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Gonna grab new cpu+mobo+ram and im mostly considering 3 options:
i3-12100F (100euros) + 100 mobo = 200 euros
i5-11400F (150 euros) + ~60 mobo = 210 euros
i5-12400F (200 euros) + 100 mobo= 300 euros
1st) How is the comparison between the 12100f and the 11400f? I looked a bit and they look almost identical except that the i5 has 2 more physical cores, but the i3 is newer, has more cache...
2nd) are the ~100 euros for the 12400F worth it? Is it such a big improvement over the other 2?
3rd) any idea about when lga 1700 mobos will drop in price to around 60 euros? Wouldn´t mind waiting like 1 month for them.
PS: kinda funny that amd used to be the budget option and now intel is. Couldn´t find any amd competing with that i3 (which is brutal for 100 euros).
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11400f? doesnt really seem to be too of an upgrade over the i3
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nowadays the number of cores is more important thanks to amd
If it wasn't for them Intel would still sell us i7 with 4 cores and 8 threads
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yeah thats right, thanks to amd intel has gotten their act together. but in intels 12th gen amount cores really don't matter as much cause of e and p cores.
ryzen 5 5600x
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Idiot AMD fanboy detected.
5600X is the most expensive among them all.
Also 12400F is considerably faster in games: youtube.com/watch?v=hfnov_lpGGo
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but good cpu u cant deny
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"12600k is literally the best cpu u can get for gaming at the moment"
WHAT??????
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depends on the deals you can get on the used market. also if we are talking about the price to performance formula than no.
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tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i9-1..
you should have a read. the 12600k is a monster for its price. In germany it costs the same as a 5600x. Which is worse. I wouldnt think twice with the future proof support of ddr5 and pcie5 if i had to decide between the two.
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youtu.be/_P_AGv-DJbU
12900K beats 5950X
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motherboard cost, also cost of cooling, and power supply maybe needs upgrading , not saying the 12400f is bad it might require a higher initial investment. we also do not know anything about his existing pc, if he has an amd board he might not need to buy anything else. if he is able to grab a 5600x and a b450 board for cheaper i would say it is worth it but lga 1700 has atleast 1 more gen so that's good as 5th gen is the last pga generation.
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ryzen 5
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Ur so wrong mate XD
Which games need more than 4 cores?
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Most new games use 6 cores and utilize hyperthreading of 12.
Explain 3rd point.
11400 is pretty decent if you play on 1080p, i have 11400f with gtx 1660 super and it works pretty good, most of the games runs in 60+ fps on high-ultra 1920 1080 res.
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Consider not doing it :0. I3 lower and just as good.
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Well it has 6/12 so not sure...
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Yeah i may end up picking that one as well. Will need to drink less for next months because im low on money.
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i have 75-80 C in games with stock cooler on i5 11400f, is that normal or is it too much?
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Normal and overrated problem. My CPU has been working at 90-100 for 6 years.
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Case is too hot to touch it in summer xaxa. Sometimes i touch with leg when moving and it burns.
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I am really worried cuz my ryzen gets up to 90 degrees but apparently you don’t have to worry till 95+ but that thing literally heats my room outside also very warm to the touch I already undervolted the cores and they still give so much heat
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They say this things like max 95 just to be safe. Plus amd temps used to be higher than intel, at least when i used to care and be interested in computers.
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Thing is tho the fan noise is so loud it’s annoying the cooler I bought is decent but I also upgraded to a triple fan 3060ti and that thing is obnoxiously loud as soon as fans hit 70%
If you go higher than 85º on regular basis is not really good, it won't break your cpu in two days, but it will need more voltage over time and it will lose power on the long run.
If you use a cpu that has 10 years it will perform worst than when it was fresh, the higher the temps, the sooner that will happen.
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Won’t use it for 10 years anyways and it only gets to 85-90 when I play with unlimited FPS like in cs
Guess I will upgrade in 5 years at most as money is no issue he’ll my old pc is from 2018
wtf
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+1 silent good cpu cooler is the best investment there is
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Unless its thermal throttling you should be fine, just next time your playing check that your clocks dont drop bellow what they should. but defiantly worth investing in a cooler cause your cpu would be able to boost higher giving you more fps.
Option 2
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Why
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i3 trash
and 100€ just for a newer generation with 3-5% more performance is not worth it.
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How is that i3 trash
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Its trash, dont ask
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It has a significantly better l2 cache
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Price?
amd sheep.
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Not sure its worth investing in 2nd hand and it's not that good nowadays imo
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wrong
I have a 5600G using integrated graphics that gets 200+ FPS easy in CS. 4:3 1280x960 all low settings
there are so many videos on youtube with tests of these components
recommend you watch them and make a conclusion yourself, but for lol/cs/dota etc it will be enough for sure
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12400f
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La pasta D:
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si fuera tu cogía esa opción con alguna placa base baratilla ya que no tiene overclock, para juegos es la mejor opción calidad precio a dia de hoy, supera al 5600x por bastante menos dinero
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No hay placa baratilla aún, es new gen. Mínimo 100 loros.
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No deberían tardar mucho las del chipset b660 y h670 en salir que son las que van bien para ese cpu y que serán más baratas
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¿Cuánto tiempo le echas? Poco me importa esperar un par de meses (de hecho, viendo mi situación financiera posiblemente tenga que esperar de todos modos. Pillaré ahora la cpu y en uno o dos meses la placa y rams.
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Por lo que he leído dicen que en el Q1 de 2022 osea que tardara eso 2-3 meses como mucho.
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Creo que me pillo el i3. Total, si en algún momento quiero hacer upgrade, el socket me vale. Y la placa bueno, cuando tenga el dinero la compro, si ya hay alguna más barata pues de lujo pero si no, tampoco me voy a morir por pagar 30 o 40 euros más.
Gracias por la ayuda de todos modos, bro.
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vi antes que en pccomponentes ya hay b660 y h670 por si le quieres echar un ojo, yo si fuera tu ahorraba un poco más y pillaba directamente el i5 pero tu mismo :D
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Las placas que veo de esas dos series son todas de 150 euros para arriba en pcc. Y lo del i5 pff, es que no sé. Estoy dudando muy mucho si estirarme o no.
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esos 100 € de diferencia que hay de diferencia entre el cpu lo notaras en un tiempo, hoy en día 4 nucleos ya se empiezan a quedar cortos, para jugar igual te sirve pero a la que tienes un par de cosas abiertas ya empieza a rascar el juego y demás, y en un futuro agradecerás tener esos 6 nucleos si eres de aguantar con el mismo pc, antes que el i3 pilla el i5 11400f que merece más la pena esos 2 nucleos y hilos extra y en rendimiento andan muy parejos
youtube.com/watch?v=DNll3N09VPw
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Pff la cosa es que el socket del i3 admite upgrade en el futuro. Luego le echo un vistazo al vídeo, que ahora tengo examen. No sé, igual intento ahorrar para el 12400F, pero es que esos 100 euros son 10 botellas de DYC :mgalletas:
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Pues ya eso tu mismo los gastos que tengas y lo que quieras dejarte en el pc que igual no lo usas tanto y con el i3 vas bien ya te dije yo lo que haría pero al final es tu dinero tu eliges
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Illo qué mala hostia el profe. Me tenía que repetir un examen por covid y el que puso al grupo era nivel segundo de bachillerato y a mi me metido una follada muy dura. Al final me has convencido y voy a pillar el 12400 jaja. Gracias tío.
I would say 12400f but also look around for second hand ryzen boards with a 5600x as performance is pretty comparable and you could get some for a good price.
main advantages for 12th gen is that its currently the fastest option and its going to have at least 1 more gen of improvement so you would be able to upgrade even further.
Consider prices for components such as a cooler and power supply as 12th gen chips take a lot of power and generate a lot of heat whereas, a 5600x could run on a stock cooler and is a lot more power efficient.
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1700 mobos are most likely not dropping in price anytime soon well unless amd makes their new board cheap or next gen lga boards drop which is in like 14th gen
I got a 212 evo which i plan to re use (lets hope mobo is compatible). Also how much power will it consume :o?
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the evo should be fine.
you would need to ask cooler master for a lga 1700 bracket, unless you have one already, cause its a different socket.
12400f should be 65w which is good but it boosts up to 117w which you should watch out for.
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Got a supposedly 650w Bronze psu a couple of years ago, but since its a cheap brand lets suppose it gives around 500-550W. Should be enough for short term, right? Im planning to get new psu and hdd at around next black friday.
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what gpu are you using?
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Xaxa i just replied below before reading this.
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xd
you should be fine, actually its 100% enough
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Yeah, my pc is kinda a joke. But that's what happens when you gotta pay college and your vices (alcohol and such) by yourself xaxa. Also can't really complain, this pc has given me lots of funs and it was cheap as fuck.
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Yeah specs aren't the most important thing especially if its enough for you only upgrade if it is limiting you from enjoying your game.
also wasn't "xd-ing" at your gpu just at #97
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May end up getting the 12100F tho. That 100 euros price is just so sweet, and i dont really mind running things on med/high, plus my monitor is 1080P so it's not like im going for 2k.
Found the benchmark here youtu.be/xBDFCoGhZ4g quite impressive
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yeah, if you dont need that extra performance its not worth a 100 eu premium, you should be good with an 12100f it seems like a beast.
ps- bump for watching gamers nexus.
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I don't watch any channel related to hardware nowadays, i found this video while comparing 11400 to 12100f. Anyways, the guy seemed quite "honest", like not biased and such, and i ended up suscribing. Cool guy.
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Yeah, he's one of the best when it comes to comparing hardware and computer related stuff fairly and scientifically.
Since im still using a 950 (lulw) it doesn't consume that much.
R5 3600X
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not that good of a deal, also 3600x is pointless compared to the 3600.
i have 7700k
and want new cpu without change mainboard, what can i pick ?
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Look up your mainboard at the company that made it, most likely they will have a list of what it supports (make sure to flash the BIOS if they list support for something faster needs that).
Also look into what the cost of an upgrade vs. replacing the motherboard and so will bring, it might not be worth upgrading.
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what is withthe 12400 f with new mainbaord, its cheap or ?
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Currently cheapest are around 100 euros, but they'll eventually drop to 60 or so.
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and cpu is 180
so 300 its good
can i use my old ram ?
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What's ur old ram? Ddr 3?
Anyways u better ask this Latvia guy rather than me. Gl bro
yes you can as ddr4 is compatible with the new 12th gen boards and any other current boards (am4).
mobo prices depend on your country but de.pcpartpicker.com/ is a good way to compare prices. decent ones are around 200 eu in germany
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Question is what speed his DDR4 is, like it will be DD4-2133 or DDR4-2400 and I think the 12th gen will want 3200 or faster.
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yeah, im assuming its around 3000-3200 but yeah lower mhz would limit him massively
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That is if it will even run.
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it should still run just not as well.
Unfortunately, your mobo can only be compatible with 7th/6th gen cpus so you would need a new mobo for newer more powerful cpus.
you could go 7800x or 7th gen i9 but that wouldn't be a good performance jump for the price
Remember when comparing performance to look at what memory is used, if you're looking at something with DDR5 you may be looking at DDR5 being hard to get and also expensive compared to DDR4.
If you get the right combo, then you can get the most from Intel at the moment. However once you included all components the diff %-wise is small, so really it is more like up to preference and possibility of future upgrades as well.
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12th gen boards are compatible with ddr4 and it bares the same performance so shouldn't be an issue
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I don't think the boards are DDR4 and DDR5, you will have to pick when choosing the board if you want new tech and the premium that goes with it - and picking DDR4 will likely mean missing out if CPU upgrading in the future.
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yep, but i think 13th gen would still support z690 boards with ddr4 and 14th gen would be another socket all together so it wont matter anyway in terms of future cpus as you still need to change your mobo for 14th gen onwards.
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kk
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Jesus you're so ignorant. Ive been playing 1.6 and GO all my life (around 14yrs) and i would probably eat you up in game too.
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wtf are u on about?
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nice edit loser
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you're a loser
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yeah sure buddy keep coping
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¨lol keep coping? What is there to cope? U high?
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I think you're about to OD. maybe lay off the copium its dangerous
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I think you have no idea what you're talking about. You said You're a loser for no reason you disrespectful antagonist
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#116 and you editing your comment to say something else gives me enough evidence that you are a complete loser
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That tells everything about how bigger of a loser you are if you get offended by an edited comment that doesn't exist anymore, do you have 2 braincells fighting eachother? #116 doesn't exist are u high?
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Lay off the copium
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Thats all you can say? Repeating your same comment, what a big loser you are, and it doesn't even make any sense. You're too stupid to give a good answer thats why you keep on going with that one word you recently learned "copium". Damn you're a big loser
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Thats all you can say? Repeating your same comment, what a big loser you are, and it doesn't even make any sense. You're too stupid to give a good answer thats why you keep on going with that one word you recently learned "copium". Damn you're a big loser.
You know you won when the other person only replies with very few words that doesn't even make any sense.
Likely.
For something longer lasting it is properly better to wait for the new AMD AM5 coming later this year, with AMD the boards generally last longer and they have pretty much promised it will also be the case with the new platform. One can of course also go for the current AM4 platform from AMD only that is nearing the end of the line, it looks there will be only one new version of CPU's for it and it may not be a full range at that. Still if running a AM4 board now it could be worth waiting for.
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Yeah agree 100%.
another delusional thread about someone who thinks gear will make him s1mple... Retarded consumer, dont give a shit about the environment, just buy and consume u ignorant shit, i play on a pc that is almost 15 years old now and im still better than people who spent over 5k
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I don't intend to become a professional player. Actually i wanna improve pc to play games such as monster hunter world, not cs.
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yeh right
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Why the attitude?
If you don't like the thread then just ignore it or at least be friendly about it.
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Relatively low price for you xaxa. I gotta pay college and daily things like gym, alcohol, public transport pass, etc.
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Gratz ^^
go look up Gamer nexus's videos on all 3. I would recommend the i3-12100f if you're gonna use it for gaming, it's the best budget option rn. definitely not worth an extra 100 euros for a 12400 over a i3-12100 if you're mostly gonna be playing games and not like doing blender renders etc.
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Yep, check#125. Ty bro
bonkers
Hi, how far are you trying to go in CS:GO ?
If it's just for fun get the cheapest rig that will do the Job. If it's semi-serious then spend triple that.
If you have a raging hard-on to go for Pro then you are going to need to spend lotsa wonga.
Between £2K to £4K at the moment, due to shortages.
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I don't even play much cs, and i dont aim to compete, just have fun. Ps: you can go pro without having 500 fps if you got talent (which i dont)
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For having Fun get an i-5 or AMD equivalent, that way you won't get the rage sickness plus get the very best RAM & GPU u can afford.
Trying to go Pro without a Lan Monster PC is an exercise in futility. It just leads to rage. Practice leads to Talent, don't ever let anyone tell you different. Pro's Practice All Of The Time.
If funds are super tight then AMD 3600 type setup. Wish you luck.
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Once again, im not interested in trying to go pro. Once again, many pros have gotten there without "lan monster pc"
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Thats over 200 euros more than the i3, and 100 more than the i5.
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As if that i5 wasn't enough for the next 7 or 8 years.
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I bought 5600x on release. My brother bought 10400F on release. I have not regretted one day and everything runs smooth. My brother felt almost immediately that his cpu is underpowered for todays gaming. It very much depends if you want to run low settings or somewhat quality and ofc your gpu matters alot. Better fps today means more lifespan for your investment. But you do you.
11400 or 12400, not sure if it's worth paying 100 more to get 12400
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i7 6700K
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Yes, still rocking on delided 6700K at 4.9 :D Beast
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12400 is like 50 euros more than 12400. Not sure the 11400 is the best bang for my bucks, that'd probably be the 12400 or even the 12100, depending on what you want to get from em.
I got i5 10400F few days ago, it's freakin' amazing, so go for 11400
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Currently i dont stream, and my fps? 1280x960 everything high - 250-400fps mm
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