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Perfecto | 
France pickpick 
1. s1mple 2. sh1ro/zyWoo 3. zyWoo/sh1ro 4. niko 5. electronic 6. b1t 7. ax1le 8. hobbit 9. yekindar Why b1t above ax1le and hobbit? Higher stats across 2021 on big events, stats improve when changing filter from all opponents to top 20. Check HLTV.
2022-01-14 15:21
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#1
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Russia brillianton
if b1t is above hobbit or ax1le i will delete all my accounts and never return to hltv
2022-01-14 15:22
28 replies
you could be the next professoroflogic if you not careful
2022-01-14 15:23
2 replies
What did he do ?
2022-01-14 19:56
1 reply
ok, i will make a screenshot and post it under every your comment if it happens
2022-01-14 15:28
15 replies
i wont make another comment if that happens
2022-01-14 15:25
10 replies
just to make sure of that :D also you admitted you have multiple hltv accounts xd
2022-01-14 15:28
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#20
b1t | 
Russia dteakh
it's literally impossible
2022-01-14 16:02
8 replies
zywoo #1 in 2020 was impossible too though
2022-01-14 16:04
7 replies
wat? lol
2022-01-14 16:06
6 replies
its just common opinion. more than 50% of users think s1mple was robbed.
2022-01-14 16:08
5 replies
> more than 50% of users yeah no
2022-01-14 16:25
4 replies
not gonna make a dispute with you
2022-01-14 16:29
3 replies
#81
b1t | 
Russia dteakh
nice stats bro I guess you did a huge dataset and analyzed it properly
2022-01-15 16:05
bruh only selusional s1mple fans thought he was goona be top 1 on 2020
2022-01-15 16:13
1 reply
Agree, only selusional
2022-01-15 17:03
Delete
2022-01-14 20:01
3 replies
What should i delete?
2022-01-14 22:06
2 replies
A screenshot dummy
2022-01-15 05:56
1 reply
Dummy? Wtf its just your sentence makes 0 logic xd
2022-01-15 10:03
#38
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Chile jotler
noted
2022-01-14 17:37
Flair doesn’t check out
2022-01-14 17:39
god damn now i want b1t above hobbit and ax1le
2022-01-14 17:42
2 replies
wow...
2022-01-14 17:52
#47
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Romania alexinio05
same lul
2022-01-14 18:16
+1
2022-01-14 17:43
Yeah, me too
2022-01-14 19:51
Are we going to witness the fall of savage? Not yet XD
2022-01-14 20:00
you were right my friendo
2022-01-14 21:44
Also more maps played (46 vs 43) and better team achievements, but sadly no MVP
2022-01-14 15:22
6 replies
mvp's mean a lot
2022-01-14 15:23
5 replies
true
2022-01-14 15:23
4 replies
So i think hobbit and ax1le will be above b1t
2022-01-14 15:24
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yeah that was also my thought before I checked stats then I forgot too much about the MVPs - #9 though idk by the eye test I think b1t is better and his role in the team was that of the missing piece. So imho it's possible he gets 6th.
2022-01-14 15:26
B1t was the third or fourth highest rated player at the major. He will have an EVP from the major and many other elite lan tournaments which will boost his placement a lot. Imo thats what Hltv will base it on
2022-01-14 15:26
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also true, he even was the top 1 player at the major before the playoffs, if i remember correctly
2022-01-14 15:27
#3
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Algeria he_car
imo: 1- s1mple 2- ZywOo 3- sh1ro 4- NiKo 5- Ax1le/hobbit 6- Ax1le/hobbit 7- electronic 8- yekindar 9- b1t
2022-01-14 15:22
4 replies
i think elec will be higher than Ax1le but lower than hobbit
2022-01-14 17:40
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#48
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Russia Pneuma
Ax1le's and hobbit's stats, team achievements and mvp/evps were identical enough to have as minimal margin between them as possible. How can you put someone between them?Most probably electronic will be either 7th or 5th
2022-01-14 18:32
1 reply
+1
2022-01-14 19:51
+1, idk why ppl think ax1le will be higher than hobbit
2022-01-15 05:48
if b1t is above 8th it doesnt make any sense
2022-01-14 15:23
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#27
b1t | 
Ukraine devitt
it does make a lot of sense b1t second part of the year>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ax1le first part of the year is quite irrelevant since it was all in online era
2022-01-14 16:12
4 replies
0/8
2022-01-14 16:22
#29
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Finland C4shew
bit is ass, only hs % good and playing in a top team shouldn't make you in even top 10
2022-01-14 16:24
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#34
b1t | 
Ukraine devitt
nto as ass as g2 at least LOL
2022-01-14 16:30
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#80
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Finland C4shew
Ok, but saying B1t deserves top 8, is like saying jackz deserves top 20, because he is in a tier 1 team
2022-01-15 15:37
the fact stat padding awp saving jame got 10th doesnt make sense
2022-01-14 16:30
#6
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Ukraine Slavv_Boss
I hope this is correct, but I still strongly believe that hobbit and axile will be above bit cuz of mvps
2022-01-14 15:23
To be honest before checking stats I had b1t at 8th Then I forgot about MVPs... So maybe b1t 8th and hobbit/ax1le are 6th and 7th.
2022-01-14 15:24
#17
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
"Why b1t above ax1le and hobbit? Higher stats across 2021 on big events, stats improve when changing filter from all opponents to top 20." Yet B1T played for half of 2021 and has no MVP awards alike Ax1Le and Hobbit. The players left available have to be correct, though - I can't imagine anybody else being in the Top 20 now unless Frozen makes a surprise appearance and B1T isn't even in the Top 20 from playing half of it - That would be one hell of a curveball by HLTV to throw out. EDIT: Forgot a word.
2022-01-14 15:29
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#19
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Sweden quacke
Bit of a crime frozen wasn't given a spot but EliGE did get one. I understand the weighting of this list is a very difficult matter, but I feel like the human element is way too apparent in this year's list. They say pure numbers, consistency, awards and such matter, yet frozen is better than a lot of the already listed players in all those metrics and didn't make the list. So clearly there's some sort of eye-test that makes the final call on who makes it or not. Which I don't have a problem with, I just have a problem with the inconsistencies of what is important in the list. Either make it almost-exclusively based on numbers and make it consistent, at the risk of some players being displaced according to the public, or admit that there's a big human element and that the list largely is based on the choices of the HLTV Staff themselves.
2022-01-14 16:01
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#37
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
I get what you mean, it's definitely peculiar the placings and listing but I don't make the list, Professeur does. I can imagine that he will receive quite a lot of PM's about this specifically.
2022-01-14 16:35
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#51
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Sweden quacke
Yeah, once the list finishes I'll ask about these factors specifically.
2022-01-14 19:44
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#54
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
He does respond in PM's, check out user "SWARN151's" profile for that specifically. :) I think what did it for Frozen was starting off late and the MVP that he did win wasn't as highly valued as others... Firstly because it was an online event and secondly, it was an A-Tier Tournament in comparison to big events/LAN events despite being highlighted as a Minor Championship by Liquipedia. Otherwise, I agree with you - I think Frozen should've definitely got a placing this year, not so much over ropz but at least EliGe.
2022-01-14 19:48
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#58
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Sweden quacke
Yeah, I don't necessarily have a problem with how they judge their placings, that's very subjective and I'm bound to disagree with Prof and the others. My main problem is really the inconsistency, read #55 for further explanation into that. KSCERATO is placed ahead of ropz because of one factor, but frozen is not on the list at all despite being better in the same factors.
2022-01-14 19:51
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#60
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Yeah, fair enough. Like you stated, I'm guessing some human element factor also goes into the list and that's the issue with branching out the list after the Top 10; as anything after that, the statistics start to be extremely similar and at that point, it could be anybody's game, the statistics only paint so much a picture...
2022-01-14 19:54
#49
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Russia Pneuma
Frozen was definitely good this year but to really prove that you have to have played lots of maps against top opposition in the most important and relevant matches. Frozen on par ropz had only 2 big playoff maps and about 20 maps at Big Events which is too few to build planty enough sample size to accurately judge were they really successful or just fluked their big matches and got their other stats inflated at group stages, showdowns, against lower opposition etc.
2022-01-14 18:42
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#55
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Sweden quacke
hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01.. ^This is the stats sheet that counts towards the Top 20. As you can see frozen has actually played more maps in these events than KSCERATO, for example. Also, if ropz was able to make the list despite having the exact same sample size as frozen, why couldn't frozen? Basically this is my issue: - KSCERATO is ahead of ropz, and the only factor that he has which is actually better than ropz is that he has 2 EVPs at silver events and ropz has only 1 EVP at a bronze event. - ropz however is better in every other factor - overall rating, impact, consistency, event wins etc. etc. Why isn't ropz ahead of KSCERATO? Well then you might say that KSCERATO had more and better EVPs. Fine, I'll accept that. But then why isn't frozen ahead of them both? - frozen's stats are virtually the same as both KSCERATO as ropz, with a very small difference - frozen also has an MVP and 1 confirmed EVP, with likely another EVP in one of the events who's EVPs haven't been revealed yet. - frozen outperformed both of them at the Major, even if his team got a worse placing. Again - I don't necessarily think that frozen should be ahead of ropz and KSCERATO. However, the reasoning behind why KSCERATO is higher than ropz is not consistent with the reasoning as to why ropz is higher than frozen. Therefore, there is a clear human element behind this list. If you want any further evidence of that - EliGE is worse than quite literally everyone on this list, in every factor. Why was he included in the first place, and why wasn't he the 20th player even if he was?
2022-01-14 19:49
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#66
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Russia Pneuma
The link you proposed shows amount of maps played at relevant/notable events, not Big events. At Big Events, as I remember, they both played about 20 maps which is a bit lower lower than KSCERATO showed (23). And still they both have only 2 big playoff maps which is too few to judge. Moreover ropz and frozen had only 1.04 and 1.03 rating respectively on that maps showing pretty mediocre play at Big Events. If only they shined on this map showing at least 1.07 rating, despite such a small number of them, than ropz would be higher and frozen would make the top 20
2022-01-14 20:03
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#67
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Sweden quacke
"Big events" is only the last 5 LANs of the year. And, KSCERATO played only 14 LAN maps in the events that count towards the Top 20, while ropz/frozen played 37. Sure, their performances weren't that great, but they played more, and ropz performed better than KSCERATO. hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01.. LAN ratings. hltv.org/stats/leaderboards/impr/impact-.. LAN impact. Especially in this category you can see ropz is way high. The sample size on LAN for KSCERATO is tiny, and bigger for ropz. Yet he's behind.
2022-01-14 21:33
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#69
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Russia Pneuma
The thing you are talking about called "elite events" and they include not only Big LANs but the IEM Kato too. (sorry for confusing elite and big events at first) At Elite Events ropz played only 20 maps when KSCERATO played 23 maps. The stuff called "Big Events" includes all Elite Events + EPLs, DHM, IEM Summer + All main stages of online Blasts
2022-01-14 21:44
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#71
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Sweden quacke
Fair point. Still, I feel like everything they do is inconsistent. Some players get a big boost because of one stat, but then another player with the same high stat is placed lower for no apparent reason. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with how they've ordered the players, I'm disagreeing with their reasoning. Either just come out and say that it's an eye-test backed up by numbers, or stick to the numbers so it makes sense, even if it means there will be some undeserving places. Because at this point it feels like they're just saying things with no motivation to back things up.
2022-01-14 21:46
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#72
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Russia Pneuma
I belive that this is necessary measure to weirdly mix "stats giants" like KSCERATO, BlameF, rozp which have low sample size behind this stats with "achievement giants" like stavn, b1t, huNter cos it's really hard to figure out what exactly does more accurately display how stellar their play was. I don't feel that an eye test takes its place here but rather some formula that punishes you for not playing that much on big stage and encourages for doing so
2022-01-14 21:59
hobbit needs to be above axile and bit imo.
2022-01-14 15:29
nah no way b1t is over ax1le and hobbit
2022-01-14 16:05
2 replies
ikr recency bias everywhere.
2022-01-14 16:07
1 reply
yea, even though he was better on lan, but still that's only 4 events, anyways top 7-8 for him is very good placing
2022-01-14 16:24
#26
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Latvia YungPan666
2022-01-14 16:09
Yekindar is 8th ,JAME said on stream
2022-01-14 16:26
1 reply
deserved
2022-01-14 17:42
s1 Zy sh1ro (undeserved but hltv washed up) niko elec hobbit/ax ax/hobbit yek b1t
2022-01-14 16:31
if s1mple is above ZywOo i will delete all my accounts and never return to hltv
2022-01-14 17:47
2 replies
#45
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Russia P0vTr
+1111111111111111111111111111111111111111, s0mple is 21th
2022-01-14 17:49
finally bye bye
2022-01-15 17:08
ax1le will be above b1t for sure, b1t vs hobbit is pretty close
2022-01-14 18:42
dont fool yourself 1. sh1ro 2. s1mple 3. Ax1le 4. Hobbit 5. Zywoo 6. NiKo 7. electronic 8. b1t 9. yekindar (should have been 8. yekindar 9. b1t tho, but hltv is biased)
2022-01-14 19:46
2 replies
my friend, please notice that simple has 8 mvps in 2021
2022-01-14 19:48
1 reply
s1mple doesnt have a teammate to steal mvps from him.
2022-01-14 19:50
2. sh1ro/zyWoo there is no shro/zywoo
2022-01-14 19:55
why zyWoo? man 1 year in cs?
2022-01-14 19:57
perfecto made a solid 2021... he should be in the list as well
2022-01-14 21:39
1 reply
no, its individual ranking...
2022-01-15 16:08
no chance for niko ? are you sure ?
2022-01-14 22:03
just wrong....
2022-01-14 22:03
1 reply
your head is to close to your arse
2022-01-15 17:04
#87
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India Smauxx
b1t already 9
2022-01-15 17:10
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