they didn't have a clashing playstyle
2022-01-14 03:42
5 replies
exactly, JKS played well because he baited Jkaem and the rest of his teammates
2022-01-14 03:57
4 replies
"JKS had literally everyone except jkaem playing hard support for him" i think this just goes to show you have no clue what ur talking about, or you are baiting
2022-01-14 04:46
3 replies
name checks out keep defending your .77 rating 26 year old bot
2022-01-14 05:37
2 replies
i cant keep a straight face reading half ur comments. thanks for the laughs
2022-01-14 05:45
1 reply
You are welcome my friend))
2022-01-14 05:51
floppy on c9 had the same roles as jks on 100t, thats where the comparison is coming from surely if 5+ people are disagreeing with you and not 1 person is agreeing with your shit takes you would understand you're stupid and in the wrong
2022-01-14 03:41
6 replies
Impossible to win an argument vs a stupid person, They are too fucking stupid to realize they are in the wrong
2022-01-14 03:43
floppy on C9 did not have the same roles as JKS on 100T on the international C9 which I'm comparing JKS to, Floppy was playing support, and mezii was lurking Floppy on EU c9 had the same roles as complexity on c9 surely if the owners of the org complexity are disagreeing with you, you would understand you're stupid and in the wrong
2022-01-14 03:43
4 replies
??? floppy was lurking on both c9s wtf are you on about the reality probably is jks not wanting to play with these tier 2 north american shitters
2022-01-14 03:47
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floppy was not lurking on both C9s, mezii was the lurk on c9 also jks is probably going to rot in tier 3-4 europe with the rest of his auzzie buddies
2022-01-14 03:47
2 replies
nah you're baiting i refuse to believe someone can be as stupid as you you bring a bad reputation to america
2022-01-14 03:50
1 reply
I am not baiting and I am not stupid you bring a bad reputation to oskar fans
2022-01-14 03:53
Why don't you use your brain and compare the 2 players when JKS was on Renegades / 100T and actually played his normal roles?
2022-01-14 03:21
7 replies
because I don't care about how someone played 2 years ago when every single player on the team was setting him up for exit kills
2022-01-14 03:24
6 replies
LMFAO, You're acting like he is BlameF, He played under a structured system setup by AZR and Kassad, He didn't bait any more than a normal star player / lurker, He was extremely impactful and was the reason Renegades / 100T did so well considering the lack of firepower the team had against other top 5-10 teams Just a reminder hltv.org/news/28777/top-20-players-of-20.. 1.19 rating in big events in 2019 LAN He has played 1 LAN event since that stat was published
2022-01-14 03:31
5 replies
ok with that logic big teams should be kicking their awper's for Woxic, and their riflers for sergej a lot has changed since 2019, and you need to accept that
2022-01-14 03:42
2 replies
Woxic literally on the best Turksish team possible Still hype around Sergej even despite him trying to be an AWPer for whatever reason
2022-01-14 03:48
1 reply
woxic .94 rating against top 20, currently padding stats against nonamers sergej overhyped by finn copium
2022-01-14 03:52
it still blows my mind that people think he "farmed AU teams" in 2019 lmfao
2022-01-14 04:48
1 reply
And the classic ''He made it to tier 1 and struggled'' when 100T was tier 1 and was better than Complexity
2022-01-14 04:52
... What? He didn't bait any more than a normal star player, His stats in 2019 / 2020 are super similar to Ropz's in the same years It's the same as putting Ropz on G2 for JaCkz and making Ropz entry, Ropz isn't going to perform well, That doesn't mean he is washed for fuck sakes And JKS was literally the best player on Complexity since k0nfig left WHILE he was being put in shit roles being baited by BlameF and Coldzera hltv.org/stats/lineup/players?lineup=921.. But i guess this argument is useless, Impossible to win an argument over a stupid person who doesn't understand what they are talking about
2022-01-14 03:01
I'm convinced nobody on HLTV watches CS. They just run with narratives. Literally playing similar roles to Perfecto and Interz but gets 0 credit. Apparently teams fall for the narratives too, seeing EG sign Auti and RUSH over jks and oBo lmao
2022-01-14 02:58
2 replies
its a shame coL probs have Jks locked up in a huge buyout. I hope Jason Lake lets him go soon
2022-01-14 04:49
1 reply
I feel like if CoL was fucking him SPUNJ would be flaming them on twitter lol. Also the sad reality is that jks, at his best, is a “star” roles player so you kinda need to build a roster for him instead of just slotting him in. He would have been great to take Ethan’s old roles but they chose Auti.
2022-01-14 05:48
they gave up on cs
2022-01-14 02:46
they wanna sign young players and players based on NA
2022-01-14 03:12
Maybe he wants too big salary and his performance in the team hasnt been anything to write news about(even with all the troubles around the team) They probably want to min max a young team for cheap on the chance they might become something in the future.They spent tons on the previous team and got nothing out of it,they are in no mood to break the bank after that it seems
2022-01-14 03:12
JKS has been grinding basically non stop for a long time, could just be taking a break?
2022-01-14 03:22
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#82
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United States cybonics
I just wanna see this man land on a team with AZR and BnTeT.
2022-01-14 03:40
5 replies
I feel like this will likely happen if there is no signings by the end of jan
2022-01-14 03:49
4 replies
Need Jkaem too :(
2022-01-14 03:51
3 replies
jkaem ditching apeks again wouldn't go down well hahahha
2022-01-14 03:53
2 replies
This time he slowly brings them into Apeks 1 at a time
2022-01-14 04:08
1 reply
I could honestly see this happening lol
2022-01-14 04:16
You dont know the full details behind who or why teams pick up or dont pick up players
2022-01-14 04:27
Grim will be better than jks in a year anyway
2022-01-14 04:33
1 reply
funny
2022-01-14 04:49
maybe they dont want to play with a privileged toxic australian
2022-01-14 05:04
FLoppy fang juinor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jks
2022-01-14 05:16
jks fanboys vs SANJI fanboys who wins???
2022-01-14 05:12
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