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Europe Weijierr 
im sorry if somebody already posted this but if not take a look. youtube.com/watch?v=d8GAtCqeV9I
2022-01-18 14:28
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Why is the video so long? Only need first 5 seconds. And ofcourse he gonna say that
2022-01-18 14:30
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i mean hes not wrong if were talking LAN
2022-01-18 14:33
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Yes and I would love to see it as well. But unfortunately we're not only talking LAN. But deep down we all know who we would chose in our team))
2022-01-18 14:34
#47
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
Iirc Hobbit kept his stats in LAN. So top6 it is
2022-01-18 19:29
to see b0t-dll lose 1v1
2022-01-18 15:29
#41
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Italy PhilD06
bruh, i was about to write the same
2022-01-18 17:26
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because we are smart mens))
2022-01-18 17:32
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#46
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Italy PhilD06
yessir
2022-01-18 19:21
It would be nice with some arguments instead of just being like "he should be top 5"
2022-01-18 14:30
16 replies
its called an opinion dosent mean everyone agrees use ur brain
2022-01-18 14:32
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It's fair game to have an opinion, but WHY should he be top 5? And please don't be disrespectful, man
2022-01-18 14:51
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because he was good ovarall and won a major,igs,cologne,epl14 and more.electronic was a little bit worse then last year but he won 4/4 lan tournaments and one of them was a major.
2022-01-18 15:28
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#45
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World NukestrikE
thats team effort. that doesnt mean that he was individually top5 player. not saying that he actually isnt. only that achievments definitely shouldnt be the main factor
2022-01-18 18:07
#48
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
Those are arguments. Arguments that S1mple didn't deliver, therefore he made a comment.
2022-01-18 19:30
Main argument comes down to how much weight people put on LAN Personally I wouldn't have him top-5, the list is "top-20 of the year" not "top-20 of the year (((on LAN)))", however I totally understand that some people (including many pros and analysts) believe online results pretty much don't matter in comparison to LAN
2022-01-18 17:24
well even if he said some arguments people who want to disagree will it doesn't change
2022-01-18 14:37
Probably the same old "Without S1mple there, Electronic would be the star of the team." Many people say that Electronic would get loads of MVPs if S1mple didn't play on the same team, though they don't stop to think that without S1mple there would be no trophies. He didn't solo-carry events like both Ax1le and Hobbit did, so his placing as 7th makes sense imo. S1mple just wants to give extra credit to his teammates, arguing that Electronic deserves 5th is reasonable, above Ax1le and Hobbit, but putting him above anyone from Sh1ro, ZywOo, NiKo or S1mple himself is ridiculous, S1mple has to know that.
2022-01-18 14:41
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2022-01-18 15:29
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Electronic was inconsistent though, and he contributed less to the victories they got than Ax1le and Hobbit did to Gambit's victories. You can say "If HLTV valued big events and LAN even higher than they do ..." to put Electronic higher, but you can just as well say "If HLTV made less distinction between events ..." and put Electronic much lower. And I even said thinking he deserves to be above Ax1le and Hobbit is reasonable, I wouldn't claim him to be higher or lower either way, but S1mple said fifth place at least, and that's where he's wrong. Who between ZywOo, Sh1ro and NiKo would you say did not do far better than Electronic? Plus, you say replacing S1mple would not cost them many trophies, and that's completely unfounded. S1mple is the best player to have ever played the game, let's say you swap him with Sh1ro, the second best player of the year, and that somehow they perform equally well, Electronic would be even more important to the team, but they would only win as much as Gambit would, maybe MVPs being split equally over Sh1ro and Electronic, but those MVPs still don't put him above ZywOo or NiKo, so he remains fifth place only because Ax1le and Hobbit would be losing out on MVPs compared to S1mple. And that's even assuming they would perform equally well as they do now. With all those assumptions, Electronic still doesn't go any higher than fifth place.
2022-01-18 17:15
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I agree 5 is the max where I would put elec, or maybe 4 if Niko has comparable stats and elec had MVPs. I did not say replacing s1mple would "not cost many trophies", I think I said pretty much the same thing as you: they would win as much as Gambit. Then elec would get more MVPs and be ranked higher than 7. I had top 5 in mind actually. But also, in this case there would also be one more spot to fill in the top 20 (s1mple's). Assuming s1mple's replacement is comparable to sh1ro, it's possible elec would perform as well as that player and that he could get higher than 5th. But I agree that's a bit of a stretch. Also agree with the part about "that's assuming the rest of the team would play like they do now, but with s1mple", it's all hypothetical and we have no way of knowing.
2022-01-18 21:24
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Well, just removing S1mple from competition altogether would indeed push everyone up one rank, but if S1mple would suddenly die in a car crash or something (hypothetically) Na'Vi wouldn't find a good replacement and would probably not perform well at all. Though assuming they would, and they'd perform well, then yes, Electronic and the new AWPer would be competing for the higher spot. No S1mple means G2 would have won a bunch of events as well and NiKo might have snagged first place with his MVPs, with ZywOo and Sh1ro behind him, and then P0mple (S1mple's replacement) and Electronic on 4 and 5. With HObbit and Ax1le coming in after them. That still doesn't push Electronic any higher. He's a great player, but he'll never break into top 3 because he's simply not good enough. Dev1ce, S1mple, ZywOo and Sh1ro, and maybe soon M0nesy as well, the big star AWPers get in his way, and on a rifling role NiKo is always better too. It's the same problem with NiKo btw, he's great, the actual best rifler, but the star AWPers will always be the real stars. If you're not the AWPer you are going in with a disadvantage.
2022-01-18 21:44
but gambit is a 3 star lineup. there is no huge gap like between s1mple and electronic(and who am i kidding, even zyw0o looks teir2 compared to s1mple this year)so the mvps can split because there is no skill gap.
2022-01-18 15:36
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Exactly, and if you put Electronic in a situation like Hobbit and Ax1le then he would be ranked like Hobbit and Ax1le, which doesn't make a difference because that's where he's ranked anyway. At most on rank 5. Magically removing the skill gap doesn't make him a better player than the top 4 players as they are. So I said that rank 5 is reasonable, any higher is ridiculous, his skill and consistency have not earned him a rank higher than 5.
2022-01-18 17:18
"if S1mple didn't play on the same team, though they don't stop to think that without S1mple there would be no trophies" ??? navi definetly won, and still could win trophies without s1mple(though prob less). Elec is a monster of a player and he can def solo carry hltv.org/events/5147/ice-challenge-2020 1.36 rating
2022-01-18 17:24
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They won before S1mple with a completely different line-up, just like completely different teams also win sometimes without S1mple. And the current Na'Vi is good enough to win even when S1mple has an off-day, but an off-day for S1mple is still a 1.19 rating. There's no way to know how Na'Vi would perform if they replaced him, even with Sh1ro or M0nesy or Jame, or whichever AWPer they could play with. Electronic is very good, but the only way to prove he can do it without S1mple is to do what Dev1ce did: join a different team. So far it hasn't worked out for Dev1ce, and I doubt it would work out well for Electronic.
2022-01-18 17:56
i agree with s1mple
2022-01-18 14:31
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Ukraine Slavv_Boss
Yeah well, personally i dont think elec was good enough to be in top 5
2022-01-18 14:31
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Yeah belong top 3
2022-01-18 15:36
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Namibia Watame
True, he was inconsistent start of the year
2022-01-18 22:03
should have let him have some mvps maybe...
2022-01-18 14:32
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But he wanted to break device record
2022-01-18 15:37
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can't break devve record if no more than 4 major wins smh
2022-01-18 15:39
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You don't know what I am talking about
2022-01-18 16:04
totally understandable. but it obv takes from the rest of the team. i think that every navi player knows that they never will step out of the shadow of s1mple as long as in navi. but i think navi pay well enough to overlook this "flaw"
2022-01-18 15:40
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Pay enough? I wouldn't care at all as long as win millions prize money in a year. Everyone would.
2022-01-18 16:06
what did he say? sorry i cant play the video
2022-01-18 14:32
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"electronic should be top 5, i agree with you, at least top 5 for sure."
2022-01-18 14:34
he had a (relatively) rough first half of the year. there was no way he was going to beat out niko, sh1ro, or zywoo, and hobbit was more consistent during the whole year (and got 2 mvps). ax1le was also inconsistent, but generally had higher peaks (also got 2 mvps). elec is pretty much a top 5 player in the world, he just didn’t have the mvps and individual consistency to back that up this year.
2022-01-18 14:35
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+1 Like if we consider the overall stats for the year and the big events, Ax1le/Hobbit had better individual stats as well as more individual achievements (MVPs/EVPs). If we were just talking about potential, Electronic is a 1.20+ rated rifler on LAN since 2018. He's definitely a Top5 player for me, just like Niko is a Top3 player for me too. However, if the actual performances of the entire year don't back that up, we can't reasonably expect any other results.
2022-01-18 14:38
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this is true but I can also think of counter arguments hltv keeps saying LAN and big events are what matters most, because lan is the true test of skill, and big events are when the top players face eachother on LAN and at the major especially, elec has a much higher rating than Hobbit and Axile he also has a lot of EVPs, including high quality tourneys What I think people mean when they say "without s1mple, elec would have lots of MVPs" is not "if we replace s1mple by someone much worse than elec, elec would be the star and navi would still win a lot" (as #14 suggests). s1mple is an exceptionally skilled player, he could be replaced by a very good player and NaVi would still be strong and win trophies, but elec would have a better chance at getting the MVP. Like in Gambit: sh1ro is not on s1mple's level, so other very good players have a better chance of getting MVPs and the team is still strong.
2022-01-18 15:28
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Just one point - it is only because of his LAN performances that he is Top7 and b1t is Top9. If LANs weren't given huge weightage, they would be a lot lower. Apart from that, it is debatable. But I don't really agree with what you said, especially for Navi. Just compare Navi with b1t vs Navi with Flamie. And these 2 players didn't even play the important roles on the team. If replacing b1t with flamie means that Navi barely wins a couple of events, can you imagine what replacing s1mple with a worse AWPer who performs worse than Electronic statistically, means? s1mple has been a consistent 1.30+ rated player since last 4 years in a row, and people just take it for granted. If we replace that, it would be catastrophic for the team. I don't think Navi would even be in regular contention for titles and thus Electronic wouldn't have any MVPs either. Look at Niko since the past few years, for instance. Even he barely manages to win any MVPs.
2022-01-18 15:42
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Ok that makes sense too. But I think flamie was a real weakness of the team, he was not reliable on most positions, he wasn't training hard enough, and he had lost motivation. This must be discouraging for the other players as well. IMO putting a solid awper who grinds and has a good mindset (but not 1.3+ rating) in place of s1mple would be very different from putting flamie back inplace of b1t.
2022-01-18 21:16
I don't want to argue I just want to say a point CSGO is a team game in the end. The better team wins and the best player gets the mvp. Agree? So tell me one thing, when Gambit were a better team in Feb-June, they got the mvps. NaVi didn't win anything but 2 tournaments till then and they had like 4 I think. So what I wanna say is, when they were a better team, they had a chance to win. But when Navi were the better team, there's basically no room for electronic to get the mvp because to put it simply, S1mple exists. Are you getting my point here? Better Team+Not a superstar teammate= more chance for mvp Better Team+ one of the two literal GODS of the game=no chance of MVP Ik that neither s1mple, elec, or anyone in the NAVI org feels bad for this but seriously HLTV took the MVP thing into consideration more than anyone with a sane mind would agree not to. For context, hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01.. Dev1ce has equal rating to elec, more than B1t plus a LAN mvp. Then he should be higher than both according to the HLTV logic. I think I explained my point well... Well it's for you if you don't disagree but I had to say this
2022-01-18 14:56
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Iceland suriel666
agree. Hobbit/Axile were good first half of the year, but were much worse second half, when LANs became a thing, while electronic turned the fuck up on LAN. It's quite balanced out, he was ~0.09 worse than them in the first half with online cs, but was ~0.1 - 0.13 better on LAN. And since HLTV claims to value LANs over Online, his rating on LAN should also have a higher weight and make him top 5. but other than that, i guess electronic himself doesn't give two shits about if he's #7 or #5 .. he had his most successful year in 2021 and surely will continue with that , as long as there's LANs, as he's consistently ~1.20 on LAN
2022-01-18 15:23
He said "at least" top-5, and i mean does he really think that electronic could be top-4 or top-3 this year? XD
2022-01-18 15:27
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Denmark NipoCS
I agree with s1mple, online shouldn't be hold as high as lan. s1mple is like malone very flashy player, but then there's electronic kinda like stockton that makes them win a lot with his big brain and natural talent for the game.
2022-01-18 16:09
that top is irilevant and just made for alll of you casual silvers player who rate by stats and have no clue about high level cs. this top 20 is totally flawded and just mean shit..
2022-01-18 16:10
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxyownz
i aren't think so. maybe top 6 at best, but i think 7 is good
2022-01-18 17:18
+1 i agree he should be top1 and s1mple top7
2022-01-18 17:20
player boosting another teammate WOW THATS HUGE NEWS
2022-01-18 17:21
Yeah i would have to agree on 5th
2022-01-18 17:25
hltv.org/stats?startDate=2021-01-01&endD.. just look at this stats he is sure top 5 player
2022-01-18 18:04
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#49
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
Nice play with stats hltv.org/stats?startDate=2021-01-01&endD.. Now he isn't even top7. Look at the stats fairly. Hobbit was better all through the year and had LAN performances backing him up. Ax1le was overplaced in 5th, but still got higher and more consistent peaks
2022-01-18 19:33
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all matches ? are u fucking kidding me ? who cares about tier 2 3 events
2022-01-19 14:25
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
Top20 so only T1 teams.
2022-01-19 15:13
Recency bias looks like everyone forgot how he was playing in the first half of 2021 till iem Cologne. Not saying he was bad but 1.06/1.09 rating is pretty bad compared to his usual standards.
2022-01-18 19:39
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