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-hades +oskar -snappi +MSL oskar,maden,msl,dycha,spinx is this top 10 team?
2022-01-26 18:24
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#1
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Brazil Lok72
top 100
2022-01-26 18:25
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easly
2022-01-26 18:25
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#5
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Brazil Lok72
dont need MSL if have god Oskar, but awping I still believe in Hades
2022-01-26 18:26
2 replies
msl isnt there to awp he is there to igl,he never awped in north when he had competent awper
2022-01-26 18:27
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#147
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Finland OGVilzu
but is there any difference between snappi and msl?
2022-01-27 15:57
#117
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Germany rs6a
Maybe top 100 Finnish orgs
2022-01-26 20:08
#3
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Poland Hanse
hades = oskar msl = bot
2022-01-26 18:25
12 replies
there is no finng waaaay that hades==oskar that is just ridicilous
2022-01-26 18:26
eh ? hltv.org/stats/players/compare/798/oskar.. If there is a weak link in ENCE, its def sniper. Not saying oskar should or will join them, but hades? Lol...
2022-01-26 18:35
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#44
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Latvia FieryBlood
20 maps? lol
2022-01-26 18:37
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#58
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Latvia FieryBlood
and now your point isn't as strong. besides, oskar is in retirement age, when hades hasn't hit his prime and only played in t1 for half a year. does that even the scales?
2022-01-26 18:41
5 replies
1) hes got still better stats 2) i clearly wrote what i wrote, learn to read then reply next time... Oskar will join gorillaz or some crap and hapilly retires without achieving much with good paycheck 2 years from now.. He's still better than hades, period.
2022-01-26 18:44
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#68
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Latvia FieryBlood
1) stats farmed in t3 events 2) you haven't even shown any proof that he is the weak link, and now you're trying to attack my reading comprehension let me remind you hades = oskar
2022-01-26 18:47
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#95
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Finland AliSabid
not gonna agree with that guy, but its just facts that hades' rating dropped significantly in the last months. he will have to start performing again this year, otherwise its time to get confidence from lower tiers
2022-01-26 19:22
2 replies
for sure he fell off, but in terms of an investment hades is still better than oskar id say
2022-01-26 19:22
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#106
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Finland AliSabid
for sure, much younger and has potential to grow more as a player
2022-01-26 19:25
lol delusional because of your flag filter oskar in 2021 vs top 10...oh wait, he just farmed tier 5 events and has 0 games vs top 10. Hades still didn't play a single game in 2022 so it's way too early to judge him based on 2021 data. Oskar is good but as someone else said he is old and he will be worse and worse. Hades may be worse but may also peak and be great, who knows. I would rather invest in young player with potential than in 30 yo player who was once great but his peak is over
2022-01-27 14:04
#63
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Finland 5way
hades=bot oskar=bot msl=bot snappi=god
2022-01-26 18:44
#6
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Italy JohnnotCena
no no just no
2022-01-26 18:26
10 replies
what then do people acctually believe that snappi can bring this team to top10
2022-01-26 18:27
9 replies
hades is decent just give him time and snappi is very good IGL + in last matches he was almost like top fragger as an IGL i think maden will bring fresh wind there and they can do something nice together
2022-01-26 18:29
#17
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France Dunne_V1
Ence erased its chances to go top 10 the moment they abandoned finnish lineup Its not a big enough org to be successful with international lineups Successful international lineups = best player available in any role They might as well go polish now
2022-01-26 18:29
7 replies
what does nationality have to do with anything are u one of those morons u predicts vitality will fail cuz they went international
2022-01-26 18:33
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#115
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France Dunne_V1
No because if u had read my thread i think only international lineups with star caliber player can show success (g2, faze and new vitality) My problem is not enough smaller teams are betting on uni-national teams when its still relevant. Ps: i consider a lineup international if they have no national core - vitality’s core is still french
2022-01-26 19:41
#84
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Latvia FieryBlood
let me remind you what they looked like at the time: hltv.org/ranking/teams/2020/november/23
2022-01-26 18:55
1 reply
+1
2022-01-27 14:07
2022-01-26 19:12
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#112
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France Dunne_V1
That astralis team was a disaster comparing ence to them proves my point
2022-01-26 19:36
1 reply
Ence #7
2022-01-26 19:37
yeah MSL is going to fix anything
2022-01-26 18:27
10 replies
atleast he is better igl than snappi will ever be
2022-01-26 18:28
9 replies
how though? :D
2022-01-26 18:27
8 replies
his north teams when he had decent players were always top 5 he is the only igl to beat legendary in form 2018 astralis 2 times in bo3 it s fair to say that alone is much better resume than what snappi ever did
2022-01-26 18:30
7 replies
then they bombed out of next major doing absolute dogshit, there is a reason why nobody picked up MSL I guess... but nt even YNK said that North with MSL were easy to read
2022-01-26 18:31
6 replies
yeah YNK who as coach won absolutely nothing with team that had niko and cold value his oppinion as much as u do and yeah they bombed out of the major,that was like 3 days after they wont tier 1 tournament,they didnt have time to rest or prepare for major
2022-01-26 18:34
5 replies
is that excuse? maybe they shouldnt participate then on this tier tournament.... North were pretty inconsistent and won tournament against Astralis doesnt make him IGL which will crack the team to be top since he has always been average well they still played with no IGL and Niko is average IGL he just can frag so they always had close series Snappi and MSL both probably arent solutions
2022-01-26 18:38
4 replies
they were always spanked by any competent team,niko is horrible igl ynk is even worse coach,his strats were ridicilous and too slow do u really expect from a team whose best player was aizy to win major after stocholm,i really dont understand what did people expect from msl he has tier 2 level talent on that team
2022-01-26 18:40
3 replies
if he is that good IGL how did nobody take him yet? :D ofc they werent going to win the major but going 0-3 was just straight failure after winning tier 1 event after winning against Astralis
2022-01-26 18:42
2 replies
no one wants msl cuz he only wanted offer from tier 1 teams but no tier 1 team wants him cuz of smart people from hltv and reddit who say tha msl is bad igl
2022-01-26 18:48
1 reply
he is just average IGL and there is reason why no tier 1 team wants him
2022-01-26 18:54
Oskar was decent in Sinners......Why should they drop young talent for old and not that great anymore AWPer. MSL is good only as AWPer and Snappi is good IGL so what's the point of this move? MSL is washed
2022-01-26 18:27
6 replies
msl one of the greates igls of all time is only good as awper lol and hades is just waaaay to inconsistent to be on tier 1 team right now
2022-01-26 18:28
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#22
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Poland Berbe123
And he isnt in t1 team right now, give him time
2022-01-26 18:30
One of the greates IGLs of all time... :D 27 years old and won only 5 trophies which 4 of them in 2017-2018
2022-01-26 18:33
2 replies
how many tier 1 tropihes 30 yer old snappi woN?
2022-01-26 18:34
1 reply
Ok and ? I am not saying that Snappi is one of the best IGL of all time or that he has more trophies than MSL. I am just pointing out that you are overrating MSL. He is out of the meta for long time.
2022-01-26 19:22
Have u seen MSL in North lately? He had 0 form as Rifler so....North was sooo bad under him when he came back so don't. He need to prove he is capable of doing smth before someone will give him top. 20 team Hades maybe is inconsistent but u bring here Oskar who is after his best and is even more inconsistent and also not good enough if u want to achieve anything(it's not the same Oskar u have to remember) and Hades is still a young player.
2022-01-26 18:38
oskar better than hades xD??? 1.04 rating on tier5
2022-01-26 18:28
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2022-01-26 18:29
7 replies
nice compare tier3 to tier1 than Xertion is much better than ropz
2022-01-26 18:32
6 replies
sure then hades played all the tier 1 events
2022-01-26 18:35
5 replies
just check EPL14 oskar rating 1.05 hades rating 1.21
2022-01-26 18:37
4 replies
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/16848/had.. sure find 5 matches hadeses team won and he played better in than oskar talking about nitpicking stats
2022-01-26 18:40
3 replies
XDD nice LAN matches vs ONYX or ENTERPRISE (still bad rating on tier3)
2022-01-26 18:41
2 replies
yes 0.98 is amazing rating for tier 1 lets keep him as awper pls
2022-01-26 18:41
1 reply
oskar is a washed up old man
2022-01-27 14:31
#15
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Denmark Marvelw0w
-hades +w0nderful -snappi +rufire
2022-01-26 18:28
4 replies
what is rufire is he igl
2022-01-26 18:29
2 replies
#25
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Denmark Marvelw0w
yup upcoming russian igl
2022-01-26 18:31
1 reply
do they even speak englis russians are notorius for not knowing english
2022-01-26 18:35
lmao rufire dropping 0.86 ratings in academy league
2022-01-27 14:09
With MSL this team would je a sure contender for top 1 team!
2022-01-26 18:30
1 reply
well yeah then just keep snappi and suck bellow top 10
2022-01-26 18:31
#21
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Egypt BomberMan_
as much as I like MSL maybe taking out Snappi might hurt the team tho oskar is a straight upgrade can make them top 10 if Spinx and dycha step up consistently
2022-01-26 18:30
5 replies
man i really dont belive in snappi as an igl or a player he blew every opportunity he ever had in tier 1-2 cs he never achived anything big
2022-01-26 18:31
4 replies
#34
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Egypt BomberMan_
ehh I think he has been decent, but he never truly had amazing lineups except like 1-2 decent teams over 6 years. I think at least for now ence squad 100% invested into Snappi so no reason to shake it up so much.
2022-01-26 18:34
3 replies
this ence team cant do much with him in lineup but,lets see maybe maden becomes one of the best riflers on planet
2022-01-26 18:36
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#51
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Egypt BomberMan_
Maden was very good on FPX/godsent so I think they have a nice core tho I have my doubts about hades against top 10 teams
2022-01-26 18:38
1 reply
me too that is why bringing oskar is improvement
2022-01-26 20:34
solid tier 2 team
2022-01-26 18:31
1 reply
with the state of nip and astralis and some of the other cis teams in top 10 i can see this team cracking top 10
2022-01-26 18:32
#31
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Finland WhyUBulla
MSL ? thanks for reminding didnt remember he is still balding
2022-01-26 18:32
6 replies
snappi is like 3 years older than him and he neve achived anything why people think msl is worse than him
2022-01-26 18:37
5 replies
Coz MSL never proved himself in t1 like snappi did on iem fall
2022-01-26 19:05
3 replies
Never is a bad word here, in the last 5 years
2022-01-26 19:07
lol msl literally won mvp award and tournament against prime astralis and somehow snappi proved himself with iem fall hahahah
2022-01-26 20:30
1 reply
Men it seems like u were in coma for 5 years
2022-01-26 21:23
#116
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Finland WhyUBulla
Ofc he is worse
2022-01-26 20:05
Nah they are fine
2022-01-26 18:35
1 reply
ok
2022-01-26 18:37
#42
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Finland Cucumber))
Absolutely no reason to remove Snappi to get MSL
2022-01-26 18:35
4 replies
snappi older igl who never achived anything > msl one of the goat igls
2022-01-26 18:37
3 replies
#104
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Poland Berbe123
Goat igl xD i can write at least 10 better igls in csgo
2022-01-26 19:24
2 replies
#135
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Finland nUgez
ok go forward
2022-01-27 13:58
1 reply
#145
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Poland Berbe123
Neo Zeus Boombl4 Gla1ve Apex Karrigan nafany Pronax Xizt Nitro Fallen Stewie2k And many more
2022-01-27 14:47
#46
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Poland Roxin
First wait to see how they're gonna look with maden
2022-01-26 18:37
4 replies
maden will do fine but with snappi they are limited just like hunden was limiting factor for now heroic boyz
2022-01-26 18:40
3 replies
#60
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Poland Roxin
Cmon, snappi is not as bad as Hunden
2022-01-26 18:42
snappi >>>>> msl. Msl hasnt played t1 cs since 15/11/2020. he is out of the meta + he would riffle so even worse than what he already was msl sucked on awp, imagine him on riffle.
2022-01-26 18:52
1 reply
smart we all know that team who has igl with most firepower is always the best in the world who gives a shit what kind of strats or what kind of igl he is
2022-01-26 18:54
MSL is the definition of a washed player
2022-01-26 18:44
1 reply
snappi 4 years older didnt achive anything in his life and yet msl is the one who is washed out
2022-01-26 18:47
The amount of people on this thread who think Snappi is a better IGL than MSL is astounding lol Don't get me wrong, I like Snappi but MSL is a straight upgrade, and he hasn't had a team this solid since 2016 Pick him up ENCE!
2022-01-26 18:45
2 replies
yeah people are idiots most of people here think that msl is awper and that is his only role
2022-01-26 18:49
Let’s think why MSL didn’t have a decent team in 5 years???
2022-01-26 19:04
#65
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Poland sedi
hades is bestest
2022-01-26 18:46
2 replies
yes in fantasy land called polland maybe
2022-01-26 18:51
1 reply
#94
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Poland sedi
exactly my friend
2022-01-26 19:13
#66
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Finland 5way
yes pls kick hades asap but keep snappi
2022-01-26 18:46
12 replies
i would kick both
2022-01-26 18:50
Hades is young and good. It was a good choice to bench allu and bring in god hades
2022-01-26 19:00
10 replies
-lan player +onliner good fix back then...
2022-01-26 19:17
7 replies
Allu is a legend but his good old days were back in 2015-2019. Now he can’t play for goals like major playoffs.
2022-01-26 19:22
6 replies
Maybe maybe. He was actually a great player in Finnish Ence 2020, but in that international team he didnt perform that well
2022-01-26 19:24
5 replies
Yup, prob now allu will play for fun
2022-01-26 19:25
4 replies
Or he will give his knowledge to some young players
2022-01-26 19:26
3 replies
Yeah. He will play in that new finnish team (zoree, arvid, saddyx, oopee)
2022-01-26 19:34
2 replies
zoree and arvid both old as hell. only saddyx and oopee will benefit from this
2022-01-27 14:11
1 reply
I know, I just said the new team
2022-01-27 15:56
#97
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Finland 5way
I agree only because they couldn't get anyone better. Sadly he's inconsistent and shaky awper. Gets also very nervous on LAN
2022-01-26 19:27
1 reply
Yup hades problem is being inconsistent and nervous on lan, but as we all know it was his first big lan. (He played on lan : ASUS ROG and polish championship)
2022-01-26 19:24
msl hasn't won anything in 4 years lol
2022-01-26 18:46
2 replies
ahhaha what did snappi win and when was the last time msl had anyone good in his lineup check that before expecting Levante to win CHampions League
2022-01-26 18:50
1 reply
+1 agreed with what you say but get a more relevent IGL. preferably someone younger and who has won a tournament in the past two years :)
2022-01-26 19:10
msl hell no, hades is imo better than oskar but he was scared on lan to do stuff. we shall see how katowice goes for them
2022-01-26 18:48
4 replies
yes in your own oppinion wich baised in fantasy hades is better than oskar
2022-01-26 18:49
3 replies
if u look at hades stats when he joined until they had iem fall. he was fucking destroying but once they got on lan he fell of a bit because he was scared to do the stuff he did online. if he can get back to that lvl he was he is clear of oskar. but we shall see what happends
2022-01-26 18:51
2 replies
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/16848/had.. even online he is worse than oskar sure u can say oskar played against weaker teams but he has almoast 2x more maps just in 2021,and on lan oskar destroys him in every way possible
2022-01-26 18:53
1 reply
Hades is younger and better than Oscar. If they take Oscar it will be 1 year project but with hades they can still progress coz he didn’t even hit his prime yet. He was struggling on lan, but it was his first lan ever
2022-01-26 19:03
No, it's not a top 10 team at all. Spinx dycha maden siuhy/AZR h4rn/Farlig better imo
2022-01-26 19:05
2 replies
azr and farlig lol
2022-01-26 20:31
1 reply
What's wrong with Farlig?
2022-01-26 21:06
#80
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Brazil setsz
0/8
2022-01-26 18:52
#87
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Argentina asinov_90
-oskar +poizon
2022-01-26 19:04
1 reply
also not bad i think that poizon is underrated
2022-01-26 20:32
#91
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Poland Blanc1337
well its kinda weird move to get oldie for a place of young boi but maybe it could work
2022-01-26 19:09
-hades +h4rn/farlig/degster -snappi +spellan/golden
2022-01-26 19:18
3 replies
#108
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Poland Berbe123
Spellan/Golden xD
2022-01-26 19:26
2 replies
picked spellan bc hes bulgarian and golden was actually a good igl on fnatic
2022-01-26 19:36
1 reply
Picking some1 coz of his nationality LOL
2022-01-26 19:37
msLUL
2022-01-26 19:25
Do you want to make Ence a retirement house or what?
2022-01-26 20:10
4 replies
snappi is literally 4 years older than msl
2022-01-26 20:32
3 replies
And Oskar is literally 8 years older then hades
2022-01-26 21:05
2 replies
so if u add up its like u replaced 2 20 years olds for 2 22 year olds and by your definition that is retirement home
2022-01-26 23:43
1 reply
Im afraid it doesn't work like that
2022-01-27 13:03
+Allu +Aleksib +Sergej +xseven +Aerial Team to go Major finals. *mic drop
2022-01-26 20:41
#129
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Finland JmNn1
no.
2022-01-26 21:27
#131
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Serbia Cheerio23
Tbh I think both would be downgrades at this point. MSL hasn't played competitively for 2 years now and oskar is near the end of his career while hades is an up and coming talent.
2022-01-26 23:53
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year last 3 years i hear that oskar is near his end of the career but his numbers were and still are pretty good,and whenever he has a chance against tier 1 teams he does well hades on lan was one of the biggets jokes of all time and as of snappi vs msl,msl i faaaaar more superior tactician,and 4 years younger i would still give one of the legednary csgo igl chance before snappi who blew every chance he had with good teams
2022-01-27 00:37
-maden +amaneK or doto back -hades +oskar
2022-01-27 00:48
2 replies
-maden straight after signing him. Big brain move. Also lets -hades, a young talented AWPer for a 30 year old who will probably retire soon
2022-01-27 14:14
1 reply
maden is not gonna work when you already have spinx lmao. ence management trying to slowly create a aim based team lmao , faze v2 . Teams work if everryone feels confident and likes the way they have been put up to play. This roster is becoming dysfuncional and will not be as good as the previous one. The move should have been -hades +better awper.
2022-01-27 14:17
-snappi +msl makes no sense sorry.
2022-01-27 14:18
This is just counterproductive, MSL is a great player and igl but snappy is not bad and he has some great games like the infamous mirage game. I it ain’t broke fix it. Hades though has been lack luster lately but under periods has shown great potential and skill and He just needs to work on his consistency which is obviously a lot of work but very possible. Oskar though is not young and we know what we get and it’s good but he will never develop to a new role and new fresh player but he has a expiring date and on the awp role a young player is just so much better as this team is in no need of experience.
2022-01-27 14:26
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