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In what project you believe more G2 or Vitality?
Belgium Golllum 
I personally think that G2 is too overrated and Vitality will find more success than G2
2022-01-26 09:36
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I personally think Vitality will flop pretty hard, and I think and hope that G2 will be a real contender to NaVi
2022-01-26 09:38
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Yeah I think Vita is going to flop because ZywOo can barely speak english ;)
2022-01-26 10:03
12 replies
Not true at all
2022-01-26 10:04
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France Guilsz_
you can say exactly the same thing for monesy + JACKZ didn't even speak english when G2 went international and they went to the major final so argument not valid
2022-01-26 10:07
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Did they go to major final right after they went international?
2022-01-26 13:45
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France Guilsz_
well they didn't because there wasn't a major for a year and a half but they did go to Katowice final right after
2022-01-26 14:22
he did interview with moses his english is good
2022-01-26 10:18
4 replies
I dont understand why people think that a 20 year old cant learn a language. A lot of people start university much older and do just fine.
2022-01-26 10:36
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Europe Nuskel
Not to mention some probably learn it much earlier
2022-01-26 12:20
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Its easier to learn languages young
2022-01-26 15:42
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Europe Nuskel
Absolutely!
2022-01-26 15:42
the language barrier argument is obsolete, all u need in csgo for good comms is basic englando and know the map positions in english
2022-01-26 11:56
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True for 99% of players. Not really true at that level, you need comms to be more specific and u need to fully understand what a ur igl and coach are really saying. I have a hard time seeing zywo being able to say specific locations fast while being fully focused(more speciric than just pit or default), based on how he appeard on hltv show. On the other hand i think he will be able to learn eniglish pretty quick if vitality will (idk if they did already who knows) bootcamp. Staying day n night with the danes and speaking english all the time not just game related stuff will make u learn it very fast no doubt.
2022-01-26 12:03
he grew up playing faceit all day lol i think he possesses more than enough CSGO english to make a team work.
2022-01-26 13:34
EG for some weird, nostalgic reason.
2022-01-26 09:39
2 replies
lol they need tarik's brain
2022-01-26 10:31
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monke brain
2022-01-26 11:42
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India _Nexius
g2
2022-01-26 09:40
I think Vita will either be garbage or completely mediocre. I think G2 can do great things, as they bought young talent, a relaively unproven IGL instead of people past their prime. They can also flop hard, but smaller chance.
2022-01-26 09:41
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Finland FneXie
you are about to get absolutely mauled by Aleksib fans
2022-01-26 09:42
4 replies
But is he wrong though? Aleksi hasn't had as much success as couple of other igls (yet)
2022-01-26 10:00
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Finland FneXie
no he isn't, but some aleksi fans believe he's the greatest igl of all time (not even kidding some of my friends do) so yeah
2022-01-26 10:05
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I'm actually an Aleksib fan, because I think he is a great IGL that has a lot of potential. Me being a fan of him, doesn't change the fact that he is unproven. Now he will have a good team with top 20 players and we can finally find out whether the fans or the haters are right. Just prepare for the "it's NiKo's fault" cope if he fails...
2022-01-26 10:52
#44
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Iceland suriel666
i think this year will be a big test for many teams, players and coaches. many of the team "rebuilds" look sick on paper, but expectations and predictions differ widely. Also some of the stable teams have been torn apart and different players and coaches displaced. I think this year will be a test for: - Zonic as Coach - apEX as IGL - Dupreeh + Magisk to prove they're not washed - Zywoo for (international) team play and his own when whole team is not built around him 100% - m0nesy as the "next s1mple" (although i would keep expectations low - he's just 16yr old after all) - XTQZZZ as coach because many praised him, but Vita had 7 group exits in 2021, so .. - Aleksi as IGL as he hasn't achieved much/anything with OG after the ENCE fluke - NiKo similar to Zywoo when team is not built around him to 100% (m0nesy surely 1st/2nd star now) - gla1ve as IGL without zonic, so far it wasn't any "spectacular" to say the least - blameF + k0nfig as the "super star rifler duo", so far also shown very little (- not mentioning Xyp, Lucky, ave as they're bad already and have been) - Karrigan as IGL, because now getting ropz as "the missing piece" will show his abilities - Ropz with Karrigan as IGL - (rest of FaZe as a "good/promising team") - device when he's returned - NiP team building capabilities and leadership (coaching/Hampus/swedes+danes) - Fnatic to show if they're a T1 team after the big rebuild - BIG if faveN is "the missing one", or if they stay mediocre for eternity - CPH Flames if they're able to stay relevant after the Major run - OG/ENCE/MOUZ if their changes with new players/academy promotions help or they stay in Tier 1.5/2 - (VP with Fl1t, but they've already shown promising stuff) - Gambit on LAN - Heroic on LAN - and of course NAVI to show they don't let themselves get irritated by these "new" teams and their changes and keep their dominance
2022-01-26 11:18
Magisk can still perform for a couple of years but Dupreeh? 1.01 ratings for the next year
2022-01-26 11:36
G2 looks more convincing individually, but G2 could have bigger problems because of young star, he is hard to control and teach much in short time... Vitality is more veteran team and the only problem in my opinion is language barrier, even though ZywOo speak good english I think concetrating on english language and because he is speaking it as second language he still has to think and concentrate on what he is saying and it could be a problem. just like accent (apEx pretty much has good english but he does a lot "urrr" between words.
2022-01-26 09:43
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Same can be said about g2 on language
2022-01-26 10:33
4 replies
Not really. G2 has been international team for years now and all of their players have been in english speaking teams for long, except m0nesy. But m0nesy still has very good english for 16 year old kid so that aint gonna be problem.
2022-01-26 11:24
I agree with BigBeing, m0NESY has pretty good english and aleksib has practiced his english in OG and can speak it clearly and very well... huNter and NiKo both speak good english because both of them played in international team for years, JaCKz speaks english well too and they don't have same barrier as between danes and french in Vitality, most of G2 players 4/5 players speak english very clearly but in Vitality nobody played in international roster and don't have same language skills as guys from G2
2022-01-26 11:30
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#84
JACKZ | 
Singapore ZyZy
magisk played in optic with mixwell and some others that I don't remember. Dupreeh has also given tons of interview and clearly speaks english well. Same goes for apex, eventhough he is probably a bit worse than the other two. For Zywoo and misutaa I think it's just about speaking english more regularly they are both fresh out of school so there english should be good enough.
2022-01-26 14:22
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I forgot that magisk played in international team, and I didn't say ex-Astralis players had bad english, but what I said about them is that they didn't play in international team before... (I mean ZywOo in his early stages around age 16 played in random mixes like with ropz or nexa but it doesn't count as tier 1 or 2 team)
2022-01-26 14:51
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Ukraine Slavv_Boss
I don’t think either of them will flop, but in terms of success I think G2 will find more. Both projects seems very interesting, but if I have to choose, G2 is my choice
2022-01-26 09:44
vitality will suck og will disappear in tier4 g2 will destroy navi
2022-01-26 09:46
I think they both will do real well but g2 now have an awper and vitality dont have so strong riflers
2022-01-26 09:48
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JACKZ | 
Singapore ZyZy
Vitality has stronger riflers than before and way more experience, especially in winning. magisk can still be a top 10 player and dupreeh top 20 aswell. misutaa might finally become consistent.
2022-01-26 14:24
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Yes stronger than ever but I personally think Hunter, Niko and Jackz are by far stronger than misutaa, magisk and dupreeh.
2022-01-26 15:05
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m0NESY | 
Romania wadd
On paper Vitality should have the edge, but g2 has the potential aswell
2022-01-26 09:50
right now I believe in neither. have to see how they do in blast first.
2022-01-26 09:55
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Ukraine Slavv_Boss
I doubt that you can make a decent judgment based on the event which features bo1’s
2022-01-26 10:02
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well yes but i think that it will give you an indication on how the teams perform. If vitality go out in 2 matches and g2 win their group then you can guess which team is gonna perform better, for a while atleast.
2022-01-26 12:05
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Ukraine Slavv_Boss
Well, that depends. If vita get bombarded, and exits the group with 16-6 scores, then yeah, that would make sense. But if it’s close matches 16-14, as it’s bo1 we wouldn’t be able to fully give a proper judgments. We all know that stronger teams have a history of losing to underdogs in bo1’s
2022-01-26 12:23
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damn just saw that not even the group finals are bo3. kinda sad. but I do think that we will at least have an idea of what the teams can do. definitely better than judging fpl matches lol.
2022-01-26 13:29
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Ukraine Slavv_Boss
Oh yeah, we will have a vague idea, but still, I don’t think we can paint the full picture of what these teams are capable of. Regardless of what the groups are, bo1 or 3, me and you and other cs fans are very exited to see what G2 EG vita and liquid are capable of
2022-01-26 13:44
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I do agree with that. And hell yeah I'm def excited to have t1 cs back in general. gonna be a blast))
2022-01-26 13:57
That is for sure. And im especially hyped for group c and the na rebuilds in general. Although i have never been a big fan of na cs i really want them to outperform our expectations so we can get the na scene bigger again and make them watch cs again instead of valorant
2022-01-26 16:07
Gorillaz with woro2k
2022-01-26 09:58
The other way around because of (more) communication issues in Vitality
2022-01-26 10:01
I believe more in my ability to pass all my math exams with an A+ than in vitality. So i'd pick g2
2022-01-26 10:02
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#17
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Ukraine Slavv_Boss
That is a very low bar you set for vitality
2022-01-26 10:02
1 reply
Low,but accurate
2022-01-26 10:03
G2 looks like Frankenstein’s monster while vitality is a delicate balance of still young and great players and veteran legends of the game
2022-01-26 10:03
1 reply
Haha, good description. I agree.
2022-01-26 10:05
G2
2022-01-26 10:05
G2 has more potential in monesy than vitality in washed up astralis players
2022-01-26 10:05
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Sweden go0s3
G2 but not sure..
2022-01-26 10:10
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D0cC | 
Germany D3mon^
short term probably Vitality, long term probably G2
2022-01-26 10:15
g2
2022-01-26 10:21
#31
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China Tyranthose
G2 for sure. You now basically have 2 stars - Niko who is proven and m0nesy while unproven is from a prestigious academy proven to produce good talents before. You have hunter and jackz which are good in what they do, in and outside of the game as well. Now you have Aleksib and XTQzzz, both who are highly rated for their tactical thinking and management.
2022-01-26 10:24
#32
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Iceland suriel666
none, both are overrated and will fail
2022-01-26 10:24
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>Dupreeh >Magisk >zywoo Imagine rating that high :| zywoo alone can already carry
2022-01-26 11:02
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#45
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Iceland suriel666
... or if he can't: 7 group exits it's not like both Dupreeh and Magisk have been stellar in their home team and well known system in Astralis with the "god IGL" gla1ve and "god coach" zonic both before and after dev1ce left
2022-01-26 11:19
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LOL dupreeh was 9th of the world in 2020, are you trying to discredit glaive and zonic? cuz then i know how far it is XD they had a terrible year in 2021 with astralis falling apart and still they did not dip under a 1.00 or even .05 so 'washed' is just wrong
2022-01-26 11:39
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#54
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Iceland suriel666
only blind astralis shills cannot see how big the fall from grace actually is. i guess "not dip under 1.0" is quite a good goal for 4-times major winners lmao but yeah of course, Dupreeh + Magisk >>> all
2022-01-26 11:47
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so because astralis, the best team fell apart, means they cant be good anymore noted???
2022-01-26 12:08
Magisk won 3 :)
2022-01-26 12:24
vitality zonic is goat
2022-01-26 10:30
#36
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France bjjthibz
Vitality #1 G2 #2 Navi #3 That's all i want.
2022-01-26 10:35
Vitality of course
2022-01-26 10:35
#39
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Serbia fileegg
IGL overrated role, boombl4 cant really tell s1mple what to do mid-round. U let s1mple be s1mple
2022-01-26 10:36
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And the other 3?
2022-01-26 11:02
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#73
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Serbia fileegg
most of rounds on Nuke, Navi just play default, smoke outside for electronic he will run secret asap and play will depend on informations electronic provide them. i want to say Coach is person who prepare them and im pretty sure all of them have brain to remember what they do in what scenario.
2022-01-26 13:26
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pre-determined starts are done by the whole team, an igl has a motivational and mid round role, or even early round deciding if they will even do their default
2022-01-26 13:44
#43
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France HippzZ
I give them both 70% chances to be top 4 at the end of the year
2022-01-26 11:06
I think G2. Players such as Dupreeh and Magisk are way past their primes, and they won't play well under the leadership of apEX
2022-01-26 11:37
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#57
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Romania xypperz
Wtf magisk is 23 only how is he past his prime
2022-01-26 11:54
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He peaked under gla1ve in Astralis. He won't get another team like that for the rest of his career
2022-01-26 11:58
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Romania xypperz
ok
2022-01-26 12:01
#52
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United States Virgin Islands spreemelon
G2 has more potential and players role wise makes more sense. Vitality not so much. I think Faze will be better than both the rosters.
2022-01-26 11:42
#55
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Romania xypperz
I believe in the new astralis (huge copium). Hopefully we will finally see ASTRALIS FARLIG. ASTRALIS GET HIM HE IS FREE PLEASE 😭😭
2022-01-26 11:50
#56
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Kosovo Theexend
Vitality obviously, they have lost nothing, the player which makes them call a pro team is still there. They have replaced literal bots with potential good players, worst can happen is they also become bots. Same situation as before.
2022-01-26 11:51
flair
2022-01-26 11:57
G2 for sure
2022-01-26 12:00
#64
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Iceland suriel666
both add 3 new players and keep 3 players, but the dynamics are different: Vitality: - kept 3 members, added 3 members as a pack => more stability within the packs because they played together, but: each pack is equally sized and 3 is half the team, so the cultural/game plan views could crush, bigger than if you add single players like G2 - 3 (4 with coach) veterans with 1 somewhat newbie = more experience, more stability - strategy/gameplan: 2 big packs with each having its own unison strategy => resembles promising stability, but could also very well crash heavily on personal/strategical differences (zonic - apex) - history: from the first pack, only Zywoo was good, from the other pack, they didn't achieve much in recent times even in their old, well known team/structure - feeling: "Both our teams are shit so .. let's merge and hope it works out!" G2: - kept 3 members, added 3 members *separately* => less of a "pack vs pack" mentality/feeling, but also much less pack cohesion (everyone has own views, needs more adaptiation and common ground in the team) - 3 veterans, with 1 total newcomer, 1 unproven IGL and 1 overhyped coach = less experience, mroe instability - strategy: new IGL, new Coach, new main AWP => is a step back in terms of strategy & gameplan and needs much more effort to bring all members to a consensus - history: while having good performances in most tourneys (reaching finals), they've actually never won one and have a track record of like 7-1 or so vs NAVI for example. Got carried by NiKo, so the rest was underwhelming. The total newcomer looked promising in the past (academy leagues), but is still absolutely unproven in T1 and arena stages - feeling: "Let reddit build a random team of good fraggers and slap them together and see if this shit sticks to the wall!" so, IMO, on paper, both have potential, but also very big chances to fail horribly
2022-01-26 12:05
g2
2022-01-26 12:05
#68
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Europe 0only1
Both teams will be very strong, they made positive changes on already great rosters.
2022-01-26 12:14
g2 bestest but vitality will be top 5 no doubt even if the danes choke zywoo will always carry
2022-01-26 12:52
#74
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Poland Astoner55
I think both teams have crazy potential but there are a lot of things that could go wrong, so we have to wait and see how it turns out for them
2022-01-26 13:29
Vitality: experienced players with a similar game style G2: old team had loose play style and they used to take a lot of space because their AWP was shit. Now they have to get used to a whole new play style and leave some space for m0nesy. If we skip G2 possible honeymoon period in which no one will know how to counter them, Vitality will have more success in the first half of the year.
2022-01-26 13:43
VIT %100
2022-01-26 13:59
Vitality has less hypotheticals. It's a team of some very good players (Misutaaa not included), Zonic is perhaps the best coach in the game. So in that sense it will definitely work, and unless things go very wrong they should be a top 10 team for sure. However, how well they play together, how well they get along and understand each other in-game, their chemistry as teammates is what can put them in top 8/9 if it doesn't work or top 2/3 if it does. I don't see them beating Na'Vi either way, that's for sure. G2 has the chemistry problem as well, we don't know how well they will play together, but on top of that M0nesy is untested in tier 1, Jackz and AleksiB are not fraggers by any means, so M0nesy has to perform well for G2 to work. If M0nesy lives up to the hype and the chemistry works, and NiKo can work under AleksiB, it's a team that might be able to beat Na'Vi to top 1, but none of those is true it might become a top 20 team, they won't fall under that because NiKo and HuNter are too good, but they might drop hard out of top 10. So Vitality has a potential range of top 2 to 9 while G2 has a potential range of top 1 to 20. Vitality is a much safer bet for sure, G2 is more of a gamble.
2022-01-26 14:22
#92
koks | 
Saint Kitts and Nevis al0))
vitality, i think dupreeh is gonna suprise alot of people
2022-01-26 16:38
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