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s1mple | 
Russia Reconstructor 
Wtf mans lmao Is it a joke? 1st april is still in future I hate how sh1ro play, he is boring, not fun, but wtf is this ranking lmao? Even s1mple robbery wasnt that huge as sh1ros. Is this some kind of sanctions since he is Russian? I think the man who made this rank should put his rank straight back in his a** lol and look at stats whole year
2022-01-20 01:45
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s1mple didn't get robbed
2022-01-20 01:45
49 replies
Hey ch0ko fanclown, i'm still waiting for your proof.
2022-01-20 01:49
47 replies
#20
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
There is no proof - it was a fair call in 2020 and same for 2019.
2022-01-20 02:03
46 replies
hltv.org/stats/players/11893/zywoo?start.. K/D Ratio 1.31 hltv.org/stats/players/7998/s1mple?start.. K/D Ratio 1.41 Hltv rankings should be based on individual performance and S1mple obviously had higher rating even if it's 0.01, zywoo got the just because he won more win teams. K/D and RATING is obviously higher for s1mple and yet he gets which s1mple got ROBBED.
2022-01-20 02:04
45 replies
s0mple fan mad kek
2022-01-20 02:11
25 replies
Bra7iL malding cause S1mple > Bra7iL
2022-01-20 02:12
24 replies
kkkkkkkkkkkkkk use all this anger to invade ukraine brother
2022-01-20 02:13
23 replies
Assuming that i'm Russian, brain checks out with flag. Goat s1mple > bra7iL cry is free.
2022-01-20 02:15
22 replies
#42
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
"GOAT" is also subject to opinion. You can be a fan and also respect other players, friend.
2022-01-20 02:30
20 replies
S1mple being a Goat is a proven fact and widely accepted amongst cs community.
2022-01-20 02:32
19 replies
#52
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
No, "GOAT" is not factual, it's a subjective title. If you don't understand how GOAT discussions work, then your bait has gone further out of control then I initially realised.
2022-01-20 02:44
18 replies
Those are again your emotional opinions which no one cares about so therefor irrelevant. Name me 1 person who is individually even close to the goat S1 himself.
2022-01-20 02:46
13 replies
#62
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Emotional opinions? If you don't know how GOAT discussions work, that is on you. I respect your opinion and I agree s1mple is the top GOAT contender but to claim that as factual is incorrect, no matter how you try and slice it.
2022-01-20 02:57
12 replies
“Goat contender” You literally proved how much of a hater you are to not accept what he has achieved individually compared to anyone in CS history, literally no one comes close and the only one to break his prime 2018 stats is himself 3 years later. Your opinions are still irrelevant since he is the greatest to ever do it thus making him the GOAT until someone does it better.
2022-01-20 03:02
11 replies
#67
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
If you think for one second I am "hating on s1mple", then you aren't reading my posts at all, are you? How ignorant do you have to be to assume being fair to every player and actually professing "GOAT" the way it's intended to be as hating on the guy? Blind fanaticism is one thing but at least have the audacity to read my posts and respect my opinion, like I do yours.
2022-01-20 03:06
3 replies
I don’t respect clear bias opinions. And also don’t speak about fanaticism when you’re clearly ignoring the fact that i proved your argument wrong by showing you proof and yet you still can’t accept S1mple was robbed. Goat meaning “Greatest of all time” fits only s1mple since he is the greatest to ever do it UNLESS you can name anyone who comes close to what he has achieved individually. So don’t tell me he is a “great contender”.
2022-01-20 03:19
2 replies
#79
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
"I don’t respect clear bias opinions." Yet yours isn't? Are you even reading your posts right now? "And also don’t speak about fanaticism when you’re clearly ignoring the fact that i proved your argument wrong by showing you proof and yet you still can’t accept S1mple was robbed." No you didn't, you provided reason as to why you think s1mple should be number 1 and that's fair enough - many are going to agree with you on that. What you continue to be blind to is that fact that ZywOo too had fantastic statistics and individual accolades alike s1mple - it was neck and neck, the closest Top 1 spot to date. "Goat meaning “Greatest of all time” fits only s1mple since he is the greatest to ever do it UNLESS you can name anyone who comes close to what he has achieved individually." Whether you like it or not, "GOAT" is forever contested and that is the exact purpose of a GOAT discussion - there are contenders for the prestigious title and it is up to ones own interpretation of the information to calculate. Currently, top contenders are Device and s1mple and each should be respected. I shouldn't need to teach this to a salty fan who can't even accept criticism without accusing others or hating, which is false.
2022-01-20 03:22
1 reply
classic s0mple fan it's ight man
2022-01-20 04:50
GOAT isn't only about individual achievments, it includes everything, team achievments, consistenty, how long he has been on T1 scene.
2022-01-20 03:14
6 replies
Yes when you’re speaking about team but that’s not the case here. My argument is about the greatest individual player with achievements to back it up.
2022-01-20 03:21
5 replies
No, it also applies to a player. Who cares if you are great individually if u can't lead your team to a trophies?
2022-01-20 03:27
3 replies
Because it's a team game and even if you're zywoo or s1mple you can't lead your team to victory if your team is not good enough.
2022-01-20 15:07
2 replies
Yes, it's a team game so team achievments are also important. "if you're zywoo or s1mple you can't lead your team to victory if your team is not good enough." But zywoo did that unless u want to say that 4 players at 1.00 rating or worse is "good enough"
2022-01-20 15:17
1 reply
Zywoo didn't do that quite yet since they have only won 1 trophie and that only when s1mple and navi weren't playing. If zywoo had electronic or b1t he would achieve same as s1mple but the game becoming more tactical it is impossible to win the whole game by your own. When you're speaking about one player and his individual skill you don't look at the team achievements you look at the player achievements.
2022-01-20 22:59
#83
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
The point being what I alluded to earlier - "GOAT" is a contested point, it is interpreted differently by everybody. Nobody is claiming that s1mple isn't the GOAT but assuming that there are no other GOAT contenders aside from only s1mple is poppycock - it's the sign of salty fanaticism, plain and simple.
2022-01-20 03:27
#115
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Croatia FoxerHR
I mean, it is widely accepted that S1mple is the GOAT of CSGO, the debatable part is if he's the goat of all of CS.
2022-01-20 23:34
3 replies
It is indeed widely accepted but it still isn't a factual statement - GOAT doesn't really work like that. I'm not disagreeing that s1mple isn't seen as a top GOAT contender, my argument was that believing nobody else to be and removing the opinions of others is completely unfair.
2022-01-21 00:36
2 replies
#120
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Croatia FoxerHR
He isn't seen as a contender, he is seen as the GOAT and not only that he is the GOAT.
2022-01-21 08:27
what contender ? the contest is over already, s1mple is regarded by most ex pros, current pros, casters etc let alone the fanbase of the game as the goat, this is no football like messi vs ronaldo, nobody is close to s1mple at this point in time.
2022-01-21 09:04
I was hoping you were ukranian actually kkkkkkkkkk
2022-01-20 03:21
#35
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
No, you're being salty for no apparent reason... Both s1mple and ZywOo deserves top spot for 2020 and ZyWoo had 6 MVP's to s1mple's 2 - the statistics were neck and neck.
2022-01-20 02:17
17 replies
Me proving you that s1mple got robbed is "salty" ??? You gotta check those emotions snowflake. Niko is literally above sh1ro having 0 trophies & 0 mvps where as Sh1ro has 3 mvps & big trophies???? Stats should be more important than trophies and s1mple had better rating and K/D and yet he is #2
2022-01-20 02:21
7 replies
#41
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
You cannot prove what is not the case, you're assuming ill intent on HLTV and you're being disrespectful to ZywOo by being a salty fanatic.
2022-01-20 02:29
6 replies
Your argument was that zywoo had 6 mvps and therefor he got #1, but sh1ro has better rating + 3 mvps and yet below niko with worse rating and 0 mvps. I literally demolished your argument so could be kind and put your emotions on the side and provide me proof of stuff you're claiming?
2022-01-20 02:35
5 replies
#50
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
My argument is that ZywOo was just as deserving as a number 1 placement just as much as s1mple. Your fanaticism is clouding your fair judgement and you're unfairly assuming foul play on HLTV.
2022-01-20 02:43
4 replies
You keep on talking out of your ass where as i presented you evidence but clearly you're too ignorant and double standart to accept the facts. S1mple clearly got robbed and i showed you proof.
2022-01-20 02:48
1 reply
#60
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
You didn't present evidence, there is none to assume foul play on HLTV. You presented reason and argument as to why s1mple should be number 1 and that's fine but "robbed" is incorrect, that is you being salty.
2022-01-20 02:56
apparently, u lost the debate, just stop bla bla to save ur dignity
2022-01-20 03:29
1 reply
#86
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
If you can call my current conversation with the user a "debate", that is... It's mostly just teaching manners to a salty fan who cannot accept the fact that in 2020, ZywOo was ranked the better player and furthermore, that no other player in comparison is not a GOAT contender either... An attitude like that is kind of hard to respect the opinion of considering the user has absolutely no qualms disrespecting everybody else who criticises s1mple fairly in 2020.
2022-01-20 03:33
The MVP talk is kind of unfair on s1mple because CIS RMR MVPs weren't counted :/ But in the end, both of them could have won it. ZywOo had an insane year so can't blame him :)
2022-01-20 02:41
8 replies
#48
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
I'm not using the MVP argument to be unfair, I was just making a point as to how good ZywOo also was to win 6 of them.
2022-01-20 02:43
7 replies
+1 There were 6 MVPs to be won for him and he won every single one of them. But I really wished HLTV had taken CIS RMRs into consideration as well for a fairer fight. That is all. Also mate, what do you think about #49? Mind you, I just woke up xD
2022-01-20 02:45
6 replies
#68
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Your post is fine, friend. :D I can understand the point you are getting at and I think at the end of the day, it has to do with how impactful ones stats are. Electronic sucked at the start of the year but achieved great LAN dominance to get the 7th spot but Ax1Le and Hobbit also just as good a years individually speaking. NiKo being ahead of sh1ro is still something I'm trying to wrap my head around but at the end of the day, the gap between statistics of NiKo and sh1ro was just too great, even without factoring in the MVP's (two bronze, one gold). With electronic, the statistics gap was not great enough to be ahead of Hobbit or Ax1Le in comparison to NiKo/sh1ro but I really thought sh1ro had done enough to make Top 3. :D Without a doubt, one of the most entertaining and favourite Top 20 lists yet, in my opinion. ^^
2022-01-20 03:10
How many CIS RMR MVPs did he win? 1? 2? It wouldn't change anything.
2022-01-20 03:17
4 replies
#80
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
It was still 6 to 2 regardless of the RMR's at the time - ZywOo had one hell of a stellar year in 2020 and it's a shame some users just cannot accept that, attempting to advocate on behalf of s1mple for no apparent reason whatsoever. I understand that comparing MVP awards is a double-edged sword, it is counteractive with how well your team performs alongside individual merits but the argument is to say "ZywOo had MVP's" is to prove how good ZywOo was, not to necessarily compare it to s1mple's 2 or however many he was "supposed" to win that year.
2022-01-20 03:25
3 replies
"it's a shame some users just cannot accept..." I think you may be overestimating the age and/or maturity of the average hltv user.
2022-01-20 03:44
2 replies
#89
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
You make a fair point and I guess I can't help always trying to see the possibility of positiveness in others, regardless of age, which is sort of overrated on HLTV. :D
2022-01-20 03:45
1 reply
Optimism is overrated in the modern world in general, which is mostly cynicism or insanity. Or both. :D to you too
2022-01-20 03:47
#107
koks | 
Saint Kitts and Nevis al0))
ofc you show the kd Xd
2022-01-20 12:57
+1 S1mple didnt get robbed. He was overhyped by CIS kids for his solo LAN win. Rest of the year , he played like an overrated choker
2022-01-20 02:59
#2
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Latvia heywire
Lan events > online events.
2022-01-20 01:46
4 replies
elec robbed
2022-01-20 02:03
2 replies
#19
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Latvia heywire
True at least top 5.
2022-01-20 02:03
1 reply
wdym at least? it's his maximum this year, hobbit anyways should have been 5th, but whatever
2022-01-20 02:07
#114
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Finland Kashmiir
Damn, 1st comment got kinda intense.
2022-01-20 23:33
9 replies
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/16920/sh1.. Also 3 mvps and all evps. Every playoff He was very important in Gambit wins Niko didnt win anything
2022-01-20 01:50
8 replies
Shiro sucked ass in big events like major while niko carried g2 to the finals. Dont be mad ruski 4th is deserved . But its still ok to 😭 , cry is still free
2022-01-20 01:58
5 replies
Sh1ro actually won something man and become mvp Not matter major result, they lost vs Navi on majo Niko won zero. He was rsure good for last 3 months tho
2022-01-20 02:01
4 replies
Cry more its ranking they look at everything not just mvps from tier 3 toutnaments
2022-01-20 02:05
its about individual performance. If we go by ur logic where achievements matter more than individual performance then in 2018 all astralis players should have been ranked 1-5 cuz they had most tournament wins.
2022-01-20 02:17
1 reply
That's why boombl4 is #3, perfecto is #2 and s1mple #1 now
2022-01-20 02:17
niko is a rifler, sh1ro plays the most favourable roles weapons and positions. The fact that we are even comparing the 2 means niko deserves a higher ranking, very rarely do riflers get into top 5
2022-01-21 01:43
filter of all matches are unfair because shiro did farm stats in low tier tournaments like V4 and Elisa
2022-01-20 02:18
Niko much better in LAN matches Higher rating against top teams Much more impact,entrying with rifle instead of AWPing with a passive style He stepped up massively when it mattered the most,sh1ro cant do the same in the biggest moments yet
2022-01-21 09:00
niko .25 more impact. also v4 mvp stronk
2022-01-20 01:48
4 replies
V4 had a great production and very good price money. More tier 1 teams should attend it instead of paying ESL for participation.
2022-01-20 03:19
3 replies
expected of gambit to only care about money
2022-01-20 12:50
1 reply
You missed my point. V4 is a good tournament, period. Giving MVP for it justices this. I'll watch it again whether Gambit competes in it or not.
2022-01-20 23:31
yes v4 generally a great TO
2022-01-21 01:40
Another bad bait by my man Reconstructor. I agree with Shiro being #4 but the rankings are total BS this year
2022-01-20 01:49
#8
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United States TARIK_GOAT
niko deserves this
2022-01-20 01:53
#9
RpK | 
Finland ToxicDUD
simple wasnt robbed
2022-01-20 01:54
1 reply
He was, S1mple #1 2018,2020,2021
2022-01-20 01:56
To be honest, the ranking is fair. NiKo is a better player than sh1ro. Glad to see him in third position.
2022-01-20 01:55
6 replies
true
2022-01-20 02:01
it's not about who's better player in general, it's about whose year was better, and as you see by reaction of many guys, they think shiro should have been 3rd
2022-01-20 02:08
3 replies
Goo thing that no one asked their opinion
2022-01-20 02:18
In individual performance, NiKo was fantastic in 2021. The collective results were not good. NiKo is the closest player to ZywOo and S1mple in terms of gameplay.
2022-01-20 02:26
1 reply
well, the last statement is true for sure, i think everyone understand that these three are on another level as to the skill
2022-01-20 12:42
+1
2022-01-20 03:30
I think he looked at stats actually, and that's why sh1ro is top4
2022-01-20 01:59
8 replies
Idk HLTV has been kind of up and down with the rankings this year. Some consistency please? At first, they mentioned that LAN achievements are to be given more importance. Then Striker mentions that online was 8 months of the year and thus, can't be ignored. I mean, putting Electronic as 7 and then putting Sh1ro as 4 clearly shows some differences in thinking when it comes to ranking different players, which isn't how it should be imo.
2022-01-20 02:43
7 replies
#72
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Every Top 20 player article has a section of "Why "x player" ranked Top x" and it explains quite well as to why. The sh1ro one actually explains in detail as to why he ranked fourth but I think he should've been Top 3 myself, personally.
2022-01-20 03:17
No, it does not. Electronic played horrible first 6-7 months of the year compared to 2nd half of 2021, that's why he ended 7th.
2022-01-20 03:20
I'll explain it to you the best I can since you seem like a reasonable user. Blamef being #13 and frozen out of top 20 was the simple proof that zywoo and niko were going to be ahead of sh1ro in the rankings. Blamef had 0 appearence at lan and frozen had an eu rmr mvp. This meant that: *Overall stats against top 5, 10, 20 regardless of the context were given first priority with stats against the top 5 being very significant. *Mvp from smaller events weren't even counted (sh1ro had only 1 big event mvp) *Stats were only given context when it was necessary i.e. when the stats of two players were close. In the matter of context, lan or online wasn't the deciding factor. It was the events - Both blast global finals (january & december), iem katowice and pgl major were considered the elite events. If a player had good stats in none or only one of these events then his placement in the rankings was unusually low (take stavn for example. really unlucky imo) *Impact rating was the tie breaker (this is the reason yekindar placed higher than b1t) Now based on these criteria let's justify the top 3 placements... -Niko at #3 His overall rating against the top 5 opposition is second highest, just below s1mple, a staggering 1.25 -Zywoo at #2 Out of the 4 elite events in 2021, zywoo has 1.3 rating in 3 of them! -s1mple at #1 Apart from his monstrous overall stats, s1mple has an mvp for 3 of the 4 elite events and an evp for iem katowice. That's really it. You don't have to big brain to predict the top 10 rankings
2022-01-20 04:21
2 replies
Lmao guess I overthought it somehow. Seems simple when you put it that way. Thanks for taking the time to explain this :)
2022-01-20 04:27
1 reply
And in the niko vs sh1ro comparison, just look at the elite events. Blast global (January): Niko (1.16) sh1ro (absent) Blast global (december): Niko (1.30) sh1ro (1.14) Pgl major: Niko (1.36) sh1ro (1.21) Only elite event sh1ro was ahead of niko was iem katowice and sh1ro wasn't even there in blast global january. Did he really deserve #3 over Niko?
2022-01-20 04:48
I actually said right after electronic had got announced as #7 and people started saying "sh1ro top3 confirmed". Electronic's top7 basically confirmed that team achievements have no real weight and stats are the main priority. Sh1ro's main advantage = achievements NiKo's main advantage = stats If stats > achievements, then NiKo > sh1ro, very s1mple conclusion. And yeah, people just look at overall rating and then cry, when in fact NiKo had much MUCH better stats, even with lower rating 2.0. ADR KRP and Impact are 3 main characteristics of a star player, and NiKo was exceptional at all of them. Also much better in big matches and against stronger opposition. Sh1ro was a worse player but luckier with team, does he deserve top3?
2022-01-20 09:45
1 reply
Doesn't even deserve top5 with his baiting
2022-01-20 10:46
and people still debating whether him or zywoo should be 2nd lol
2022-01-20 02:18
#47
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Brazil InViktor
+1
2022-01-20 02:43
#56
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India slavloli
yea, should have been in top 3 hltv ratings and rankings always sucked asses
2022-01-20 02:49
why people so delusional just look at the statistics
2022-01-20 02:51
Awp statpadder penalty Should’ve been implemented for all awpers and give bonus to supports/entries /thread
2022-01-20 03:03
#70
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
I still think sh1ro should've ranked higher but NiKo absolutely deserved Top 3 this year too - no doubt about that. :D NiKo's statistics were just way too good despite sh1ro's individual accolades, it wasn't enough to overtake him, which is fair enough.
2022-01-20 03:16
the ranking criteria are not consistent against all players yearly, it lost its stringency at some point now. last year, it was more focusing on team wins and titles to decide who is #1, this year, for #3/#4, they focus on more individual performance-- Kind of bringing controversy.
2022-01-20 03:38
i have a stupid question. Who decide mvp award, HLTV or Valve
2022-01-20 04:31
Stay mad
2022-01-20 04:51
#102
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Poland seinterc
"Is this some kind of sanctions since he is Russian?" AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHQAHAAHHASHAHH
2022-01-20 10:53
#103
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Russia Dwork1n
All games gambit vs G2 for 2021 IEM Katowice 2021 (Online) hltv.org/matches/2346574/gambit-vs-g2-ie.. sh1ro Rating 1.50 vs Niko 1.13 DreamHack Masters Spring 2021 (Online) hltv.org/matches/2347993/gambit-vs-g2-dr.. sh1ro Rating 1.40 vs Niko 0.82 DreamHack Masters Spring 2021 (Online) hltv.org/matches/2348011/gambit-vs-g2-dr.. sh1ro Rating 1.20 vs Niko 1.15 IEM Summer 2021 (Online) hltv.org/matches/2349015/g2-vs-gambit-ie.. sh1ro Rating 1.35 vs Niko 0.84 IEM Cologne 2021 (LAN) hltv.org/matches/2349923/gambit-vs-g2-ie.. sh1ro Rating 1.20 vs Niko 0.99
2022-01-20 11:52
2 replies
#122
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Hungary zy_k
dude this is a pretty dumb comparison lol youtube.com/watch?v=YmsFpouiiV4
2022-01-21 08:30
1 reply
You play alone because you have god complex and think that you are better than than everyone, and think that its worth it. You will look back to this point of your life and will think holly fucking cringe, i played alone and diched my friends, so i could play with random people i can flame at. Even the base of our conflict was based on the fack that you were a dickchead and we always played what you wanted because ottherwise you just wouldnt play. You care only about yourself, and then think "these friends of mine are toxic". Well what do you do for anyone? Do you help anyone? Support anyone? Are you nice to anyone? Lets think about that and then judge others. Half of your comment on this website is being salty, toxic or being smartass, copying definitions. Then you think to yourself that you are superior being. What if you actually start to be normal respect others and support your friends, instead of acting edgy and depressed, while in reality you have everything to be happy, you have a nice family, you would have friends, if you would talk to them, and you would have a girlfriend if you dont sut in your room all day every day. I had no mother and was beaten when i was little, and i was a lot nicer, am nice to peiple than you are. Do a reality check and decide if you wanna be an edgy little bitch, who acts like everybody is shit, except himself. Or be self aware, and realize that you arent better than anyone. Ask yourself the questions: am i a good friend? Am i nice to other people? Am i thankful for my family and nice to them? Am i doing any thing nice for people i like? (Not counting sucking proplayers dick and buying their merch) And maybe you willl realize if everyone else is the problem or maybe you have some work to do on you attitude. And this is me being nice because other people wont be honest with you.
2022-01-21 09:01
sh1ro should be in top 3, ngl
2022-01-20 12:43
I mean, doesn't the article basically highlight exactly why he's 4th via the stats etc?
2022-01-20 13:29
Yeah, he deserved #3.
2022-01-20 23:28
#116
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Argentina atriX^
I wanted to look into this because I was sure that sh1ro would take . So I compiled individual stats being looked at by HLTV: imgur.com/gpXLP42 "Big Events" considers: Blast Global Finals, IEM Katowice, EPL 13, DHMS, IEM Summer, Blast Spring Finals, IEM Cologne, EPL 14, PGL Major, Blast Fall Finals, IEM Winter, Blast World Finals "Elite Events" considers: IEM Cologne, PGL Major, Blast Fall Finals, IEM Winter, Blast World Finals. The only (very important) value I was unable to compile is the big match rating because I'm not certain about the criteria and I'm sure it considers more than just playoffs matches so I put the ones from HLTV's ranking. Upon looking at the stats, it makes sense to have NiKo ahead. sh1ro is ahead in Rating by 0.03 but that's mainly because of sh1ro's super-low DPR. sh1ro has the highest OpK Success but a very low attempt. The deciding factor is clearly the Elite Rating and the Big Matches rating. Particularly this last one. I don't have NiKo's value but It will likely be higher than sh1ro's. Elite rating is what placed Ax1Le over Hobbit.
2022-01-20 23:36
#121
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Hungary zy_k
2022-01-21 08:30
it's a**hole.
2022-01-21 09:05
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