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EG or Liquid as best NA team?
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United States AppliedMathematics 
Even on hltv confirmed they had trouble deciding which is better. They said both will be top 10 and one will be top 5. Malek > Adren (Adren has bad strats and hype/leadership, Liquid was only amazing due to firepower) IGL: Stewie > Nitr0 (Stew better in every aspect except ego/malding) Star Rifler: Brehze = Elige (Check stealer Brehze of 2021 who played Valorant all day was still a beast, now he's motivated) AWP: Cerq = oSee (Cerq only bad because EG was a pit of despair and proven in tier 1, oSee not that good in tier 1) Lurker/Anchor: NAF >= Autimatic Support: Shox >= RUSH
2022-01-16 00:18
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My flair is not bias, I support both teams equally. EG is just more exciting due to returning players and being the second top 10 NA team for the first time in a year.
2022-01-16 00:19
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I don’t think that EG hit top 10 with Auti and rush.
2022-01-16 00:39
+1 rocking EG, but honestly pumped for all CS teams. It feels exciting again, especially for NA. I also want to see Astralis not bomb, I want to see Fnatic keep their streak up, and there a few eu and cis mix teams that could be cool too. Loving all of cs really
2022-01-16 01:37
4 replies
Indeed, this is the most exciting year of CS since 2019, which was Ence, Liquid, Fnatic, Astralis, Navi, EG, and more going crazy
2022-01-16 02:29
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#92
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Finland Nollegee
+1 and more rosters are going to get announced soon, very exciting indeed!
2022-01-16 05:47
yes im excited about all the upcoming power rosters, but NEVER WILL I EVER WANT ASTRALIS TO PREVAIL! edit: besides my team winning a tournament the next best thing is when astralis goes out in groups.
2022-01-16 02:41
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I agree, but again even new astralis has me rooting for them. Konfig is something else and his potential has been wasted for too long!
2022-01-18 19:29
baiter: appliedmathematics>NA CS
2022-01-16 00:20
#5
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Brazil rauni90001
ES >> TL & EG
2022-01-16 00:20
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#39
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Bhutan rvDxd
Col>>
2022-01-16 01:50
Both shit, but Liquid is lesser shit.
2022-01-16 00:20
4 replies
#26
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Sweden morotN
based
2022-01-16 01:25
This. I have hard time seeing either team making top10 consistently. They have potential in paper but potential rarely fully happens especially with more experienced players. And all the other teams, especially cis teams, are getting better every year.
2022-01-16 03:59
2 replies
I look at the top 10 and generally disagree when it comes to liquid they look like the 7th or 8th best team on paper and eg are gonna float around 20 to start the year and end the year around the 9-10 range. Col are most likely 20-15
2022-01-16 09:47
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I actually hope that you are right. Would do great for NA cs and cs in general. But I wouldn't put my money on it.
2022-01-16 13:47
#7
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Wales I_like_csgo
I think Liquid will be better unless Cerq really gets his shit together and Nitr0 sucks ass
2022-01-16 00:21
I would say Liquid that EliGE and oSee are better than Brehze and Cerq, both just haven't had form recently. I would also say that Rush may actually be a better support, since shox has not often played the support role. The thing that conerns me with both teams is their IGLs. Nitr0 could very well be out of date, and I still don't trust Stew as an IGL
2022-01-16 00:23
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Everyone on TL unanimously agrees Stew has the best tactical mind for CS they've seen, and he makes 99% of the mid round calls. I'd say his skill and being up to date makes his better for the time being
2022-01-16 00:25
liquid ez
2022-01-16 00:24
#11
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Poland Fealis_
Lol what a question. Liquid BY FAR. Funny thing is that EG won't even be second best NA team since Extra Salt got a pretty decent roster and I doubt EG can beat them. 1. Liquid 2. Extra Salt 3. EG
2022-01-16 00:28
11 replies
Nah ur wrong. Even the hltv guys, professional analysts that decide the hltv top 20, couldn't decide which is better. Also the extra salt roster, lul. They'll be top 20 or top 15
2022-01-16 00:41
8 replies
#18
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Poland Fealis_
Hah professional analysts xD I bet on this game since release and I make some profit. You can believe me or not but Liquid will be the only NA team that will have a small chance to win a tournament vs EU teams. EG is a mix made of washed up bots
2022-01-16 00:54
Did you watch the hltv confirmed ? they basically trash EG the whole episode
2022-01-16 05:34
6 replies
Yes, they specifically couldn't say which team is better...
2022-01-16 05:42
5 replies
haha, you have stained glasses. They were not excited by the roster except maybe Spunj. But whatever, I wish EG good luck, but for me, your comparaison is silly. Naf is better than all five eg players. Putting = to automatic is ridiculous. It is not 2018. Elige had better year than Brehze and honestly Cerq is NA acor rn, I think Glaive has better ratio than him. Those things won't disappear like magic.
2022-01-16 05:49
4 replies
i have faith
2022-01-16 05:49
3 replies
You should be realist a bit. They will grind and become better than Liquid. Yes, maybe, but straight away ? A rusty Rush, a rusty automatic and Brehze who tries valorant and came back.
2022-01-16 05:52
2 replies
They MIGHT be better right now, as Liquid is pugging online for fun and EG is all together bootcamping ultra hard in Germany and practicing with EU teams.
2022-01-16 06:16
1 reply
You're right about that. I hope they will go eu soon. I like how eg has changed I cannot deny that. I really liked before, but watching them at the na rmr was almost heartbreaking. At least, now they have cohesion. And httv confirmed like to bash on na. Liquid is staying longer in na = lazy bastard. Vitality is enjoying time together in a resort = good moves. Both are not practicing much.
2022-01-16 14:12
#27
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Namibia aimdemon
Daps team > EG
2022-01-16 01:27
#64
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United States gweees
I love Extra Salt/Col but they will be #3 in NA
2022-01-16 04:42
to be very honest the best team is the extra salt core which will go to COL
2022-01-16 00:30
#13
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Yugoslavia bigtito
nitr0 > Stewie if Stewie was better he would have been the IGL in 2019. ELiGE > Brezhe ELiGE obviously one of the best NA players NAF > automatic LOL oSee > cerq fresh talent vs washed talent shox = RUSH shox is obviously more legendary but I think they cancel each other out with what they bring to the table
2022-01-16 00:37
5 replies
Flag
2022-01-16 00:44
#19
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Poland Fealis_
Shox > rush as well
2022-01-16 00:55
1 reply
#28
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Other Connector
No, shoxie is very good player, but RUSH is the best, RUSH = Polish Pride
2022-01-16 01:29
real non biased Stew>valorant bot nitr0 Elige>Brezhe NAF>Auti oSee=Cerq Shox>RUSH
2022-01-16 02:37
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#100
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Canada unagi_pie
I definitely agree with this. Though I think: Osee has the potential to improve with more positive tier 1 experience. Cerq is going to have a hard time dragging himself out of that EG slump. Sloth GOD NAF is not even comparable to autimatic
2022-01-16 07:03
#16
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United States amba01
rush is definitely better than shox
2022-01-16 00:42
4 replies
#20
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Poland Fealis_
Flag
2022-01-16 00:55
1 reply
#29
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Other Connector
Flair
2022-01-16 01:27
#22
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Brazil guelzy1
i cant believe i read this
2022-01-16 00:58
1 reply
#62
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United States amba01
i cant believe there are "last dance" fans
2022-01-16 04:05
#21
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Brazil guelzy1
Last dance
2022-01-16 00:58
#23
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United States Topher
I’d say liquid has a higher ceiling but also a lower floor, I think eg will be 15-10 whereas liquid will be somewhere between 20-5
2022-01-16 00:59
EG is ofc better but how is Brehze a paycheck stealer who played valorant all day when he only had a rumor that he was going to valorant. Didn’t stream it all the time like Elige
2022-01-16 01:06
1 reply
He had like 15 hours of CS over 2 weeks during tourney lmfao
2022-01-16 01:24
Lurker/Anchor: NAF >= Autimatic bruh what
2022-01-16 01:28
1 reply
Yeh NAF is way better that was a bit of a cope But autimatic is good as well and won't be awping
2022-01-16 01:30
#31
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Scotland Ludax
Hard to say, would prefer EG personally
2022-01-16 01:29
2 replies
Same, more exciting but will be worse
2022-01-16 02:31
1 reply
#110
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Scotland Ludax
Maybe, my only doubts on the team are Rush and Auti tbh
2022-01-16 14:14
#33
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United States TARIK_GOAT
auti and rush are concerning
2022-01-16 01:36
#35
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France d0py
Liquid because of shoxieJESUS
2022-01-16 01:37
2 replies
#38
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United States ilkym00th
As much as I love shox I have no idea how he fits into this team
2022-01-16 01:46
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#41
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France d0py
he will just shine in there like s1mple used to back in 2016
2022-01-16 02:03
This EG team will not do well imo. Liquid don't look amazing but I would expect them to do better than EG.
2022-01-16 01:37
#37
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United States ilkym00th
CoL ez clap
2022-01-16 01:45
#40
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Romania dorslayer
Liquid slightly more better than EG imo
2022-01-16 01:51
Applied maths hard af brah
2022-01-16 02:21
1 reply
Yes it is my college major mens very hard, you pick a cluster and mine is half comp sci half econ
2022-01-16 02:30
elige>brehze as of now. they can even up later but i havent seen in form brehze in over a year
2022-01-16 02:24
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Yes I was memeing a bit.
2022-01-16 02:30
lmao eg wont even get top10 Auti washed valorant Stewie average at best Cerq was shit Brehze is good Rush is bot
2022-01-16 02:33
2 replies
use brain, ty
2022-01-16 05:04
#104
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Other Connector
dutch scene where?
2022-01-16 13:50
#49
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Finland HARD4ENCE
Liquid for sure. Max rank EG will get is top 20. Well, top 15 if lucky.
2022-01-16 02:37
1 reply
We'll see in 2 weeks :)
2022-01-16 05:05
This EG roster is the NA equivalent to Last Dance - only delusional fans living in the past think these washed up bots have any chance of making it into top20. Even if they buy a bunch of free invites into tier1 tournaments, they'll remain 'a bye' for any decent cis/eu team. If they actually competed in european t2-t3 scene they wouldnt even make playoffs of lootbet cups and shit like that most of the time. Top30 teams like Mad Lions or Eternal Fire would wipe the floor with them. This Liquid roster might cause some upsets and stay bottom half of top10 if Nitr0 is not a complete joke (big if). Otherwise they'll have to find a new IGL and struggle for the rest of the year because they're a bunch of primadonna manchildren.
2022-01-16 02:36
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2022-01-16 05:05
#52
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Bosnia and Herzegovina hyrox1
TL is much better imo,but they can't be in top 5,there is big competition right now for top. So top 10 is more realistic for TL,for EG i don't think they can be even in top 15,so probably they will be like Extra Salt last year.
2022-01-16 02:38
3 replies
They will be top 5 my friend, trust
2022-01-16 03:18
2 replies
#58
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Bosnia and Herzegovina hyrox1
Hmm idk how can they fit into top 5 if there is:Na`Vi,G2,Gambit,Vitality,Astralis,FaZe. They have great core with EliGE,NAF,oSee but other 2 players is big question mark for me.
2022-01-16 03:24
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I can only see Navi, Vitality, and Gambit as top 5 contenders currently. Liquid this year was top 10 with shit awp, shit igl, shit support, bad mental. All of those problems are now fixed, and they are one of the best teams on LAN. They were the 2nd best team of 2018 and 2019 for example but fell off to onliner covid era.
2022-01-16 03:48
#53
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United States NVE
this is such a bad comparrison, bro elige is better and nitr0 is better, and naf is one of the best lurkers, im not biased but what ur saying is just stupid.
2022-01-16 02:39
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how can he compared Auto with NAF and pretend he is at the same level ? Man, this guy is smoking. I agree Shox and Nitro are question marks, but this is a NA last dance. Maybe the honeymoon will be intense for EG, but once, they will go down, it will be horrible.
2022-01-16 05:43
liquid
2022-01-16 02:41
#56
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North America b00tleg
1.Liquid 2.COL 3.EG EG has way too many question marks on basically every player but stewie performance wise (who himself has big question marks on if he can actually be a good IGL). The one upside they have is a good coach in Malek, but there's no guarantee that all or even any of these players will be at a top 10 level. Complexity is basically every NA hot prospect minus osee and everyone who bounced to valorant. They'll probably start off slow, but this is a super young team with potentially a massive ceiling. Liquid has Elige and NAF, enough said. If osee finds his comfort, that's a world class core, and even if he doesn't, I sincerely doubt that they'll ever be out of tier 1
2022-01-16 02:48
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yeah eg isnt even better than ES/col bruh, u have 0.98 rating awper who cant even perform in na, budget elige, and ironically rush and stew are the only players id say can play at a tier 1 lvl in their roles u have to be demented to think brehze cerq auti is better than junior grim floppy let alone elige naf osee. also, fang >>> rush any day of the week
2022-01-16 04:52
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EG, a tier 1 proven team that has been inactive with a new structure and motivation, isn't better than a team that is comprised of tier 1 failures? username + flag + flair
2022-01-16 05:04
RUSH > shox
2022-01-16 04:01
#63
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United States joke_cs
OSee Naf Elige trio is way too strong. They'll probably be better unless EG has crazy teamwork.
2022-01-16 04:24
osee is wayyyyyyy better than cerq
2022-01-16 04:43
do you seriously think washed up brehze and cerq + auti will be better than elige naf osee elige > brehze naf > auto osee > cerq shox > rush nitr0 = stewie adreN = malek malek couldnt get g2 to win a single tournament even with the best rifler in the world. do you seriously think he can get 0.98 rating awper cerq to do anything LMAO
2022-01-16 04:52
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flag + flair + name. not sure you know what being washed means. kennys is washed. with eg the whole team gave up and didn't practice or care. brehze literally had 20 hours in 2 weeks during tourney play. elige practicing every single day under the same roster in a top 10 team is barely better than brehze not giving a shit in a top 50 team EG lmfao. there's a difference between no motivation and washed. please learn csgo, thank you. elige = brehze naf > auto osee < cerq shox = rush nitr0< stewie adreN < malek
2022-01-16 04:54
11 replies
Osee definitely better then cerq even when cerq was doing good he wasnt that impressive
2022-01-16 04:54
8 replies
cerqs only 2 events above a 1.1 rating were an esea cash cup and iem na LOLOLOLOL better than osee btw. even junior on furia with shit roles and a language barrier did better hltv.org/stats/players/events/11219/cerq..
2022-01-16 04:56
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#75 sit down
2022-01-16 05:02
hltv.org/stats/players/11219/cerq?rankin.. hltv.org/stats/players/13249/osee?rankin.. Stats > your delusions. Same age and Cerq is way more impactful with 5x the tier 1 experience. Everybody knows cerq has a higher ceiling, stop with the cope.
2022-01-16 04:59
5 replies
hes played 1/5 of the maps and hes almost caught up
2022-01-16 05:00
4 replies
so you're conceding cerq is better, at the same age with 5x the tier 1 experience? TY
2022-01-16 05:03
3 replies
Osee never got the chance to play 100+ maps in tier 1 cs we will see by the end of the year who is better but from watching both players play for years i think osee is a better player cerq isnt bad hes just not that talented compared to osee in my opinion
2022-01-16 05:07
2 replies
He did get the chance, he just decided to be comfy stat farming in tier 2 or tier 3. He chose to not join Liquid and leave Cloud9. He's not like smooya (who's way better) and was banished to tier 3.
2022-01-16 05:13
1 reply
we will see
2022-01-16 05:48
0/8 brehze 1.00 rating, elige top 20 this year cerq cant even perform in na shox is still better than rush nitr0 is way better than stewie as an actual igl lmk when malek wins anything in his life LUL no motivation means ur washed lmao, if u have no motivation ur just stealing paychecks. cant believe eg has fans even when their players arent even trying and just getting free paychecks
2022-01-16 04:55
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why does the guy in a top 10 team with a stable roster have a higher rating than the guy in a top 100 team that was disbanding and changed players 10 times? durrrr
2022-01-16 05:01
Extra salt/complexity better then both tbh
2022-01-16 04:53
2 replies
Not a chance, but I want them to succeed the most. If I could choose the NA team rankings for 2022, it would be 1. Col 2. EG 3. Liquid
2022-01-16 04:57
1 reply
idk the hunger is there and they got the talent i think its very possible for them to be the best in NA now that they get invites due to fat org money we can see what they can do but its entirely possible they will flop like CPH or ence
2022-01-16 04:58
#76
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Brazil ImReverx
Cloud9
2022-01-16 05:00
#85
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Finland notits
TL better nitr0 will make liquid great again, one way or another
2022-01-16 05:07
#88
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United States TrashPanda
If analysts were always right, no one would watch games. Liquid will be fine, and honestly they may look very, very similar to the grand slam Liquid very quickly. I also believe that EG will be a dumpster fire and ES will surpass them easily to be the #2 team in NA.
2022-01-16 05:17
It’s gonna be coL at the end of the year
2022-01-16 05:55
#101
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United States cybonics
Complexity obviously
2022-01-16 07:08
#105
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Japan JadzStar
This was the most biased EG thread I could read, you saying "my flair is not bias" is so bs anyways, only true top1 NA team is Faze
2022-01-16 13:54
In order for us to know that we would have to see them play, On paper I still put Liquid above EG but we don't know how the chemistry of these teams will work.
2022-01-16 13:55
#107
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Sweden quacke
"Lurker/Anchor: NAF >= Autimatic Support: Shox >= RUSH" NAF >>>>> autimatic, even if autimatic hits peak form. NAF is the best NA player right now, and autimatic will be a liability for EG as he'll effectively be forced into a third star role, which I doubt he can keep up with. shox <<<<<<<< RUSH, shox isn't a support player, RUSH is. Simple as that. Assuming RUSH gets the roles he's best fit for RUSH will be the better support player by a long shot.
2022-01-16 14:02
Osee>>>> cerq
2022-01-16 14:06
between both roster changes i hope both do well. i think liquid is starting in a better place than eg but im not gonna sleep on eg either they still have alot of potential
2022-01-18 19:37
#113
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United States ilkym00th
Complexity
2022-01-18 19:58
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