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Logitech are so lazy.
England TheWizardofUh27898 
Zowie while not having any wireless mice have 4 different shapes in 2-3 different sizes to fit almost anyone, meanwhile in terms of high end FPS oriented gaming mice Logitech make about 3 the rest are all too heavy the 2 being the GPW and its super light version, the G703 and the 305, the also have wired versions of these but they are the same shape. Why not have a larger variance for people who like different shape, people who have different hand sizes and so on, for instance the GPW for me is too wide, I like a mouse from 59-61mm wide where you grip is to the 63.5mm of the GPW doesnt feel right to me.
2022-01-21 01:17
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#1
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United States Virgin Islands breasts
what about 502 (or even 903)
2022-01-21 01:21
14 replies
502 is far too heavy so is the 903. An optimal FPS mouse is like 95 grams at most.
2022-01-21 01:22
11 replies
502 shape is amazing tho, shame its so heavy
2022-01-21 01:36
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United States Virgin Islands breasts
well what shape do you like ? i use fingertip with g703, but i've also used it with g pro (and 303, but i've never tried 305). both of these are different sizes, and i would say my hands are small (don't worry about my dick tho). so i think if you use fingertrip you should have no problem using any of these...
2022-01-21 01:50
7 replies
You arent getting the point, I dont want any of these mice, I am stating a fact. The 703 comes in one size, the EC series comes now is 3, the 303 comes in one size so again doesnt take into account peoples hand sizes at all, its lazy.
2022-01-21 01:53
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#25
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United States Virgin Islands breasts
so you're complaining on behalf of a group you aren't part of? or what, idgi
2022-01-21 02:02
1 reply
he is british, they always have to whine about something even if it makes no sense at all
2022-01-21 12:42
#34
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Korea MC_VISER
yeah sure, glides and microswitches aren't important, as well as encoder, well, in that case, all mice are great. But no, both zowie and logi have terrible mouse feet(even superlight), mediocre encoders, boring switches, and one of the worst cables on the market. But the shpa in different sizes, no one gives a damn. For me, shape is important, but also other components, only if there is no ready to replace parts, such as good glide on my mm720, or encoder or switches for it. Wanna try out Endgamegear tho, they are good stock and for me, shape is interesting. Also, there are tons of variations of zowie shapes, but good internals. G wolves, Glorious, hyperx(haste, that's the only good mouse from them btw)? x lite and etc. . So why do we need to pay extra for nothing but fo contracts in esports? I dont know. Sadly, it is the peak of iceberg, gaming keyboards and headsets are far worse and that is disappointing.
2022-01-21 02:46
2 replies
Zowie C line has one of the best stock cables now. Also, Zowie stock black feet with controlled glide>>>GPX feet
2022-01-21 04:14
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#103
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Korea MC_VISER
imo, still shitty glides, even compared to superlight ones, which are generic trash too. Thats why if I buy a zowie or logi, only for cheap for modding
2022-01-21 22:58
EC series 3 sizes. FK series 3 sizes. ZA series 3 sizes. S series 2 sizes.
2022-01-21 01:57
502 hero is not heavy. i hit sick flicks with that mouse all the time. just get your forearm stronger
2022-01-25 23:45
1 reply
Its 121g that is heavy for an FPS mouse.
2022-01-25 23:47
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Canada scapegoat4
the g303 wireless came out very recently too lol
2022-01-21 01:22
1 reply
Comes in one size. So if someone likes that shape but its a little too small or too big then they wont really be able to use it to their full potential.
2022-01-21 01:24
For instance lets take the ZA, FK and S series from zowie all ambi, all different variations in terms of shape all feel difference and all suit different people, me as someone who uses a hybrid of palm and fingertip I find the FK to be the best for me, if they just made the ZA or just made the S this wouldnt be an option for me or other players like me.
2022-01-21 01:22
I feel like zowie has been "making" their wireless mouse for years and it's still nowhere to be seen tbh they are the lazy ones
2022-01-21 01:25
4 replies
Not really, they make about 2-4 variations on ever mouse they make to accommodate as many different grips and hand sizes as they can, Logitech make one mouse, in one size and then thats it.
2022-01-21 01:26
2 replies
yeah that's true, Logitech is big in headphones and keyboards, so I guess they don't really care that much
2022-01-21 01:30
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Yeah they are a larger company, its really not much to ask to make GPW but bigger and GPW but smaller.
2022-01-21 01:31
In reality you can just take a PCB and put it in an EC2 and make it wireless, its not hard I've done it, however changing the size and shape of a GPW is much harder.
2022-01-21 01:28
Idk much about mice, but my G703 wireless I got a couple months back is litterly what I wanted since forever Maybe my lack of knowledge about the subject makes me like it that much, cause I just don't know any better
2022-01-21 01:36
4 replies
Its again far heavier then all of the best mice out now the Zowie EC3C is 70 grams vs the 95 of the G703.
2022-01-21 01:38
3 replies
I guess it makes a difference, but 95 grams is already pretty light imo + I love wireless mice But thanks for the info, didn't know mice were that light for that price
2022-01-21 01:42
2 replies
Its not at all the GPW SL is about 60 grams you have many that are in the 60-80 gram range, most good FPS mice are below 90 at a minimum.
2022-01-21 01:44
1 reply
Damn, sick shit
2022-01-21 19:34
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Brazil Ghr1
They are lazy even because they don't even support windows 8.1! (g203)
2022-01-21 01:39
2 replies
Why are you on that trash?
2022-01-21 01:41
1 reply
Probably something to do with trackers on Win 10 or some rubbish like that
2022-01-21 02:35
g pro superlight but its expensive
2022-01-21 01:47
3 replies
As I stated, its the same size.
2022-01-21 01:48
2 replies
i have a g305 for 3y already, best mouse i ever had.
2022-01-21 01:50
1 reply
Again that means nothing also you havent tried the 1000s of other mice, thats like having a 502 and never having anything else and calling it the best mouse youve ever had. 305 comes in one size so proves my point.
2022-01-21 01:52
just mod your hand bro
2022-01-21 02:03
1 reply
Bet he doesn't need half of those fingers
2022-01-21 02:40
#27
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Slovakia diviak
you are dog, i am sorry
2022-01-21 02:24
1 reply
+1
2022-01-21 04:38
g403 hero (87g) was released before all these new zowie mice, still nothing wrong with it g403 hero wireless has a 10g weight chip included or you can keep it out and also remove the cover to shed another 3g
2022-01-21 02:32
1 reply
the 403 comes in one size, compared to the 3 of the EC its also heavier than any of them.
2022-01-21 02:48
To me it feels like Logitech and Razer kinda traded places, in the sense that I used to love Logitech and never liked Razer products much because of their price and bad durability Now I've been using a Razer Viper mini in the place of my old double-clicking G203 and I'm super happy with it, 0 regrets
2022-01-21 02:38
3 replies
Yeah all Logitech seems to do is go "look shroud uses it! Please buy our stuff now". I can honestly say with the GPW my single shot accuracy goes to the shit meanwhile with FK1, EC2, EC3C, S2, Rival 300, Rival 310, sensei, Intellimouse, Rival 110, Xtrfy M4, EC1-B, EC1-A its not an issue.
2022-01-21 02:51
#111
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United Kingdom HuzzyBoii
I'm currently using Razer Viper Ultimate after a year of using Superlight and omfg it's just so much better in every way. The weight is consistent throughout the entire mouse, it doesn't rattle, it has high build quality (it's pretty evident after using this mouse that G Pro Superlight is just cheaply made), charges insanely fast and lasts insanely long, and most importantly no double clicking ever.
2022-01-24 22:08
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The "no double clicking" is a big part of why I got a Viper over anything else actually, I really hope that's actually the case and it sticks through. Been using it for like 3 weeks now and I have no complaints so far, other than the on-board memory not remembering lighting settings, but the lights on this one aren't obnoxiously bright so I don't really mind
2022-01-25 22:57
#32
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United States Azaqa
g pro wireless is just perfectly fine for anyone IMO, no reason to have 25 different shapes. They could maybe do with a right hand oriented one and a left hand oriented one but other than that nothing needed tbh.
2022-01-21 02:43
23 replies
Well this opinion is wrong as many people have stated they dont like the size or shape of the GPW.
2022-01-21 02:47
22 replies
#39
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United States Azaqa
ok so dont buy it then? Its not logitechs job to make 20000 shapes, a bunch of the shapes you like are probably copyrighted by the company who makes them. They made a nice durable mouse with great battery life and a balanced shape suitable for most people. Theres a reason so many pros use it... its just a well made reliable mouse with a nice shape.
2022-01-21 02:49
21 replies
Actually it is as they make peripherals, its completely their job and market. Also shapes aren't copyrighted, also the most used mouse is the EC2, the only really the GPW has a user base amount pros is its the only usable wireless mouse for this kind of application, if an wireless EC2 or FK exists it would be another story also you have sponsors, notice Navi are sponsored by logitech and most of them use logitech.
2022-01-21 02:53
20 replies
#42
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United States Virgin Islands breasts
answer my question are you just complaining on behalf of a group you aren't part of
2022-01-21 02:54
9 replies
No I am complaining on behalf of a group that would like more options in terms of mouse selection.
2022-01-21 02:55
8 replies
#45
DD | 
United States Virgin Islands breasts
i asked you what shape you like and you said you don't want any of those mice xD
2022-01-21 02:56
7 replies
Because I am not looking to buy a new mouse I am merely making an observation, Logitech are lazy. I have GPW in my collection of about 14 mice and it sits firmly at 14th.
2022-01-21 02:57
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#48
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United States Virgin Islands breasts
an observation in other words you're complaining for no reason?
2022-01-21 02:57
5 replies
No the reason is simple more competition, better products and more choices.
2022-01-21 02:58
4 replies
#50
DD | 
United States Virgin Islands breasts
you're not looking for a new mouse but you're complaining about a lack of options ???????????
2022-01-21 02:59
3 replies
I dont get your logic, I have a 3090, so does this now I mean I dont take any interest in the GPU's coming out? You are acting like because I dont want a new mouse I shouldnt care about the lack of options from a company, your outlook makes no sense.
2022-01-21 03:00
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#54
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United States Virgin Islands breasts
8/8 because i refuse to believe anyone is this retarded
2022-01-21 03:01
1 reply
#57
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United States Azaqa
+1 tbh idek what hes on about anymore
2022-01-21 03:02
#56
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United States Azaqa
Actually no, it isnt their job. They already have a massive portion of the market who like their products as is and it likely isn't worth their time and money to invest in creating new designs to get a slightly larger market share. Also I'm pretty sure it's possible to copyright/patent mouse shapes, same as anything else. They would have to prove it's actually unique etc. but that's fairly easy to do given it actually is unique.
2022-01-21 03:01
9 replies
No it is, its the market they are in and want to continue to go forward in so it is literally their job, its their job to make, market and sell products. No as again you have to prove someone copied it rather than just happened upon the same shape, see in engineering its a little different, many car companies are secretive about what they do but the reality is problems tend to have the best solution and over time you will all find that same solution, its called convergent evolution, there are many mice shaped the same or extremely similar to the EC series, Zowie hasnt sued the.
2022-01-21 03:06
8 replies
#62
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United States Azaqa
They already have a massive market share and like I said it likely isn't worth their time and money to invest in creating new designs to get a slightly larger market share. Also its very easy to prove someone copied your shape... there is no "convergent evolution" to mice shapes man. Some people might consider the GPW the best possible shape, but weird people like you hate it. Its a matter of opinion. Its far more similar to art than it is to "car companies". Also the reason zowie haven't sued anyone is probably because their mouse shape is basically the same as the fucking Microsoft mouse.
2022-01-21 03:09
7 replies
Its not a new design to make a mouse smaller, you literally keep the same shape and scale it down same goes for larger. "there is no "convergent evolution" to mice shapes man." Wrong, there is in everything where there is a problem and solution, convergent evolution means to come to the same solution for a problem without interacting. Look at the Intellimouse and then look at the EC series, very similar, I know as I have both.
2022-01-21 03:11
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#68
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United States Azaqa
????? why would they make different sized mice lmao what kind of dwarf hands do you have for the GPW to not be big enough? Also there is no "problem" or "solution" to mouse shapes any more than there is a "solution" to having a painting that looks good. One mouse shape is preferred by one person and hated by another. There is no set "solution" to having a mouse shape, because again its all individual preference. Go look up "zy's rail" and try to tell me it wouldn't be obvious if someone copied the shape... many mice are like this and while GPW and zowie EC are pretty standard shapes many shapes could easily be patented.
2022-01-21 03:17
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No there is is as I dont know if you have notices many mice have very similar shapes, its not that common to get a shape that varies that far. Zys rail is a mouse made and pretty much designed by him, that is a complete outlier. "why would they make different sized mice lmao what kind of dwarf hands do you have for the GPW to not be big enough?" This sentence makes no sense, dwarf hands are small but the GPW isnt big enough? Nice english. "because again its all individual preference" So why not cater to it and make more shapes and sizes like Zowie? Also again I dont know if you have realised certain shapes are popular some arent, the reason no other mouse looks like that Zy mouse is 99% of people will hate it as it designed by one man to capitalise on marketing, "heres a mouse designed by the guy who reviews mice".
2022-01-21 03:21
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#72
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United States Azaqa
Because again that requires a lot of investment and for a company that already has a massive market share like Logitech it probably isn't worth the risk or investment. If you aren't going to acknowledge that I'm not going to bother arguing.
2022-01-21 03:26
3 replies
Again its really not a large investment tooling for injection moulding is not expensive I know this, I have experience with this, with the GPX I am very sure they could shave 1.25mm off of each side to make it 2.5mm thinner as that would make a huge difference, take the back in by about 5mm, I have taken the thing apart so I know there is space for that and I am sure there is also room to make it slightly lower.
2022-01-21 03:38
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#76
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United States Azaqa
nobody is talking about the moulding of the mouse... If the moulding of the mouse directly correlated to the cost of the mouse we'd be able to get GPW superlights for like $2 or less. The problem is again scaling down the electrical components, which is not nearly as simple at all.
2022-01-21 03:43
1 reply
You dont really need to as the again there is a lot of empty space in these mice for obvious reasons a PCB doesnt fit your hand very well so you wont need to make anything smaller actually.
2022-01-21 04:20
+1
2022-01-21 02:44
i agree in some parts, but i dont really know if their focus is gaming, they also have many office products
2022-01-21 02:49
4 replies
The GPW is clearly aimed at gamers as you have pictures of s1mple plastered everywhere.
2022-01-21 02:54
3 replies
by "logitech", i meant the company as a whole, we obviously know that GPW is aimed at gamers. also, s1mple uses the gpx superlight, not the gpw
2022-01-21 02:55
2 replies
yes I know but its the same mouse FFS, its the same shape and size with lower weight and different feet, its the same thing, hardly any real changes.
2022-01-21 02:56
1 reply
i wouldnt consider these "no real changes" tbh, but thats up to you to decide what is and what isn't. also, there are many people who just don't care about weight and buy the heavier mice. anyways, i'm not fanboying or trying to prove a point so i will stop here.
2022-01-21 03:00
#51
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Yugoslavia bigtito
Don't have to make more than a few high end mice if you make the best high end mouse
2022-01-21 02:59
1 reply
Again but make them in a few different sizes so they fit more people.
2022-01-21 03:01
#58
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United Kingdom HltvSaysNt
They probably ran the numbers and decided making a mouse for your hand shape was not profitable. Sorry bud! F the system
2022-01-21 03:02
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#60
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Australia vamped
+1 Make the best mouse that appeals to the greater demographic and you win. No need for sizes that won’t sell anywhere near as many units
2022-01-21 03:06
18 replies
Well no thats not how that works, lets say you sell 10 million units on one size. To do this you must make at least 10 million units, well it wont cost you much more to make 3.3 million small, 3.3 million medium and 3.3 million large, as all you really have to do is scale some parts of the mouse down, all it will cost you is tooling and those costs are not that high in manufacturing. Also take into account with 3 different sizes you will fit more people thus probably sell more.
2022-01-21 03:08
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#63
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United States Azaqa
I think youre braindead.... if they currently make 10 million units and are selling them it might not be profitable to make 10 million units of that and 5 million units of another mouse (which they btw have to design and create manufacturing facilities for). If they make less than the 10 million there are now people who would've been happy with the normal mouse but now either don't want a logitech mouse or are forced to buy a mouse they're unhappy with.
2022-01-21 03:11
13 replies
You do realise I studied manufacturing at college, so no you have zero clue as to the processes of manufacturing products I do as I have first hand experience at it, as its my job. You dont have to make 5 million of a another mouse, you won triple your sales by having small medium and large, medium will sell the most, the split is more like 4-3-3 or 5-2.5-2.5, thats how markets around this kind of thing tend to end up so no it would be just as profitable is not more as you would probably sell slightly more as you would appeal to more people, they already make a profit on each mouse so more sold is more profit and the extra cost of tooling is minimal also you wouldnt need to make a new facility to make a mouse 2.5mm thinner and 5mm shorter and 2mm lower. Also you dont have to make a completely new design to make something smaller, thats is pure nonsense, you have 90% of the design work done for you, most of the internal are the same they will share most components so nothing you said has any basis in reality.
2022-01-21 03:16
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#71
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United States Azaqa
Lol how delusional are you? If theyre selling out the current amount produced then some people will be unhappy if they stop producing that amount in favor of a different size. If you produce 10 million medium t shirts and they're selling out every batch, by producing 5 million medium t shirts you now have 5 million potential customers who are unhappy because their size is sold out. Why would you as a business (yes I'm studying business in college btw Mr Manufacturing) spend the time and money to create a new product and setup manufacturing facilities/equipment/procedures for it if it wont even increase your revenue? Also, you definitely do have to make a completely new design to make something smaller in the context of technology. There are many many components that go into a mouse, do you think you can just magically make chips, sensors, batteries etc. smaller like you're using a CAD program? No. That takes design and time if not straight up technological advancement. Do you think iPhone could have made their phone as thin as it is now without massive technological advancement? Look at iPhone 1 and whatever the new one is. Thats the result of years of design and research, you cant just magically make it smaller. Larger is a different story, sure, but with making it larger it comes with its own set of problems such as weight or scaling up the components for example.
2022-01-21 03:27
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But people dont just sell medium T shirt so this again is not an apt comparison in clothing you must sell different sizes to really get anywhere its a different market. Also why would you stop manufacturing them? If they are selling you keep making them its really that simple, they dont just make 3 million then stop, its a bit more grey than that, the example I gave you was not exact it was an example I am sorry you cant deal with conjecture and take everything at literal face value. "Also, you definitely do have to make a completely new design to make something smaller in the context of technology." The PCB's inside dont change much as they make them for the smallest mouse and that means they fit the largest one so wrong, unless you have an idiot designing it you will sure you can use 1 PCB for every mouse in that shape atleast, I dont know if you have realised but mice are mostly empty. Yes larger will weigh more that just reality, the EC1C weighs more than the EC2C as it larger, thats normal. "Do you think iPhone could have made their phone as thin as it is now without massive technological advancement?" We are talking about mice, much more simplistic devices from a technological standpoint, also the shape of a phone whilst still important is not as vital to its design as a mouse, with a mouse the shape is the most important thing, with a phone as long as you can hold it and put it in your pocket it doesnt matter and again the inside of a mouse is mostly empty so yes you really can just make them smaller, what you do if you are smart or forward thinking is design the PCB for your smallest mouse in the series because it will then fit into the larger shells of the others in the series. "yes I'm studying business in college btw Mr Manufacturing" Studying so you could fail and have not passed it, so you dont even have a piece of paper yet telling you that you know what you are talking about, I actually passed about 10 years ago.
2022-01-21 03:33
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#75
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United States Azaqa
"Studying so you could fail and have not passed it, so you dont even have a piece of paper yet telling you that you know what you are talking about, I actually passed about 10 years ago." wtf are you even on about? The whole point is they're already selling the full quantity they currently produce so there's no logical reason from a business standpoint to reduce production of the mouse in favor of a different size. Just like my medium example which I guess you can't understand, if they're already selling out the normal GPW they will make customers unhappy if they stop producing some of those units to instead produce a different size. Also, with some mice I've owned (the wired ones) its true they're mostly empty inside, however you arent considering the fact that the chip goes from end to end. In one of my mice (cooler master mm711) you can see right through the honeycombed holes and it's like that. You cannot simply scale it down despite the whole mouse basically being empty, because the chip is too wide. In my GPW superlight as far as I can tell it's not "mostly empty" at all... it actually seems like a majority of the space is used up... in another mouse I've been looking at the deathadder v2 hyperspeed you can clearly see basically the whole mouse is used up. WIth wireless mice it seems to be that way where the majority of the space is actually being used, probably due to the additional technology required.
2022-01-21 03:41
3 replies
I have the GPW and I have taken it apart many times and no, it is mostly empty space. again to make this easier make your PCB for your smaller model.
2022-01-21 04:30
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#85
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United States Azaqa
Yes thats fine and all... but they already made their "medium" model so you cant do that anymore
2022-01-21 09:01
1 reply
They can as there is space around the PC to shave off the amount I stated.
2022-01-21 12:25
Them being a large corpo, they probably have a sizeable team responsible for the offering side of things. Myself with engineering background now working a position where I sort of follow the whole big picture I can say that it is not always that easy to widen the offering. Okay 1 product -> 3 products which share 80% of the components is relatively easy, but it must be their offering team determined that they don't want to split their product in multiple ones. Maybe they have concluded that they could get 10 to 20% more sales, but those would maybe eat away from other products that already exist and upkeeping 2 more SKUs does add complexity and costs. Offering is a complex topic, at a place where I worked at, a new cheaper product was created, but it was made worse than possible because it was too good and would have eaten sales of another more expensive, higher margin product.
2022-01-21 09:29
5 replies
This is the reason to make smaller amounts of different products, not everyone wants an EC2 so they may buy an FK, S or ZA, these mice will technically eat sales from eachother but will also lead to happier customers.
2022-01-21 12:41
4 replies
But unfortunately with especially big companies customer happiness is an issue only at the point where it can be shown affecting sales negatively.
2022-01-21 13:04
3 replies
Would really like to start a gaming peripheral company I'd actually like to make an ergo mouse for left handed people as those dont exist anywhere and there are some left handed players so it seems like something you could corner with minimal effort.
2022-01-24 23:59
2 replies
Yeah that is an interesting corner of the market. You could take a small share of the market and still remain in position where no one might bother to compete with you directly. Logitech(and all others) will keep doing mice that are ambidextrous, but those will not cover the whole user base.
2022-01-25 10:49
1 reply
It would 100% be a small company that aims at giving players a more customisable experience so you could pick a combination of materials, sensors, cables and switches.
2022-01-25 20:27
#65
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Australia vamped
Just scale some parts of the mouse down? You need different machinery, different tools, different everything which all costs extra money. If those niche sizes don’t sell it’s an even bigger loss. I’ve working in manufacturing for 15 years and for you to day that doesn’t cost much is ignorant
2022-01-21 03:11
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I have for a while aswell and it really doesnt as you get so many uses out of one tool, this mice are injection moulded a very easy and cheap thing to do, and also if Zowie can afford it I am pretty sure Logitech can.
2022-01-21 03:17
#66
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United Kingdom HltvSaysNt
HLTV economists with their logical thinking
2022-01-21 03:12
Logitech decides to mass produce a mouse with a universal shape that can fit most grips. Kinda makes sense from a business perspective.
2022-01-21 04:03
2 replies
#83
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United States NineSpot
+1
2022-01-21 05:23
#89
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United Kingdom legji
TBH Logitech G502 has the best shape out of all the mouses I've ever used. Only the ASUS ROG Gladius could come close but the retarded cable design made me switch from it very quickly.
2022-01-21 09:27
how is gpw too wide for you? its the smallest mouse i've owned ever
2022-01-21 04:38
1 reply
Its not small at all, its 63,5mm wide the EC2 is only 61 in comparison and you can feel that, it also lacks curves on the sides.
2022-01-24 22:06
idc I have GPX and its the best mouse I have ever had
2022-01-21 05:39
asus strix claw best mouse
2022-01-21 09:04
#87
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Sweden EntonXD
space ship brick still most sold "gaming" mouse for what i know.
2022-01-21 09:20
1 reply
Well yeah most gamers are not people who are trying to play one game to the best of their ability and most "gamers" arent actually that good at any game and dont really know anything about mice, they buy one they hear of, think its great and never try anything else.
2022-01-24 22:03
#88
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United Kingdom legji
How is the G502 too heavy, do you struggle to lift your shirt over your head as well?
2022-01-21 09:23
7 replies
The G502 is something like 121g alone without the weights, most good FPS mice are under 100 grams.
2022-01-24 22:02
6 replies
#112
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United Kingdom legji
That's still literally nothing though in comparison to even the weakest of men? Especially since you got the mouse skate pads along with the mousemat that would remove any friction from the weight bearing on the surface.
2022-01-24 22:16
5 replies
It has nothing to do with strength, its it to do with basic physics. When you accelerate something with mass it takes time to get it up to speed and then time to slow it down, the heavier the object the worse this is and if the weight of the mouse is enough to miss by one pixel then its an issue. Its almost nothing to do with friction, the fact is look at most pros's in FPS games and look at the mice they are using pretty much all sub 100 grams. Remember every flick has 2 stages, getting the mouse moving and then stopping the mouse on the target with a heavier mouse it will be harder to accelerate and harder to stop. Heavier mice can also give more static friction this means making micro adjustments is harder.
2022-01-24 22:25
4 replies
#115
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United Kingdom legji
Except for the fact, the strength of your arm is the physics behind the acceleration and deceleration of the mouse when you use it. The strength of the muscles in your arms is the driving force when moving the mouse and making it stop that makes the strength of your arm the only thing that matters. The mouse doesn't move without your hand, especially when you grasp it properly, it doesn't gain acceleration outside of that. The difference between your hand holding 80 grams or 120 grams is literally non-existent with the strength any non-disabled human possesses. Also using pros is a bad argument since they're bound to contracts to use certain gear for their individual sponsors (Or we can talk about how device was the 3rd best player of 2015 used a G502 throughout 2015) The only thing that matters with a mouse is how it feels in your hand, cable/wireless reliability and its sensor, end off.
2022-01-24 23:04
3 replies
No as if you arm is strong you will still stop a lighter mouse faster and get it moving faster so no that is wrong, also strength and speed are not the same so this is slightly misunderstanding. "The mouse doesn't move without your hand, especially when you grasp it properly, it doesn't gain acceleration outside of that. The difference between your hand holding 80 grams or 120 grams is literally non-existent with the strength any non-disabled human possesses." Its enough, remember your arm isnt dead weight neither is your hand so its not the same also your are so used to the weight of your arm and hand and there is nothing that can be done about it, a heavy mouse however is different. Ok so one year a player used a heavy mouse, the fact is the rest of his career he hasnt so that says it all, also players arent bound to this, Boombi4 uses an EC1 while his team is sponsored by Logitech so thats not true, Faze are sponsored by steelseires, none of them are using a steel series mouse so this is not true. No the weight matters its been established for a long time, any sensor past a 3310 is good enough to the point where it outstrips the peak of human accuracy so, so in really the order of importance is shape, weight and then sensor.
2022-01-24 23:17
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#117
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United Kingdom legji
"No as if you arm is strong you will still stop a lighter mouse faster and get it moving faster so no that is wrong, also strength and speed are not the same so this is slightly misunderstanding." No that is completely right, the stronger you're the more force you can produce, you want to stop the mouse you produce the force in your arm to stop said force you exerted in the beginning to move it. With such force, you can generate it faster AND stop said force faster then it comes down to muscle memory to become accurate. "Its enough, remember your arm isnt dead weight neither is your hand so its not the same also your are so used to the weight of your arm and hand and there is nothing that can be done about it, a heavy mouse however is different." Even the weight of your arm doesn't matter since everyone would be resting it on the desk and 120 grams isn't heavy that's the funny part of this. It's beyond even negligible. "Ok so one year a player used a heavy mouse, the fact is the rest of his career he hasnt so that says it all, also players arent bound to this, Boombi4 uses an EC1 while his team is sponsored by Logitech so thats not true, Faze are sponsored by steelseires, none of them are using a steel series mouse so this is not true." What part of "individual contract" did you not understand? You use a team example where it would be point in my favour that booml4 could have a stipulation in his contract with Na'vi where the others don't what gear he uses or an individual sponsor with Zowie that would also probhit him from using Logitech gear. Or Logitech don't know he is using a zowie mouse and haven't sued Na'vi yet for it. Also should mention Device was one example (Along with majority of players using G502s in the top 20 in 2015 with razer being the second most used) but the main of that was pros get paid to use specific gear and it truly indicative of what the best mouse. Hell ScreaM used the finalmouse back in 2016 when it was a truly garbage mouse and his own performance dipped because of it. "No the weight matters its been established for a long time, any sensor past a 3310 is good enough to the point where it outstrips the peak of human accuracy so, so in really the order of importance is shape, weight and then sensor." Weight mattering the second most has never been established. The weight of a mouse has always come down to preference and there's been anything to show the weight of the mouse decreasing performance as you claim. We can also use if the sensor is beyond what human accuracy can amount then 40grams is below any threshold that can affect a humans movements.
2022-01-24 23:51
I can tell you when I use my EC3C and then go back to my EC1-A that 27grams of difference feels huge, I can tell right away. Not saying you cant aim well with a heavy mouse but it doesnt help, I would say anything under 100 grams is fine, there is a point of diminishing returns but a mouse does not need to weigh 120 grams, it benefits no one.
2022-01-25 00:02
#91
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Oceania xJ7
"All too heavy" Lost me there. How frail are you?
2022-01-21 09:30
1 reply
A good FPS mouse should be below 100 grams at a minimum to even enter the conversation. G502 120g, too heavy. G604 128g, too heavy. G703 is 95g so this is decent but still like 25-30g heavier than most mice of a similar size and shape coming out, its also very wide. G903 110g, too heavy. MX518 101g. G603 112g with 1 battery, 135 with 2 so too heavy. G402, something they call their "ultra fast FPS mouse" weighs 108 grams. Lets compare that to Zowie. EC1 97g (the A and B version weigh the same) EC2 90g (the A and B version weigh the same) EC1C 80g EC2C 73g EC3C 70g. FK1+-C 77g FK1-C 74g FK2-C 70g FK1+-B 86g FK1-B 84g FK2-B 80g You get the idea, they all weight between 70-90 grams apart from some of the older EC mice, the largest new mouse they make only weighs 80 grams, I mean the Rival 300 I have and the EC1-A I have, fuck even the Microsoft intellimouse I have weighs less than most Logitech mice, the GPX is only 60 grams but it only comes in one size, the shape is not good at all and they have no light ergo mice. I'm also not a small person I am about 6 foot 2 and weigh around 90kg so I am not small just the simple fact is physics is physics and a heavier object is harder to get moving and harder to stop.
2022-01-24 22:44
i can use any mouse shape, ur being a baby.
2022-01-21 09:43
Yeah but you have to acknowledge the fact that all Zowie do are mices. Logitech does make lots of other stuff like high end keyboards, headsets, steering wheels, mousepads etc.
2022-01-21 12:28
G703 Superlight would sell like hot cakes same with an updated G305 but they decide not to since they want everyone to buy the 150 dollar GPX and G303 SE. They are releasing a new 80 gram G502 soon but that mouse is fucking garbage for FPS games, as u can see they are only looking at sales since it's their most popular mouse. They don't wanna make multiple updated shapes and different sizes because of marketing which is sad but they are a massive company so they rather just make bank with low effort rather than doing the best for the people. Luckily the GPW shape works very well for me and I always had a consistent grip on it, which a lot of people can't do, so for now GPX is my endgame. Never tried XM1R tho so might buy the wireless version when it's out.
2022-01-21 12:33
#96
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Denmark Alphamon
GPW too wide really? It's one of the narrowest mice I've used, and I've tried various gaming mice since 2005. I love the fact that it has a higher bump and is slightly more narrow, I hated Razer's Viper Ultimate since it was a tad too wide and too low for my taste.
2022-01-21 12:36
1 reply
One of the narrowest? Its 63.5mm, wides than an EC2, its nearly as wide as an EC1 and lacks any or the curvature to grip, its an awful shape.
2022-01-24 21:59
im a brexitboi - i cant hit shit- its logitechs fault, why this mouse is so big
2022-01-21 12:38
#100
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Other rssyo
The same could be said about Zowie that they are a lazy company - No lightweight mouse on todays market - No wireless mouse on todays market
2022-01-21 12:47
2 replies
They do, 70 grams is light enough for a mouse of that size, the ZA13C is 65g and the S2C is 69grams, thats the same as an Xrtfy M4. The only argument is wireless but to counter that argument its much better to have such a wide selection of shapes and sizes and then just use a bungee.
2022-01-24 21:58
1 reply
#126
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Other rssyo
I see, didn't know the ZA13C is 65g
2022-01-25 23:16
#107
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Italy cele87
Go to xtrfy
2022-01-24 22:03
4 replies
Dont like their silly ultra light mice because they are full of holes.
2022-01-24 22:07
3 replies
#127
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Italy cele87
you can disable the lights
2022-01-25 23:19
2 replies
its full of holes the lights are no issue.
2022-01-25 23:32
1 reply
#135
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Italy cele87
ah lol sry i didn't read well :D
2022-01-25 23:45
#121
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Romania xypperz
i hate g502 it sucks
2022-01-25 10:52
bc of superlight trend which has got them the big $$$ they are lazy as fuck who can blame them
2022-01-25 21:23
g502 best
2022-01-25 23:35
1 reply
The thing is a shitty brick.
2022-01-25 23:35
logitech literally did best mouse in history (g pro superlight) and u flame them? lmao
2022-01-25 23:40
3 replies
Its not the best mouse in history at all, average at best shape, there are many mice with better shapes that are lighter, the mouse feet arent all that good either and the clicks are at best average, its just marketing.
2022-01-25 23:42
2 replies
say the best mouse than?
2022-01-25 23:44
1 reply
The best mouse doesnt exist, its nonsense.
2022-01-25 23:44
Most of the zowie mouse engineers left zowie for vaxee so it is a dead horse, don't expect anything good from them. Vaxee still doesn't have wireless mice but it is the modern zowie basically. I tho enjoy Razer Orochi V2, such a nice mice and with mechanical switches, nothing like cheapo trashy omrons on logitech superlight.
2022-01-25 23:47
1 reply
The C series is a massive improvement over the previous mice, lighters, better cables and a shorter shape with the C3, you do realise people join and leave these companies all the time.
2022-01-25 23:48
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