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NA vs SA Major Spots
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Brazil Nicolito 
I see they unified the American Continent as whole because brazil was stealing the spots from both SA and NA (due to the incompetence of the NA teams?). But would this revive NA Scene? The only decent teams in NA are: Team Liquid Complexity Evil Geniuses When SA have: FURIA GODSENT Last Dance 00Nation (with coldzera and malbs) paiN Sharks TeamOne (with trk) these 10 teams are the favorites to get the 6 spots. Does it save NA scene from death? Will Cloud9, NRG, CLG, 100T, Envy ever come back with a NA Roster? IMO The chances for NA still very minimal in that scenario, they will get 1 or 2 spots at very best.
2022-01-25 20:27
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#1
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China RADNIKEY
NA will be saved when they start importing Brasil players
2022-01-25 20:29
15 replies
#3
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Brazil qrii
well that failed for liquid... but i dont understand why they took only tier 2 players. they did the same for french, took shox. liquid stop being poor wtf
2022-01-25 20:35
13 replies
#52
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Bulgaria VenTMG
in what world are fallen and shox tier 2?
2022-01-25 22:49
12 replies
u think they're both tier 1? i'd reserve tier 1 for players that are in top 20... u cant put shox and NiKo in the same category
2022-01-25 22:56
10 replies
#91
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Bulgaria VenTMG
So half of the players in teams like heroic, liquid, vitality, navi, gambit, g2, nip, faze, astralis are tier 2 then?
2022-01-26 00:34
9 replies
yeah! some people are there just to complete the team because they are all that the team could afford. like interz, perfecto, taco, etc
2022-01-26 00:37
8 replies
#93
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Bulgaria VenTMG
0 iq take. BoombI4 and Perfecto are not even close to tier 2
2022-01-26 00:38
5 replies
different opinions! i see why boombl4 is important but perfecto is just there completing the team, not great but not bad
2022-01-26 00:40
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#99
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Bulgaria VenTMG
not great not bad but definitely not tier 2 level
2022-01-26 00:50
#101
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Cyprus shmoe
flair checks out.
2022-01-26 00:56
#105
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Germany G3er
Perfecto is literally the best clutcher atm your IQ is negative
2022-01-26 01:10
1 reply
role: clutcher
2022-01-26 01:13
what? kkkkkkkk
2022-01-26 00:41
1 reply
like vini in last dance. it's not trk but hey it's someone right? we cant play with 4
2022-01-26 00:46
well they were not even close to their peak performance after all, it's like hiring Ronaldinho after he got out of form
2022-01-25 23:17
#120
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Hungary szia
nah. steel, taco, and fallen on liquid all ended badly
2022-02-03 18:33
#2
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Serbia eliiiiii_
pain (without their hard carry), teamone (without malbs), and sharks are shit godsent can be good and furia will surely be good skeptical about 00nation last dance will be shit most likely
2022-01-25 20:30
12 replies
#5
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Brazil Nicolito
1. i agree paiN lost the hard carry 2. team one lost malbs but got trk who is very good, old 00 was sht 3. sharks... they went on last major at least 4. skeptical about 00? you even mentioned malbs yourself, and plus coldzera and try, strong team. 5. Last dance will be sht against EU, yeah i can deal with that but in Americas they are Tier 1 just like Team Liquid. At least better than new Complexity and NA dead teams for sure.
2022-01-25 20:36
11 replies
No wag you’re putting Last Dance on Liquids level
2022-01-25 20:42
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#16
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Brazil Nicolito
IMO Liquid is better, but they are in same tier in NA. FalleN, VINI are cleary tier 1 players.
2022-01-25 20:43
2 replies
Oh I see. That’s fair
2022-01-25 20:45
fallen is meh Vini is teir 1 support
2022-01-25 23:46
last dance is no way better than col. your fanboyness is talking. You really thank FNX and Fer are still T1? Vini is great and botlz and fallen is ight but every one else is shit
2022-01-25 20:42
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#20
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Brazil Nicolito
fanboyness? Col (ex-extrasalt) couldn't even play the last major, and they even lost their best player OSee. FalleN, boltz and VINI are good players, tell me 1 single player in new col better than they? You got to be baiting, right? Ofc i think Liquid is better, but col? hahahahahah
2022-01-25 20:45
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#48
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United States Azaqa
they lost best player but got 2 new good players soooo.... even trade. Definitely at least equal to last dance.
2022-01-25 21:08
#111
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Brazil frvjoel
Tbf also, fnx is known to go silent for a while and just casualy reach tier 1 again as if he was always there.
2022-01-26 01:32
Last dance have no chance
2022-01-25 20:52
2 replies
#33
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Brazil Nicolito
Players from FURIA, Liquid and MIBR reunited. Do you really think they have no chance for 6 spots in America? Delusional, they have more chance than Complexity, who have real chances. FalleN is the best IGL in Americas, VINI is the best support in Americas. I agree that they are far from being favorites and there is a chance that they will be left out. But no chance to classify? in NA? you have got to be kidding me.
2022-01-25 20:59
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no firepower Vini and fallen only players that have potential besides fallen and fer have a long and storied history of losing to tier 2 NA hltv.org/matches/2338800/cloud9-vs-mibr-.. hltv.org/matches/2341563/mibr-vs-cloud9-.. hltv.org/matches/2342208/mibr-vs-chaos-c..
2022-01-25 21:04
#4
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Argentina akafranc0
9z>Sharks, Team One,Last Dance, godsent
2022-01-25 20:35
1 reply
#62
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Chile 1cristiaan
+1
2022-01-25 23:27
#6
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Brazil FallenMais4
Only team liquid get a spot.
2022-01-25 20:37
SA 6 spots NA 0
2022-01-25 20:37
#8
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Brazil williamhsk1
Brazilians will continue to take many NA spots the same way, so whatever. 6 NA spots predict: - Furia - Liquid - Godsent (maybe) - Complexity (maybe) - 00Nation (maybe) - EG (maybe, if Stewie2k doesnt tilt)
2022-01-25 20:39
18 replies
#9
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Brazil Nicolito
You are being very optimistic for NA saying that all their 3 teams will get the spots, would be a massive win for them actually. I'd say Last Dance instead of Complexity.
2022-01-25 20:42
2 replies
I don't think I'm being optimistic, Complexity in the debut game managed to get a map out of Gambit (TOP 2 World). I don't think their lineup will do badly in NA
2022-01-25 20:42
Those 3 teams have a better chance than the majority of SA teams besides Furia and Godsent and possibly 00Nation now.
2022-01-25 21:06
-Col +Last Dance pls god
2022-01-25 20:41
4 replies
Hey, wake up - TeamSpeak's voice
2022-01-25 20:42
3 replies
I may be being a lunatic, but I think Last Dance (with the blessing of Jesus Christ) can beat Complexity and would make decent games against EG.
2022-01-25 20:44
2 replies
For me the odds of The Last Dance against EG and Complexity are 25/75 in favor of EG and Complexity
2022-01-25 20:47
nah, our heart can think that Last Dance will do something relevant, but our brain knows that it will be only sad to watch, probably
2022-01-25 23:19
Complexity (extra salt) couldnt make it last major And EG almost lost also and it was against much easier competition online On Lan we will see much different game being played
2022-01-25 20:41
9 replies
EG has a new lineup today keeping only Brehze and Cerq, your comparison doesn't make sense... And Complexity is a favorite against Pain, Team One, ATK, The Last Dance among other NA teams outside the current list.
2022-01-25 20:44
8 replies
Online sure complexity have advantage, but Lan is a much different game to play. And EG has 2 players that were playing valorant a month ago.
2022-01-25 20:47
7 replies
They said the same about Gambit and Heroic in the online era and both teams reached the semi finals of the Major in Lan, with fans. Nowadays most players have psychologists and they work the mental well so they don't play badly in Lan, don't be fooled by this that a player in Lan will play badly just for being in a Lan. they can barely see the crowd, that's if the next Major has fans depending on the pandemic situations. A professional player these days already gets it into his head that, being a pro player, he will eventually have to play on a stage for an entire crowd to see him.
2022-01-25 20:52
6 replies
Heroic and Gambit didnt win any Lan event and didnt get to grandfinal so often anymore, G2 was way behind them in the ranks during online era but got to the final of almost every big lan event after that. It still makes huge difference.
2022-01-25 20:56
3 replies
Gambit reached the final of the Blast World Finals and won V4 an event in Lan, G2 did not win anything this year, both in the online and Lan era, only reached the Major final. Not to mention that at the Major Gambit lost to the champion. And we're talking about a year where NAVI was dominant... It wasn't Gambit that couldn't beat NAVI, nobody could beat NAVI
2022-01-25 21:00
2 replies
They defeated Navi many times online before that. Also using V4 as a example, are you joking?
2022-01-25 21:03
1 reply
It's a trophy in Lan just as the discussion is about them playing well in Lan. And today one is Top 2 and the other Top 5. If both were onliners, they would both be in the Top 15
2022-01-25 21:05
Heroic and gambit even got top1 during online time
2022-01-25 20:58
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Top 2 Top 5 Even after the end of the Online Era, an online team would not hold on to these positions.
2022-01-25 21:05
I think at the next major the teams from Americas will be Team Liquid EG Col Furia Godsent 00Nation the next 2 teams in line that I don't think will make it, but have the next best chance if one of these teams fails are Dap's Orgless Pain
2022-01-25 20:47
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Daps Orgless will be the new Extra Salt most likely Party Astronauts is a good team that goes unnoticed as well. A lot like LFO.
2022-01-25 21:05
you should've said SA have: FURIA GODSENT 00nation and 9z because lets be real these are the only promising teams and the rest is kinda meh
2022-01-25 20:51
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#29
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Brazil Nicolito
9z lost they star AWPer to reunite with Coldzera and Malbs in 00Nation, so -9z +00. Other than that, paiN and Sharks went on last major using NA spots easily. Lastly, Last Dance with VINI, FalleN and boltz are promising players coming from FURIA and Liquid. TeamOne with trk is a team to watch, but ok i would remove, but not the rest.
2022-01-25 20:54
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ok maybe the last dance works alrigh but i'll be more interested in some of the NA lineups than SA at the moment.
2022-01-25 21:03
SA=BRAZIL lmao
2022-01-25 20:52
1 reply
#30
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Brazil Nicolito
00Nation has Try and Malbs, very good players. There's also 9z, but not as good as the others.
2022-01-25 20:55
NA needs young talent first, orgs aren't going to come back with money if the best talent they can sign is the fucking Bad News Bears roster. The only solid young player with potential that we can be excited about right now is oSee. Without young talent we can't be saved.
2022-01-25 20:52
1 reply
#72
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Brazil drydden
I thought FaNg was a young prospect? What is the situation there since you have more knowledge about it?
2022-01-25 23:55
Liquid + eg > Last Dance paiN Sharks Team One
2022-01-25 20:56
SA do not have seven good teams. Furia are good. Godsent are decent, no more than that. The rest are pretty trash.
2022-01-25 21:02
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#47
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United States Azaqa
new 00nation is quite promising though, Id say furia godsent and 00nation
2022-01-25 21:06
9z is a very strong team and they already showed it last year, now they are stronger with the reinforcements
2022-01-25 23:37
1 reply
they lost their star player + their igl. It looks promising on paper, but CS is not just about hitting heads.
2022-01-26 00:28
5 SA 1 NA (Liquid) Topic closed
2022-01-25 21:03
NA be living rent free
2022-01-25 21:05
#46
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United States Azaqa
lol if you want to count shit brazilian teams like teamone, last dance, pain (no saffee), and sharks then you can count NA teams like Party Astronauts, Orgless (daps), BnB, RGB etc. stop coping
2022-01-25 21:06
#49
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United States cmohr
Pain and Sharks are garb, they got wiped from the major. Last chance is a retirement home. Team One sucks. Godsent is alright, but I dont think they will win anything in Europe, maybe get some upset wins every now and again. Only teams with a chance in SA are Furia and 00Nation, and I kinda doubt 00Nation do anything unless Try turns out to be a hard carry or VSM shows up like he did when he first joined MIBR. I think the major will have Liquid Complexity EG Furia Godsent 00Nation (maybe) I dont think SA is that much better than NA right now, maybe there are more good teams in SA, but at the top they're pretty much the same.
2022-01-25 21:13
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#117
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Brazil Nicolito
yes right, Complexity loses to mibr (with stand-in btw), and i didn't even put mibr in the list for SA teams lol.
2022-02-03 14:01
2 replies
#118
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United States cmohr
its one match and the first event of the year with a new lineup, chill
2022-02-03 18:26
1 reply
#119
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Brazil Nicolito
they lost both matches to mibr which even brazilians call a meme. also lost to ECSTATIC, BIG, G2, and Gambit. 5 loses in a row. Also was first event of the year with new lineup from mibr, and with a freaking stand-in.... no excuses.
2022-02-03 18:30
No, I'm pretty sure these 3 NA teams will all get a spot because there's really not much of a competition from SA. Only Furia and Godsent can be compared to the 3 NA teams, but the rest aren't really even close to their level. I think It's gonna be Liquid, Evil Geniuses, Complexity, Furia for sure, and then probably Godsent and finally 00Nation, or possibly Last Dance depending on how good they will be. But I don't think the rest of the SA teams (paiN, TeamOne, etc.) have a chance to get a spot.
2022-01-25 21:17
NA will probably be the same as now, but Asia scene will be dead (even more)
2022-01-25 21:18
2 replies
#76
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Brazil drydden
The only asian teams that are decently competitive are the chinese ones, and I read somewhere China has placed bans on gaming hours, so definitely they will take a hit
2022-01-25 23:58
1 reply
It's for underage people only so their bigger teams won't be affected
2022-01-26 07:59
furia and godsent are far ahead of the others, probably liquid and COL will make it too, last 2 spots between EG, last dance, 00nation, new extra salt and PA
2022-01-25 22:52
3 replies
#55
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Brazil Nicolito
new extra-salt? they sold their roster to Complexity, there's no one left and there's not even rumours for a new roster, what are you talking about?
2022-01-25 23:09
2 replies
daps roster
2022-01-25 23:54
1 reply
#74
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Brazil Nicolito
oh, even party astrounauts are better, forgot about they.
2022-01-25 23:56
Furia and Godsent are the only good BR teams. 00nation new team, they might scrape by and make it though. Liquid, CoL, Furia, Godsent, and MAYBE EG
2022-01-25 23:11
#59
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United States gweees
What you're forgetting is that those 3 NA teams will be partnered for the majority of events and will have the most practice against T1. Also Orgless (Extra Salt soon) and Party Astronauts still exist which would shit on sharks and TeamOne without malbs. They will also probably be on the level of Pain and Last Dance.
2022-01-25 23:19
6 replies
#60
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Brazil Nicolito
Party Astronauts on same level of paiN and Last Dance. Is this some NA kind of joke? :/
2022-01-25 23:25
5 replies
#61
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United States gweees
Pain lost their hard carry and Last Dance has old low fraggers besides boltz and Vini who is a support player
2022-01-25 23:26
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#67
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Brazil Nicolito
ok but party astronauts are just randoms. not even close to last major, paiN, FalleN and VINI did it easily. Vs Liquid ok, they are better, vs EG ok, debatable but Party Astrounauts? its a meme lol, even mch (retired br player) said partyastronauts player are br fans who asked autographies for him and other br players who kept saying in the match br are "speed demons" while losing. come on lmfao you are baiting.
2022-01-25 23:48
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#73
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United States gweees
No im not lmao Party Astronauts beat Extra Salt with oSee, pain with saffee and BNB on more than one occasion they even broke into the top 30-40 this year which is a lot better than most of the teams that you are hyping up to be better then them.
2022-01-25 23:56
Party Astronauts aren't "just randoms" and so what if they are br fans?
2022-01-26 00:00
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#78
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Brazil Nicolito
they admit tier 2 br cs are better inside the game. And now that kid is saying they are better than FalleN, VINI, Boltz, fer, fnx.... f off with that bait.
2022-01-26 00:01
9z and furia are the best teams in SA, they have a lot of faith in new teams br
2022-01-25 23:32
5 replies
#68
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Brazil Nicolito
9z? 9z lost they star AWPer (try) to reunite with Coldzera and Malbs in 00Nation. FURIA, GODSENT and Last Dance, now 00Nation > 9z.
2022-01-25 23:49
4 replies
kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk the last dance is so bad, luken and dav1d so strong player
2022-01-25 23:50
3 replies
#71
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Brazil Nicolito
are you trying to bait or something? you look like an argentinian child who is angry with brazil and is pissed off on social media, i'll just ignore those random names compared to legends. it must be really hard to always be second in everything in south america.
2022-01-25 23:55
2 replies
Brasil bestest country! Lesgo Brasil
2022-01-26 00:02
yeah boy
2022-01-26 00:24
#65
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United States TARIK_GOAT
last dance OMEGALUL
2022-01-25 23:43
Confirmed spots: Liquid, Furia Likely spots: EG, coL, 00Nation, Godsent, Last Dance Maybe a Cinderella run, but not likely at all: Team One, Pain, Sharks, Orgless, Party Astronauts, MIBR
2022-01-25 23:57
3 replies
#79
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Brazil drydden
The thing is the current MIBR isn't even top 5 inside Brazil, they can't beat 9z and Sharks, let alone the strong teams like Furia and Godsent
2022-01-26 00:01
1 reply
That's why I put MIBR in the unlikely tier. Should've put 9z in there too, but honestly I'm not sure how good they'll be now.
2022-01-26 00:31
#81
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Brazil Nicolito
+99 finally someone who has brain.
2022-01-26 00:05
#82
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France masnoi
if you count teams like fucking sharks pain team one then you must count Chococheck, Party Astronauts, Bad News Bears and Orgless, although i would not count these teams at all, including the SA's ones, they are europe tier 3
2022-01-26 00:08
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#83
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Brazil Nicolito
sharks played last major checks out paiN played last major checks out (above Evil Geniuses, GODSENT) party who? bad new randoms who? oh orgless? dude you are kidding me? Seems you know nothing about Americas CS.
2022-01-26 00:16
2 replies
#84
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France masnoi
flag checks out
2022-01-26 00:17
1 reply
#86
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Brazil Nicolito
Now you going to talk about flags? was refuted and now comes with this? Ew.... typical of people who can't see themselves wrong and go for skin color, flags or anything else to take the focus off the argument. Party Astronauts didn't even participate the last Americas RMR because no relevance. BNB had literally 0 points in RMR. And you saying that they are in the same level with teams who actually qualified and played the major? above good teams? You are 100% baiting or know literally nothing about americas CS.
2022-01-26 00:23
Liquid, Col, EG, Furia, 00, Last Dance PA and Orgless are upset picks but it'll depend a lot on who they play in RMR (PA > EG if they kept Infinite). BNB is dead unfortunately. Chococheck maybe if they're VERY lucky. NA Challenger League will be a decent indicator of what to expect. pAIN and Team One have no chance without their carries and idk what to think about GODSENT. Sharks and MIBR have 0 chance unless everyone else forfeits
2022-01-26 00:26
SA may have more teams on that list, but they are really inferior to the 3 main NA teams. I see furia and godsent making it, but all the others will fail at the first hurdle
2022-01-26 00:21
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#98
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Brazil Madamrocas
I dont have much faith in stew roster tbh
2022-01-26 00:46
2 replies
They're the NA version of the last dance both of them will struggle
2022-01-26 00:52
1 reply
Yeah, i dont have faith in neither, but eg looks like a better lineup than Last dance imo
2022-01-26 02:35
#96
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Brazil Madamrocas
Pretty much impossible to predict since we didn't saw nor Eg, liquid, last dance and 00 nation. The only true obvious pick is furia since we dont know the other good teams, and the others aren't super strong.
2022-01-26 00:46
NA will never win cs..
2022-01-26 01:02
Furia is the only decent Brazilian team, every team you listed below godsent have been beaten by tier 2/3 NA teams like party astronauts and bad news bears. Not to mention coL was dominating all of them besides Furia. Liquid will show the best results, along with Furia and coL
2022-01-26 01:04
#104
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Uruguay FranNwP
9z>Pain,TeamOne,Sharks,00Nation
2022-01-26 01:07
#106
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Denmark Mursten
NA and SA should share 2 spots in total and compete for those
2022-01-26 01:10
TeamOne < PartyAstronauts
2022-01-26 01:11
dude FURIA and GODSENT are good teamone and paiN both lost their best players stop pretending BR is good lmao
2022-01-26 01:24
I like this change :D
2022-01-26 01:25
Pain, godsent and Sharks over 9z?
2022-01-26 01:46
Only like one of the Brazilian teams you mentioned is actually competitive with the NA teams. Teams like PA are better than half the br teams on that list. Delusional much?
2022-01-26 01:53
1 reply
PA lmao
2022-01-26 12:20
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