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Top 20 Players of All Time With Reasoning
Brollan | 
United States shmolhistorian 
To decide placements I factored stats, achievements, team, potential, influence on the game, competition of the time, and impact. Critiques are welcome and encouraged. 1 - Simple - Top 2 player for the past 4 years, major MVP, best stats of any top player. 2 - Device - Top 5 basically his whole career, 4x majors, second best stats of any top player. 3 - Niko - Top 5 most of his career, incredible impact in all his teams, best rifler of all time. 4 - Zywoo - Dominated since 2019, but hasn’t had the impact of players like Niko and isn’t as good as device or simple, still has a long career ahead of him. 5 - KennyS - When he is at his peak he is the best player in the world but inconsistent compared to Simple and Device, and one dimensional (aggressive awping). 6 - Get_Right - May have been more dominant in his era compared to someone like KennyS or Zywoo but was against much easier competition and the sport was much less developed. 7 - Coldzera - Despite putting up high numbers his kills have much less impact compared to a rifler like Niko. 8 - Forest - Stayed in Get_Rights shadow for his whole career, completely dropped off in 2017, but has maintained Tier 2 form with Dignitas. 9 - Ropz - Carried Mouz during their mini era at the end of 2019, was the only thing Mouz had during the online era, has so much potential now that he has moved to Faze and is back under Karrigans leadership. 10 - Olofmeister - Peeked right when the game started to become more funded and more orgs began to join, but still nothing compared to the competition of today. 11 - Guardian - Lingered around the top 10 his whole career staying being Olof when he peeked 12 - Electronic - Top 5 rifler of all time, despite staying in Simples shadow his entire career he has still been able to find impact in Navi. 13 - Elige - Despite being lackluster during the online era Elige was a main driving factor for Liquids era in 2019 and has still performed throughout online play. 14 - NAF - NAF is the second best player that NA has ever produced. He is the most versatile NA player as he has awped, rifled, lurked, entried, and has maintained consistency throughout his time on Liquid. 15 - Dupreeh - Another top rifler of all time Dupreeh is Devices Electronic. He is also very versatile, sometimes going in first, sometimes lurking, etc. 16 - Fer - Fer was a driving factor for Brazil's rise to prevalence alongside coldzera and fall. 17 - Shox - Helped define the lurking role and changed the meta, when he peeks he is an incredible player. 18 - Fallen - The best Brazilian awper/igl of all time. Has incredible influence over the Brazilian scene. 19 - Magisk - Helped define what an entry player looked like during the Astralis eras. 20 - Twistzz - Another driving factor for Team Liquids 2019 run, some of the best aim of any player on this list. However, his last year on Liquid showed how one dimensional he is as a player faltering in supportives roles and dropping in form. Honorable Mentions: Flusha, JW, Fer, Flamie, Konfig, NBK, Snax, Krimz.
2022-01-26 04:06
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#1
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United States ilkym00th
Why ropz so high, you’re high bro wtf
2022-01-26 04:09
4 replies
I explained that I also used potential and team context as factors which is also why Zywoo is higher than Kenny and Get Right. They may not actually be better based on the games that they've played. But they obviously are going to be better based on potential.
2022-01-26 04:12
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#9
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United States ilkym00th
Yeah but career wise Naf>ropz as a lurker
2022-01-26 04:14
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Thats definitely true but Ropz stays on the rifle exclusively. Because of NAFs team he has to go through phases where he needs to switch between rifling and Awping which no doubt hurts his perfomance.
2022-01-26 04:25
#102
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Finland Kashmiir
Yeah I find it weird even he on that list. Isn't he start his career for like 4 years by now? A lot of other great players, tho. No one for VP for example, PennyS etc. My perspective its kinda different. Others seems right tho, even I do not put names like Twistzz and NAF.
2022-01-27 22:11
#2
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Brazil vgzz
honorable mentions: fer top 16: fer
2022-01-26 04:09
7 replies
oopsie
2022-01-26 04:11
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#5
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Brazil vgzz
np
2022-01-26 04:11
hahaha, I actually laughed
2022-01-26 14:14
He created this list while being unfocused, clearly he didn't try to use even a half of his brain cells. Shit list.
2022-01-27 21:58
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#89
JACKZ | 
Croatia bert0
still more relevant then 80% of the lists from others
2022-01-27 22:00
2 replies
Ropz top 10 Relevant all time list
2022-01-27 22:14
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#139
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Brazil vgzz
and gla1ve is out
2022-01-27 23:27
#3
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Europe DiVbAnG
ropz in top 10 sheeesh
2022-01-26 04:10
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2022-01-26 04:12
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#17
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Europe DiVbAnG
"greatest of all time" "...potential..." right this list is dog shit 6 in your list didnt even win a damn major. also no flusha? no krimz? no nbk? this list is all over the place. theres just so much wrong here i dont even know where to start
2022-01-26 04:22
27 replies
Make a better one then, I'm willing to bet 15/20 players will be the same as mine. At the end of the day there has to be some speculation and opinion when deciding the last 5/20 Nice edit bro. Flusha, krimz, and nbk are not better than anyone on the list. And winning majors means the team was better, we're talking about players here not teams.
2022-01-26 04:27
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#24
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Europe DiVbAnG
aight mine would prob be 1. s1mple (5x top 5, 1 major, 1 GS ton of mvps) 2. device (5x top 5, 4 majors, insane amount of mvps) 3. niko (4x top 5, lots of mvps) 4. dupreeh (7x top 20, 4 majors) 5. flusha (4x top 20, 3 majors) 6. shox (4x top 20, 2 majors) 7. get right (2x top1, 1 major) 8. kennyS (5x top 20, 1 major) 9. f0rest (4x top 20, 1 major) 10. coldzera (2xtop1, 2 major) 11. snax 12 electronic 13 magisk 14 zywoo 15 krimz 16 olof 17 fallen 18 elige 19 stewie 20 JW not really bothered filling out the rest but you get the picture.
2022-01-26 04:33
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damn ZywOo has to be at least in top10 as well I know I know he is here just for 3 years so far but still 3x top2 (2 of them are #1), I think 11 MVPs
2022-01-26 16:31
Olof 16? Zywoo 14?
2022-01-26 16:41
It obvious you're braindead. Stewie is am important figure in NA cs but he is not a top 20 player of all time and definitely not just one spot below Elige. Magisk, electronic, snax, coldezera, and many more are not better than Zywoo. Dupreeh is not better than get right, kennys, and forest. It looks like you just took Top 20 placements and major wins and then added a little bit of thought to it. Its obvious you don't pay much attention to actual games and just read HTLV posts.
2022-01-27 21:45
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#123
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Europe DiVbAnG
ive watched almost all big tournaments since cologne 2014 and ofc some kid with a 2019 acc talking to me like im new.
2022-01-27 22:43
3 replies
You are not but 74 is right
2022-01-27 23:10
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#134
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Europe DiVbAnG
if you think get right and f0rest are greater players than dupreeh in csgo. god help you.
2022-01-27 23:12
Btw really good list, but stewie is not even top30 man, maybe top 35 or so
2022-01-27 23:12
lol dupreeh 4 meanwhile olof 16 stewie 19 xddd
2022-01-27 21:59
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#121
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Europe DiVbAnG
dupreeh has 4 major wins and 7 top 20 placements. he is so far ahead of olof it isnt even close. also stewie has a major and grandslam.
2022-01-27 22:41
3 replies
okay, so pronax >>> s1mple ?
2022-01-27 23:43
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#148
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Europe DiVbAnG
how did you figure that out? pronax has 0 top 20s and really poor stats. i never said only majors matter? this forum is a waste of time debating people because all it is is shitty strawmans. literally your only reply is to make up a statement which i neither made nor implied. in fact i explicitly have the opposite of that. next time dont bother replying to me.
2022-01-28 00:21
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Stewie, 0 top 20, 2 mvps, somehow on the top 20 of all time, 0 logic for him being above jw with 3 mvps(1 of which major), 3 top 10 entries, actual era, more achievements in every single way.
2022-01-28 17:56
I dont think shox himself would think he is better than zywoo all time and you put him 10 spot under
2022-01-27 22:29
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#122
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Europe DiVbAnG
its of ALL time. zywoo cant place much higher than where he is due to only playing for 3 years. shox has 2 major wins, couple mvps, tournament wins and a ton of top 20 placements. in the grand scheme of csgo he is a greater player.
2022-01-27 22:42
2 replies
Shox won one major and literally it was in 2014 when competition was %10 of today wtf Wtf shox has 4 mvps and zywoo has 12 mvps lmao and shox made top 20 only 4 times lmao 2013 2014 2015 2016
2022-01-27 22:49
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#127
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Europe DiVbAnG
bro lmao i thought he won twice. that definitely needs some revision. he should probably drop down to 11-13 then
2022-01-27 22:51
#145
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United Kingdom legji
No Guardian? Shit list.
2022-01-27 23:46
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#149
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Europe DiVbAnG
cry about it. to be considered a great you need either ungodly stats, consistency or important trophies. guardian has none.
2022-01-28 00:22
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#174
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United Kingdom legji
top 3 AWPer and top 10 player for seven years isn't consistency okay retard xD
2022-01-28 04:06
zywoo without mentioning 2x top 1 and multiple mvps? lmao also 2x top 1 > 4x top 20
2022-01-28 01:36
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#160
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Europe DiVbAnG
people will say 2x top 1> 4x top 20 then rank gtr ahead of cold immediately after lmao. i disagree, majors are important factors in terms of "greatness"
2022-01-28 02:11
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cold > gtr ofc but i disagree with majors importance. For me pronax is not legendary and greatest, but guardian very much is
2022-01-28 03:07
To be fair, there is never going to be a fair list because of how different every persons list is going to be. You yourself have Olofmeister placed at 16 despite the fact has 2 Majors and a Top 1 placing, and yet is 16th? Shox has only won 1 Major in 2014 with LDLC at Dreamhack Winter 2014, so I have no idea where he got the second one from...
2022-01-28 03:02
imo 20 players is a lot I would rather make top10 it would be easier and more accurate but still I wouldnt put potential there why would you do that nobody cares what COULD be in future if you are making list of the best from past until now
2022-01-26 16:25
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#125
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Europe DiVbAnG
agreed. very difficult to rank certain things above others. personally i rank majors and top 20 placements highly, others care a lot about mvps and individual performances etc. it depends on what people rate more highly. but for me, the major is what sets the good from the great.
2022-01-27 22:45
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Egypt BomberMan_
Krimz should be there over Twistzz 100%. I think NAF and elige are overrated a bit. GTR and f0rest with the past like few years now should be around the top 15 imo. Guardian should be top 10 (which would happen when demoting GTR+f0rest).
2022-01-26 04:12
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I maybe agree about the GTR, Forest, Guardian take. But I don't think Elige and NAF are over rated, maybe Elige is over rated, but NAF is definitely fairly rated. They were simply mechanically better than everyone in 2019. And you also have to take into consideration that the first half of their careers are against NA and Oceanic teams (when NAF was in Renegades), if they had the opportunity to play against T1 EU teams early on in their careers who knows where they would be now.
2022-01-26 04:15
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#92
JACKZ | 
Croatia bert0
i agree, NAF is 100% fairly rated, borderline underrated... the guy is one of THE most consistent players i've ever seen
2022-01-27 22:02
I think Elige's 2019 was one of the highest peaks a rifler has ever achieved, pretty fair placement because of that IMO
2022-01-28 02:11
#11
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France marponche
ZywOo > NiKo
2022-01-26 04:17
5 replies
Zywoo is not as impactful as Niko and hasn't performed as well as Niko has at majors. Zywoo also has had a solid team around him his entire career, which Niko hasn't always had.
2022-01-26 04:18
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#25
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France marponche
ZywOo has been carrying the entire french scene for his first three years in tier 1, top1 twice with 13 MVPs already, he is playing alongside 1.0 rating players on average, none of them ever make or are close to make the top20. NiKo was in FaZe with top players, lost to C9 shitters in major final, has hunter again in G2 who is a top20 player as well and wins fuck all.
2022-01-26 04:41
#30
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World NukestrikE
Ehm what...?
2022-01-26 05:25
Might be a shmol historian but you shouldn’t think of cs history
2022-01-26 05:37
#36
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
ZywOo hasn't attended as many Majors as NiKo has and to say he has less impact than NiKo can't be right... It's ZywOo we're talking about here - He is third overall in MVP's after just three years of tier 1 CS alone.
2022-01-26 05:39
Overall this is accurate especially top 8. Good list.
2022-01-26 04:18
1 reply
Ty men
2022-01-26 04:19
#14
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
good list, i have some disagreements but overall i agree with almost everything. only disagreements, ropz being that high & wheres snax? snax was top 5 for 3 years. not to mention one of the most impactful players in a roster that lasted 5 years with no changes. etc etc. snax should be on this list 100%
2022-01-26 04:19
2 replies
I could maybe see that but he was top 5 very early on in the game and never faced any modern competition at their peaks other than Astralis.
2022-01-26 04:22
1 reply
Then why you put f0rest?
2022-01-27 22:25
Not bad, but holy fuck Flusha is top 10 easily. MUCH higher
2022-01-26 04:19
2 replies
Sorry you must own skins to be on this list.
2022-01-26 04:25
1 reply
he owns cheats on his pc so he might as well own some skinchanger as well so no need for real skins
2022-01-26 16:48
#19
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Ukraine Bakagan
ropz shouldn't be here
2022-01-26 04:22
2 replies
I think ropz is better than everyone below him.
2022-01-26 04:25
1 reply
not all time.
2022-01-27 23:36
ropz shouldn’t be on here, dupreeh and shox should be higher than gtr
2022-01-26 04:48
no snax = all list to trashcan, sry
2022-01-26 04:59
3 replies
Typical salty polish player, hasn't seen real counter strike since 2017.
2022-01-27 21:46
2 replies
snax at his peak was way better than atleast 5 guys on this list
2022-01-28 01:33
1 reply
i agree
2022-01-28 02:25
shut up
2022-01-26 05:03
decent list
2022-01-26 05:08
#31
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World NukestrikE
"but hasn’t had the impact of players like Niko and isn’t as good as device" Just can't agree with this at all...
2022-01-26 05:26
4 replies
Niko has played longer and has objectively had more impact in his teams overall. Since Zywoo entered T1 he had Alex, Apex, and XTQZ for leadership; and Shox, RPK, Misutaa, and Nivera for fire power. In mouz Niko had pretty much no one except maybe ChrisJ. In Faze, Rain was the only consistent player, and Karrigan was the only leadership. Other than that the rest of FaZes history is made up of dying stars like Cold, Olof, and Guardian, and a rotation of washed players that were basically substitutes like xizt, cromen, bymas, neo, adren, and so on. Only now that he is on G2 does he actually have enough fire power and leadership to where he doesn't have to hard carry a team. I'd say Niko has played better under harder circumstance than Zywoo did with a better team.
2022-01-27 21:52
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#81
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World NukestrikE
"Niko has played longer" doesnt mean that he is better tho "and has objectively had more impact in his teams overall" based on? he had much better teams and team mates in his career "Since Zywoo entered T1 he had Alex, Apex, and XTQZ for leadership" alex unproven igl on t1 level with strat zywoo go kill, apex who wasnt igl before he took it after alex and he was actually called all aim no brain player for almost whole his career lol. i like xtqz tho "and Shox, RPK, Misutaa, and Nivera for fire power" shox was just bad in vitality if we consider his role, rpk was good role player but far from good firepower, nivera was only taking awp from him so zywoo played as entry or solo pretty often(and had more or less the same stats btw), playing only some maps and misutaaa is inconsistent AF. he never had top20 or even top30 player in his team. how on earth can you even try to comapre it with guardian(still late prime, top10 player when he was in faze), olof who was still top20 player when he joined faze, rain who peaked with him as top4 player or hunter who was top13 in 2020 and top 12 last year honestly you cant be serious in your comment lmao. you just CANT. zywoo as literally only player that reached top 20 from vitality pretty much carried this team to top3 team of the year 3 freaking years str8
2022-01-27 22:07
Imagine thinking faze 2018 was worse than vitality players loooool 0/8
2022-01-27 22:24
I don't understand how you take "potential" to rank ropz but then you seem to forget it for Zywoo , you're list is too much personal preference . you don't have the same base of judgement for each player. +Faze had only rain when niko played ??? wtff ?? have you heard of Guardian and olofmeister ??
2022-01-28 01:08
No Flusha but Ropz in top 10 is delusional
2022-01-26 05:31
1 reply
Flusha peaked in 2015-16 ropz has played against navi, astralis, liquid, and vitality at their peaks. There is no contest here
2022-01-27 21:53
#33
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
"4 - Zywoo - Dominated since 2019, but hasn’t had the impact of players like Niko and isn’t as good as device or simple, still has a long career ahead of him." Top 1 two years straight isn't as impactful as NKo or as good as s1mple or Device? He's tied with s1mple in that record and beats Device altogether - Only think ZywOo lacks is accolades but considering he hasn't played for as long as Device or s1mple, using that against him is a tad unfair. I get the reason behind ropz's placing but 9th over players like Olofmeister, FalleN and Dupreeh is something I can't really agree with. My last criticism is that Snax should at least get a mention for carrying VP on his back for near enough 2 whole years + has a Major win. With that, I respect your opinion. :)
2022-01-26 05:35
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Snax was an honorable mention with the likes of konfig and flamie which is crazy. During Konfigs best year he wasn’t even a top 10 player but top 25 all time lmao. And flamie has never been a top 10 player either but Flusha or Snax which we’re insane players are on their same caliber
2022-01-26 05:39
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#38
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
I didn't see Snax as an honourable mention, so thank you for that. After seeing it, there are a lot of players there that easily could've made the list, most definitely. That's probably one of the reasons I love lists like this, despite how inaccurate or illogical they may be on the surface, it's fun to know what others opinions are in a list such as this one.
2022-01-26 05:42
This is a good take but I disagree When I say impact I don't just mean rating I mean how much impact in the round does each players kills have. Niko entries, gets multi kills, trades, etc. he can do anything with the rifle. I don't see that in Zywoos awping. They are both incredible players but when I watch them play I think Niko has a greater impact on winning rounds than Zywoo does. I think you should also take into consideration Major performance. Niko carried his team to 2nd place twice, whereas, Zywoo has consistenly crumbled on the major stage in the quarter finals (granted he has only been to 3 majors).
2022-01-27 21:57
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NiKo has attended way more Majors than ZywOo, though. Otherwise, Major ratings are pretty one of the very few things NiKo actually beats ZywOo in, any other statistics are usually ZywOo leading overall. Only player to top ZywOo's statistics are s1mple, which says more about ZywOo than NiKo but I'll give praise NiKo praise and credit where it is due, most definitely. I just can't agree that NiKo has more impact than ZywOo does when he singlehandedly carried Vitality for the two years he was Top 1. Overall, I can see the point you're making and you value impact differently than I do, so fair enough. :) I respect your opinion, friend. ^^
2022-01-27 22:13
im not sure if you even watch games so some numbers hltv.org/news/28877/top-20-players-of-20.. 0.14 opening kills per round(ranked as second of the year) 61.3% opening duels won(ranked as 5th of the year) 21.9% rounds with multikills(ranked as second of the year) 61 1vX clutches won(ranked as 6th of the year) hltv.org/news/31024/top-20-players-of-20.. 0.15 opening kills per round(ranked as 4th of the year) 62.6% opening duels won(ranked as 2nd of the year) 21.3% rounds with multi kills(ranked as 2nd of the year) 88 1vX clutches won(ranked as 1st of the year) hltv.org/news/33152/top-20-players-of-20.. 0.14 opening kills per round(ranked as 5th of the year) 61.2% opening duels won(ranked as 9th of the year) 20.8% rounds with multikill(ranked as 2nd of the year) 0.16 trade kills per round(ranked as 2nd of the year) he has INSANE impact on both sides of the floor. its either early round with opening kills or late round with clutches....and i will not even talk about his t side ratings, play off ratings, adr, pistol round ratings, impact ratings, ratings vs the very best teams etc. its insane how can someone say that player x is better than player y based on literally nothing...
2022-01-27 22:36
#34
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Brazil FreeLula
kennys overrated cold and gtr too low ropz too high olof and dupreeh too low wtf is twistzz and naf doing there terrible list you dumb
2022-01-26 05:36
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Brazilians consistently disagree with top 20 lists because they can't accept the fact that their era was a fluke and their favorite players are simply not as good as the rest of the world.
2022-01-27 22:01
2 replies
Wait a minute, they had an era?
2022-01-27 22:37
2 years fluke omegalul
2022-01-28 02:07
#39
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Bulgaria Flawstr1ke
I feel like Xypex should be there too, at least as an honorable mention. The guy has been one of if not the best support player (and basically helped define what a support player should be able to do) since like 2013 and has only recently started to fall off.
2022-01-26 05:44
2 replies
Yes I agree. But if he were on any team other than Astralis he would be an irrelevant player. He is only notable because Astralis is notable. Whereas players like Elige, Ropz, and Cold made their legacies regardless of their teams.
2022-01-27 21:59
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I disagree with you on this. He also played in Copenhagen Wolves, TSM, Dignitas, where the structure was much different (basically dev1ce, dupreeh, Xyp9x - GO KILL!). And as for Astralis - do you think they would have been as successful as they were, if he wasn't there? Don't underestimate the importance of a support player! Xyp9x was probably the best one out there for like 6 years ;)
2022-01-28 10:39
I feel this is a great list but personally GTR > kennyS in GOAT list this is coming from a kennyS mad fanboy
2022-01-26 13:45
#41
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Brazil MimimiBR
kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk dont even you believe is this list
2022-01-26 13:46
2 replies
Brazilians consistently disagree with top 20 lists because they can't accept the fact that their era was a fluke and their favorite players are simply not as good as the rest of the world.
2022-01-27 21:59
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#114
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Europe _pedrin
Its not only brazilians that disagree with your list, i agree with somethings on it, but others dont make any sense. How Ropz is top 10 and higher than some legends? NAF above Fallen and Magisk? Snax, JW and Flusha isnt in the list? For how long do you watch counter strike? In general your list is pretty bad
2022-01-27 22:23
I wouldn't put Ropz so high in the list. The rest is pretty good!
2022-01-26 13:50
kennysS overrated, only good for 3 months coldzera & GeT_RiGhT are too low ropz is too damn high when he's only been in the scene for 4 years olofmeister and dupreeh are disrespected in this list why the fuck iS Twistzz and NAF here and NiKo deserves #6 at most
2022-01-26 13:53
and this is how ignorant and delusional can someone be, crazy
2022-01-26 13:52
4 replies
true
2022-01-26 13:57
Make a better list, I garuntee yours would look almost exactly the same other than some people outside of the top 10.
2022-01-27 22:00
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3. niko 4. zywoo 9. ropz - 3 times in top20 - best place #7 11. olof - 2x major winner, best player of 2015 12. electronic - 1x major winner, IGS, 4 times in top20 - worst place #7 20. Twistzz - IGS, 3 times in top20 - best place #9 honorable mentions: flusha - 3x major winner, #2 2014 #5 2015 snax - 1x major winner, top4-5 player 3 years in a row ngl, if i didnt see that 9. ropz over so many absolute legends of the game i probably wouldnt have commented but it triggered me so much lmao
2022-01-28 00:18
1 reply
Dudes biggest baiter putting Ropz above people like elec
2022-01-28 00:38
#45
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Kosovo Theexend
"ZywOo haven't had impact" lmao ZywOo carried 4 bots to top 3 team from 3 years. Niko couldn't even win major with superteam. Even gla1ve in 2020 said ZywOo is most impactful player he has ever seen. While NiKo was called baiter before he played for G2. That being said, i still think NiKo is clear of him because he is playing on top from years before ZywOo
2022-01-26 13:53
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ZywOo with a super team would bump 1.40 rating through the year for sure
2022-01-26 16:59
You're misunderstanding. I didn't say that Zywoo isn't impactful, I said he isn't as impactful as Niko. Zywoo is incredibly impactful, just not as much as Niko, which is why he is below him.
2022-01-27 22:02
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#206
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France Kaaai
So you're saying that Zywoo wouldn't have won at least one major playing in 2017/2018 Faze?
2022-01-29 22:57
how do you put flusha and jw below ropz
2022-01-26 13:53
2 replies
Because ropz is better than flusha and jw.
2022-01-27 22:03
1 reply
not all time
2022-01-28 02:44
#47
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North America L1nT
Fallen is easily way too low, he's the most important Brazilian player of all time
2022-01-26 13:54
2 replies
Most important BRAZILIAN player of all time. That classification doesn't hold much meaning.
2022-01-27 22:00
1 reply
It does when Brazil has the better teams and players of all Americas, also he built an era coming from the lame
2022-01-28 02:50
s1mple peak > kennys peak + reasoning for zywoo is a bit bad. Personally, I'll have zywoo as 2, but it's understandable if he's a bit lower cuz he's still relatively new to t1 compared to the guys in this list. Also, ropz is too high. Elec > ropz. I'd have some different players but there are so many good players that top 20 list is kinda bs
2022-01-26 13:55
2 replies
damn never knew a fellow filipino's opinion could be based
2022-01-26 13:58
1 reply
Lol like I dont have a problem with the first 4 but other players have strong arguments to be inside 5 to 20. for example, how tf is ropz higher than electronic amp. and twistzz really??? ano yun players like snax dont exist?
2022-01-26 14:05
#49
D0cC | 
Germany D3mon^
best list ive seen on hltv so far
2022-01-26 13:55
1 reply
Thanks man!
2022-01-27 22:03
"12 - Electronic - Top 5 rifler of all time" Also: Has 6 rifles higher than electroNic. Nice brain
2022-01-26 14:09
3 replies
#85
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Russia UnderVerse
you got him
2022-01-27 21:59
You're confusing causation with correlation. Just because someone who is a rifler is higher than someone else who is a rifler doesn't mean they are the better rifler, it just means historically they are the better player overall. Electronic is obviously more mechanically gifted then get_right or forest, but gtr and forest are overall better players. Konfig could be in the conversation for one of the best riflers of all time, but he's not in the top 20 players of all time.
2022-01-27 22:06
1 reply
okay, but k0nfig? No. He isn't even in the conversation for top 10 riflers of all time.
2022-01-27 22:55
Decent but dupreeh, magisk and glaive are underrated apparently.
2022-01-26 14:10
1 reply
Glaive should not be on this list, Glaives performance much like Xyps performance are entirely reliant on Astralis' performance. When Astralis was up their stats were up and vice versa. However, Magisk, Dupreeh, and Device always performed well. In terms of where they were placed I believe it is a fair positioning.
2022-01-27 22:08
7. baitzera lmao
2022-01-26 14:11
2 replies
I had to put a couple Brazilians on the list to make sure I didn't get any death threats sorry men.
2022-01-27 22:09
1 reply
respectable
2022-01-28 18:19
#56
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Kosovo Maltin
F0rest was way better than gtr since 2017. Actually even before 2017 gtr was collecting the kills but f0rest was much more impactful and pure talent. Gtr was more of a product of hard work. Gtr = Cr7, Forest = Messi
2022-01-26 14:14
2 replies
"since 2017" what have either of them done since 2017? Dignitas can barely make top 30
2022-01-27 22:09
Since 2016
2022-01-27 22:15
yeah it has to be the worst list of all time
2022-01-26 16:37
2 replies
Salty pole hasn't seen real counter strike since 2017.
2022-01-27 22:10
1 reply
you're from NA and you speak about other countries CS LMAO
2022-01-28 10:05
#62
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Czech Republic imotfhere
where oskar
2022-01-26 16:43
#63
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Hong Kong sti11fac
Top 20 #13 ('13), #2 ('14), #5 ('15), #10 ('16) honorable mention kekw
2022-01-26 16:45
2 replies
Wow incredible Flusha peaked in years where the game had very little competition and fell off when the pro scene began to develop. What does that say about his skill?
2022-01-27 22:12
1 reply
#196
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Hong Kong sti11fac
5 - KennyS 6 - Get_Right 8 - Forest 9 - Ropz KEKW
2022-01-28 14:39
stopped reading at s1mple
2022-01-26 16:49
ropz not even top 20 lol
2022-01-26 16:50
#67
FaNg | 
Canada JC_123
terrible
2022-01-26 16:51
LMAO dog shit list, KennyS so high even though no top 1, Snax not even on the list, ROPZ in top 10 lmao, twistzz in top 20 without even 5 mvps LOLOLOLOLO
2022-01-26 16:54
2 replies
You obviously haven't WATCHED much counter strike and have just look at stats and achievements. If you actually watched the VODs of when these players were at their peaks you would agree.
2022-01-27 22:13
1 reply
LMAO been watching since 2017 kid, plus watched most of the old vods of epic games. Trust me kid, this list ain't it. having ropz in top 10 alone makes your list dogshit. lets get that clear. and mini era? MOUZ WON 2 S TIER TOURNAMENTS YOU BRAIN DEAD FUCK! by your logic liquid has a strong era (Ps- if you actually wanna see what a mini era or a failed era looks like see liquid 2019 run or faze 2018) (I wont even mention Kennys so high, Forest above guardian and Olof) literally everyone is roasting you in the comments, your list stinks worse then your mums pussy lol.
2022-01-28 17:45
#69
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Belgium Dashoun
Dude put KennyS 5 even if he never made it to the top 5 HLTV and was never the highest AWPer on the HLTV ranking lmao
2022-01-26 16:55
#70
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United States Azaqa
This list is straight trash only correct part is s1mple being 1st
2022-01-26 16:58
stopped reading at ropz
2022-01-26 17:01
this is what i call recency bias. even if i only started watching CSGO in late 2020 i still know that this list is wrong in so many ways if you make a list of ''all time'' then it is ALL TIME. zywoo should not be #4, his only big achievements are the 2 #1 HLTV, while players like Cold already have that + majors and majors mvp. yes he has a long career ahead of him but that doesnt mean shit if your making a list RIGHT NOW about the top 20 players of all time Ropz should not even be in the #20 And where the fuck is gla1ve. the guy was a big reason for Astralis having the best team of all time, and being the best IGL of all time. and even just by impact i would say he should be #20
2022-01-26 17:02
3 replies
You are simply wrong, there is no recency bias here. If Cold and Zywoo 1v1d at their peaks who would win? Obviously Zywoo. Cold played in FalleNs system he was setup to get kills trading Taco. Zywoo can win rounds completely on his own. You're looking too much into achievements and not at actual gameplay. Go watch Zywoo VODs and then go watch Cold vods (or any other player you think is a better fit for #4) Zywoo is simply better.
2022-01-27 22:20
2 replies
lul you said there is no ''recency bias'' but then you mention ''actual gameplay''. i still disagree and think that Cold would have a good chance of winning in a RIFLE 1v1 against ZywOo (at his peak) If people went by your criteria of defining who is better by just ''actual gameplay'' then you could literally argue that Sh1ro, B1t and even Ax1le are ranked higher in the ''GOAT' 'list than Get_Right or Olofmeister which is totally BS. Also ZywOo still has a very small amount of time played in T1 compared to Coldzera, who knows if he will remain this good? he definitely wasnt as good last year as he was in 2020. in my opinion for players like ZywOo to actually be in the top 5 ALL TIME list, you would have to wait another 1-2 years or even more
2022-01-27 22:36
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#211
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France Kaaai
He's been 3 years at the top, which is already more than cold
2022-01-29 23:01
Putting ZywOo above Olof, KennyS, Coldzera and the OG NiP duo seems a bit wild for an all time list right now. Obviously he’s definitely on track to surpass them, but right now? Nah.
2022-01-27 21:49
2 replies
I've explained this many times and I thought it was common sense. The 3 swedes you mentioned peaked at a time when the games competitive scene was very small. Just look at the team lists back then, there were very few actual good teams. Nowadays there is always a team that could be good enough to upset the N01 just look at the rankings right now Na'Vi, Gambit, G2, Vitality, Heroic; these teams are all incredible and could all beat each other. The fact that you would even consider Kenny and Cold above Zywoo is beyond me, you obviously don't know what you're talking about.
2022-01-27 22:16
1 reply
Cold has accomplished far more than ZywOo at this point. Aside from his rankings in HLTV, ZywOo has almost nothing on his resume. Vitality has been an extremely inconsistent project. Not to mention you can’t argue the NiP guys aren’t as accomplished bc there weren’t teams to beat them. The argument there is they were so dominant no one COULD beat them. I understand you feel like there wasn’t much competition, but they had to deal with VeryGames, Titan, VP, Fnatic, iBuyPower, Zeus led NaVi, arguably the best Complexity ever, LDLC, and a MOUZ with LEGIA, CadiaN, Tabsen, and ChrisJ, all at the same time.
2022-01-27 23:16
#96
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Finland Emvi
Top kek where is neo
2022-01-27 22:05
1 reply
Dying of old age rn.
2022-01-27 22:13
shox not in top 5, what?
2022-01-27 22:13
1 reply
also zeus, constant top 10, 3 major finals, major trophy. old school igl. should have been at least somewhere 15-20
2022-01-27 22:15
also krimz, jw
2022-01-27 22:17
kennyS that high for his peak which was 2-3 years max while zywoo is under players that he has same/better achievments and has higher peak than, bit inconsistent
2022-01-27 22:43
JW/Flusha are surely top20 all time elige naf ahead of dupreeh is laughable
2022-01-27 22:59
#130
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United States Ryanroehl
The argument that the competition was less at a different time is such a flawed argument. Drives me up the wall. Get_Right should be higher.
2022-01-27 23:00
#131
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United States bomberNTC
why rank people based on potential if the potential could never be realized
2022-01-27 23:02
shox should be top10 of all the time, flusha top15 easily, olof higher, twistzz not even top20, naf too
2022-01-27 23:02
Glaive led Astralis to become the greatest team to be assembled and played from 2017-19. He's a mastermind and nobody could even hold a candle to how his brain worked in terms of leadership and an IGL in general.
2022-01-27 23:21
Normally the "Top X" lists on this site are totally awful. Yours is more reasonable than most I have seen, even if there are some players/positions I would disagree with personally.
2022-01-27 23:27
"8 - Forest - Stayed in Get_Rights shadow for his whole career, completely dropped off in 2017, but has maintained Tier 2 form with Dignitas." Rofl, f0rest was already at the top while GeT_RiGhT was still at begrip gaming.
2022-01-27 23:39
1 reply
it's about csgo only
2022-01-27 23:46
where's xyp9x or rain for example
2022-01-27 23:40
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it, but bro, stop saying shit, pls
2022-01-27 23:45
Niko and KennyS > Cold?? LUL
2022-01-28 00:39
Read about Zywoo, the most NA thread you could actually make. What a smart guy.
2022-01-28 01:10
wow it takes lot of effort to make such a horrible list
2022-01-28 01:26
5. kennyS? lmao coldzera 2 major mvp... etc
2022-01-28 01:31
imagine putting fucking ropz, guy who has never made it into the major semi-final and has had his best year (#7 top 20) during online era, above olofmeister, the man who can name himself 2 time major winner, 7 time major semifinalist, 1 time #1 player in the world, winner of 26 tournaments and brightest star of a team that defined what an ERA really, i cant imagine what must have came through this guy’s mind to write something like this
2022-01-28 01:45
1 reply
major mvp as well
2022-01-28 11:35
+Flusha,+jw , +rain -twistz -ropz -naf
2022-01-28 02:19
"To decide placements I factored stats, achievements, team, potential, influence on the game, competition of the time, and impact." Dev1ce second 0/8
2022-01-28 02:27
Would switch twistzz with snax
2022-01-28 02:28
1. simple 2. device 3. niko 4. guardian 5. coldzera 6. getright 7. forest 8. dupreeh 9. kennys 10. olof 11. shox 12. flusha 13. zywoo 14. fallen 15. snax 16. krimz 17. magisk 18. electronic 19. glave 20. xyp9x
2022-01-28 02:51
good list, but how is ropz above electronic??
2022-01-28 02:58
2 replies
that's sus to you but elige and naf over dupreeh isnt
2022-01-28 03:08
1 reply
didnt notice that, yeah thats also weird and doesnt make any sense at all
2022-01-28 03:28
#175
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Indonesia FinZzz
Stopped reading at 1. S1mple
2022-01-28 04:10
-rep because where is flusha???
2022-01-28 04:12
1 reply
flusha major mvp bro...elige was a good player but not better than 2014-16 flusha
2022-01-28 04:13
olof>ropz if u didn't watch him in his prime he was fkn insane, entry cobble plat getting every kill
2022-01-28 04:14
Magisk defined what an entry player was when he was a lurker for Astralis? Sure
2022-01-28 10:11
Don't agree with ropz twistz
2022-01-28 10:14
KennysS over getright seems unfair for me. I would put zywoo maybe lower also, even if he will get higher with time. Otherwise I like yout list, and I appreciate the fact you put niko so high even if he laks of MVP/major events wins. He deserves it
2022-01-28 10:14
#183
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Denmark kns377
Where stewie2k
2022-01-28 10:16
3 replies
On EG with Rush
2022-01-28 10:54
2 replies
#190
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Denmark kns377
Oh right i forgot Rush, where is he Top 10 minimum i think
2022-01-28 10:55
1 reply
True true, this list is totally inaccurate. I see no Stanislaw no.1, I report
2022-01-28 11:23
reported,idiot upd:o okay na,i understood pls /closed
2022-01-28 10:28
Lmao the amount of dumb complaints in the comments is insane. This is a good list mens, I think if other people tried to make this there would be many more misses.
2022-01-28 10:34
Fallen is wayyyy too far down on the list, should at least be top 10. Mans played insanely good on the awp WHILE igl'ing his team to two majors and also the only IGL ever to get in into the top3 in a top20 hltv list. He also had an enormous impact on the brazilian fanbase. I honestly think he should be higher than Kenny on this list even though I love Kenny too. Also GTR is not deserving of being so high up honestly. He is a really sweet guy that you can't hate but as you say his prime was when there was a super weak scene that he was good at exploiting. Prime GTR in todays scene would probably have a 1.09 rating or something.
2022-01-28 10:53
1 reply
Edit cause typo
2022-01-28 10:54
No snax in TOP 20 of all time makes this list worthless 4 times in TOP 20 (3 times TOP 5) Major winner (two times major finalist) 7 MVPs He has one of the best in-game IQ of all the players Him being lower than ropz, Elige, NAF and Twistzz is just disrespectful or you dont know shit about pro scene before 2019
2022-01-28 11:28
#1 s1mple #3 dev1ce #2 ZywOo #4 GTR #5 NiKo #6 coldzera #7 dupreeh #8 shox #9 olofmeister #10 flusha #11 electronic #12 JW #13 kennyS #14 GuardiaN #15 f0rest #16 gla1ve #17 FalleN #18 Magisk #19 KRiMZ #20 snax #21 Xyp9x #22 NBK #23 Happy #24 EliGE #25 fer
2022-01-28 11:55
5 replies
You cant hate my list :D
2022-01-28 11:56
4 replies
jw was not better than guardian or kennys.
2022-01-29 22:49
3 replies
3 majors>1 major>0 majors
2022-01-30 02:46
2 replies
oh in that case, put pronax in guardians spot. 3>1 after all.
2022-01-30 18:29
1 reply
Nah gap between ratings of GuardiaN and pronax is bigger than black hole
2022-01-30 20:04
stopped reading at 9 Ropz
2022-01-28 18:22
+1 I like it, pretty good. Good job mate))
2022-01-28 18:29
Shox not in top 3 of all time is just wrong
2022-01-29 22:55
Not mention of gla1ve? 0/8
2022-01-29 22:56
ropz over olof xd
2022-01-29 22:58
Pretty nice list tbh but RpK not there :((
2022-01-29 22:59
Are you are talking about careers within CSGO or careers within Counterstrike? If its all of counterstrike then Forrest is way too low.
2022-01-29 23:00
Fer is in the list and in the honorable mentions lol Solid list, I just think that ropz and Kenny are too high. Ropz just doesn't have the achievements and Kenny had a very strong peak but it was short lived. Also niko's only year more impactful than cold's prime was 2021, but that's personal opinion I guess.
2022-01-29 23:01
1 reply
Fallen should be higher too imo
2022-01-29 23:02
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