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People who think NiKo #3
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Norway non_radical_leftist_guy 
What are you basing it on? The ONLY thing he's ahead of sh1ro in is stats in LAN events. NiKo 0 MVPs while sh1ro has 3(?). Sh1ro's team also won s tier events while G2 hasn't won anything in 2021. On top of that, sh1ro is ahead overall in rating. And yes, I know, that the events Gambit won were ONLINE events and not LAN events. But they are STILL S TIER events, they won IEM Katowice etc, it's just that unfortunately we have COVID, so S tier events were played online instead.
2022-01-17 14:06
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niko #4
2022-01-17 14:07
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Estonia Nigatoni
Frozen 1 MVP but not on the list
2022-01-17 14:08
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So you're gonna compare a mouz player to a gambit player who won more tournaments than frozen got out of groups in?
2022-01-17 14:10
13 replies
the point is, frozen>ropz but ropz is somehow in the top20
2022-01-17 14:12
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frozen>ropz? Why do you think that lmao?
2022-01-17 14:15
2 replies
they're close but ropz has been baiting for the vast majority of last year, blameF style
2022-01-17 14:18
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Well, now you know that HLTV actually likes baiters
2022-01-17 14:20
But frozen>ropz is just wrong, u literally can compare stats by urself and chrck it
2022-01-17 14:16
frozen is mr inconsistent when you compare him with ropz. btw ropz was way better than him on LAN so just stop
2022-01-17 14:16
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Slovakia faldeathW
who are you? you have higher stats than frozen? maan you are not pro but this players are, so be dont be cocky and arrogant, frozen is insane bro he should be on list instead of elige, but elige is good player too, so please be quite about this
2022-01-17 15:45
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lmao wtf are u talking about? this thread was about sh1ro vs niko not about frozen. and this guy start talking about frozen. but mouz achieved nothing in this year, thats why ropz got ranked #19, when he had one of the highest ratings
2022-01-17 18:59
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Estonia Nigatoni
My point was, obviously online MVPs are not that that important. If they were, frozen would be in the top20
2022-01-17 16:16
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Estonia Nigatoni
hltv.org/stats/players/9960/frozen?start.. hltv.org/stats/players/18053/broky?start.. Frozen 1 MVP, broky 0, but still he didnt make the list
2022-01-17 16:18
if online events / mvps arent important, why did electronic get ranked behind ax1le and hobbit?
2022-01-17 19:00
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Estonia Nigatoni
Idk, It was just my shitty opinion
2022-01-17 23:42
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well its not shitty but i just think frozen was not a good example, because ropz played better than frozen and he got ranked #19. maybe he should've gotten #20 over broky, but tbh i expect that he will be in the "honorable mentions"
2022-01-18 00:42
maybe he will be top 5
2022-01-17 14:11
There is honestly NO WAY NiKo will get #3, I was 90% sure of it before but now after Electronic was ranked behind ax1le and hobbit, its really obvious that sh1ro is going to be #3. Honestly the only ppl I see who say that NiKo is for sure getting #3 are clueless silvers on reddit
2022-01-17 14:09
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Denmark nicram64
+1 With electronic top5 there could be chance for Niko top3 but not anymore - gambit had strong year and shiro was simply better
2022-01-17 14:12
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India psn46
Delusional Niko Fans thinks he's no. 3.
2022-01-17 14:09
The dude is definitely on top5, carried G2's lifeless corpse in the majority of 2021
2022-01-17 14:09
basing it off recency bias
2022-01-17 14:09
Niko 2 shiro 3 zywoo 4
2022-01-17 14:11
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World NukestrikE
That's literally impossible
2022-01-17 16:19
Ofc not nr 3 he's going to be number 2
2022-01-17 14:12
Shiro may go ahead of niko because you have to count online but everyone knows Online is full of shit.
2022-01-17 14:12
sh1ro will get #3 because electronic losing to ax1le and hobbit means online events matters almost as much as LANs so the only thing niko gets the better of sh1ro is LAN stats and they are taking this away from him. there is no way sh1ro loses 3rd spot to niko
2022-01-17 14:12
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wtf twin
2022-01-17 14:16
He DEFINITELY should be 3rd, sh1ro not top 7 in my book.
2022-01-17 14:13
tbh in fact NiKo has better overall stats (just slightly lower rating 2.0 due to sh1ro's useless dpr, but insane 1.32 vs 1.15 impact, 86 vs 75 adr, 1.23 vs 1.15 against top5, 1.23 vs 1.19 against top10 *so it means sh1ro was statpadding against weaker teams while NiKo was showing the best performance against the best*) but it won't be enough anyway I think. Just in my opinion NiKo is a much better player and that's it
2022-01-17 14:14
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Someone can be a better player, but the top 20 is based on how they performed in a specific year and tbh sh1ro has performed better this year, even though as most saw, NiKo's peak is higher and he's a higher carry when he's on point.
2022-01-17 14:17
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Gambit performed better than G2, sh1ro didn't
2022-01-17 14:18
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Then you didn't watch CS in the first half of 2021
2022-01-17 14:19
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Poland Astoner55
I think he will be 4th and Sh1ro will be 3rd, but I have my fingers crossed for NiKo #3, just because he did it all with a rifle, as opposed to S1mple, ZywOo and Sh1ro, and I would love to see some appreciation for that, as we all know (even pros say it themselves) that AWP is much easier to have big stats than a rifle, and NiKo is probably the best pure rifler on earth right now.
2022-01-17 14:15
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Serbia dziggy13
+1
2022-01-18 01:58
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Europe JohnnyPayn
ofc niko has better stats sh1ro's rating is all based on 0.55 DPR because he saves his fkn awp all the time anyone who disagrees is delusional
2022-01-17 14:15
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0.52 dpr to be precise kek
2022-01-17 14:17
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Europe JohnnyPayn
rough
2022-01-17 14:18
Lmao, this is the most recent opinion I see clueless silvers have. "sh1ro is not good, because he plays awp and plays passive" Yes hes not on the level of zywoo and s1mple, but hes still insane, and also very strong at clutching so it makes sense for him to play passive
2022-01-17 14:19
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Europe JohnnyPayn
actually stupid to think inflated stats by awp savers that never die because they always save are meaningful in any way why tf u think his impact rating is that bad
2022-01-17 14:20
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Yes you're right that dying less boosts rating slightly, but not nearly as much as you think .
2022-01-17 14:23
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Europe JohnnyPayn
anyways this whole thread is stupid if you look at stats alone 0nly .03 rating diff for shiro but .17 impact and over 10 adr for niko ... which is just LOTS better + he did it with rifles which imo should count for something aswell as awp taxes eco etc. and don't forget lan and top 5 10 20 diff ... sh1ro farmed some shit events actually when listing all this i don't think there is any world where sh1ro can place 3rd
2022-01-17 14:26
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Hahahaha, you do realize that the impact rating and ADR is ACCOUNTED FOR in the overall rating? Its rly dumb to compare the adr and impact rating of än aggressive rifler to a passive awper. Sorry but youre rly clueless
2022-01-17 14:27
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Europe JohnnyPayn
ofc i know its accounted for doesn't take away from the fact that each individual stat matters easy on calling others clueless you might have gotten yourself into a bruhmoment there buddy
2022-01-17 14:27
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Dude, it does not make sense to compare the ADR and Impact rating of a super aggressive rifler to a passive clutch awper. First of all, riflers NATURALLY has a higher adr, thats just how it is And super aggressive riflers like NiKo usually has a higher impact rating as well I will agree, that playing awp and having that role makes it a bit easier to get a very high rating. I don't think it's possible for a rifler to get a rating like ZywOo and s1mple consistently. But you're exaggerating how "easy it is" with an awp soo fking much.
2022-01-17 14:35
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Europe JohnnyPayn
you compare stats here not roles your whole fucking argument does not matter at all if it did then as you said awpers and riflers shouldn't even be compared its no coincidence that awpers where top of the board for the last 4 years of pro cs
2022-01-17 14:39
Skillwise Niko top 3 with ease but if you account for everything else, yes, he's top 5 and no more
2022-01-17 14:17
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Europe JohnnyPayn
top5 now? lmao
2022-01-17 14:18
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I mean IN the top 5, not necessarily on the #5 spot
2022-01-17 14:19
Why do you say "ahead of Sh1ro"? Sh1ro is going to be #2, ZywOo #3 and NiKo #4.
2022-01-17 14:18
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Sh1ro wont be #2 because : ZywOo has a significantly better performance BOTH online, on LAN and overall in the entire year. Also, ZywOo has a MVP and a tournament win, while NiKo has none.
2022-01-17 14:29
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Yes, ZywOo has ONE tournament, and ONE MVP, how many does Sh1ro have?
2022-01-17 15:42
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1 S tier MVP
2022-01-17 15:47
But isn't sh1ro #2?
2022-01-17 14:19
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Finland autism@exe
i tought Niko would be 3 but i frogot he wasnt alive before major so sh1ro 3 fo sho
2022-01-17 14:19
sh1ro's stats are inflated because gambit also played some shit tournaments
2022-01-17 14:19
as one analyst said people might be overreacting to NiKo's performance throughout the year because of this last 3 month on lan's which were fantastic for him, but generally it is Shiro who should be 3rd
2022-01-17 14:22
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Europe JohnnyPayn
2022-01-17 14:31
Overratedwoo should be #4, Niko #2, Shiro #2
2022-01-17 14:26
Check my last thread and youll see why NiKo deserves #3
2022-01-17 14:29
I think the reason that NiKo could be behind sh1ro is just the way G2 doesn't win even without NaVi in the tournament. You might say "his team is trash" etc etc but 2018 s1mple had worse teammates ( jackz amanek nexa to flamie edward zeus) and he still win Cologne 2018 (beats Astralis and Crowd driven BIG). If NiKo even wins 1 trophy, just 1. i think he's above Sh1ro, personally i think NiKo should be higher but this is hltv's list not mine.
2022-01-17 14:33
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Finland grilli_
niko impact rating on lan 1.42, niko better against top 5 and top 10 opponents which means that shiros stats are ëlevated from games against worse opponents in online era if shiro somehow is ahead of niko this year its a robbery
2022-01-17 16:22
i will always love NiKo, but its true sh1ro top3 and niko top4
2022-01-17 16:25
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Sweden Rifile
Niko probably 4 this year unless they really really favors LAN. But since Elec is 7th i don't think they do,
2022-01-17 19:03
we are basing it on him being ahead shiro on lan stats which happen to be the only important stats since online era doesnt matter for shit
2022-01-18 00:49
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