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Electronic vs Ax1le vs Hobbit (2021 HLTV Top20)
dupreeh | 
Denmark Erudite_Dane 
These 3 are confirmed for 5th, 6th, and 7th. But what would the order be? Let's try to ascertain the same, to some extent. Stats: --------------------------------------------------------------- 1) Overall stats - These stats refer to the stats across all the MVP-based events of the year, in addition to certain big qualifier events as well (example - Major Challengers' stage, Katowice/Cologne Play-ins, BLAST Season Groups, etc). Here, (Ax1le > Hobbit > Electronic): hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01.. 2) Big events - These refer to all the S-Tier events of the year, including both LANs and Online. These are the Tier-1 MVP-based events. Big events (Ax1le > Hobbit > Electronic): hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01.. 3) Elite events - Confirmed through HLTV articles - these include all the 5 big LANs + IEM Katowice. Elite events (Electronic > Ax1le > Hobbit): hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01.. 4) Big Events' Playoffs Ratings - There's no way to check that on the website. However, a couple of credible HLTV users tried to do it by themselves. Linking the same here. Playoffs Ratings (Hobbit > Electronic > Ax1le): hltv.org/forums/threads/2563612/big-even.. MVPs/EVPs: ------------------------------------------------------------------- HLTV prioritizes various MVPs and EVPs. Major MVP > Golden MVP > Silver MVP > Bronze MVPs Major EVP > Golden EVP > Silver EVP > Bronze EVPs Note: Some big events' EVPs will hold more weight than MVPs of smaller events. With the above context: 1) Ax1le 2 MVPs (ESL Pro League - 13 and IEM Summer) > Hobbit 2 MVPs (BLAST Spring Finals and CIS RMR) > Electronic 0 MVPs. 2) All 3 will have tons of EVPs though, since they all made playoffs of every event and had good stats. That being said, Electronic will have *at least* 8 EVPs, most likely 10+ EVPs, including all the biggest ones. As we've seen with previous years' rankings, "near-MVP" level performances will be valued more. So what would be your estimate, given this info? Obviously, there's more things to consider as well.
2022-01-15 11:41
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Ukraine McSwell
Electronic significantly better than both, which comes seen on LAN matches, but he frequently drops in online environment, meanwhile Gambit players are great online.
2022-01-15 11:44
46 replies
The first 2 links in the post suggest that Ax1le and Hobbit have both better overall stats as well as big events stats, in addition to more MVPs. Even if Electronic played better at the 4 LANs Navi attended, is that enough to trump Ax1le and Hobbit's overall performance?
2022-01-15 11:47
39 replies
Yes actually. B1T made top9 with one of the lowest overall ratings, just because he was amazing on LAN and won a lot of events
2022-01-15 11:50
17 replies
If we talk about overall Rating2.0 in overall stats, big events, and stuff, b1t couldn't get above Yekindar who is only 0.04 above b1t in overall numbers, and b1t is much higher than Yekindar in elite events and equal in playoffs, with more EVPs. Overall and big events stats difference between Electronic and ax1le/hobbit is also 0.04. And both Ax1le/hobbit have 2 MVPs each, which Yekindar doesn't even have and still is above b1t.
2022-01-15 11:59
16 replies
The main factor was most likely just yekindar's insane impact rating
2022-01-15 12:35
15 replies
To be honest, Yekindar has better stats in literally every category, compared to b1t. The only exception is apparently elite events ratings. And ofc EVP difference. But yeah, Yekindar is the 3rd most impactful player after s1mple and ZywOo, which is insane if you think about it, honestly....
2022-01-15 13:21
14 replies
+1 Yeah. VP is Basically the dynamic between Jame and Yekindar. Absolutely amazing what Yekindar is able to consistently pull off.
2022-01-15 15:46
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2022-01-15 19:31
+1
2022-01-15 20:07
b1t was definitely better on LAN! You missed it))) And b1t played much more often with stronger teams! YEKINDAR LAN rating 2.0 - 1.11 vs Top5 - 1.02 (12maps) vs Top10 - 1.07 (22maps) b1t LAN rating 2.0 - 1.21 vs Top5 - 1.21 (26maps) vs Top10 - 1.20 (36maps) I hope that next year b1t will prove that he is better than YEKINDAR! As s1mple proved this year that he is better than zywoo!
2022-01-15 19:28
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He said "with the exception of elite events". Elite events include 5 LANs + IEM Katowice. So yeah, he didn't miss the most obvious part about why b1t is so high xD In all the other filters and categories, Yekindar leads.
2022-01-15 19:32
7 replies
The only exception is the most important tournaments of 2021))
2022-01-15 19:33
6 replies
Yes, which account for 25%-30% of his total maps. Because Yekindar did much better on the Remaining 70%-75% part and better overall, I guess Yekindar deserves it. A similar reasoning might be used for Electronic's stats as well.
2022-01-15 19:35
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b1t: Big Events - 108 maps LAN - 49 maps 45%! But you, like HLTV, take into account tier 1.5 - tier 2 tournaments))) Your logic is clear))) Next year, b1t will undoubtedly prove that he is better!
2022-01-15 19:44
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For b1t, it is a high percentage because he was a 6th man till late-April 2021. Playing only 3/4 of the year and still making Top9 is commendable. As for Electronic, he has 198 maps in total and 49 are LAN. That is 50 LAN out of 200 total = nearly 25%
2022-01-15 19:51
3 replies
electronic in Big Events - 134 maps 37%! But you, like HLTV, take into account tier 1.5 - tier 2 tournaments))) Your logic is clear)))
2022-01-15 19:58
2 replies
I was obviously talking about LAN maps/total maps, and not LAN maps/big event maps lol. But all right.
2022-01-15 19:59
1 reply
Enjoy statistics in sh`t tournaments against sh`t teams! And I will enjoy the best players at the best tournaments! ;) Good luck in 2022!)))
2022-01-15 20:05
We all know that Navi has 3 players in Top5 on LANs :D But there's only a certain extent upto which LANs can give extra boost. I think Top9 is well-deserved though. Barely played 9 months, and accomplished so much. Next year, he can go higher, if he can continue to replicate his performance.
2022-01-15 20:06
1 reply
+1 True.
2022-01-16 19:46
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Ukraine McSwell
I don't know (c) My post was about Online: ax1le > Hobbit > eletronic, LAN: electronic > Hobbit > ax1le. If it comes to hltv placement for total year, I would probably go for Hobbit > electronic > ax1le (if not count team achievements).
2022-01-15 11:54
20 replies
I see, yeah. But for HLTV placements, wouldn't you say ax1le > hobbit > Electronic?
2022-01-15 12:00
18 replies
I think Ax1le's slow down on performance on LAN will really hurt him in the rankings. Seemed like he'll miss out on some EVPs from it, meanwhile Hobbit and Elec will get EVPs from nearly every event they attended
2022-01-15 12:07
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This is actually surprising to see. From eye-test, I thought Hobbit had been the best Gambit player on LANs, but it turns out Ax1le had higher LAN rating than Hobbit, though Hobbit did better in the playoffs. Hobbit is the most consistent one though, so yeah, he will have at least equal if not more EVPs than Ax1le, as I mentioned in #11.
2022-01-15 12:18
5 replies
Wait I didn't even realize from the post, Ax1le had a better LAN rating? That's crazy, must've been massive performances in group stage games I missed out on
2022-01-15 12:39
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This filter includes only the big LANs of 2021, where Ax1le has 1.14 while Hobbit has 1.10: hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01..
2022-01-15 12:44
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I think that includes other events, no? If you put on just the LAN filter, it changes the outcome (hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01..) Edit; I think it's because Ax1le played a small event on LAN that is counted in overall stats, with a different team, where he didn't perform well. But it was for fun, so shouldn't be counted
2022-01-15 12:55
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For Gambit's case, "big events" filter includes the 4 big LANs they participated in: Blast World Final 2021, PGL Major, IEM Cologne, and IEM Winter. This filter doesn't include V4-type LANs. And Gambit didn't attend BLAST Fall Finals. hltv.org/stats/players/events/16555/ax1l.. hltv.org/stats/players/events/8528/hobbi..
2022-01-15 12:56
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Got it thank you!
2022-01-15 12:59
That's also true. Round to round consistency (KAST) as well as Map to Map consistency are important factors. I get the feeling too that Ax1le wouldn't be Top5 even if he has the stats for it. Really interesting.
2022-01-15 12:25
7 replies
I feel that Hobbit's consistency is somewhat overrated, in the sense that I am doubtful whether it trumps Ax1le's lead in almost every category of stats and superior MVPs. It might though, in conjunction with his EVPs. Interesting indeed xD
2022-01-15 15:56
6 replies
I haven't analysed the stats deep enough to actually comment like an SME here xD. So, it's really up in the air for me. Do tell me in case you manage to finalize something :D
2022-01-15 20:08
5 replies
Sure lol.
2022-01-15 20:18
1 reply
#141 - u2!
2022-01-16 08:16
I'm offering a bet! Next year, before the announcement of the Top 20, we will publish our lists...so let's see who understands better and will really be closer to the results!
2022-01-16 08:17
2 replies
I'm not really that much invested into Top20 rankings after 2020, but I would definitely like to do this. But I can't do the entire Top20 lol. We can do a Top10 for sure.
2022-01-16 13:31
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Check my Top20 list here among the first comments: hltv.org/news/33039/top-20-players-of-20.. I didn't bother much, but nevertheless I was close enough)) It would be interesting for me to compete with you next year)) At the end of 2022... if you are interested, I will write to you))
2022-01-16 13:39
#36
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Ukraine McSwell
No, my logic is Hobbit first because he's good on both LAN and online (balanced player), then clear LANner electronic, and 3rd Ax1le for mostly good online performance. Even if Ax1le has better LAN stats than Hobbit, I still think Hobbit is more key/important/consistent/playoff level player on LANs subjectively judging by gambit's LAN matches I've seen.
2022-01-15 12:10
2 replies
+1 #15
2022-01-15 12:15
Whilst true, many of these factors are intangible and kinda subjective as well. Considering that Electronic had 50 LAN maps and 150 Online maps, it's difficult to put a heavy weight on only LANs. So, it's gonna be tricky.
2022-01-15 12:26
+1
2022-01-16 00:06
TLDR of the OP: 1) Overall: Ax1le > Hobbit > Electronic 2) Big Events: Ax1le > Hobbit > Electronic 3) All MVP-based events: Ax1le > Hobbit > Electronic 4) Elite Events: Electronic > Ax1le > Hobbit 5) Big Playoffs: Hobbit > Electronic > Ax1le 6) MVPs: Ax1le > Hobbit > Electronic 7) EVPs: Electronic > Hobbit >= Ax1le
2022-01-15 11:52
5 replies
Good Work, man! Looks like you really took on my torch from last year xD
2022-01-15 12:27
4 replies
Not at all brór lol ;) You had many more proofs, reasonings, actual analytics, and confirmations from actual HLTV admins. I just made a compilation of some stats lmao. But yeah, you were one user whose threads I was inspired by. There are many such users nowadays. We have BayaGoodAdam, theFinalMaelStrom, and more xD
2022-01-15 12:30
3 replies
Well yeah, always love to interact with all "stats-nerds" xD All right, mate. Have a nice day!
2022-01-15 12:31
2 replies
Wrong reply :D
2022-01-15 12:33
1 reply
Lol, had a long day, I guess xD Anyways, Good Night! See you around <3
2022-01-15 12:35
This is actually a tough decision. What I think might happen - Ax1le (5th), Hobbit (6th), Electronic (7th). Though that's not what I want to see xD
2022-01-15 11:44
6 replies
TBH hobbit is the only Gambit player that is putting up the performance he did before LAN, So I think Hobb1t (5th), Electronic (6th) and Axile (7th) is more likely to happen
2022-01-15 12:09
5 replies
This would be well-deserved as well. Hobbit would become officially the oldest ever Top5 player in CSGO history. And considering that he had practically disappeared from Tier-1 CSGO, it is just miraculous! Motivation beats age, as they say.
2022-01-15 12:14
3 replies
f0rest is the oldest Top20 player at 28, right? Dupreeh can break the record this year, I guess xD. Jokes aside, Hobbit had a miracle run tbh. Having dropped off from the scene and now the most consistent player on Gambit, across LAN and online.
2022-01-15 20:16
2 replies
Yeah, I think you're right about f0rest, and hopefully right about dupreeh as well! Hobbit indeed had a great year. I'd be quite okay with him being 5th.
2022-01-15 20:18
1 reply
+1 Yeah. That would be cool indeed.
2022-01-16 04:39
+1
2022-01-16 00:07
Nice!!! If I were to make a list, I would like to put Electronic at 5th, Ax1le at 6th, and Hobbit at 7th.
2022-01-15 11:45
8 replies
same its hobbit next
2022-01-15 11:49
2 replies
Yekindar then Hobbit
2022-01-15 12:07
1 reply
yeah thats what i meant
2022-01-15 13:53
I'd personally like to put Electronic (5th), Hobbit (6th), and Ax1le (7th), cuz Hobbit felt like a more well-rounded and consistent player across the year. But I really doubt Electronic is making 5th....
2022-01-15 11:49
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#18
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Russia Pneuma
I was afraid that someone would upload such an analysis thread :) my fear is justified now
2022-01-15 11:56
3 replies
xD My gut feeling says Electronic will be 5th, but my brain asks how can he be, if the other 2 have better overall stats as well as more MVPs, etc.....It is tough indeed.
2022-01-15 12:03
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#30
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Russia Pneuma
I hope this info will not bring any enlightening to anyone about 5-7th placements as it seems to be still a lot of variations in opinions xd
2022-01-15 12:08
1 reply
Sure xD
2022-01-15 12:45
#5
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Russia ToughGuy
He still could be below yeki for some reason...
2022-01-15 11:48
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#34
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Belgium Golllum
For what reason? Can you elaborate on that?
2022-01-15 12:09
1 reply
#88
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Germany Rxpev
for no reason
2022-01-15 18:34
#6
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Ukraine xxlsashalxx
7-Electronic 6-Hobbit 5-Axile
2022-01-15 11:48
3 replies
My initial prediction was this. But it still doesn't feel right, honestly...
2022-01-15 13:35
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#87
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Germany Rxpev
0% chance electronic is lower then both
2022-01-15 18:33
1 reply
If you read #11, raw numbers suggest this. But we know that Elite events ratings matter a lot, and Electronic could edge oht cuz of that + big EVPs. I don't think he would actually be 7th, but I also have a hard time seeing Hobbit/Ax1le at 7th. There's the dilemma.
2022-01-15 18:38
stats favour ax1le slightly, but if youre a gambit fan you can see that hobbit is more important for the team and when things get rough, hes the one that pulls them through. hes also the reason this team is as successful as they are with his experience and calmess. i want to see hobbit in the top5 just because it would be an amazing story for such an "old" player edit: electronic wont be 5th
2022-01-15 11:50
3 replies
Hobbit has low-key been the most consistent player on Gambit, which isn't surprising considering Hobbit's experience and the changing CS environment over the year. I think it's very hard to predict.
2022-01-15 11:55
1 reply
Bump
2022-01-15 21:01
Ax1Le's drop in performance was very noticeable in second half of the year. He did recover at the end but I think that will cost him 5th spot.
2022-01-15 12:06
#13
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxyownz
tldr but electronic 7, axile 6 and hobbit 5
2022-01-15 11:53
3 replies
#11 is TLDR xD
2022-01-15 11:55
2 replies
#29
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxyownz
nice. statwise axile 5 but ingame hobbit seems more impactful so it would still be my choice
2022-01-15 12:07
1 reply
Yeah, agreed #15
2022-01-15 12:09
wait what? what are u talking about? 3. Hobbit 4. Ax1le 5. Zywoo 6. Niko 7. electronic
2022-01-15 11:54
6 replies
Where is Nafany then? Top2?
2022-01-15 12:03
5 replies
unfortunately hltv didnt put him so they can put some EU/NA representation to the list. Nafany/Perfecto/mir all got robbed!
2022-01-15 12:07
4 replies
Jokes aside, I think both Nafany and Mir will be in Top30. I doubt Perfecto with stats like that though....
2022-01-15 12:08
3 replies
I never joke when it comes to top20
2022-01-15 12:08
2 replies
Sure, man xD. At least you aren't toxic while saying the things you say, so it's all good :D I think sh1ro had an amazing year as well, for a rookie. He gets hated a lot, because he got compared to s1mple/ZywOo/Niko which angered the respective fanbases. b1t never had to face that. But otherwise, all of Gambit is basically a bunch of rookies. And they've become straight 2nd best team of 2021. Nothing short of outstanding! All the best for 2022 <3
2022-01-15 12:11
1 reply
I agree with a lot of things you're saying. Obviously it sucks that sh1ro got all the pressure in Gambit. But I'm very proud of him that he will get top1 spot despite all of the pressure he's gone through! Thank you for your wishes <3
2022-01-15 12:15
electronic had 0 mvps bc s1mple always stole them lol electronic deserves to be numab faive but bc of stupid mvps he won't ig
2022-01-15 11:55
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Even during Prime Astralis Era, Electronic was 4th with 0 MVPs lol. The problem this time is not MVPs tbh, it is stats. There are players who are consistently Godlike on LAN as well as online (s1mple/ZywOo). There are players who are Godlike online but worse on LAN (Gambit, Heroic, Xantares, etc xD). And then we have players who are bad online but Godlike on LAN - Electronic is such a player. He sucks online (relatively). His stats are therefore an issue....
2022-01-15 12:07
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alright fine you win. i honestly dont put enough attention to the online stats bc lan stats are a much better indicator of whether a player is consistent or not imo (for example elige. in 2021 he had an awful year on lan, big events, and the major with a 1.02 rating (with little to no impact during rounds). but when it came to online he had like a 1.17 rating, and bc of that one rating it boosted his overall stats and it seemed like he had a good 2021 even though he didn't. hopefully he makes a comeback this year and he will get back his consistency).
2022-01-15 12:12
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xD Yeah, true. At the end, people remember the LAN moments. Online moments would gradually fade from relevancy. And yeah, all the players of that prime Liquid roster are individually amazing players in their roles, so I hope they all do well this year.
2022-01-15 12:21
1 reply
+1
2022-01-15 13:06
5. Ax1Le 6. Electronic 7. Hobbit
2022-01-15 11:59
1 reply
So far, I heard all 6 permutations for these 3 players! Thanks xD
2022-01-15 13:07
5. electronic 6. AxiLe 7. Hobbit
2022-01-15 12:11
2 replies
I would personally like to see 5 - Electronic, 6 - Hobbit, 7 - Ax1le. But I doubt Electronic would be 5th just cuz of his LAN performance. It is possible though.
2022-01-15 13:09
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I won't argue...just expressed my opinion)
2022-01-15 13:15
5. Hobbit 6. Ax1Le 7. Electronic
2022-01-15 12:12
3 replies
I think people might be overrating "consistency" a little tbh. Ax1le's stats and MVPs are better overall, though hobbit has better playoffs rating and probably more EVPs too. It's tough....
2022-01-15 13:19
2 replies
You might be right. Either way I think both Hobbit and Ax1Le will be higher than Electronic.
2022-01-15 13:47
1 reply
Even that is not certain, tbh. But logically yeah.
2022-01-15 15:04
I was optimistic for electronic but this thread was a reality check, top 7 is still good i guess((
2022-01-15 12:24
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It is still possible for Electronic to be Top5, if HLTV weighs the LANs heavily. The context does matter and Electronic's stats are from bigger tournaments, and against tougher opponents in general too. Also, EVPs from all the LANs will boost him. So, it's not a 100% settled debate honestly. The order can change definitely....
2022-01-15 12:52
Playoffs ratings is most valuable afaik, last year ZywOo trumped s1mple because of playoffs ratings. Good work tho
2022-01-15 12:26
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Yeah, last year was indeed an amazing race tbh. As the official article itself stated, "it was the closest race in CSGO history". s1mple had the edge in overall stats, in elite events, against Top5 and Top20 opponents, while ZywOo had edge against Top10 and higher playoffs ratings. And ofc the difference in MVPs. In the end, the more number of MVP-level performances and 1.29 Big events playoffs rating (compared to s1mple's 1.28) gave ZywOo the edge. Thanks :)
2022-01-15 12:52
actually I think it was the MVPs that trumped Zywoo. If s1mple had more MVP than zywoo then I think he would have been top 1
2022-01-15 12:51
2 replies
Yeah, even if IEM Beijing had been an opposite result, I think it could've tipped the scales. But who knows at this point. It's just "what ifs" lol.
2022-01-15 20:14
1 reply
Yeah, it could have happened
2022-01-16 01:22
electronic > hobbit > ax1le
2022-01-15 12:51
1 reply
Personally, I would like this to happen xD But I doubt it would actually happen....
2022-01-15 13:05
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Indonesia FinZzz
Im gonna say that by order from the highest its Hobbit Axile Electronic Hobbit is the most consistent out of the 3, online or offline he has been great for Gambit.
2022-01-15 12:52
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From the eye-test, it seems that Hobbit has been more consistent than Ax1le. Having said that, Ax1le has better stats in every stat category and in every filter, except Big events' playoffs. Even against Top5, Top10, and Top20 opponents, Ax1le has marginally better stats than Hobbit. Also, MVP-wise, Ax1le is in a better position. Hobbit will have more EVPs probably, cuz he was consistent on LANs as well I guess. So, it's tough to guess this one.
2022-01-15 13:05
Electronic should ofc be above because of titles alone and impact. No one will get much MVP when u have S1mple on your team
2022-01-15 13:49
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If they prioritize LANs, then maybe. But considering Electronic has 149 online maps and 49 LAN maps, it seems kinda unfair. Electronic was usually Top6/Top5 even without any MVPs, because of great overall stats and many EVPs. I feel like his stats are somewhat of an issue this year, though his LAN rating is amazing.
2022-01-15 18:31
2 replies
I think they will prioritize the big event but, time will tell... I betted on Electronic so fingers crossed.
2022-01-16 14:31
1 reply
Yeah, all the best brór.
2022-01-16 14:48
#79
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Sweden EntonXD
I think its going to be elec, hobbit and ax1le.
2022-01-15 13:55
3 replies
In that order you mean? Interesting. That could actually happen, though I find it hard to imagine. Whenever I see Ax1le 7th, I start to think that he has better stats and MVPs than Hobbit, and start doubting again....
2022-01-15 18:29
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#90
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Sweden EntonXD
hobbit will 100% be above ax1le. he didnt fall off during hte major, on lan and didnt slump like ax1le did. and electronic had insane stats on every lan + the major.
2022-01-15 19:05
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You're talking about consistency, right? Well, yes, Hobbit was more consistent across LANs and online, through Yekindar has better overall numbers. However, will that point overcome the stats/achievements difference, if any? That's the dilemma. #67
2022-01-15 19:18
from the eye-test i feel like electronic was better in playoffs and in grandfinals than both of them but the stats says otherwise so in the end i think will be like this: 5) Hobbit 6) electronic 7) Ax1le
2022-01-15 13:59
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Many users seem to have this as the order in their books. Personally, I can't seem to settle on any order. To do it cold and calculated, I'd put Ax1le -5, hobbit -6, and Elec -7th. But I know Electronic won't be 7th xD. Also, putting him at 5th feels wrong. Ax1le > Electronic > Hobbit feels wrong since Hobbit was more consistent, but then again, Ax1le has better stats and achievements......
2022-01-15 14:11
#98
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Turkey sedo7
on stats elec>hobbit>axile on the impact hobbit>elec>axile
2022-01-15 19:48
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On LAN stats, elec > Ax1le > hobbit Rest everywhere else, it's ax1le > Hobbit > Electronic, except in big event playoffs where hobbit has been the best. Impact is subjective though, but considering hobbit's consistency across the entire year, there's a case to call him the "most impactful".
2022-01-15 20:21
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#128
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Turkey sedo7
yes, hobbit' role is tough and he is doing great
2022-01-15 22:33
hobbit best
2022-01-15 19:50
1 reply
Hobbit 5th would be an incredible storyline though, cuz #41
2022-01-15 19:55
electronic > Ax1le > Hobbit
2022-01-15 20:30
I'm gonna have to go with ax1le > hobbit > elec on this one. LANs are obviously weighted more this year, but they all played only 4 LAN events when there were many more online events this year, with katowice being another elite event where hobbit and ax1le got an EVP as well. Elec probably has 1-2 more elite event evps than them but I don't think it will be a huge factor
2022-01-15 20:33
5 replies
To be honest, b1t has the lowest overall stats in the entire Top20 list so far. The only reason he's not just Top20 but also in Top10, is his elite events' performance, his EVPs, and Navi's success. Going along the same lines, there can be a world where Electronic takes 5th. But yeah, I would logically side towards Ax1le and Hobbit, above Electronic too.
2022-01-15 20:38
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YEKINDAR was above b1t with 0.04 better rating and only 4 EVPs (2 are from small events), and both Hobbit and Ax1le have 0.04 better rating than elec with even more MVP/EVPs than YEKINDAR. So its hard to imagine elec at top5 but not impossible. Hobbit has 1.15, and elec has 1.14 in big events tho, so theres a good amount of chance for elec to be above hobbit actually.
2022-01-15 20:45
3 replies
And even more. Electronic played more playoffs on LAN and that will also be probably taken into account. And then we have some EVPs being more significant than smaller MVPs as well. This makes the prediction tough...
2022-01-15 20:49
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#122
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Russia Pneuma
They both have play a huge amount of playoff maps to build big enough sample size. The difference in number of their maps won't be consider at this point
2022-01-15 21:04
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Yes, total playoffs maps make your points correct. I was saying that if they consider elite events playoffs separately, that could make a big difference. But who knows lol.
2022-01-15 21:07
I would like it to be Axile > Electronic > Shir0 > Hobbit, but thats not going to happen.
2022-01-15 20:38
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Dafuq lol. I see, you think sh1ro's not been impressive enough. Hmm, I can see why one might think that. Sh1ro's been struggling compared to his standards recently. Hobbit has unironically been their most stable piece across the year though...
2022-01-15 20:40
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I just hate awp abusers :) I could think it logically but I don't want to do it for the remaining players because its so much harder than previous placings. As for Hobbit, I do remember that at least in major he was their best player. But I don't think he has been that much better than others in any other tournament. In spring he was slightly worse than those two others. But most consistent, yes I can agree that.
2022-01-15 21:54
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Lol, I see. Fair enough.
2022-01-16 07:54
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Poland Szuster
electronic > Hobbit > Ax1Le
2022-01-15 20:56
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Possible.
2022-01-15 21:14
Axe7e, Ele6tronic, hobb5t
2022-01-15 21:40
7. Ax1Le 6. Hobbit 5. electronic
2022-01-15 22:01
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Good Luck with your prediction xD
2022-01-16 07:54
Realy sad to see that elec will prolly get 7th. I know he is at least a top 5 player, but online was really hard for him...I hope he comes back to top 5 like what he usually does :)
2022-01-15 23:53
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Logically, I would put Electronic as 7th overall. But it just looks so weird to see him out of Top6. It's the same kind of feeling as device. Just so weird to see him out of Top10 xD. I don't really think Electronic will be 7th, though that will probably be my prediction....
2022-01-16 07:53
ax1le will have 9 evps unconfirmed(based of placement in toruneemnt and stats) reasoning for blast spring is cause his team won and players in the past has had 1.09 ratings and got evp from it) katowice, dreamhack spring, cis league, blast spring, cis rmr, iem fall cis, v4 (bronze), iem winter, blast world hobbit will have 8 evps unconfirmed katowice, pro leauge s13, dreamhack spring, cis rmr, proileauge s14 iem fall cis, v4 (bronze), blast world electronic will have 8 evps unconfirmed dreamhack spring, cis rmr, cologne, pro league s14, cis fall, major pgl, blast fall, blast world with addition of 2 tier very meaning full mvps to ax1le and 1 meaning full and 1 sort of meaningful mvp to hobbit the list will most likely be 7.electronic 6.hobbit 5.ax1le
2022-01-16 00:14
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Electronic would have at least 8 EVPs from the events that Navi won, but considering the 2 finals that Navi lost (Blast Spring Finals and IEM Fall CIS), Electronic will have at least 10 EVPs, I think. Major EVPs will weigh more than smaller MVPs too. And big LAN EVPs will carry a lot of weight. Even Electronic's LAN rating might give him a big boost, just like it boosted b1t's ranking.
2022-01-16 07:44
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7 EVPs from events navi won, cuz he didnt get one for blast global finals 2020* possibly 9 EVPs with 4 from LAN
2022-01-16 08:08
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Yes, my bad. Thanks. The point stays though. If b1t had been placed 10th, I'd have picked ElectroNic as 7th easily. But now I have doubts. Yekindar didn't even have as many achievements or EVPs, compared to b1t. He still ranked above with a 0.04 overall stats lead. Same gaps between elec and ax1le/hobbit, except that they have 2 MVPs each on top. Guess I'll pick Electronic as 7th.....
2022-01-16 08:13
5. electroNic 6. Hobbit 7. Ax1Le electroNic was a LAN and elite events monster and with all the team achievements I have him in my top 5. We'll see.
2022-01-16 09:58
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I hope so, but I kinda doubt it tbh. Electronic is one of those players who fall off online and only show up consistently on LAN. However, considering 49 LAN maps vs 149 online maps, I'm not sure how much to weigh each performance. And Electronic's LAN EVPs will boost him up too. But overall stats and MVPs will tank him. I'll go with Electronic as 7th, as per my calculated estimates, but my gut feeling says he will be at least Top6. Let's see.
2022-01-16 13:25
Great thread. :) My predictions are still Ax1Le/Hobbit > Electronic but I can completely understand if Electronic places higher than both. ^^
2022-01-16 19:54
impossible for elec to get MVPs with having a teammate called S1mple
2022-01-16 19:56
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