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Is mm worse than before?
s1mple | 
CIS KillGalore4 
I don't play a ton but I do every now and then. I decided to duo queue with a friend today for 3 games. What a waste of time that would be. Also the most tilted i have been in a long time Game 1: Face decent opponents play decently myself nothing special. But have a griefing kid who blocks everyone on the team and trying to get us killed so we lose (sidenote he went like 6 and 20 something). Game 2: Face a waller who cannot physically 1 tap faster. Had a cheater on my team but he turned off after 4 rounds realizing even with cheats we are screwed. So gg to that 2 games I cant do shit in. Game 3 : Face a 5 stack with 1 cheater on their team who is blatantly running and insta double headshotting with a negev. My team : 2 gold novas an mge and then me and my friend :supreme and i double deranked in these 3 games . I didn't think it was possible but mm has gotten worse and its already a cheating shit show in even lem to global prolly even le. What was your mm experience today and is it just today or has mm gotten worse and im only realizing now because when i do play i trio queue because i have a smallish number of mm games in the last while.
2022-01-16 22:46
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Austria lexxotex
dont know only play faceit cause 128 > 64 tick. And also faceit ranking system > Valve ranking system
2022-01-16 22:47
12 replies
ye agreed glicko 2 is the most dumb ranking system ever it literally ranks wins differently according to how many games you play
2022-01-16 22:49
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Austria lexxotex
It is just mega brain dead
2022-01-16 22:50
9 replies
even faceit is mega degen with 5 stacks who have premuim so it insta vetos to fucking d2and mirage the whole day.
2022-01-16 22:51
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Austria lexxotex
I play with prem and dont q for mirage or dust 2 so I sadly cant relate
2022-01-16 22:52
7 replies
bro marry me someone who doesnt queue for mirage and d2. I like mirage its just spammed every pug and its so annoying and boring. It also makes shit players seem decent imo. Put those idiots on nuke they will be lost.
2022-01-16 22:53
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Austria lexxotex
I q with 2-4 of my friends in premium either for ancient, inferno or vertigo. Mirage is just overplayed and I just hate dust 2 in general
2022-01-16 22:54
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i have always hated d2 but mirage is a good map but like you said overplayed asffffffffffff.
2022-01-16 22:55
2022-01-17 02:21
3 replies
Hey zmo love the vids man, been watching since s1mple trash talks ayken. Helps us english guys understand some clips that we have no chance understanding otherwise.
2022-01-17 07:37
2 replies
haha nt Kirill
2022-01-17 08:43
1 reply
? why would boomb4 be on hltv ?????????????
2022-01-17 17:44
Mm ranks are way more exciting
2022-01-17 02:54
Hungary ShadYyBoy
The whole game sucks LMAO
2022-01-16 22:48
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Austria lexxotex
Well I guess you are on the wrong side of the internet then
2022-01-16 22:50
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Hungary ShadYyBoy
I enjoy watching CS, but problem is I always get braindead teammates, and just cant get higher than lvl3 faceit alone, nowdays I got upset faster than I used to in CS as well, I need people to play with :/
2022-01-17 00:37
8 replies
so the game doesnt suck, but you and your teammates do
2022-01-17 01:06
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Hungary ShadYyBoy
im not teammates does
2022-01-17 01:50
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>and just cant get higher than lvl3 faceit alone
2022-01-17 11:10
United Kingdom HuzzyBoii
that sounds like a you problem
2022-01-17 01:23
git gud seriously, average is lvl 5, not lvl 3. lvl 3 means you didn't move anywhere after registration.
2022-01-17 02:25
So the game sucks, including it’s mechanics, meta, balancing etc because you didn’t specify Because you don’t get good teammates? The most they would be is a community problem
2022-01-17 02:55
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Hungary ShadYyBoy
why is everyone so fucking tilted and serious on this website? of course it was a half-joke, I wouldn't be here if I did not enjoy playing CS, just saying can't do shit in soloq. Actually I could, If I would still 15 years old and want to play CS the whole day, but after 1 shit game with braindead teammates, I don't wanna waste my time with more, and it doesn't matter if I frag 30+
2022-01-17 16:34
I feel your pain bro. Its hard to get far on soloq.You realy need some decent players bcs there are many smurfing guys on Faceit... But i soloq like 90% of my games and get to lvl 7 with 150 matches. Im global on mm to be fair to say it too
2022-01-17 12:05
you are right, FPS games suck dick
2022-01-17 02:50
Austria Ostmark
haven't seen a lot changed it's annoying to face 4-5 stacks while playing alone but it was the same years ago
2022-01-16 22:50
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2022-01-17 02:56
mm servers are so bad it doesnt feel good playing
2022-01-16 22:51
Even if it has gotten worse, you won't be able to make a judgement after 3 matches, the statistical variance is just too large.
2022-01-16 22:53
Haven't seen any cheaters in last 10 games I think The only bad experience is the guy who missed his shots into someone with his back turned and then rage quited with score being 11-5 for us As you can see, not even that bad, just sad that we lost
2022-01-16 22:54
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what rank? not that rank means alot with how fucked it is.
2022-01-16 22:57
Valve doesn't give a shit, what the fuck are they thinking. Make the game better you fucking idiots
2022-01-16 22:56
Europe JohnnyPayn
Agreed mm is pretty much unplayable at this point On my main I get only cheaters especially when they get rekt they start to turn on or if game gets close Created a smurf but got reported so much for simply being better that I am now yellow or red trust factor so I only play against cheaters again
2022-01-16 23:06
I don't meet cheaters ever but I have noticed that there are way too many people that seem to be playing on boosted accounts. I'm only MGE and I had a DMG on my team who was just playing like shit but not like wiffing shots and he has the crosshair but loses fights, no, he was like walking around like he didn't know what the fuck he was doing crosshair was all over the place, movement was bad. Another is my own fault, I love office but fucking hell is it unplayable right now cuz of the festering disease of just Russians everywhere when you play that map like it's got everything, the weird letters, the loudness, the ignorance. I have a lot more luck on Inferno but usually only at like 6pm to 8pm even then it's not always great.
2022-01-17 00:43
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Same happend to a friends of mine hes a super smart guy hes like 17 but like an actual genius he is already finished with highschool and 1 year into uni and he did extra A levels.And so him being super smart and having a great mind for the game he is actually without any warmup at all even better than some tier 2 pro's but every account he makes he plays and in his placements he recently got le the highest or second highest you can get from placements and he got red trust and so he plays vs spinbots all day and so decides after 2 or 3 frustrating days of only spinbotters buys some cheat and spins vs spinbotters till he gets banned but he doesnt cheat vs legits. Also from when i played with him when hes legit the number of time he will turn on walls and will say people are tracking or following people through walls insane and sure enough when i check the demos he is not lying. As in he just uses walls to see if they cheating and wont kill anyone while he has it on and either starts spinning vs a blatant or closet cheater or turns it off and starts playing normally.
2022-01-17 01:26
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~super smart ~plays mm
2022-01-17 02:30
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He plays like 20 games in months because hes in uni and wants to be super successful and he often comes back to cs with a new account like 5 months later.
2022-01-17 07:39
I think mm is way better than before right now. cheaters are actually rare in my NA server. Try to play on a different server, avoid playing the server that is near China ( just so many stupid Chinese kids like to cheat) I'm the silver one which is the best ranking ever in mm, you don't expect any cheater to play on this ranking, only smurfs which is just fun to play.
2022-01-17 00:50
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no shit you dont meet cheaters at silver 1. This goes for all regions
2022-01-17 00:56
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Maybe, therefore silver 1 is the best place ever. When I get to try to lose the rank and rerank to silver 1 again. Feels good to play with smurfs even I am a smurf myself.
2022-01-17 00:57
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I'd rather just play another game if I have to keep deranking to the lowest ranks just to have a legit game.
2022-01-17 00:58
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That is why I just came back to CSGO 2 days ago. I moved to Dota2 which is even worse than CSGO, a bunch of stupid Spanish speakers who laughs at us.
2022-01-17 01:00
India aR__
Impossible to reach GE unless you have very high trust factor and prime. Too many blatant spinbots after LE
2022-01-17 00:51
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yea nah anything past le esp for my region its rare to not get cheaters and shit teamates.Its not very difficult to not get a cheater but to dodge that and shit teamates if you solo its fucking impossible.
2022-01-17 01:12
It depends. When your trust factor is high you have nice games. But if you accidentally queue with some toxic people (not necessarily cheaters), their lower trust factor affects the whole lobby. And then you get games against blatant cheaters or masters of timings.
2022-01-17 01:00
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toxicity doesn't factor into trust factor only the likeliness of cheating. this was confirmed by a valve dev a while ago.
2022-01-17 01:02
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Reporting for Abusive communication lowers trust factor.
2022-01-17 01:58
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no it doesnt Valve Dev in response to "I think it’s fucking stupid that the same feature filters both toxicity and likeliness of cheating." - Trust does indeed exclusively filter for likeliness of cheating.
2022-01-17 02:02
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Ok. You convinced me. You are right. Thank you
2022-01-17 11:55
United States cmohr
they probably werent cheating most likely you suck and had to cope
2022-01-17 01:19
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I was born with 2 eyes and a brain that functions normally he was walling. How do i know because every aspect of his game was trash but somehow as soon as someone got close to him he suddenly looks to an odd angle on weird timings. On top of this you can tell somebodies intent by their movement if you aren't actually blind and his intent was walking around looking at walls pre aiming nothing and all of a sudden let me hold this angle.Also did you forget the fact that i said he was headshotting me at inhuman speeds and he had more ping than me i had 25-30 he had like 50-60.
2022-01-17 01:41
Also can i just say as a person who has been watching pro cs for 3 years now I think I can tell someone is cheating or not lmao .Esp considering I have watched countless s1mple demos watching his rotations and insane game sense.
2022-01-17 01:48
faceit is worse for sure when it comes to nerd virgin rage and toxicity, less cheaters tho
2022-01-17 01:24
you forgot that they dont even give comms anymore, mm is a shitshow currently
2022-01-17 01:42
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Where i live 90 percent of people comm but their comms are dogshit with little to no info.
2022-01-17 01:49
I don't know, I've been playing since 2020, I don't get many cheaters, but the rank system sucks, even if you have bad matches if you win a lot, you'll go up, but if you have a lot of good matches but lose, you go down in rank, what's the logic that? wtf. And the ban system is also bad, one day I was temporarily banned for "playing with a cheater", although I found it randomly in MM, friend you can't go banning people for that kind of thing when your anti cheat is terrible
2022-01-17 01:43
With almost 550 wins, I get maybe 1 cheater every 70 games. Fuck russian kids and quitters though
2022-01-17 01:52
Hungary ShadYyBoy
Fiat sciento
2022-01-17 01:53
United Kingdom justdam
I dont get many cheaters when playing consistently, however my friedn plays inconsistantly and seems to get more cheaters
2022-01-17 02:11
mm is broken few months ago i played a game ranks were : my team: LE (me) gold nova master guardian DMG gold nova enemy team (5 stack): supreme supreme LEM Global LE obviously got 16-0ed never played MM after that game !
2022-01-17 02:15
you have prime and good trust factor?
2022-01-17 02:17
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any system can be abused. to break valve's system only thing players need to do is abuse the reporting system. then a player will have low trust factor for no reason at all. for example, reporting for griefing or abusive comms. you can play a game properly, but still get reported for griefing and still get a ban for getting too many griefing reports.
2022-01-17 18:45
Hi OP, I don't know if you are refering to the cheating problem, or the griefing part of your teammates, but this crossed my mind just the other day and yes my experience is that toxicity of the guys who are put in your team has escalated compared to say one/two or some years ago. In MM right now it feels like there is someone in your team doing something every round, either griefing, AFKing, or just leaving the game. You kind of enter the game EXCPECTING to play 4on5 (or 4on4 if the same applies to the opposing team) and I don't recall it being like that some time ago.
2022-01-17 02:18
sometimes maybe 2 out 5 games are good, mostly 1, the rest are either someone dc within the first half or toxic fighting brings down one of the teams and obviously the occasionally cheater
2022-01-17 02:37
mm sucks
2022-01-17 02:44
Grind a bit for good TF and mm is great
2022-01-17 02:56
It sure is
2022-01-17 02:57
2016 - 2017 the golden age
2022-01-17 02:59
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Poland GasparD707
Imo 2015- 2018
2022-01-17 08:48
Lithuania ashas
MM is just full of clowns these days. Ive soloQed basically all my CSGO career, my TF is good and a few years ago it was way easier to find chemistry and win matches, people had an idea how they should be approaching the game and they were concentrating on actually playing it way more, making calls etc. meanwhile now theres way more people who troll/give up after 2 lost rounds, they just dont know how to approach the game in general (perfect example is everyone just goes mid on mirage T side and have no idea what to do after taking it), there has to be at least 1-2 guys who wont comm shit and when they do that stuff is not gonna be game related or even when there are comms people wont be calling out and use their mics for other purposes. faceit isnt much better, people are trying to play the game and call out more, but its still not what I used to know and be a part of.
2022-01-17 03:09
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i think that the overall mental health of the community was much better back then. i think that at some point a "culture of toxicity" for the lack of a better word became popular in the game. its everywhere. you can go play a game of faceit and you'll still find these players there as well. on the other hand the game wasn't as popular a few years ago in russia as it is today. the vast majority of toxic players i've met have been russians. i've practically met probably less than a hundred players who were not russians and who've purposefully been mean to others in the game.
2022-01-17 18:40
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and before russians say others have been toxic to them: did you try speaking a language they understand to them? huh?
2022-01-17 18:48
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Lithuania ashas
fun fact, I moved from EU a few years ago and that more fun time was in EU, even with language barriers and stuff, it was decent in Oceania at the start, but its ass now. definitely its more to blame on a community than on the game
2022-01-18 00:45
I play faceit lvl 8-9 all the time and have no problem at all, but when I go MM i cant kill and struggling…the whole game feel weird,timings,peeks etc….even when I play against much lower ranks with friends im struggling
2022-01-17 03:32
India _Nexius
It only ever gets worse, I can only have normal games when playing in 4-5 stacks
2022-01-17 07:45
It get worse. in 2021 i played on DMG (all lobby was like DMG-LE-LEM) with 70% winrate or something. When new Operation Kicks in i got lost 2/3 games. And now i'm in mg1-2 with very toxic kids and cheeky opponents peeking every off angle. I buy all operations, major viewer pass, have skins, have games on acc and still my trust factor gone wrong when i drop 30k 2-3 games in a row. P.S Playing one-two games a week feels significantly better.
2022-01-17 08:36
I dont think so, i usually play a lot with my firends and 3-5 stack and its hella fun, no cheaters, no Griefers. You were just born in the wrong geographical place.
2022-01-17 08:53
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+1 facts?
2022-01-17 12:06
Mm is unplayable rn
2022-01-17 16:36
towa | 
Estonia rafio
it is ultimately better than a year ago at this time.
2022-01-17 17:46
mm died when they disabled voice chat during warmup/halftime/end of game
2022-01-17 17:51
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the trash talk was so funny that it was a highlight of the match.
2022-01-17 18:29
Netherlands SpiceNut
Don't have many problems with mm tbh
2022-01-17 18:26
MM is worth playing only if u drunk or just wanna chill ith music. Who dafuq takes this shit seriously.
2022-01-18 00:48
Trinidad and Tobago r41
bruh i just played mm i had 31 kills did so much work yet my teammate had 3 kills... ofc i lost 16-10 i just don't get how we're the same elo
2022-01-18 00:50
I think it's similar, but now there's probably more smurfing and probably more hacks too, I'm not sure about the hacks. But before there were also many toxics, perhaps the biggest difference is that now there are more smurfs and people say that there are also many hacks, I'm not sure if there are more hacks now
2022-01-18 00:57
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