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M4A1-S or the AWP?
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North America soduk_db 
Which is more OP right now and needs a nerf? The AWP is a staple in CS and was always meant to be OP IMO.
2022-01-19 07:54
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#1
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Belgium bbi
The cz needs a nerf
2022-01-19 07:55
1 reply
revolvo too
2022-01-19 08:45
#2
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Australia B_Tannen
a1-s considering the low price point.
2022-01-19 07:56
7 replies
both m4 prices to 3000 and no awp nerf :)
2022-01-19 10:39
6 replies
#62
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Australia B_Tannen
$3100 for a1-s would be good.
2022-01-19 11:30
just make both 3100 like it has almost always been, even in 1.6 and source they were 3100, no point to have changed it in the first place
2022-01-19 12:36
I think if they switched the price around it would be perfect: people who still prefer the M4A4 would have a reason to have it equipped and people who like the current M4A1S will just have to pay a little more for its added power
2022-01-19 12:50
3 replies
actually this. this is the best solution tbf.
2022-01-19 12:59
+1
2022-01-19 13:02
+1
2022-01-19 21:00
#3
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Finland Acoz
Aurelion sol.
2022-01-19 08:00
5 replies
#6
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Europe JohnnyPayn
go play against yumi yone or viego literal dogshit cancer champs
2022-01-19 08:09
2 replies
yone is easy to beat early but yuumi and viego need remove
2022-01-19 08:27
1 reply
#36
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Europe JohnnyPayn
"easy to beat early" ... well thing is if ppl know how to play safe this champ just becomes retarded u dont even need kills just get well farmed and one shot adc / mage from 5 million range distance then safely go back to ur clone
2022-01-19 09:34
+1
2022-01-19 08:50
kkkkkkkkkkk , poor Aurelion sol mains
2022-01-19 09:36
nerf m249 fast
2022-01-19 08:04
#5
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Canada JC_123
what? Awp ofc
2022-01-19 08:07
a1s
2022-01-19 08:09
AWP isn't really OP, imo. A1s can be nerfed by increasing the price a little.
2022-01-19 08:10
3 replies
It's not "OP", but the economy's been made way easier in CSGO and it's easy to get an AWP. The "save meta" developed by people like Jame and Shiro makes it even more obnoxious.
2022-01-20 08:21
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Economically: The cost/kill-reward ratio for AWP is several times bigger than almost every weapon in the game, which makes it economically hard to carry an AWP. In addition, an AWPer typically consumes 6.5K-7K Dollars of team investment, which means that losing an AWP hurts the team economy a lot, and buying one is not easy. Mechnically: There are several shortcomings with an AWP too. People often complain about angle-holding, but fail to realize that with an AWP, you literally have to hit the shot in 1 attempt, on the upper body. Unlike a rifle, where you can adjust the aim, tap and spray, even drag a spray and spam, you can't do anything like that with an AWP. You can't take multiple people on at once with an AWP, cuz even if you hit the first shot, you'd be immediately traded before you can reload another bullet. If you miss a shot, you're dead in an aggressive fight - you won't get a chance to adjust/reload. Because of this, AWP becomes almost useless in site-retakes by CTs. And similarly on T-side, you can't hard entry consistently with an AWP (you can do it with almost every other weapon). Meta: Yes, this is the only thing that makes the AWP somewhat overpowered to farm stats. Unlike the past aggressive AWPers like FalleN/s1mple/JW/kennyS, etc, when Astralis reinvented the way CS was played, everything changed. We moved from a more aggressive mechnical skilled - CS, to a cold and calculated, percentage-based, heavy stratting and anti-stratting based, heavily tactical and timings oriented CS. They were the first to introduce the "angle-holding" and "save meta" (savestralis meme). Some CIS teams took that to the next level. sh1ro and Jame are one side of that.
2022-01-20 10:10
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You're acting like you're dead immediately if you miss with an awp. Even in high level play, missing an awp shot isn't the end of the world if you have decent positioning and fall back to another angle. On retakes there's usually a gun lying around so people can switch to a rifle. And the point of the new save meta is to minimize its weakness on retakes or almost hopeless rounds. It maximizes its early round potential by continually cycling it into the next round, and with the new economy you can keep buying the AWP even if you do manage to lose it. And it's not healthy for the game anymore in terms of viewing experience either. It went from an exciting weapon, to a boring weapon used by the most boring players in the game (Jame and Shiro). The only thing cool about Jame is his beard and the Jame time meme.
2022-01-20 21:19
m4a4 pass away ?
2022-01-19 08:14
Why nerf anything. The T side is getting a higher win % then ever before?
2022-01-19 08:26
4 replies
Yea exactly, why not nerf the ak
2022-01-19 08:30
#27
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Belgium bbi
No its not
2022-01-19 08:56
#33
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Ukraine Anhelick
wtf are u talking about? T side is harder to play even if m4a4 and m4a1-s will need 6 hits to kill in body. AK should be the most powerful AR in game. Now the throne is held by M4A1-S. It’s valve’s 1st april fool. AWP isn’t OP on pro scene. It’s quite hard to play versus AWP on faceit bc of stupid teammates, who are playing only mirage all the time and cann’t use smokes on other maps. It’s a huge problem, when u are playing on 7-10 lvls of faceit and there are the same players, that are playing on 1-6 lvls because ALL THESE GUYS ARE EQUAL IN SKILL +- AND CANN’T UP THEIR LVL. When I was playing several years ago on 2700 elo and even on 1750-2000 the guys were using smokes practically on the all maps. #nerfa1-s
2022-01-19 09:29
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true I was wrong to make such a bald statement the win % was higher before the m4a1s update but im also not going of mm and faceit stats thats just dumb becouse then you could say negev is OP and p90 is op and mac 10 is OP etc. but youre right that there needs to be a change but its hard to decide what to do if you make even the slightest chance to a gun like fire rate or dmg etc it changes the meta like it did with the aug and sg. I see a lot of people suggesting a price increase but with 200$ more it will not change the meta. so what change do you suggest?
2022-01-19 09:35
#12
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Sweden ZikEiBoY
i would use ak instead
2022-01-19 08:29
1 reply
#41
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United States shuck
+1 ak too op
2022-01-19 09:52
als
2022-01-19 08:31
#15
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Oceania xJ7
Maybe neither needs a nerf? It's not complicated. People calling for all these "balances" just haven't played very long. If anyone remembers, pub players used to say the awp was OP and so they'd ban it from their servers. It's just a nonsense 0 iq take on the game. If you think the awp needs a nerf, you're dog shit at the game. Sorry, that's just reality.
2022-01-19 08:32
1 reply
haha +1 (nevetheless m4a4 2900$ wouldn't hurt)
2022-01-19 09:12
#16
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Germany Fishykid
Somethong being OP always lowers the skill ceiling which is always bad for a "sport". So noone should give a fuck if it was always like that. Both should get nerfed, awp is worse tho
2022-01-19 08:32
6 replies
#17
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Oceania xJ7
Except the skill ceiling is so fucking high on the awp, lol. Do you even watch pro cs? Or do you just play pugs? Because your pug experience is worth less than braindead 14 year olds playing ESEA-O.
2022-01-19 08:34
5 replies
#43
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Germany Fishykid
Actually only watching pro matches and not playing myself anymore. And yes, i see that this gun in the right hands is unstoppable at times. 5 s1mples with a perfect executed go could get easily get rekt by 1 s1mple with awp at the right position
2022-01-19 10:28
4 replies
#46
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Oceania xJ7
lol no
2022-01-19 10:37
1 reply
#51
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Germany Fishykid
Do you even watch pro cs? Or do you just play pugs? Because your pug experience is worth less than braindead 14 year olds playing ESEA-O.
2022-01-19 10:47
wtf are you even trying to say lmao
2022-01-19 12:08
1 reply
#74
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Germany Fishykid
AWP is too strong
2022-01-19 12:33
need nerf on awp, box only holds 5 rounds
2022-01-19 08:36
#19
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Oceania xJ7
Realistically, the only gun that needs a nerf is the USP. This is obviously a hot take because players get so heated about it.
2022-01-19 08:36
4 replies
nerf running accuracy? rest dont really make sense, u need that 1hit hs kill to have any chance on pistol coz low utility.
2022-01-19 08:55
3 replies
#30
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Oceania xJ7
Running accuracy, stop time for accuracy. Something with the accuracy. It doesn't even have to be significant, just a slight tweak.
2022-01-19 09:18
2 replies
so u just want more rng to even the playfield coz u cant aim. maybe just hit the dm.
2022-01-19 12:06
1 reply
#101
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Oceania xJ7
Imagine being this small brained to think that I'm the one who can't aim.
2022-01-19 20:58
AWP Abusers of AWP is op
2022-01-19 08:40
m4a1 is so satisfying idc if its op i just love it
2022-01-19 08:42
1 reply
+1
2022-01-19 11:33
m4a1-s is more OP. You don't even need to control recoil anymore just aim anywhere near body and hold mouse 1. 4 shots anywhere kills anyone lul. It's even more deadly than 3 year old sg553/AUG.
2022-01-19 08:47
1 reply
replied by mistake
2022-01-19 09:19
#25
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Pakistan hawrU
buff r8
2022-01-19 08:53
bizon 64 bullets op. Nerf b4 people realise how op it is
2022-01-19 09:17
I see no issue with it at all. Im dead instantly against AK very often even I hit 91 in 1. Its just a better gun. When im trying to spam smoke with it T’s killing me very often too. In my opinion its absolutely alright now. T’s has a big advantage of economy+every 4v4 or less is better for them as well
2022-01-19 09:26
#34
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Denmark Mursten
Awp more op
2022-01-19 09:30
Switch the price of A4 and A1-s
2022-01-19 09:30
I would make the A1-S the same price as the A4. I wouldnt switch the prices. rather keep both at 3100 or 3000
2022-01-19 09:35
1 reply
i think both should be 2900, since the ct side economy is sh*t
2022-01-19 10:37
They should make AWP like it used to be, KennyS style AWP. jump and run and shoot XD
2022-01-19 09:37
saying awp needs a nerf is like saying the queen in chess is too op
2022-01-19 10:01
AWP is not overpowered but in my opinion, is underpriced, we are seeing players like s1mple and zywoo dominate the game, which is fine because they are both amazing players and it's not easy to AWP but I'd like to see the AWP become a more valuable asset that is more protected because they're less easy to replace with $$$ or there is a sacrifice to holding one such as no armour or less utility slots.
2022-01-19 10:33
3 replies
you wanna watch more jame time?
2022-01-19 11:50
2 replies
ye increasing the price of the weapon is going to result in more boring games
2022-01-19 12:32
1 reply
Or, more people buying rifles and going for it
2022-01-19 16:37
M4 At this point it’s ridiculous how ts are dropping their aks to pick up the a1s
2022-01-19 10:40
#49
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Namibia aimdemon
MP9
2022-01-19 10:40
#50
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Namibia aimdemon
Also buff the dogshit ass fucking trash ass fucking useless joke that is famas
2022-01-19 10:41
1 reply
The recoil and fire rate are so bad galil is so much better
2022-01-19 11:09
>AWP >OP choose one
2022-01-19 11:07
WHEN WILL BE THE ASIIMOV M4A1-S SKIN BE MADE ? ??????????????????????????????
2022-01-19 11:09
I think swap prices in m4 and make a1s 3k is enough
2022-01-19 11:08
increase awp to 5750 put both m4's into the buy menu
2022-01-19 11:09
ever played instagib? its a skill, not OP! you play both sides, ct and t, so there is no OP
2022-01-19 11:14
if you are faceit lvl 8 and above the ak is op
2022-01-19 11:18
#64
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Poland GasparD707
+300$ m4a1s price + make Aug/krieg good again, to have some point of buying it, like long range firepower (nuke outside long ranges etc.) + buff expensive weapons like m249, so we have a reason to play that sh1t + down Deagle accuracy while moving + get even 100$ reward of zeus kill. And we have a good balance.
2022-01-19 11:43
#72
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Brazil ShalkanG
mp5
2022-01-19 12:28
#81
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Australia rationale
Lots of people's brains here need a buff.
2022-01-19 12:43
Buff m4a4 or increase a1 price Awp 5 bullet magazine, 10/30 is too much Buff Famas Buff Bizon Buff Sawed off Buff revolver Buff mp5/mp7 Buff dualies
2022-01-19 12:46
#94
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China RADNIKEY
All is well
2022-01-19 14:32
#95
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Brazil nebpyhita
Stop trying to fix something that is already perfect Valve doesn't care about you, just do some random updates to say HELLO I'M UPDATING THE GAME and everybody still playing
2022-01-19 14:33
increase A1-S price to 3.1k, ez fix
2022-01-19 14:34
AWP of course. Look at all the top "players" (awp abusers) in hltv ranking bro...
2022-01-19 16:38
None, just make M4A1-S 3100$, ez fix
2022-01-20 08:12
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