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electroNic has been ranked in the top 10 in the HLTV ranking for 4 years in a row now, with his worst ranking being #7. He has also won pretty much all of the big events there are to win.
Would you rank him as a top 10 player of all time in CSGO?
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Yes!
Yes
Yes, Young Daddy FTW.
yes, imo he is better than players like olof or coldzera, people seem to overrated cold and olof because they have 2/1 top1s but where are they now after those top1s???
i can understand olof had an injury but coldzera straight up became washed after 2 good years.
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olof and colds peeks are higher than elecs peeks.
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0/8
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you must not remember how olof and fnatic dominated cs. olof also dominating from an entry position, elec plays fundamental good cs. there is a big difference.
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Olof was nuts in 2015. You were scared if he was with a pistol, rifle, awp, deagle or tec-9. He was the best in clutching, entries, had the biggest impact out of all players during his prime. IMO, he was the best all-rounded player ever to be top-1 in the ranking. Not to mention fnatic were the first roster to win back-to-back majors that year. So yeah, Olof's peak > electroNic's peak, with elec being much better in the long run, actually
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2015 cs is no where near as good as what it is today
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that's just ridiculous. There were other good players then, and now they've gotten worse. In 3 years you'll be saying the CS in 2022 wasn't as good as 2025 because the best players of 2025 didn't play now. THINK, use your brain in the future please. Also NA HAS HAD good teams, in 2018, 2019 and early 2020. In between 2015 and 2022 NA rose and fell again.
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But it's true. In the beginnings of counter-strike less player played it = less competition = there were no such a good players. When FE 20.000 player play the game , and in another universe for example 500.000, where will be better players ? Today star players of 2014=15 plays in max tier 2 teams mostly as IGl or Support. Today tier 2 teams should beat 2014 Fnatic, V.P and NIP
NA has zero teams in the top 10, in 2015 they had 2.
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That’s because of the roster shuffle distributing points differently, Liquid was in top 10 at the end of the year
you understand that no s1mple, no zywoo, no niko would be the same players without accumulated resources of the past generations?
rn learning to become a great player is way easier than before. you have so much content, tools and infastructure in comparison.
so being the best 6-10 years ago isn't exactly easier than now
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dont worry electronic will become irrelevant 5 years from today if we follow your logic
I don't know why people are arguing against you, it's very clear that the general skill level has risen a lot.
Astralis was the first team to play counter strike in my mind, no troll. Anything before seems primitive
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bro don t even argue. diferent generations and difeferent skill veiling, nevertheless compared to their own era, both cold and olof were more remarkable
Electronic peek already 4 years running
90% of the pro scene wish they have his peek.
Even higher-ranked players like Niko would change his HLTV Ranking place for some of his trophies.
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you are talking about elecs consistency, elec was never the best in the world. cold and olof had higher peeks than elec will ever have probably since elec will never be top1 player in the world.
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niko never was top1 right?
agreed, 2 major mvps aswell. People are underestimating how hard being #1 is
Olof wouldn't be top1 or win any MVPs if he had prime s1mple in his teams tho
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why the fuck does everyone keep mixing up peak and peek. Peak=the top of something
peek=as in xantares peek bum bum
This tilts me so much, literally 90% of people have it the wrong way
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signed up 2020-11-30
"where are they now" - old and washed maybe?
you do realize players arent supposed to stay at their peak forever, right?
even 2 years in cold's case is quite a lot for the world of pro esports where things are extremely short lived and things move very fast.
by their times, olof and cold were the best, AND they are far from being even good right now. both things can be true at the same time.
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and he said all time, i value consistency better than peaks.
ill rather have a very good player since 5 years then a guy who plays insanely well for 2 years then dissappears.
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flair checks out, top 5 for 6 years > top 1 for 2 years.
/closed
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4 majors 6 top 5s (5 of which are top3s) >>> 2 top 1s and 2 majors and becoming washed.
average coldzera fan.
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Lol 4 majors because Glave goat IGL, we all saw how well Device attempt to be the solo carry player went lol.
(and the argument isn't device vs Cold, Device had an extremely high consistency level, so i don't think is the correct representation of your example. since the original is talking about Electronic who has never even sniffed top 3)
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we all sow how well coldzera attempt to be the solo carry play went when there was no taco.
i could say this too and i know it sounds dumb, coldzera was washed before leaving taco, as i said 3/2 good years then being washed << 6 years of top 3/5
No, no one cares about who came 5th, Olof came 1st once and is remembered a lot more fondly than Device ever will be and thats a fact.
In 2 years Zywoo did twice what Device hasnt been able to do for nearly a decade, so did Cold, again that SK lineup and cold will be remembered by fans a lot more fondly than Device and Astralis as Astralis were boring and Device since leaving Astralis is currently pulling in much lower ratings.
Infact in 2021 device vs top 5 teams is rated 0.97.
hltv.org/stats/players/7592/device?start..
You absolutely destroyed him.
Ecolai is/was consistently mediocre.
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+1 ecovice completely destroyed any talk of contention by exposing his complete lack of skill outside of the Astralis system (aside from earlier TSM years)
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Where is this bot now?
He quickly realized that he sucks and can't perform outside of astralis.
Then he tried to go back, but got a huge backlash on twitter and claimed it was a lie.
Now, he is on the bench for months, because he can't cope with his unskilled garbage ass. His career is over.
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life cant be good sitting hating on shit all day
Olof had higher peak , and was at his peak for 2 years. He also made hltv top 20 4 years in a row (3 of which were top 10 but one of them was also #1)
The only reason why olof.dodnt make it in 2018 is because he was on a leave for 6 months, though statistically he was still up their as a top tier player. And the only.reason why olof fell off in 2016 was his injury.
Olof is also the only other #1 in the game (excluding zywoo) whose dominance can be compared to simple's
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didn't like olof have a 1.15 rating ? doesn't seem very dominant to me tbh.
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that's because old HLTV 1.0 (Overall rates were generally lower since fewer metrics were taken into account to calculate them) metrics but yeah Olof was nowhere near as dominant as s1mple is rn. Guardian was posting similar stats and was only held back because Fanatic won more as such Olof got more accolades.
Rating 1.0......
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And s1mple 1.0 rating for last year 1.31
Devices was 1.21 in 2018
1.15 isnt that high anymore
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No, the new 2.0 gives higher ratings, on 1.0 the ratings were lower, so that 1.15 is really like 1.3.
Last year and I think since 2017 they have used the 2.0 system.
There is also the eye test, please go and watch Olof in his prime, essentially Fnatic would set up in a 4-1 almost, 4 working one side of the map and Olof on the other and the man would tear open bomb sites with anything, AK, SMG TEC 9, Deagle, scout whatever, he was one of the most well rounded players ever in his prime, he could even awp to an almost elite level.
Not saying he better than s1mple he's not, but in his prime Olof was an monster, a 1.20 rating at majors on the 1.0 rating system is insanity.
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Its clear you lack any understanding, not all players will get boosted by the 2.0 rating, you actually have to go and watch Olof play and then look at the changes the 2.0 system added, Olof entries and impact would easily move him into the 1.25-1.3 range, look at Niko the last 3 months, his KD is a little better than Olofs in 2015.
Given Niko had a 1.21 rating over the year and Olof was known to solo entry and tear open sites alone his impact rating will be very high, he also played an instrumental role in force buys something Fnatic were very good at at.
hltv.org/news/20695/introducing-rating-2..
Notice how it also splits it between CT and T, this mean racking up kills on T side has a larger impact on your rating than on CT side.
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Yekindar has the highest opening kills per round by far, the highest opening attempts by far, and huge impact, in 2021. And even he is just 0.09 to 0.1 ahead of his Rating1.0 (1.05 Rating1.0 in 2021). Not a single player in history had a bump above 0.1 while moving from Rating1.0 to Rating2.0
Olof's entry attempts were much lesser than Yekindar (25% vs 35%) and his success was also much lesser than many pros. He would never have a bump above 0.1. It is you who lacks understanding.
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You cant see entry attempts, only opening kills, those arent the same and they arent rated the same either.
You are looking at blank numbers with no context hence you have just lumped entries and opening kills into one thing, they are not the same, awper in general tend to get and attempt more opening kills as its what the AWP is really good for, you'd need heat map data for that and you'd need to watch him.
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*facepalm*
Everyone knows that, Captain Obvious. Entry kills have never been measured or factored into any of the ratings. Only opening kills are quantified and counted. If Rating1.0 is converted to rating2.0, only opening kills, attempts, success, etc will be counted. What his actual hard entries were, is an irrelevant point. Rating2.0 has nothing to do with that.
Rating2.0 has a few very specific points to take into account. A T-side and CT-side separation of KPR, DPR, KAST, ADR, and Impact (Opening kills, midround multikills and 1vX clutches). That's it. Entry kills are not counted, only opening kills are. Even being the best at opening kills in almost every way on T-side, Yekindar's Rating1.0 is only bumped by 0.09 to 0.1. And Olof's openings are a whole league below Yekindar, statistically. AWP or rifle, it doesn't matter. They take only the kills into account, regardless of the weapon used for the same. And anyway, Yekindar is a pure rifler, while Olof actually AWPed more than Yekindar. Ratings are calculated using the numbers, and not by "watching them". Eye-test is totally irrelevant here. If you look at the numbers for the individual stat components of Rating2.0, Olof would hardly receive a bump of 0.06 to 0.08. I am a tech analyst, by profession. Stop talking if you have no idea what you're talking about, man. This is annoying.
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No you really have no clue I said entries and you bring up opening kills, those are not the same, they arent even really linked as in a lot of rounds you get an opening kill before and exec or any form of site take happens and if you look at the highest success rates they are all awpers, Olof wasnt only really ever a secondary awper.
Just to give you an idea, in 2015 Olof had a rating of 1.15 in 2017 on the 2.0 rating he got a 1.11.
In 2015 Olof had a 0.80 KPR vs 0.73 a massive difference, dies less 0.65 vs 0.66 so marginal but still less, had higher opening kill ratio and rating, had a higher KD, won more clutches and was all round a much better player, get only get 0.04 rating more, the 2.0 system boosted his 2017 rating so much that it looks like he was almost as good, he wasnt.
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Dude, did you even read what I said? You bring up entries, I said they are irrelevant. They are literally not a part of Rating2.0, so why does it matter what his entries were? I never said opening kills = entry kills, so why are you even talking about that? The thing that is actually counted are opening kill stats, which we can all easily find out. Entry kills aren't a part of the discussion, when talking about Rating2.0.
One last time: Entry kills, by themselves, are not counted and are irrelevant, when talking about Rating2.0. Entry kills are not a factor. Only opening kills are.
And for the rest of your numbers, it only shows that 2015 Olof had worse stats than 2021 Niko, in almost every single component, on both T-side and CT-side. And that easily proves that Olof wouldn't even hit 1.25 in Rating2.0. A jump of 0.1 is unheard of, and Olof had no extraordinary numbers. Yes, numbers are all that matter when talking about ratings. Heat-maps and eye-test are irrelevant.
Olof is different because he reached top 1 as an aggressive rifler which hasn’t ever really been done, he was an entry fragger for fnatic.
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It isn't all about age, its about at which year you became a t1 pro and olof was that since 2014 and electronic since very late 2017, also motivation plays a huge role in your performance.
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Also winning, Olof won everything you could in a short stint, once he got to faze his career in terms of proving anything was kind of over, he also had the wrist injury and I also think he lost motivation, once you've been at the top, then you go to a team like Faze where you had 5 legendary players, I think after that fell apart it probably just demotivated him.
He also wasnt in a star role at Faze he was a system player to try and make the team work.
electronic's fundamentals looks so good that even when his reactions and aim is gone I believe he can still hang in there with the young guns for a long time
cold didn't become washed up, it was his team (SK/MIBR) who got washed up, cold was still at his peak in 2018 but mibr put him back
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cold only worked well on Fallen system, as soon as TACO was out and the system changed, he became worse, and when he left for faze he proved he does not have the carry potential s1mple, zywoo and niko have. Also, electronic on form could probably go toe-to-toe with coldzera at his peak consistently, As coldzera is not even close to NiKo at the end of 2021, and electronic did pretty well against the GOAT rifler powered G2
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that's the point exactly, coldzera is a system player just like device, but coldzera had higher peak than niko and electronic, yes niko had 1.35 rating in last couple of months but we are talking the overall year performance
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yes easily, all this while being a dad
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Yes, he is defo up there. He has won everything that is possible, he is consistent(at least of lan), he performs when needed. I think yes, he would be in top 10
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Lul n1
device, s1mple, ZywOo, Niko, GTR, Coldzera, Olofmeister, kennyS, GuardiaN, FalleN, dupreeh, shox, Flusha, Magisk could probably place ahead of Electronic, for their careers. So, it's kinda debatable.
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gla1ve is a personal favourite of mine, but if we start taking roles and subjectivities into account, the discussion quickly turns complex imo. If we're talking about direct output in the server, Gla1ve would probably not be that guy - he is a mastermind orchestrator, but not a fragging genius like the others I chose to mention.
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True, I guess CS Source bias seeped into my answer xD. dupreeh and shox have been slaying since Source.
f0rest jw snax
No, i think there is many veterans who deserved to be in top 10, we just can't remember their achievements well. Do you remember that NBK has 2x Majors? Or guy that never smiles and have quite opposite nickname? Pretty hard, right.
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As if...
We can't say that obvious xD SK didn't win single one in 2017 while being the best team of 2017 and having 2 Majors back to back in 2016.
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Device, Coldzera, s1mple, Zywoo, Dupreeh, Guardian are definetly ahead of Electronic. We can maybe put Snax, Kennys, Shox, Fallen ahead of him too but it's possible for him to be top 10.
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dupreeh, device, cold, s1mple, zywoo, niko,
then elec
then guardian fallen magisk gla1ve olof gtr f0rest snax shox etc.
people overvalue nostalgia. elec has far better trophies and top20 placements than most of you guys top 10 players but just because he wasnt on top in fucking 2014 you undervalue him
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thats true but those who were more that just consistent(olof, cold) were not consistent outside of their prime/peak. Even if elec didnt break top 1 and win multiple majors, he never fell out of the top 10 individually whereas olof and cold turned into immediate shit as soon as they left the teams they peaked with although olof was good as a support in the 2018 faze. Electronic who has always been a top 10 RIFLER not awper for like 5 years should be rewareded as such.
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people forget these players most of the time couldnt maintain their performance on other systems, like coldzera out of SK/MiBR system, or ever after a significant change(taco out). But electronic consistently played at top form(online is an exception, he declined quite a bit cuz of online, but went back to top form as soon as LANs were back), and even endured quite a bit of change in his team and the system they played without losing a bit of performance.
Superstar rifler one of a kind.
Top10 player list is debatable but in terms of consistency yes imo
I think to make just a top 10 list of "best" is not very accurate.
Cuz every player has his own history everyone competes to a different time etc.
Everyone has his own role.
You can easily say that S1mple is the best player for obv reasons but all others is always a question of what put you into consideration.
If I look at IGL
Pronax
Gla1ve
Zeus
GobB
....
Then look at Entry
Support
Lurker
Mixed roles
Second awp etc
You can make a top 10 list for every role and then put the Nr1 and 2 of that list in one List and maybe you have an "accurate" top 10 list
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In terms of success yes. If you miss one piece you struggle hard to win anything.
But more important than a skilled player is a great IGL. A skilled player can help to win maps but without teamplay you barely win a trophie
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No, there are some that are more important, you dont need a lurk, we have seen many team dispense with this, we have seen great teams with without a primary awper or dedicated entries, the idea of roles being that rigid is very limiting as if you support player dies then what? What if your awper dies? What if you entry dies? Everyone needs to be able to do everything.
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"Lurker" isn't a real role, just as "star player" isn't one. They are just playstyles of riflers.
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No lurk is a role, all roles are also play styles a star will play differently to a support.
Prime FalleN >>>
Agree, he's arguably a Top 10 player of all time - There are so many names that have potential!
Though, I think the more years that passes, the more difficult it gets to make a Top 10 of the best players ever.
He has won everything that is possible to win in terms of tournaments. Vice versa, some of the current and former Astralis members haven't won IEM Cologne as an example!
No
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hltv.org/stats/players/compare/8918/elec..
without awp abusing :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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f0rest is not top 10 in CS:GO.
maybe
if he were to be in the top 10 he would be either #10 or #9, and idk if even is.
(in no particular order btw)
dev1ce
coldzera
s1mple
gla1ve
olof
zywoo
get_right
niko
shox ?
electronic ?
kennys ?
jw ?
f0rest ?
dupreeh ?
people who disagree with putting people like kennys or shox in the discussion for the top 10 of all time, or people who think coldzera or olof shouldnt be in top 10 are literally recency bias rats. if you think electronic is anything above #9 you are a delusional navi fan
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i mean jw has 3 majors and used to be one of the best in the world with his agressive awping
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well he mentioned achievements so i mentioned gla1ve.
easily top 5, as he is consistent for years no matter meta or era
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s1mple ofc he is nr.1
cold? he's been twice nr.1 but he is not consistent, not even close to electronic he's never been top 20 again, niko is nr.4 in my list, device is nr.3, get_right inconsistent, as he is been good only when cs was played by NON pros, olof have been once nr.1 and that's it, he's never been top 10 again, not talking about top5.
1.s1mple
2.ZywOo
3.device
4.NiKo
5.electronic
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Cold hasnt been as consistent sure, but being the best player in the world for 2 years in a row non stop plus being very good in the 3rd year is better than being a top10 player for 4 years.
Also recency bias mate. Electronic's carreer isnt better than GTR, F0rest or Snax's (some of those I actually forgot to mention)
device, Xyp9x, dupreeh, Magisk, gla1ve, GeT_RiGhT, olofmeister, coldzera, s1mple, NiKo. No way
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the only team to win 4 majors, 3 EPLs, 3 ECSs. 2 16:0 sweeps in Major Legends Stage, 15:0, 14:1, 12:3 halfs in major play-offs, 3 major victories without losing a single map in the play-offs, the only team to get featured in its entirety in the top-20 (#13 #8 #7 #5 and #2) of 2018, (#16 #14 #5 and #3) in 2019 and (#11 #10 #3) in 2020, the longest lasting top-1 team in history with 406 days on top of the HLTV ranking, also topping the HLTV rankings for 3 years in a row: 2018, 2019 and 2020, 31 map LAN winstreak on Nuke. But surely its all about the flair
You do realise the best player and the best team are not the same, Pronax was not a top 20 player because Fnatic won everything.
JW was not the best awper in the world because Fnatic won everything.
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all time csgo and neo. dude had like 2 sick events in his entire csgo career, solid choice.
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"is-electronic-a-top-10-player-of-all-time-in-csgo" top5 rifle 4 years < 2 good events in 2015 lmao
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1 coldzera
2 zywoo
3 s1mple
4 get right
5 device
6 dupreeh
7 flusha
8 olofmeister
9 krimz
10 fallen
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Recency bias is a thing. Electronic is amazing, but he does not reach top 10. We don't remember how impressive the achievements of old were
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>4 years
>recency bias
SMH
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NO PARTICULAR ORDER
Olof
Gtr
Device
S1mple
NiKo
Cold
Flusha
Zywoo
GuardiaN
JW
Snax
Fallen
KennyS
Shox
Forest
Pasha
Gla1ve
Karrigan
Dupreeh
Krimz
All this players are bigger than eletronic (for now at least)
No
S1mple
Device
Coldzera
Zywoo
Niko
Get Right
KENNYS
Shox
Olofmeister
Guardian
forest
All easily better
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no no no no no no no
Borderline. He is very underrated because he plays with S1mple.
No.
yes
yes, 100%. In csgo 100% but in cs no. But yes, I think yes
My Top 10 of ALL TIME in CSGO, purely my opinion.
1) S1mple
2) NiKo
3) Dev1ce
4) ZywOo
5) Coldzera
6) Olof
7) GeT_RiGhT
8) f0rest
9) Shox
10) Snax
This is purely off of who I think was most dominant during their peak whilst also taking into consideration the level of competition at the time. Obviously it wasn't as competitive during 2013-2016 but it still was with teams like NIP, Fnatic, Luminosity, CLG, EnVy/G2, etc.
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Cold won 2 players of the year instead of 1, so I can see why hes above Olof.
Zywoo is too high hes been world player of the year 2 times sure, but hes not won a massive amount.
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Idk. He surely is a good player, and maybe he get's a spot maybe not, I guess the best way to know is picking players that surely should be there and see if there's any space.
S1mple, NiKo, Dev1ce, Get Right, Forest, Olofmeister Coldzera and shox all should have spots.
Now it's up to anyone to argua about the last 3
S1mple
Device
Niko
Zywoo
Get Right
Coldzera
Olofmeister
KennyS
Shox
Forest
Fallen
Snax
So no hes not yet but i think he can be soon but not yet
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Honestly Zywoo is too high, its 2 years and hes won almost nothing, Cold did 2 years and won multiple majors.
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not ranked just did it in order of who i thought of that would be higher than electronic and who cares if he hasnt won many tournaments being the best player in the world counts for more imo
maybe best 10 riflers
Electronic is better than Niko imo. He doesnt get as much spotlight because of Simple
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low top10
No
In cs go yes
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Nice joke
1. S1mple
2. Devve
3. Cold
4. NiKo
5. Olof
6. Forest
7. GTR
8. Shox
9. Elige
10. Snax
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Tbh 8-10 is a very weird tossup. I feel like shox should be in that list. I also forgot about Flusha who probably replaces snax. And Elige might just be a bit biased but can easily be replaced with electronic
no
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