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S1mple and zywoo are better rifler than niko
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Brazil YanEastwood 
Factos These guys are the best in the history of the game in every fundamental
2022-01-27 19:47
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true bro they dont choke twice in majors finales
2022-01-27 19:47
41 replies
Simple does tho
2022-01-27 19:48
37 replies
didn't choke just got rekt by the superior teams.
2022-01-27 19:48
20 replies
navi was by far superior to g2 in the final lol, which means choke doesn't count by your logic
2022-01-28 01:38
10 replies
He and i were talking about s1mple though.
2022-01-28 01:41
8 replies
yeah i know, so if s1mple didnt choke because he played against superior teams the same goes for niko, where navi was superior
2022-01-28 01:44
7 replies
And that's right NiKo didn't choke, he actually just got unlucky with his shot in that decider round, i still feel actual pain when seeing that again.
2022-01-28 01:49
2 replies
yep
2022-01-28 01:49
#133
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Finland Kashmiir
Also.
2022-01-28 14:26
He choked tho. In Boston where he was heavily favored tho. That’s the point tho
2022-01-28 10:48
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#93
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Sweden hammarmunk
tho
2022-01-28 12:31
1 reply
tho
2022-01-28 12:52
In Boston yes, but that was karrigan's fault, his team crumbled under pressure, every single player, not only niko. FaZe choked.
2022-01-28 15:00
and he didnt choke that final at all so what is your point? hltv.org/matches/2352514/g2-vs-natus-vin..
2022-01-28 12:51
+1
2022-01-28 11:50
Ch0ko fan let me remind you. youtube.com/watch?v=o2aN7eo0meY
2022-01-28 12:32
7 replies
Delusional s1mple fan still crying...
2022-01-28 13:55
5 replies
Looks like i triggered your emotions with that Choke! cry is free ch0ko fanclown.
2022-01-28 14:18
4 replies
2022-01-28 14:18
3 replies
2022-01-28 14:19
2 replies
#127 won't reply to you again deranged s1mple fan. /closed
2022-01-28 14:20
1 reply
/open As always he goes off running to mommy, who could have predicted that i ALWAYS have the last word! #126 /closed
2022-01-28 14:20
nah NiKo is the GOAT
2022-01-28 23:19
it ain't a choke if he played against prime SK and Astralis
2022-01-27 19:49
15 replies
#13
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Latvia emzijs
Faze played against prime C9
2022-01-27 19:53
8 replies
prime C9 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< prime SK <<<<< prime Astralis
2022-01-27 19:54
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#15
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Latvia emzijs
nt try, prime c9 > flukesSK> flukestralis
2022-01-27 19:55
6 replies
+1
2022-01-27 19:55
obvious bait, ok then
2022-01-27 19:56
#61
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Czech Republic WysTaaN
flair
2022-01-28 10:38
clown9 stronk +1))
2022-01-28 11:32
flair
2022-01-28 12:15
c9 1 skadoodle sk no skadoodle asstralis no skadoodle
2022-01-28 14:41
#19
koks | 
Saint Kitts and Nevis al0))
it kinda is if all of his team is playing for him but he has same rating like his igl in the end.. not disrespect tho he broke the curse
2022-01-27 19:58
5 replies
true, but the point can be made he played against solid teams
2022-01-27 19:59
4 replies
#25
koks | 
Saint Kitts and Nevis al0))
yeah i agree. even tho c9 fluked like never before, you definetly cannot compare them to the likes of former sk and astralis.. maybe one more choke for niko against a fluking team and he can get his major xd
2022-01-27 20:03
I mean niko was the only one with a positive rating against navi and is navi not a solid team? Not arguing against the c9 choke part tho
2022-01-28 00:42
2 replies
Choked against C9 Just lost in his second major final, didn’t choke tho
2022-01-28 10:50
1 reply
That's pretty much exactly what I said
2022-01-29 04:53
#135
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Russia dteakh
because ZywOo has never been at one
2022-01-28 14:30
1 reply
KEKW
2022-01-28 14:43
True, s1mple choke against ENCE in Major semis XD
2022-01-29 07:56
#3
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China RADNIKEY
Maybe slightly, but there’s a bigger gap between NiKo and the 4th best rifler
2022-01-27 19:48
2 replies
axile and electronic are close
2022-01-28 12:22
1 reply
nope
2022-01-28 12:32
+1 too many people don't know that s1mple and ZywOo would still be top1/2 even with rifles, somehow people calling them awp abusers XD
2022-01-27 19:49
5 replies
+1 He gets the hero ak everytime and wins a lot of time.
2022-01-27 19:51
#10
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France marponche
+1, its not their fault NiKo is worse than amanek with the awp. Niko may be the best raw aimer, but it doest make you a complete rifler. Both s1mple and ZywOo are more complete and have better decisions making.
2022-01-27 19:52
1 reply
and they both have excellent aim with rifles too
2022-01-27 20:04
+1 Many people think it's all about aiming or crispy one-taps and stuff, whereas rifling/AWPing at that level is not even about mechanical skills, as much as it is about gamesense and teamplay. Everybody can hit their shots at that level. Winning usually comes down to timing, positioning, immediate gamesense for self as well as for the team, utility usage, team setups and strats, and ofc accuracy and consistency of shots. In that sense, ZywOo and s1mple are superior to nearly everyone in the scene. It is hard for many people to digest this fact though.
2022-01-28 11:47
thats bs what niko is doing is truely special, hes not only getting stats, but making 4v5s and 3v5s with big map control. i would say zywoo is definatly the secound best rifler but s1mple is below both ax1le and hobbit if we count online, and if we are only counting lan even the likes of apex were having more impact on the rifle. if we just go like i saw s1mple ace with the rifle so he must be top1 rifler firstly keep in mind he baits hes whole team both as rifler and as awper, but as an awper thats kinda how u have to play sometimes. but secoundly, anyone remember refresh 1v5, teses 4k spraydown from jungle, rain shooting a runboosting player out of the air from a site to long on dust, ropz ace on nuke, the 2 million first kills apex got on ct nuke, all better plays from players that are not better than niko or zywoo, so why should s1mple be
2022-01-28 12:47
Jup fully agree, those 2 are above everyone else. And after that I agree with #3, although Elec comes close.
2022-01-27 19:49
#9
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France iatis
If we could filter the rating per weapon used, we could have some data to analys. But since we don't, it's kind of hard to "prove" it.
2022-01-27 19:50
0/8
2022-01-27 19:52
2 replies
#113
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Korea ramza72
s1mple ak more deadly than niko but s1mple love awp and destroy them
2022-01-28 12:50
1 reply
S0mple fan KEKW 0/8, also Zywoo GOAT!!!!!!
2022-01-28 14:44
#12
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Serbia eliiiiii_
if they were better than NiKo with the rifle then they'd play it because it's a much more impactful weapon when played well also $2050 cheaper on T side the fact they pick up rifle once in 7 rounds and find 2 kills while having 2 people holding flashes for them doesn't mean that they could do that for 30 rounds per game with useless teammates in major semifinals :)
2022-01-27 19:53
11 replies
Why would they play the rifle if their role is the main AWPer, NiKo tried it and it didn't go well so the AWP isn't very easy to use either
2022-01-27 19:57
5 replies
#22
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Serbia eliiiiii_
I never said NiKo is the best AWPer, this thread is about s1/Zy being top riflers yes that's their role, but it also allows them to have 1.4 rating without doing anything impactful, while 1.0 rated riflers can be much more valuable because some of them have to run through triple angles and literally extract water out of stone for a chance to win a round
2022-01-27 20:00
4 replies
if you think ZywOo and s1mple don't do anything impactful then you're just brain dead
2022-01-27 20:12
2 replies
#45
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Serbia eliiiiii_
braindead user no reading comprehension of his own language
2022-01-28 01:35
1 reply
uk brain
2022-01-28 14:55
#31
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Kosovo Theexend
Awpers are way too impactful than riflers.
2022-01-28 00:55
#38
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Brazil Madamrocas
I dont think the rifle is more impactful than the awp in the current meta
2022-01-28 01:02
#62
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France Guilsz_
there's a few elite AWPers so even if they are very good with the rifle putting them on that weapon is a waste of time tbh
2022-01-28 10:39
#69
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France HoxjE
Zywoo plays 80% of ak on T side but nt tho
2022-01-28 10:55
"rifle is more impactful" i was thinking this guy is a dumbass, and then i checked the flag and was like yep lol
2022-01-28 12:18
I'd like to think this is a bad bait or something but deep in my head I know it isn't a bait And it's sad
2022-01-28 14:29
Yeah, s1mple proved that in 2019 while being helpless without AWP.
2022-01-27 19:59
7 replies
he had the same stats as zywoo but no MVPS bcs NAVI was trash so your point is useless stop hating for no reason.
2022-01-28 01:59
4 replies
He had worse stats, i'm not hating.
2022-01-28 09:15
same stats for the whole year, not the period when he was rifling
2022-01-28 10:49
2 replies
For the period he was rifling: hltv.org/stats/players/7998/s1mple?start..
2022-01-28 11:51
1 reply
that's more like it
2022-01-28 12:23
lmao, delusional as always. Imagine calling s1mple ''helpless'' without AWP XDDDDD
2022-01-28 11:34
#84
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Latvia emzijs
it was like niko with amanek, amanek awping but it actually was s1mple with guardian, guardian awping
2022-01-28 12:19
#23
koks | 
Saint Kitts and Nevis al0))
+1 BUT you can definetly say they wont find the same amount of openings on t site like niko
2022-01-27 20:00
4 replies
#35
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Kosovo Theexend
ZywOo had more opening kills on t- side in 2020 if we exclude NiKo last 6 months
2022-01-28 00:57
3 replies
#37
koks | 
Saint Kitts and Nevis al0))
"ZywOo had more opening kills on t- side in 2020 if we exclude NiKo last 6 months" yeah im just speaking about peak from niko these last few months. never seen someone getting this many consistent openings on t side i would still argue that zywoo is having more impact on ct site with the rifle than niko on his current form
2022-01-28 01:02
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#41
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Kosovo Theexend
NiKo peaked way too hard, can't deny. But if he keeps his form this year then i will agree.
2022-01-28 01:05
1 reply
#42
koks | 
Saint Kitts and Nevis al0))
yes, its gonna be interesting year of cs :d
2022-01-28 01:07
no
2022-01-27 20:01
6 replies
flag check
2022-01-27 21:07
5 replies
brazilian talking ahahaha
2022-01-28 10:35
4 replies
g2 flair omegalul everyone knows zywoo and simple are better riflers than niko. zywoo rifled more than awped in 2021 and he still above niko lol
2022-01-28 12:19
3 replies
Copium
2022-01-28 12:41
s0mple fan
2022-01-28 12:46
He definitely awped more lmao, stop being delusional.
2022-01-29 05:11
ZywOo was often shutting down NiKo with a rifle like it was not a big deal for him
2022-01-28 00:51
1 reply
because no one is on his and simples level. people sucking niko's pp because he's one tapping people lol
2022-01-28 12:42
I think s1mple and zywoo are better than NiKo on spray, especially s1mple.
2022-01-28 00:55
Everybody already knows that.
2022-01-28 00:56
s1mple schooled niko at rifling during the major, it was brutal.
2022-01-28 00:56
1 reply
#39
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Brazil Madamrocas
S1mple schooled everyone on every category during the whole 2021 tbf
2022-01-28 01:03
yes we know
2022-01-28 00:57
#40
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Serbia Cheerio23
You could make an argument that they have better mechanics than NiKo but they don't have nearly the amount of experience in the role nor do they think like riflers for obvious reasons. NiKo would still smash them if they transitioned into rifling
2022-01-28 01:04
#43
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
This is definitely not a fact and I do respect your opinion. NiKo is one of the best rifle players ever and s1mple and ZywOo are just equally mechanical gods.
2022-01-28 01:18
#44
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxyownz
i arent thinking that. yeah they can do some good rifle rounds but it has no meaning if its not a whole game, series, event, month or year. niko is consistent, i doubt s1mple would have the same consistency with committing to rifle completely and not hybrid. zywoo probably could tho since he doesnt even want to play awp
2022-01-28 01:24
thats what people think when they see them playing with rifle for a few rounds. They make a few good kills and then everybody thinks they are the best lol. If s1mple and zywoo rifled for a year they wouldnt be as half as impactfull as they are now. Zywoo and s1mple have the whole team playing around them while NiKo makes plays for his.
2022-01-28 01:36
8 replies
THIS. FACTS
2022-01-28 01:37
+1
2022-01-28 01:51
#72
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France HoxjE
-1 Zywoo plays 80% of ak on t side
2022-01-28 10:57
4 replies
Yea true, but he doesnt entry. His team baits for him. As i said ,u see him get 2 entry frags on entire t side and u think that he entrys a lot. Btw, oppening kills and entry frags are not the same thing.
2022-01-28 12:37
3 replies
#124
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France HoxjE
zywoo is main entry on some maps like inferno and does entry a lot in general you should watch their game
2022-01-28 14:00
2 replies
Winning banana alone = entry
2022-01-28 14:22
He is not main entry on any of maps but ok. Go check his attempt rate on t side then come back.
2022-01-28 18:08
delusional thread
2022-01-28 12:31
They are not better riflers because THEY ARE NOT RIFLERS, are you so stupid?
2022-01-28 01:37
#54
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Serbia nzzm22
Hard disagree. S1mple's rating for the few months he rifled in 2019 for example were in the 1.20 ranges. If you don't think s1mple having 44.7% of his kills with the awp doesn't inflate his rating hard as fuck compared to riflers youre clueless. Hltv should have some data on this and i'd be very interested in it. 100% sure both s1mple and ZywOo have a lower rating in rounds they play with a rile than NiKo. And i suspect ZywOo would be decently above s1mple as well with a rifle. ZywOo could have a claim for the 2nd best rifler in the world possibly. S1mple to me is just head and shoulders above any player in the world with an AWP. No awper is close to him. And fair play, the awp is the strongest and has the highest ceiling of impact and he's the best with it, thus the most impactful player.
2022-01-28 01:54
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#85
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Kosovo Theexend
+1, s1mple is best awper in world by far and has good rifling skills, but his rifling is below ZywOo and probably NiKo
2022-01-28 12:19
s1mples rating while he was rifling was 0.01 below his yearly average though... far higher than anything NiKo has ever been able to consistently produce. hltv.org/stats/players/7998/s1mple?start..
2022-01-28 13:08
nikos rating in 2021 was in the 1.20 range too so thanks for proving the point
2022-01-29 07:57
even kid m0nesy is better rifler than ChoKo
2022-01-28 02:01
1 reply
facts
2022-01-28 10:44
0/8
2022-01-28 02:17
Zywoo yes, s1mple no zywoo rifle in 2021 is actually massively underrated, with all the stats he put up he is only #16 in awp kpr! meaning there is a huge part of rifle kills also his aim is extremely underrated, he is probably the best pistol player in history (3 years in a row the best pistol player, with quite a big gap to the next)
2022-01-28 10:47
even electronic would shit on s1mple and ZywOo with rifles. NiKo is just on a whole new level when it comes to rifling
2022-01-28 10:51
2 replies
Insane rifling level better than Zywoo and s1mple and still 0 majors, 0 top 1 and known for the 2 biggest chokes in cs history. Niko fans are the definition of delusional
2022-01-28 12:18
1 reply
i agree... niko is just not a better rifler. no one can touch zywoo and simple with rifles.
2022-01-28 12:34
#70
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Latvia doug_water
ZywOo is slightly better on average but when NiKo is in form he's better. S1mple never even comes close. /closed.
2022-01-28 10:56
ZywOo yes s1mple no
2022-01-28 10:56
8 replies
cry is free, s1mple goat
2022-01-28 11:36
+1
2022-01-28 11:38
it's other way around mate
2022-01-28 12:29
5 replies
no its not lol. zywoo rifled more than awp this year and hes still number 2. simple didnt rifle nearly as much.
2022-01-28 12:35
4 replies
and this is why you think zywoo rifle > s1mple rifle?
2022-01-28 12:39
3 replies
no zywoo has better accuracy with rifles, he gets entries and clutches while playing ak. s1mple can only bait with rifle.
2022-01-28 23:15
2 replies
+1
2022-01-28 23:19
0/8
2022-01-29 23:40
NiKo kept up with them in the second half of last year, both of them were awping and NiKo rifling
2022-01-28 12:23
#89
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Brazil ShalkanG
I think all top 4 players are great riflers with pretty much the same skill level. What sets them apart is their teams and the amount of tournament wins. MVPs count too
2022-01-28 12:28
#90
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Serbia dziggy13
Niko is the best riffler ever! It is hard for many people to digest this fact though.
2022-01-28 12:29
No, they are not hahaha. You just can´t compare them as a riflers, NiKo is the goat at that. Btw: s1mple 41% rifle kills hltv.org/stats/players/individual/7998/s.. ZywOo 36% rifle kills hltv.org/stats/players/individual/11893/.. NiKo 67% rifle kills hltv.org/stats/players/individual/3741/n..
2022-01-28 12:33
7 replies
all time filter hahahahahhaha
2022-01-28 12:36
4 replies
you can change it if you want, it doesn´t affect at all
2022-01-28 12:37
3 replies
2022-01-28 12:39
zywoo more rifle kills than kills with awp in 2021. still above niko, keep coping
2022-01-28 12:39
1 reply
My point is that 35% of their kills were with rifle, NiKo in stead have a 67% or so. You can argue that electroNic is the rifler goat or even ropz, EliGE, K0nfig or olof if you want to say so, but never s1mple or ZywOo, that is insane.
2022-01-28 12:55
That just shows that he is trash with awp and worse than them with pistols?
2022-01-28 12:58
1 reply
okay kiddo
2022-01-28 13:07
CS Experts: Niko is the best rifler to ever touch the game. Some kids on HLTV forum: S1mple Zywoo better rifler than Niko
2022-01-28 12:45
10 replies
+1
2022-01-28 12:49
I can´t even understand why they put s1mple and Zywoo on the table. I mean they are not even top5 at riflers (goat)
2022-01-28 12:51
6 replies
I beg tell me the 5 better riflers than ZywOo and S1mple, it will be hilarious I'm sure
2022-01-28 12:56
5 replies
I give you 7 kid: Niko, electroNic, Twistzz, dupreeh, olofmeister, EliGE, coldzera
2022-01-28 13:05
4 replies
I don't think you realize how much better ZywOo and S1mple are compared to these guys
2022-01-28 13:55
3 replies
I don't think you realize we are talking about rifler skills, this is not "Who is the best player" conversation. Oh I didn't see your nickname, conversation is over, have a nice day.
2022-01-28 14:08
2 replies
Niko fans are the worst, I swear. He can't win anything so you create a new category of "best riffler" and put him on top with 0 stats and 0 achievements to back it up.
2022-01-28 14:34
1 reply
Wow...Niko has already won a lot of things with Faze maybe you started watching last year and he will win a lot of things in future as well Simple is goat player Zywoo is best hybrid player Niko is best rifler If you can't understand this there is no point in arguing
2022-01-29 07:05
#132
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
Some of these dimb experts put niko in top 2 and rez in top 20
2022-01-28 14:26
+1
2022-01-28 23:19
Just like Dev1ce is the better awper
2022-01-28 12:50
We saw what happened last time s1mple went mostly rifle so i highly doubt it
2022-01-28 14:30
this thread somehow united s1mple and zywoo fans
2022-01-28 14:37
papatronic best rifler you cant change my mind
2022-01-28 14:41
2 replies
b1t surpassed his limits
2022-01-29 07:09
#157
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Poland dzolne
b1t is better
2022-01-29 07:23
NiKo is better rifler but zywoo and s1mple are top 2 and 3 although zywoo is far better
2022-01-28 14:42
1 reply
#158
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Poland dzolne
s1mple rifles > niko rifles > zywoo rifles s1mple awp > zywoo awp >>>>>>> niko awp
2022-01-29 07:23
I agree that s1mple and ZywOo are probably top 3 riflers right now, but you’re delusional if you think s1mple or ZywOo can quit awping and still put up the numbers like NiKo was putting up at the end of the year. They can get close, but they’ll drop off at least a bit statistically from their awping numbers.
2022-01-28 14:48
1 reply
+1
2022-01-28 23:21
+1 but Niko best hard rifler. if it weren't for boosted stats with the awp, Niko would be #1 against zywoo and s1
2022-01-29 07:54
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