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s1mple massive impact according to HLTV ranking?
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Ukraine Valta 
img-cdn.hltv.org/gallerypicture/DOAqw9Gz.. This is NAVI and Gambit cap according HLTV top 10 teams article. But according to top 20 ranking 3 Gambit players > everyone but s1mple on NAVI. And then if we say: Perfecto > interz Boombl4 < nafany So this gap must be caused by s1mple, right?
2022-01-16 20:30
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jabbi | 
Brazil falmes
What
2022-01-16 20:32
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#5
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Ukraine Valta
s1mple is behind NAVI's success this year
2022-01-16 20:33
7 replies
wow who would have thought
2022-01-16 20:34
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#19
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Ukraine Valta
2022-01-16 20:37
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jabbi | 
Brazil falmes
No way bro
2022-01-16 20:34
#10
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United States gweees
coldest take
2022-01-16 20:35
#14
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Kyrgyzstan katsumii
are you sure?
2022-01-16 20:36
no shit
2022-01-17 13:24
omg!! really?
2022-01-17 14:26
Basically that there's a huge gap between Navi and Gambit this year, as is shown by the attached image from HLTV Top10 Team Rankings. However, Gambit has 3 Top6 players, while Navi has 1, which shows s1mple's excess impact, compared to everybody on Gambit. That's what OP is saying.
2022-01-16 20:38
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Brazil ghcn
what
2022-01-16 20:40
NAVI dont have 3 top 6 players but they have top 7 and 9 players So his conclusion doesn't really make sense
2022-01-16 20:41
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Ukraine Valta
gambit have 3 top 6 players but NAVI > Gambit , this is point
2022-01-16 20:43
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It's not like NAVI have S1mple and 4 1.00 players, the difference between 9/7 and 6 place is so small to draw any conclusion about it You can say that S1mple being so much more impactful than Sh1ro makes NAVI better + of course mental state, larger pool of reactions etc etc
2022-01-16 20:47
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Yeah. Vitality had Zywoo and 4 x 1.00 players and we see where they are
2022-01-16 21:04
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Top 3?
2022-01-17 14:25
1 reply
Changing roster.
2022-01-17 22:59
Ofc, just look at any team's average ratings. And then look at how much above or below are the various players, compared to the team's average. Gambit is higher rated than Navi, across the year: hltv.org/stats/teams?startDate=2021-01-0.. s1mple maintains a +0.23 to +0.26 across overall stats and across LAN respectively, compared to Navi's average. Note: Ofc Navi's success is a team effort. The point is that s1mple provided a huge boost, which is reflected in the stats.
2022-01-16 20:48
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Again, the difference in 0.02KD/0.01 rating is so small that it doesn't make a lot of sense for me to make any global statements about it As you can think eg about tournaments like IEM Summer/Winter, Blast Showdown, V4 tournament etc and this little difference can come from these tournaments which ruins the whole statement about Gambit players being better than NAVI overall
2022-01-16 20:51
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Thing is Navi were shaky first 6 months of 2021, particularly electronic and b1t (or flamie), it was a solo carry for s1mple. But if we make a top5 since cologne, when Navi started winning everything, then Navi has 3 top5 players
2022-01-16 21:05
What
2022-01-16 20:33
What
2022-01-16 20:33
#4
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Bangladesh Santho
tahW
2022-01-16 20:33
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Bahamas Jam18
What
2022-01-16 20:34
Comparing teams by saying 1 player > another player for all 5 players has always been stupid and misleading
2022-01-16 20:35
+1 excellent observation
2022-01-16 20:35
I mean yeah it's majority S1mple, but I think it's more about them figuring out a solid team structure than anything You don't have to have the best players to be the best team. Heroic for example didn't have anyone in the top-20, but were still one of the best teams in the year
2022-01-16 20:35
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stavn's been top 20 for 2 years in a row now
2022-01-16 20:36
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Wait wtf I'm an idiot, I completely missed him getting #16 this year LMFAO
2022-01-16 20:37
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still he is their best player but only reached 16
2022-01-17 23:03
look, you will believe what you want to believe whether hltv says it or not
2022-01-16 20:36
5 bad players with good teamplay > 5 good players with bad teamplay Although Gambit has insane teamplay but Navi is top1 cause they have insane teamplay and not cause of the players or s1mple.
2022-01-16 20:36
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Ukraine Valta
they say same thing about astralis 2018 😂 i guess this is criteria for goat team
2022-01-16 20:39
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Gambit in 2022: 5 insane players with good teamplay. This is "THE" Criteria for GOAT team.
2022-01-16 20:41
if u count this that way yeah. simple in 2021 was basically simple in 2018 + zywo in 19 and 20 combined
2022-01-16 20:37
Wdym by 3 gambit players are much better than everyone in NAVI if both b1t and Elec are in top 10 as well as hobbit and Axile? 3 vs 3, everything is pretty logical edit: there is no hobbit wtf, then its even 3 vs 2 for NAVI
2022-01-16 20:39
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hobbit will be in the top 20 4sure ... imo nafany > Boombl4, but when Boombl4's peak is slightly above nafany peak, Perfecto > Interz 10000% , S1mple > Sh1ro no disscusion, Elec >= Ax1le... it depends on the map...Ax1le >> Elec on mirage, but on Inferno, Nuke Elec >>> Axile, on the rest of the maps they are quite similar...B1t = Hobbit... the experience can place hobbit above B1t, but u cant negate the talent of B1t and his insane aim.... its quite hard to compare these 2 guys
2022-01-16 20:59
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Ukraine Valta
according to HLTV ranking and stats Hobbit > B1T Ax1le > electronic nafany > Boombl4 sh1ro < s1mple interz < Perfecto
2022-01-17 13:22
What?
2022-01-16 20:37
if a player has 0.1 or 0.2 higher rating that dosent mean he is a better player
2022-01-17 14:27
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Ukraine Valta
0.1/0.2 is big difference , mb u mean 0.01/0.02
2022-01-17 20:38
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yea yea that mb
2022-01-18 09:46
s1mple is the goat of csgo, no surprise he's a main factor of NaVi winning and having an era. But other teammates and coach have their own important impact (not only hltv numbered) as well.
2022-01-17 14:28
or maybe NaVi uttilized b1t and electronic to success while perfecto and boombl4 played perfect support positions in its success while s1mple is just a wall that holds the entire cement he fills the gaps.
2022-01-17 20:41
#43
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Denmark nicram64
Perfecto is the most underrated player ever
2022-01-17 23:00
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