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CS was better before
Russia tonysh3 
Change my mind Cs before (2015-2016) was more competetive Teamplay was better, teams dont look like run and gun pugs. A lot of teams were close to top level, a lot of interesting matchups, a lot of sick highlightes. Nowadays a lot of tier 2-3 teams with lineup which exists less than 3-6 months
2022-05-14 19:06
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f0rest | 
Sweden xphx
yeah but still better than astralis era, because astralis was the only team playing good, all other teams was shet
2022-05-14 19:07
46 replies
Yep Idk how People even think about Navi era and name Navi as best team of all time
2022-05-14 19:08
38 replies
Ive never seen anyone call navi the best team of all time. Only bait threads would say this
2022-05-14 19:29
18 replies
there have been threads about it, and its not a bait, it has actual logical reasoning to it 2018 astralis would get beat by 2022 navi just because theyre 4 years ahead in strats and gameplay. so yes, technically navi was the best team of all time in 2021
2022-05-14 19:59
15 replies
Yeah maybe it depends on how you interpret it but "best team" to me means the most achievements. Form isnt really comparable since the level of play is constantly increasing, which discredits any older lineups.
2022-05-14 20:08
Faze 2022 is Best of all time agree? Same logic
2022-05-14 20:09
10 replies
peak navi would crush this faze
2022-05-14 20:09
9 replies
#76
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India Syyylens
and so would peak astralis crush peak navi
2022-05-14 20:11
8 replies
nah, the time gap between them is too big, navi would crush astralis
2022-05-14 20:11
7 replies
#79
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India Syyylens
No Navi relied too much on individual prowess whereas astralis was about probability and tactics So they won't
2022-05-14 20:13
3 replies
yes, their 2018 tactics are outdated by now, every team knows their utility and defaults that used to be "unique" in 2018
2022-05-14 20:13
2 replies
#85
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India Syyylens
Ok Anthony listen, Astralis was all about timing, some set default etc etc sure but even now only s1mple and electronic were better than peak astralis magisk and device. Even still both of them were very impactful Glave> boombl4 in every way Zonic> blade Xyp> perfecto Dupreeh= bit (approx) So even if you were to compare those two in their peaks astralis would win
2022-05-14 20:17
1 reply
the whole point is 2018 best team vs 2022 best team why would the one that was the best 4 years ago when the overall level of play was lower, be better? also im not anthony!
2022-05-14 22:31
Logic not detected Real Madrid 2015-2022 Will crush Barcelona 2008-2012, no way
2022-05-14 20:13
2 replies
football isnt esports lmfao
2022-05-14 20:14
1 reply
Yeah football is much more established so the improvement year from year is much smaller than in cs
2022-05-14 21:22
Not 2022 navi for obvious reasons but peak 2021 would beat peak astralis in a game
2022-05-14 21:20
2 replies
They never have opposition close to Astralis level
2022-05-14 21:27
Please make it happen Would be legendary
2022-05-17 16:11
#153
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Brazil Soulsix
For me that NAVI team with flamie, guardian, zeus, seized and edward was the best csgo NAVI. NAVI x LG overpass best csgo match ever (peak guardian x peak fallen)
2022-05-14 20:55
1 reply
+1
2022-05-15 17:13
#49
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Portugal dark_kolos
what is your definition of an era?
2022-05-14 19:57
10 replies
not navi
2022-05-14 20:00
8 replies
#64
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Portugal dark_kolos
I asked that is the definition, not what isn't.
2022-05-14 20:06
4 replies
Meta defining gameplay(Thats a very important one bc Astralis was that good because they did smth no one else did so they had to apdapt in order to beat them), dominating all other teams, a good win streak, maybe a break a few records along the way stuff like that you know?, Navi did nothing special besides getting good players and finally kicking bots like flamie
2022-05-14 20:12
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#81
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Portugal dark_kolos
Their meta was simply consistency, there is a big lack of it in the current days. Dominated everyone, that's not even on the table for a discussion. Win streak was their primary point. Record such as not even losing a map in the major?
2022-05-14 20:13
2 replies
Oh and I forgot longevity and the fact that some of it was Online which makes a bit oof imo, I would say Navi was close to an era but if you compare it to Astralis 2018/19 its not an era Just my opinion
2022-05-14 20:15
1 reply
if we compare any era to the astralis one none is an era, they simply were invencible
2022-05-14 20:38
Navi about to win 2nd major that is an era, i mean in 2020 during covid Navi were still dominating, that is like 2 years in 'csgo era'
2022-05-16 10:35
2 replies
if they win this major they have an era yes
2022-05-16 13:14
1 reply
+1 deal
2022-05-16 13:48
Back to back majors with decent competition
2022-05-14 20:09
they are surely not the best team of all time. but i believe that during their pick in 2021 they were the most dominant team in csgo history. they didn't even lose a map in stockholm
2022-05-14 20:02
6 replies
I keep hearing ppl cite this "didn't lose a map in Stockholm" crap over and over. Who cars?? fnatic, Astralis, SK all had major runs where they dropped only one map. "didn't lose a map at major" just sounds much nicer I admit, but that's about it. In comparison, I very rarely hear ppl mention the fact that Astralis went 18-0 across their 3 back-to-back-to-back major playoffs and dropped like 40 rounds across the 3 finals. I'm biased ofc, but those two stats are a hell lot more impressive imo even from a neutral perspective.
2022-05-14 20:08
5 replies
#113
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Spain Wiricardo
Name checks out
2022-05-14 20:30
1 reply
It really does. Loads of users on this site who try to rewrite history and deny GOAT Astralis greatness
2022-05-14 20:42
They won like literally every single event since b1t joined. What’s wrong with you lol? Got mad with absolutely zero reason
2022-05-14 20:30
1 reply
I didn't get mad. I'm legit baffled why that "didn't lose a single map in Stockholm" crap is repeated over and over like it's gospel "They won like literally every single event since b1t joined." > ????? no, they didn't?
2022-05-14 20:41
#296
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Sweden skeppis
well nip went 87/0 but only OG remembers so no one is talking about that either
2022-05-16 08:08
Ikrrr astralis were just on another level and I hated the shit Outta them
2022-05-16 07:42
imagine a team being so good, other teams that would win throphies in today's csgo are called "shat" today. lol
2022-05-14 20:33
2 replies
this is internet, we always exagerate btw i don't think astralis was so good... they ofc were the best team atm but nothing spetacular, and every other team was not at a very good level... astralis rival for many tournaments was team liquid, they lose like 8 or 9 finals to them
2022-05-14 20:46
Imagine a team around being so good so without top1 team we wouldnt bet on these matches bcs everytime we Will have a different winner bcs its literally faceit mix 1 VS faceit mix 2
2022-05-14 21:29
astralis era was so boring
2022-05-14 20:54
i would say astralis were the best because of their abilities and made good teams look shit, not other teams being bad in the first place
2022-05-14 21:18
2 replies
flag checks
2022-05-14 23:02
1 reply
so do astralis stats and strats
2022-05-15 09:27
low tier bait
2022-05-14 19:08
2 replies
+1
2022-05-14 19:13
+1
2022-05-14 20:52
#3
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Brazil MIBR_IS_BAD
2016 was so competitive, NA team in the final of the major and 2 best players in the world injured
2022-05-14 19:08
6 replies
So prime Guardian is not good? Prime olof is bad?
2022-05-14 19:13
5 replies
they definitely weren't in their prime in 2016
2022-05-14 19:25
4 replies
Pls dont say that Faze Guardian was better than Navi Guardian Same for OLof
2022-05-14 19:28
3 replies
guardian in 2017 in faze was better than guardian in 2016 in navi
2022-05-14 19:29
#247
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
olof prime was 2015 and guardian was better in faze
2022-05-15 09:36
1 reply
first of all we all fucked up here if we talk about 2016 cold and fallen were top1 and top2 i mess up with 2015 (olof and guardian)
2022-05-15 10:41
0/8
2022-05-14 19:08
7 replies
+1. Teams we have right now would beat the shit out of 2015 top teams. /close
2022-05-14 20:43
6 replies
M0nesy Will shit on JW bro
2022-05-14 21:30
#248
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
unironically DMGs are better then the pro scene in 2014. Which is to be expected and the same in every sport. Not even putting down old cs 2015 is still my favourite year for csgo. But humans get better at tasks & sports as time goes on not worse.
2022-05-15 09:37
4 replies
u must be trolling lmao, nip/fnatic/ldlc prime would own everyone nowadays
2022-05-15 21:27
3 replies
#278
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
go watch 2015 csgo. everyone takes like 15 bullets to kill someone.
2022-05-16 03:17
u are trolling lol
2022-05-16 07:46
1 reply
"Signed up 2018-07-20" did u say anything? no? good
2022-05-16 12:28
#5
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Somalia PartyShaker
VALARANTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
2022-05-14 19:08
> Teamplay was better > 2015 Doesn't look accurate
2022-05-14 19:08
8 replies
#94
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India Syyylens
True the Fnatic gameplay was very intuition-based to say at best
2022-05-14 20:24
#249
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
C9 takes dust 2 B site. 4v2 against fnatic. plant bomb all leave and run CT spawn to A to hunt kills. fnatic walks in tunnels and defuses killing no one teamplay better in 2015 LMAO
2022-05-15 09:39
6 replies
snax defuse mirage too
2022-05-16 06:44
5 replies
#282
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
yeah. I mean whens the last time you saw a real ninja defuse in pro cs? not for years. Sure people have smoked and defused but the enemy always knew or at least was on site thinking it was a fake. Been a long time since someone started defusing without any Ts even hearing the defuse sound
2022-05-16 07:16
4 replies
agreed, less room for luck as time goes and pro cs develops
2022-05-16 07:31
1 reply
#297
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
Just like people use to treat smokes like walls. Then players started flashing through and getting easy kills. and now we are getting to the point players are treating them like walls again because pros now listen for grenade pins and look away from flashes they cant see which is insane.
2022-05-16 08:27
S1mple did it vs coL but yeah they heard it ig
2022-05-16 07:44
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#298
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
Yeah thats closer to what i meant. Forgot about that one. Just most of the time now its a defuse and they spam 30 bullets into the smoke and just happen to miss. even thats happening less now though. you smoke and defuse and get 1tapped
2022-05-16 08:29
#7
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Fiji Watamelon
Cry
2022-05-14 19:08
#9
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Russia P0vTr
But even top 40 team today will outshoot every single top team back in 2016
2022-05-14 19:09
29 replies
hltv.org/team/5422/dignitas Grandpas on top 39 Welcome to reality
2022-05-14 19:15
28 replies
the brutal reality is that cs is not as developed as other people think it is, compared to lol at least cs hasn't changed last 5 years
2022-05-14 19:19
24 replies
So i am based Cs go 2022 <= cs go 2016
2022-05-14 19:30
1 reply
its slightly better today skill wise and things like sports psychologists finally aren't being laughed at
2022-05-14 19:32
0/8 developing != artificially changing the meta
2022-05-14 20:26
20 replies
+1 the good thing about CS is that the developer rarely changes anything. It's usually teams that have to innovate to get to the top.
2022-05-14 20:29
11 replies
how to innovate when we have like what, 10 maps in almost a decade? metas in these highly overplayed maps just go on cycle, there's nothing new but we still have pros playing on 4:3 bb not changing their sens because they believe in muscle memory, cs is so far behind it's laughable
2022-05-14 20:45
10 replies
you have to be stupid or delusional, when you meticulously play almost the same maps for 5 years you slowly improve, learn new timings, become a better aimer, and over a long period of time those small improvements are put together into a massive improvement. It's just how shit works, progression is rarely ever stagnant
2022-05-14 21:17
8 replies
+1 My guy has no clue what forced progression does to an esport. Look at what has become of OW and StarCraft.
2022-05-14 21:20
7 replies
I don't even know how he came to this conclusion, if you go back 5 years and watch CS you will see quite a large difference in skill compared to now.
2022-05-14 21:21
6 replies
large difference? other than s1mple, awpers in tier 1 still land like 50% of their shots. it's only slightly increased don't be silly
2022-05-14 21:24
5 replies
It feels like you're not even watching the games, awpers in T1 hit far more than 50% of their shots. You obviously suffer from nostalgia bias.
2022-05-14 21:26
4 replies
60%, you're right i'm sorry i'm watching m0nesy and syrson right now, no nostalgia bias here. it's always been this way
2022-05-14 21:33
3 replies
Even if that was true, have you ever considered that people have a way better understanding of utility and might use it more efficiently to make it harder for awpers to hit their shots? Please wake up to reality already
2022-05-14 21:36
2 replies
Plus the awp has been nerfed to oblivion. There is a reason why nobody is as good with the weapon as the great players of old, but the great players of old are nowhere near tier 1 anymore.
2022-05-14 21:39
hahhahah bro did you not watch navi big, there was no utility thrown with his whiffs, this is simply the current state of the game evenutally cs will go through a breakthrough and you'll see explosion in skill level like league and starcraft. not right now though
2022-05-14 21:41
#181 Have you been watching the same game as everyone else these past 10 years?
2022-05-14 21:21
a team of grandpas who don't particularly value the game as much is still a top 40 team. the skill level not increasing drastically is what i mean by developed in league, a top 10 player in season 1 is barely a diamond today. can't really say the same for cs
2022-05-14 20:39
7 replies
0/16 team of grandpas have been grinding every day and were the core of the best team in the world 6 yrs ago, ofc they can catch up in the meta if they play the game. also ur desperate attempts to compare apples to oranges with cs and lol is cringe
2022-05-14 21:49
6 replies
and why can't i compare esports in terms of relative skill level over the years?
2022-05-14 21:52
5 replies
you can retard, its just irrelevant and meaningless to the fact people who play the game who used to be good are now good again. if u want to have the brainless take that this is bc the game doesnt "develop" then idc ur an idiot
2022-05-14 21:58
4 replies
2015: awpers missing half their shots 2022: awpers missing a little less than half their shots that argument makes sense now?
2022-05-14 22:01
2 replies
lmao just keep saying random words im sure youll bait someone 1-0
2022-05-14 22:14
1 reply
nah you are just so numb to "t1" whiffs its become acceptable to you
2022-05-14 22:17
Man you lost it Old People are in top 40 of cs 2022 They arent as good as they were before you can check it by any stats, but they are in top40 even if they are close to quit
2022-05-14 22:18
Man, that was the dumbest take so far. 4 years ago Astralis changed up the meta quite drastically and other teams has evolved it even further.
2022-05-16 10:38
Grandpas? Only 2 old players and one of them played on a tier 1 level 2 years ago and left by his own decision and it wasn't even because he was bad lmao he could still play for a tier 1 team
2022-05-16 07:47
2 replies
2 years in 9 years old game is pretty much its pretty much for 10 years career too in other words why players are washed up when they were good 2 years ago ask coldzera or kennys pls in 2019
2022-05-19 18:46
1 reply
He's still putting up numbers at a tier 2 level tho
2022-05-19 21:57
#10
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CIS TheBigSAM
CS post-Astralis is the best CS we've ever had. Deal with it
2022-05-14 19:09
4 replies
#252
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Uzbekistan R_Sick
+1
2022-05-15 10:08
+11
2022-05-16 07:47
Nt, cs after astralis is shit, every third game is upset
2022-05-16 07:58
1 reply
#299
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CIS TheBigSAM
Yes, and it's awesome
2022-05-16 10:29
#11
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Russia Soawii
0/8 nostalgia overdose
2022-05-14 19:09
#12
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Canada zizzle21
would be so funny to see top team in the world from 2016 just get rolled by a random cis team
2022-05-14 19:09
Teamplay was better - NO Teams dont look like run and gun pugs - Are you high? Lots of teams at top lvl - NO Lot of interesting matchups - Same situation even now Sick highlights - YES
2022-05-14 19:09
7 replies
Fnatic - NIP Navi - Lyminosity VP- NIP TSM - Fnatic Envuys - Navi Name something like this in 2022
2022-05-14 19:11
6 replies
NaVi - G2 VP - C9 NaVi - C9 Faze - G2 Heroic - NaVi U r talking about interesting match ups so here u go there was no mention of some illustrated rivalries or something but just interesting matchups so yeah here u go
2022-05-14 19:15
3 replies
Onesided Not intresting(doesnt matter Who win) Ok, it counts (but always onesided in different timelines like Liquid Astralis Same as Mouz - HR to be honest Onesided, but it will count as top match
2022-05-14 19:21
2 replies
One sided means something around 16-8 but I will give u the leeway for a 16-10 and none of this matches go down as such so not one sided irrespective of whatever way u look at it from and u do agree that they still are interesting match ups while being top notch match ups
2022-05-14 19:38
1 reply
2 of 5 matchups intresting Guess what - top1 team with contenders
2022-05-14 19:56
+1 nowadays its literally faze vs navi
2022-05-14 19:15
1 reply
or G2 vs NaVi for that matter
2022-05-14 23:07
All teams nowadays are on same level as prime HR guys They are not even on prime mouz level
2022-05-14 19:10
when time pass , u will know how much competitive cs is nowadays
2022-05-14 19:10
#17
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Finland Vkims
Ah yes, Pronax was mostly known from his 200iq strat "Olof go kill"
2022-05-14 19:12
1 reply
Fnatic 2015 like Real Madrid bro They should lose bcs they are 4v5 but miracles happen
2022-05-14 19:17
SK and LG era never happened in my memory and S1mple is 3 time major winner and soon 4 time major winner
2022-05-14 19:12
2 replies
based
2022-05-14 19:15
#32
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Sweden pluskyyy
crackhead
2022-05-14 19:28
what nostalgia does to a man
2022-05-14 19:13
Grass was greener
2022-05-14 19:22
5 replies
Grass was better People actually watch CS back in a days And Majors were something special Back in a days = majors in cs go = international in dota Nowadays majors in cs go = majors in dota
2022-05-14 19:25
4 replies
#52
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Netherlands Lasarius
Grass is still the same lmao go look up viewer counts people are watching more csgo then in the past Still are you can't call yourself one of the best without having won a major LMAO INTERNATIONAL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CS:GO Major always has been
2022-05-14 19:59
3 replies
Look at the numbers Exclude chinese and brazilians Official stream have less viewers than non official Brazilian.
2022-05-14 20:08
#115
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Russia Soawii
international is falling off now, the prev one already had less peak viewers than stockholm major
2022-05-14 20:32
1 reply
#160
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Netherlands Lasarius
2,741,514 peak viewers for TI10 and 2,748,434 for the Stockholm major it is 6,920 viewer difference and stockholm was a exception
2022-05-14 21:03
ok boomer
2022-05-14 19:30
#38
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Italy alastt27
I'm so sure you didn't watch a single game of 2015-2016 you only watched some highlight and that's it, I swear to god lvls 10 are better than t1 of that time, it's how much cs evolved, so stfu.
2022-05-14 19:31
20 replies
It's not about how current pros would out aim pros from 2015, it's about the excitement that games had how don't u understand it that way, in 2015 a match between Fnatic and let's say envyus looked like absolute peak of counter strike gameplay even tho rn it might not look like it anymore
2022-05-14 19:48
Riflers nowadays surpass Niko and Forest Awpers surpass Guardian, Fallen and Kennys No they are not
2022-05-14 19:58
18 replies
#74
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Italy alastt27
where are f0rest, guardian, fallen and kennys rn? :D Niko is still on top because he doesn't care about the lvl of cs that evolves, he is good anyway.
2022-05-14 20:10
17 replies
They are fucking old They compete from 2013 (2014 fallen) F0rest still carrying his team in top40 All of them can easily standup in any "top" team There is allu bro, there is sunny and sergei? There will be these nowadays "stars" past 2 years?
2022-05-14 20:18
16 replies
#116
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Italy alastt27
sure, already excuses look at HObbit, dupreeh, rain, tabsen and many other old and strong players it's just the level of cs that grew and they coulnd't handle its' level.
2022-05-14 20:32
15 replies
Dupreeh washed up Rain washed up 50/50 Tabsen tier 2 player Hobbit pretty young to the game Look at Karrygan playing for top1 team Seems like pug stars with aim on faceit doesnt work Hard to kill daddy Btw you didnt answer Konfig, kjarbye? Kng, hen1? Aizy?
2022-05-14 20:47
14 replies
#147
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Italy alastt27
you don't care about stats, huh? All they have more than 1.08 rating on t1 while HObbit has 1.15 and tabseN has 1.12 in a team that mostly lose, which is a really good result and all this is WAY better than 0.99 in t3
2022-05-14 20:51
13 replies
Not a bad year
2022-05-14 20:59
10 replies
#159
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Italy alastt27
1>0.00
2022-05-14 21:00
8 replies
Last time goat played VS top 10 opposition on big events he was better than dupreeh and tabsen hltv.org/stats/players/29/f0rest?startDa..
2022-05-14 21:03
7 replies
#169
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Italy alastt27
ok, but dupreeh was still better that year, and had way more t1 matches KRIMZ: hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2019-01.. same year, and he was old
2022-05-14 21:10
6 replies
Should i argue with you You count 25-26 as OLD and compare them to 29 years old f0rest. Look at this picture pls img-cdn.hltv.org/gallerypicture/zMTXurof..
2022-05-14 21:16
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#178
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Italy alastt27
show this to HObbit, he will be pleasently surprised
2022-05-14 21:18
1 reply
Will he be suprised to see that at 27 slump is not started as this picture shows? Same goes for jackz. They are kinda New to the scene, they do not have burnout.
2022-05-14 21:22
Btw i have a feeling that Zywoo was better in 2019 than shox, nbk and kennys? What do you think?
2022-05-14 21:19
2 replies
#190
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Italy alastt27
I know you are joking, don't live in the past, age doesn't matter there are many old player that deliever no matter anything, it's all about skill, and always has been.
2022-05-14 21:23
1 reply
Man our whole chat is literally about that im based and you are not. Yes i joke above Zywoo in your style. Age doesnt matter, thats why top20 contain so many 28+ players Only f0rest was there at that age
2022-05-14 21:38
U make no sense comparing most pros play back then it looked like pugs even now globals and faceit players sometimes play. Better then pro teams back then. Teamplay was so bad. Fnstic had best teamplay or sk and later astralis rest teams didnt had high lvl tactics mostly just insane individual players who get away with crazy plays.
2022-05-14 19:33
#42
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Estonia meggas
0/8
2022-05-14 19:36
you were 12 then
2022-05-14 19:36
I think cs peeked in 2018 with boston major.. it's not the same since
2022-05-14 19:54
2 replies
nt stewart2000
2022-05-14 20:04
1 reply
Aka let me die first, i have so much impact
2022-05-14 21:05
Competition is way better now. Not a single team is dominating. Not as many clips because all players are better and there is more flash and smoke combos.
2022-05-14 19:57
10 replies
Competetion is weak as fuck Navi dominate for 2 years with no decent team Who dont reshuffle Now Faze make another pug team and win some events while Navi have problems connected with war in Ukraine. Not a single team dominating means for me they are not tier1, they are all tier2. Look Astralis and Vitality literally outplayed by any teams, and these teams will not be contender for any trophies anyway, they all will shuffle right after major once again Faze get trashed today.
2022-05-14 20:03
9 replies
Every couple years there has always been 1 team winning everything. Competition now is way harder than it has ever been. There is so many more teams that can win against the best and win a tournament.
2022-05-14 20:08
8 replies
How many teams winning an event in 2020-2022 How many won in single 2015?
2022-05-14 20:11
7 replies
In 2015 fnatic won a bunch of events. There has been an era for 1 team since csgo started nip, fnatic, astralis, and now navi.
2022-05-14 20:18
3 replies
Now take 2016 too And Just look for finalists And compare to these years
2022-05-14 20:20
2 replies
I understand what your saying there were more different teams winning events but there were also a lot more events. Now there isn't as many LAN events as there once were. But competition is way harder than its ever been because the guns are more balanced and the tactics are more complex. Back in the older days of cs it was more puggy and run and gun.
2022-05-14 20:26
1 reply
Its way more events today, doesnt matter which format they are Grand slam events + blast events is already close to amount of events in previous years
2022-05-14 20:39
#142
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Asia KCSK
Big events 2015 hltv.org/stats/events?startDate=2015-01-.. 2021 hltv.org/stats/events?startDate=2021-01-.. Almost no difference with 1 team winning almost everything All events in the top 30 2015 hltv.org/stats/events?startDate=2015-01-.. 2021 hltv.org/stats/events?startDate=2021-01-.. Just by looking at these you can see that competition has increased as well as the number of tournaments.
2022-05-14 20:44
2 replies
At least we remember against Who fnatic won
2022-05-14 21:11
realized you're clueless after you said it's less competitive and less team work haha
2022-05-14 19:59
4 replies
It took very long for you You could realize it by the title
2022-05-14 20:04
3 replies
Well, not really. Since I can't see what exact argument you will have. Maybe comparing your past experience playing the game to present. Maybe comparing cs 1.6 to cs go. Maybe talking about how less competitive it was back then than now which makes it less entertaining to watch.
2022-05-14 20:34
2 replies
Last sentence is wrong You could check opinion on entertaining in this thread
2022-05-14 20:41
1 reply
That's not my opinion though.
2022-05-14 20:43
More exciting - I agree. More team play, what are you high on pls give me it. Just look at heroic vs liquid match today, heroic were absolutely sick in their strats from their lurks to their decisions to everything. They werent even outaiming anyone, they purely won on gameplans while liquid had to clutch hard to even make it 16-11.
2022-05-14 20:04
4 replies
ITS LIQUID MAN They domt even communicate with each other, look ar webcams
2022-05-14 20:05
3 replies
that doesnt take away any of heroics skill in the gameplan, those were sick strats. I loved watching them play today. Stavns and sjuush flanks and lurks were so good.
2022-05-14 20:06
2 replies
Now Furia trashing Liquid Probably as smart as Cadian
2022-05-14 20:22
1 reply
trashing is not equal to strats. Tells me you dont even watch matches, just A beat B so their strats are good.
2022-05-14 20:37
Today's pro scene is much better but i miss 2014-2015 times :(
2022-05-14 20:06
1 reply
#99
Xizt | 
New Zealand Rabb5t
+1
2022-05-14 20:26
cs was more fun to watch back then because of how the weapons were balanced. ultra aggro awp plays were the meta, the 32 bullet tec9 was insane, 1 shot headshot p250, etc.
2022-05-14 20:06
8 replies
don't forget the op cz
2022-05-14 20:08
1 reply
never forgetti
2022-05-14 20:08
revolver better than rifle
2022-05-14 20:20
5 replies
unfortunately we never saw that in a pro game
2022-05-14 20:21
1 reply
rip
2022-05-14 20:22
that lived very short tho, meanwhile tec-9 fucked up the whole major
2022-05-14 20:25
2 replies
what major? sorry i started watching in 2018
2022-05-14 20:25
1 reply
Katowice 2015, mvp olofmeister had more kills with tec-9 than ak-47 :) still remember how people especially the redditors were complaining about tec-9 hahaha
2022-05-14 20:31
Just admit you've lost interest in watching comp cs since 2016, so you think things were better before. And I guess you've never watched a single demo, because cs meta has been evolving every year .
2022-05-14 20:17
4 replies
Idk what do you mean evolving Before teams used to fight for apps on inferno and mid on mirage as CT Now they are dont do it Astralis break wall of smokes with mollies and smokes now nobody cares Astralis used nading spots now it happens very rare
2022-05-14 20:26
3 replies
Year after year teams have been thinking of how to outplay their opponents, making up new things and now there are much more variations of strategies both on ct and t sides. For example back then we coundn't imagine that team can play without mid on ct side, now it's real.
2022-05-14 20:44
And if talk about highlights, yes, there were better, but we should always keep in mind that beautiful highlight first of all is a sequence of opponents' horrible mistakes, so I consider it's much more difficult to do a highlight than it was because teams mistake less.
2022-05-14 20:53
1 reply
Idk how taps and flicks are result of enemies team fault Zywoo Ace clutch VS Navi is horrible Navi play Cadian clutch same?
2022-05-14 21:00
#98
Xizt | 
New Zealand Rabb5t
> Teamplay was better, teams dont look like run and gun pugs. youtu.be/asDtlvn7N5U I'll just leave this here
2022-05-14 20:26
6 replies
This was definitely a lot more fun to watch than modern CS, but a team playing like this in 2022 wouldnt reach the major
2022-05-14 20:28
You can But today you cant do this And btw they done it with money in the bank
2022-05-14 20:28
2 replies
I'm talking about how EnVyUs played this round
2022-05-14 20:29
1 reply
I mean its bad but i have a conclusion that they dont expect B execution with 4 awpers in other team
2022-05-14 20:43
2022-05-14 20:28
You could actually see how before update teams buy a lot of scars to wallbang someone even in 2020-2021
2022-05-14 20:29
#108
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Somalia maL0VAS
true, it was way more fun. upsets were more rare and it was super hype, also cs wasnt insanely generic as it is now, its just boring to see these dead maps like vertigo or ancient, bring back old maps like cobble, cache and it will be way more fun.
2022-05-14 20:29
5 replies
Like literaaly how many iconic highlights this maps have Snax is hungry S1mple knifed by cold Karrygan miss on kennys Mag7 on drop Dennis both aces on cache and cobble S1mple double noscope Niko deagle Hiko VS luminosity Jw shot out of vision And this is Just a part from what i remember And no higjlights on ancient and vertigo
2022-05-14 20:33
4 replies
#196
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Somalia maL0VAS
You came in with the receipts... Fax my guy.
2022-05-14 21:25
+1 so nostalgic to think about now
2022-05-14 23:14
ah yes, cache and cobble have highlights while vertigo and ancient don't just because they are good maps and TOTALLY not because they had 5 years in the active map pool to compile those highlights while vertigo is at 3 and ancient has barely hit 1 year in the active duty map pool.
2022-05-15 03:01
1 reply
man your opinion is like you need to play map for 5 years to have something special on it i think you are completely wrong we already have olofpass and pronax 3k molly in first 2 years
2022-05-15 10:31
Disagree.
2022-05-14 20:29
#112
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CIS CIS_ERA
i think 2022 will be a great year for CS like the old times. All teams are competitive, no team very ahead of the others (faze is a fluke), ''newer'' teams/players contending for top spots (Ence, CPH)... its great. If valve nerfs m4a1s it will be greater
2022-05-14 20:30
3 replies
All teams are literally have same level from 2020, it Will be another boring year with Navi domination if they Will not swap Faze is fluke, Just a pug team Vp/heroic/gambit same level as before Could be contenders but they will not win anything much
2022-05-14 20:36
+1 also ct side meta
2022-05-14 21:24
You think that "newer players" aka just rush everyround contending for top spots is good? Xd
2022-05-16 07:40
How to say "I have have no clue ehat I'm talking about" without actually saying it. Prime NiP literally just played default every round. Prime fnatic looked like an FPL stack compared to the challenger stage teams of today. The game tactically speaking has come a long way and esport has only become deeper and more interesting.
2022-05-14 20:33
1 reply
Prime fnatic looked like Real Madrid of CSGO Nobody have a clue how they win 4v5
2022-05-14 20:34
#120
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Spain eybro
2014-2016 most fun era to watch fnatic in their prime was the funnies team to watch. Astralis best off all time tho
2022-05-14 20:33
just analyze an execute from 2016 and a execute from 2022, if after that you still thinks the same... i fear you are blind.
2022-05-14 20:35
#124
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Malaysia bobileet
super low tier b8, but cs was more fun thats fact. But saying that cs was more teamplay....0/8
2022-05-14 20:35
what a bullshit. its an illusion level of cs is so much higher now. individual level as well as game knowledge and teamplay/tactical level if you think its pug play nowadays you simply cant grasp the nuances of tactical play as a team on the level we see now
2022-05-14 20:36
2 replies
+1
2022-05-14 21:22
Thats why we have top team with IGL known for tactics Go A, then Going B
2022-05-14 21:41
I preferred 2012-2014 but 1.6 is always going to be better. ^^
2022-05-14 20:38
16 replies
What was your favorite 1.6 era?
2022-05-14 21:07
15 replies
#197
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Finland siloquez
2003-2006 ! youtube.com/watch?v=wmHDpuHPAjY <-- top 2002 frag movie!
2022-05-14 21:26
1 reply
god people were so bad back then
2022-05-15 09:43
Probably 2002-2009.
2022-05-14 21:55
12 replies
Expected from stone age user
2022-05-15 20:40
11 replies
I'm only 29, though that compares to how old you are, friend. Given your bait responses, I can make assumptions and estimations but I won't do that.
2022-05-15 20:45
10 replies
I dont think someone serious when he thinks 2013 cs is better than 2021-2022 and some stone age boomer game is better than cs go lmao
2022-05-15 20:47
9 replies
That's because you don't respect the difference of opinions, not because of my age, we both know that to be bait. I'm guessing you never played 1.6 before?
2022-05-15 20:50
8 replies
Yes i have only for 10 hours bcuz my eyes couldnt stand for that ugly graphics and ugly game
2022-05-15 21:00
7 replies
Assuming only graphics make a game? You don't need to be from the "stone age" to know that's a fallacy.
2022-05-15 21:02
6 replies
Before minecraft Stone age in my book
2022-05-15 21:06
5 replies
Minecraft is your benchmark?
2022-05-15 21:10
4 replies
Yes the greatest game of all time Or maybe every game pre ps3 is stoneage
2022-05-15 21:11
3 replies
Yet Minecraft is a prime example of a game that stands on its own merits despite graphics, alike 1.6? Your bias is clouding your logical judgement.
2022-05-15 21:18
2 replies
Apologize minecraft for disrespecting its graphics and comparing with shitty 1.6
2022-05-15 21:20
1 reply
I used Minecraft as an example and artistic comparison of a game that doesn't need graphics to excel and be considered a fantastic game. Once again, you aren't reading my posts, friend.
2022-05-15 21:30
#131
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Ukraine d3adLY
not true
2022-05-14 20:39
any top 10 rn would wreck any top 1 team back then
2022-05-14 20:44
#143
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United Kingdom legji
2015 was probably the least teamplay time period of CS. Literally just aimers out aiming other aimers to get trophies. It's the whole reason there was that debate that IGLs are useless and should be fraggers in 2016-2017 and people pushing for any non 1.+rating IGL to be cut.
2022-05-14 20:44
4 replies
+1 Although a lot of that IGL debate happened because coaches were allowed to talk during matches
2022-05-14 21:07
1 reply
#191
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United Kingdom legji
NGL I did completely forget about the fact coaches used to be able to comm during rounds fucking hell. Fuck that's made me feel old xD
2022-05-14 21:24
Im sure you can name some roster changes where teams picked up fragging IGL I dont remember any except -pronax +dennis
2022-05-14 21:48
1 reply
#229
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United Kingdom legji
Off the top of my head but I'm sure there's more, my minds a bit foggy on 2016-2017 - sgares (c9 and I don't believe the mantra of him leaving willingly) +stewie2k (Honestly fuck knows who the IGL was but eventually stewie took the reins) - FNS(clg) +Fugly (Tarik and him to rotate the IGL role around) -Ex6TenZ(g2) +Bodyy (Shox to IGL) -Zeus (navi) +s1mple (Starix to IGL then when the ban came over to Seized instead of getting zeus back) -gob b (mouz) +spiidi (NiKo to IGL I think but not sure on this one) - SKYTTEN (kinguin) - Pronax (fnatic) +Dennis (You pointed the second one out but still added it because its funny it happened twice) -adreN(American) (liquid) + I can't remember who but I know a fragger took the IGL spot (at the time nitro had a decent rating and pimp was a decent player back then) -Karrigan +Coldzera (NiKo to IGL) -happy +shox (French roster changes are wild)
2022-05-14 22:39
i dont agree
2022-05-14 20:54
Highlights is probably true because teams played worse back than , overpeeking not playing as a unit.
2022-05-14 21:02
1 reply
Teams play so good nowadays That ex-valorant player could clutch 4 times in 1 map
2022-05-14 21:52
actually so fucking cap
2022-05-14 21:05
youtube and vod vids made a #50 team as good as a #2 team.... a AK case harden was 3000$ back then, now its over 50000... times have changed
2022-05-14 21:06
1 reply
When people learn more they getter. When everyone learns more, everyone gets better.
2022-05-14 21:22
#166
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Germany ChRiZOwow
Today its just not fun to watch anymore. Always the same maps, teams nothing special…
2022-05-14 21:06
Frustrating watching all the Ancient games, makes it hard for T's to do anything and bad teams can get results they wouldn't on other maps.
2022-05-14 21:13
0/8
2022-05-14 21:14
yes
2022-05-14 21:16
Legendary lineups of fnatic, nip, astralis, vp etc are dead now. So the fun is ruined a bit, i think you are partly right but still better than any game.
2022-05-14 21:19
#187
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Europe Khanan
I don’t think so, CS has a higher level now, it’s more developed, nearly everyone says that.
2022-05-14 21:22
#194
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United States Jeebur
"Teamplay was better, teams dont look like run and gun pugs." 2015-2016 was literally the era of strats called of spawn where you needed 4-5 T rounds to actually be in contention of winning a round. 2015 was only the beginning of people ACTUALLY USING MOLOTOVS. CS has came such a long way in terms of team development it cant even compare to 2015-2016. You can see how much it takes to be a top team now compared to then
2022-05-14 21:25
8 replies
True actually, I forgot people used to think molly's were gimmick in pro play
2022-05-14 21:58
You know CS is evolved so much when we dont have molly highlight better than pronax 3k with molly
2022-05-14 22:23
6 replies
#230
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United States Jeebur
a molly highlight... I mean mollies are used as utility now to get information but theres still Molly 5ks being done for ecos so they dont give over money to SMGs And again youre being hypocritical, you said a molly 3k highlight but that literally shows that players were clumped together spaced horribly which just doesnt happen today
2022-05-14 22:41
5 replies
For what mollies were used before buddy? Are 2015 players throw them to the legs of enemies players waiting them to burn? And yes of course you not even watched that video
2022-05-14 23:30
4 replies
#241
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United States Jeebur
No lmao ive watched pro games from that era and mollies were literally not used for a period of time because pros found them useless. and now they are simply used to force control of situations. yes you can burn people but there are for more ways to use them now. You keep being hypocritical in your points.
2022-05-15 02:36
3 replies
man i have no words to say they molly same spots from 2015 with or without information about player mirage window, overpass barrels and etc yes i am hypocritical to YOUR points i say A you say i am hypocritical bcs you think B i think you and i are same person with borderline personality disorder i dont see any other reason to be hypocritical to YOUR OPINION
2022-05-15 10:27
2 replies
#261
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United States Jeebur
no you are beyong fucking hypocritical. You literally said that cs was all teamplay in 2015-2016 YET YOU SAID THAT IT HAD MORE SICK HIGHLIGHTS??? You also said You said it is all aim right now yet the 3 most known players of 2015-2016 were Shroud, KennyS and ScreaM. You literally said CS was more competitive then because teams were close to the top level yet if you look at any of the teams lists in those years there are 7 teams total that are had any sort of chance in a tournament. Now we literally watch fresh inexperienced rosters post close games vs top teams. That literally showed how much cs has developed. CS was no where near as competitive then as it is now, just look at the fucking salary differencials. People are able to grind full time now at lower levels so theyre actually able to compete against top teams. You are choosing to be completely ignorant to the points you made which contradict your own statements
2022-05-15 17:06
#262
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United States Jeebur
And you tried to use the Pronax Molly as an example of CS back then when it is literally a mistake on c9 because they were on eco. Its not fucking rocket science its barely a highlight even. But in reality if you go look at the majority of the games from that era they were only JUST starting to develop molotovs into their strats. Go look at any early game from 2015 and tell me the tactical depth was anywhere close as it is now
2022-05-15 17:08
#195
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Finland siloquez
2003-2006 BeSt (==CLANBASE CS==)
2022-05-14 21:25
1 reply
#204
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Brazil hugoooo
It was the golden era of CS actually, good point
2022-05-14 21:31
HAHHAHAHHA. Teams are many times better today than back then, IDK what dream world you live in
2022-05-14 21:28
cs level is very high , remember before 2016 on faceit all the pro players had like 3k elo , and nowdays you see some random dude with 4k.
2022-05-14 21:29
3 replies
You see some d0cc, area and many CIS cheaters with banned accs on faceit True bro
2022-05-14 21:53
2 replies
yeah there are some but you can say that there are many 4k elo guys legit. i would say the only downside with todays cs are the casters , as if you hear some silver scrub talking about cs , but what can you do! :)
2022-05-14 22:04
Jaden
2022-05-14 22:21
No. GOAT cs period is 2019
2022-05-14 21:57
0/8 and reported
2022-05-14 22:19
2 replies
reported for what?
2022-05-15 02:41
1 reply
ukraine + norway flairs pretty toxic i would say
2022-05-15 11:05
fan base is way worse also map pool isnt changed enough and the changes that do happen arent very good also less variety in TO and LANs
2022-05-14 22:44
I agree but 2014-2015 was better, more competitive, more passion for the game the game felt fresh and playing was pretty good now it feels different, the community has changed too people seem to play less or don't even play anymore and just watch more tournaments
2022-05-14 22:45
It's called nostalgia. There will be kids who're watching cs and then 10 years later say that the current era is shit and 2022 cs was the best.
2022-05-14 22:46
2 replies
nah bruh, its not nostalgia Its fact CS:GO 2013-17 patch was better and entertaining, while 2018-22 awp patch is just boring 🙂 Valve new management fucked everything they touched, Dota2 (in 2016), CSGO(in 2018), CS 1,6(in 2013) 🙂 Its fact.
2022-05-14 22:51
1 reply
No
2022-05-14 22:52
based
2022-05-14 22:48
Highly disagree
2022-05-15 02:53
#244
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United Kingdom chexsum
2022cs is just 5v5 deathmatch
2022-05-15 02:54
the era where fer would push every round and nobody would watch flank lul
2022-05-15 09:42
1 reply
he is not stewie 2k fer have a brains not to die every single round
2022-05-15 11:04
looks like u getting older, it is ok
2022-05-15 10:32
There is more emphasis on individual skill in this meta, so yeah it becomes like that. It's not like playing the probability game meta, so that's part of why we see so little consistency in teams now. When you base the rounds off certain players winning duels or not, this is how it goes.
2022-05-15 10:47
3 replies
#280
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Uzbekistan R_Sick
What are you talking about? Teams always play high probability plays and play for timings, what are you smoking man?
2022-05-16 06:37
2 replies
Are you new?
2022-05-16 18:02
1 reply
#308
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Uzbekistan R_Sick
Ah?
2022-05-17 06:34
+1
2022-05-15 11:08
#273
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Finland FlNLAND
Stop binging on bathsalts and your mind will change
2022-05-15 21:13
i wish i could know csgo on 2016/17 if i wasnt 8/9
2022-05-16 03:25
#283
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Brazil drsiemann
it's the same old cycle, 4 years from now people will talk shit about the NAVI era and say things like "oh wow, teams were just rushing sites with no good execs" or some bullshit like that. the game is always competitive and it's always evolving, but evolution is not concept set in stone, it's not as simple as getting stronger, you just adapt for your survival (and it doesn't always work in the long run)
2022-05-16 07:23
Yes, now its boring shift + waiting until all nades are thrown
2022-05-16 07:29
3 replies
#286
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Uzbekistan R_Sick
CTs are too good at stopping rushes nowadays, so do you want to just watch rounds where Ts get shutdown on their rushes?
2022-05-16 07:31
2 replies
I want action on a map, not waiting until 30 secs and then either lose without kills or luckily go into the side because cts are braindead
2022-05-16 07:48
1 reply
#294
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Uzbekistan R_Sick
There is action every round, just timings are different. Those slow crawls build up a momentum, so I don't really know what you are talking about. And many teams know how to switch up a pace, so sometimes they rush and sometimes they don't
2022-05-16 07:53
I diss agree because rn there is no era and everyone can win everyone and actually everyone is winning, plus underdogs shine, it’s definitely interesting that when there were eras and basically 2 teams could win.
2022-05-16 12:34
#307
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Latvia laglory
+1
2022-05-16 18:03
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