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Flames v Spirit 2-0 game
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Austria Very_nice_danish_guy 
Falmes 3-0 and into playoff!
2022-05-14 22:47
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Rly?)
2022-05-14 22:48
4 replies
yes:)
2022-05-14 22:48
3 replies
Huh?)))))
2022-05-15 17:53
2 replies
how can flames go from winning 16-8 vs ence that just beat faze, to being shit vs spirit..
2022-05-15 17:56
1 reply
It is not that hard, Spirit at this bo3 was a better team.
2022-05-15 17:58
that would be very nice, hope they find a better org so they can compete at more events
2022-05-14 22:48
4 replies
it is, and it will be the 2-0 game tomorrow
2022-05-14 22:48
2 replies
yes but im talking about your description
2022-05-14 22:48
1 reply
I see, i agree. Flames have been good but there is just not money to buy partner spots
2022-05-14 22:49
+1, if Astralis were top tier like they used to be it'd be like the old days with Astralis, North and Optic being tier 1 lol
2022-05-14 23:51
#3
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Finland Vkims
Another major ruined for stupid ass seeding
2022-05-14 22:48
49 replies
flag and flair
2022-05-14 22:48
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#9
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Finland Vkims
Flag and flair
2022-05-14 22:49
1 reply
yes
2022-05-14 22:49
its just the best teams that win their games, unlike g2...
2022-05-14 22:49
29 replies
#13
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Finland Vkims
The thing is, no matter which one goes 3-0, that is going to get stomped on stage
2022-05-14 22:50
21 replies
nah, you can just hope g2 can even get to playoff
2022-05-14 22:50
17 replies
#18
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Finland Vkims
Even if they dont, seeding gave easy 2-0 game on stage for team facing Spirit/falmes
2022-05-14 22:51
16 replies
Seeding that Flames won games to get and not just paid money for them like g2 normally does
2022-05-14 22:52
how? spirit played 2 of the favourites to win the stage stfu
2022-05-14 22:53
14 replies
#28
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Finland Vkims
In what world was Furia favourite?
2022-05-14 22:54
13 replies
most people had them for 3-0 pickems and they would probably beat g2 too xd
2022-05-14 22:55
9 replies
#33
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Finland Vkims
Most people made safe picks to go through, Furia was not one of them
2022-05-14 22:55
8 replies
i saw countless people put them for 3-0 more than any other team. also going into this stage furia seemed better than outsiders,g2,nip,bne,imperial and cph so they are defiantly a huge favourite
2022-05-14 22:58
7 replies
far from... Furia just getting legends spot because they had easy RMR in NA...
2022-05-14 23:01
#51
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Finland Vkims
I thought we all already realised how easy NA RMR was. Oh well
2022-05-14 23:02
4 replies
dumb and dumber replying to my comments i see
2022-05-14 23:04
3 replies
#57
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Finland Vkims
"Furia looked so good, they beat MIBR in NA RMR"
2022-05-14 23:06
2 replies
ESL Pro League Season 15 - 3-4th, also top 7 team, how is spirit "lucky" to play a top 7 and top 5 team. xd
2022-05-14 23:07
1 reply
#63
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Finland Vkims
I give ranking very little value considering how few tournaments there are these days
2022-05-14 23:12
They put Furia as 3-0 because they don't want to risk not getting points if they were to put actually good teams like Faze or Navi
2022-05-15 01:47
Furia and Heroic is not a easy run lol
2022-05-14 22:56
2 replies
#35
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Finland Vkims
Falmes is
2022-05-14 22:56
1 reply
By no means
2022-05-14 22:57
wrong, btw navi is in one of the ones that might go 3-0, so watch what you say lol
2022-05-14 22:51
1 reply
#19
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Finland Vkims
What does navi have to do with this?
2022-05-14 22:52
#67
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Russia JazzyClubs
What's your problem mens? Spirit took down Furia and Heroic. CPH won Ence. All these teams are pretty good.
2022-05-14 23:16
#43
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Palestine llihxelF
bo1's 💀💀💀
2022-05-14 22:59
5 replies
who cars a win is a win
2022-05-14 23:00
4 replies
#46
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Palestine llihxelF
Copium
2022-05-14 23:01
1 reply
ok
2022-05-14 23:01
#72
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Finland Vkims
Whole majors should be just bo1s, great idea
2022-05-14 23:19
1 reply
i prefer b03s but idk how long u want the first day to be
2022-05-14 23:20
Spirit got lucky that they have to play Falmes for 3-0
2022-05-15 02:03
flag and flair, maybe just beat the teams you are put up against
2022-05-14 22:49
5 replies
#14
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Finland Vkims
This has nothing to do with G2 but ok
2022-05-14 22:50
4 replies
why u crying so hard when g2-3 cant get to playoff?
2022-05-14 22:51
3 replies
#29
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Finland finboe
U don't seem to be a very nice danish guy
2022-05-14 22:54
2 replies
i am, but i hate the idea of partner teams and hope they lose to anyone else not partner.
2022-05-14 22:55
1 reply
Hopium
2022-05-15 01:49
#24
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India gXser
Another casual coping when the popular teams aren't being laid out a red carpet to the playoffs even after performing badly
2022-05-14 22:53
#36
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Czech Republic PaYaB
this is not seedings fault, you can blame the top teams for not winning their games
2022-05-14 22:56
6 replies
#50
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Germany KoalaZZZ
sure
2022-05-14 23:02
4 replies
#82
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Czech Republic PaYaB
heroic lost to spirit(which was a major upset), therefore it's them who caused this strange 2-0 game
2022-05-14 23:24
3 replies
#83
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Germany KoalaZZZ
i agreed with u lul
2022-05-14 23:24
2 replies
#84
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Czech Republic PaYaB
sorry, it sounded sarcastic to me, mb and good night
2022-05-14 23:25
1 reply
#85
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Germany KoalaZZZ
u2
2022-05-14 23:25
#77
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Russia JazzyClubs
This
2022-05-14 23:22
#42
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Palestine llihxelF
+1
2022-05-14 22:59
+1. Trash format.
2022-05-14 23:13
This major has been a clown fiesta imagine a major playoff with fucking cph flames
2022-05-14 22:52
11 replies
Or Spirit also LMAO
2022-05-14 22:53
5 replies
Spirit as least have degster great awper and now Patsi promising guy. Cph flames is soo random man
2022-05-14 22:55
4 replies
furia fan calling a team random is very funny :D The whole point of furia is to be random
2022-05-15 01:05
u support fucking fofuria dogs and how tf can u say cph going thru is random and consider urself a cs fan
2022-05-15 01:07
2 replies
i consider myself a cs fan who support fucking fofuria dogs and i don't see anything interesting in cph
2022-05-15 01:43
1 reply
still dont say its random
2022-05-15 01:54
Flames>>>>>ALL BR teams combined
2022-05-14 22:57
#96
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Denmark Danny D3
bookmarked just in case Flames meet FURIA, lol
2022-05-15 00:03
1 reply
feel free to come back, i don't care
2022-05-15 00:15
imagine furia in playoffs lol, what a clown fiesta that would be
2022-05-15 01:04
1 reply
+1 they always bottle that shit its always a useless spot
2022-05-15 01:10
#22
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Russia mshkoda
Job for degster
2022-05-14 22:52
#23
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Turkey edsvi
Will be cheering for cph ez 3-0 pickem
2022-05-14 22:52
If Flames goes 3-0 RMR and 3-0 Major legend stage, is it really their fault that they made it? Spirit on other hand is quite lucky, but deserves the 2-0 spots with these games at least.
2022-05-14 22:53
23 replies
When you beat Heroic(top 5 team) you deserve it
2022-05-14 22:57
3 replies
+1
2022-05-14 22:57
#53
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Singapore BuLaiDengL
Honestly, they got somewhat lucky with the buccholz so they didn't have to face navi (I'm on copium) but their 2-0 was just an amazing showing
2022-05-14 23:03
1 reply
100% yes, for both teams. But both teams beat #3 and #5 team, so they deserve it. Those "top" teams could just have won, then we would have #2,3,4,5 in the 2-0 games
2022-05-14 23:05
#52
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Germany KoalaZZZ
imagine calling team "lucky" that came from open qual to major play-offs almost*
2022-05-14 23:03
9 replies
Lucky for getting 2-0 opponent to be Flames* On other hand Flames has played the good seed for themselves and deserve the easier opponent. Not "lucky for making it this far".
2022-05-14 23:08
8 replies
#61
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Germany KoalaZZZ
wait, they came throw 3-1 to get better seed, so what is their problem? there is not any luck to someone like it was previously without buch system.
2022-05-14 23:09
7 replies
I don't get your point. We have four teams in 2-0 slot. For Spirit, the easiest opponent of the three is Flames. Do you disagree with that? If things played differently outside of Spirits own control, Spirit could be facing Nip or Navi as 2-0 game as easily as they are now facing Flames. Hence, lucky to face Flames. I am only saying that they got the luckiest 2-0 slot possible from their point of view, nothing more. I don't know why you would disagree with that.
2022-05-14 23:15
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#69
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Germany KoalaZZZ
at first, spirit-navi match-up is 50/50 coz of cis derby. also, i know that flames r the worst team in 2-0 seed but i mean this is not luck. thats all
2022-05-14 23:17
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Well if you think that Navi would have been easier opponent than Flames in Spirits pov, then yes, its not lucky. Otherwise the fact who Spirit will be facing is essentially luck for Spirit because its all outside of Spirits own control. Of course for any other teams pov it was not luck to get there.
2022-05-14 23:22
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#78
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Germany KoalaZZZ
im not saying navi would be ez but its still a winable match-up for spirit aswell
2022-05-14 23:23
1 reply
Yeah I agree with that.
2022-05-14 23:23
#81
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Germany KoalaZZZ
spirit plays perfect cs. i see them winning 2-0 tomorrow, tbh
2022-05-14 23:23
1 reply
I enjoy very much watching Spirit play. But I haven't watched any Flames games so I don't know how good they actually are nor who should be better. You may very well be correct.
2022-05-14 23:31
Put it Bo3's instead of Bo1's and we''ll see if they are half as any good against all the teams that they beat. You think they are beating Ence in Bo3? If that's what you really think that CPH Flames is a very good team and all that shit, let's see them in Playoffs (if they qualify) when only B03's are there. Let's see if they really are that good. They got lucky by seeding as always and Bo1's.
2022-05-14 23:16
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Flames beat Nip in rmr 2-0, in bo3. Nip beat Ence in rmr 2-1, in bo3. So by all logic Flames was better than Ence that tournament. Does not even have to get that hard.
2022-05-14 23:19
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LOL Since Flames>NIP and NIP> Ence => Flames> Ence What you smoking? By that Logic, TL beat Navi in 2021 a couple of times (Bo3's) and Navi went on to win Grand Slam and Major. So, logically TL should be the winner of Grand Slam and Major in 2021. Absolutely delusional.
2022-05-14 23:23
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The rmr was the one that gave seeding here. So its not irrelevant even if you would like it to be. As for bo3's in this tournament, well. We won't be seeing any against any other team than Spirit as long as they win tomorrow. So the "luck" argument you are trying to make has very much to do with the results of the rmr. You even said "lucky by seeding as always" and then ingore the tournament that gave the seeding. So if you want to argue about the seeding being lucky, you must also include the rmr bo3 game. If you think them getting Nip (no. 7 at that time) as bo3 opponent was lucky, then yes, you can have that opinion.
2022-05-14 23:29
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It's a circular reasoning that you're giving. Firstly, understand what seeding really means. More precisely, the idea behind seeding and different variations of Seeding like 'Bucholtz' etc. In chess, there are different ELO's for different players. Do understand that Chess is an individualistic game. A player with 2850 ELO (World No.1 usually) is likely to beat a 2787 ELO. In CSGO, since it's a 'team' game, it is fundamentally flawed to assign an ELO to the team since that concept is individualistic and since players also do change their teams, ELO concept is thrown out of the window. In chess, 2800 ELO > 2790 ELO > 2750 ELO. Now, when 2800 ELO vs 2750 ELO happens, 2800 EOL most likely would win (with greater odds than the player with 2790 ELO over 2750 ELO) since the performance depends ONLY on the individual. But a team has 5 players (+coach) and there are 5 fundamentally different identities. So, the performance on a given day is not reflective of the sum of 5 players since CSGO is a team game. Moreover, since a player (let's say an average grandmaster i.e. >2500 ELO) in chess plays so many official matches, ELO rating can converge to the 'true' potential of the player in few matches. But in CSGO, since every 6-7 months you have teams with new rosters/changes, an RMR with (let's say) CPH Flames who went 3-0 and played only 4 maps against teams that themselves didn't have a stable ELO rating due to roster changes, the calculated ELO is not accurate AT ALL since we have so few data points. And since team with newer rosters continuously improve in their initial growth phase, the ELO assigned using only 3-5 maps is not even accurate and I would say is pointless even after 2-3 weeks of the last official. Now, on top of that you have ELO ratings of teams from different regions (Europe, Americas and Asia) where you can't even compare the ELO across the regions. For example- Complexity with ELO of (let's say 2000) is nowhere close to NiP with ELO of 2000 since they obtained their ELO's from different regions and in reality, if they meet, their current ELO is a poor predictor of the result of their actual match. I think now you should understand why assigning ELO and using any seeding using these ELO rating system in CSGO is completely pointless since it's a different game with different dynamics of the team altogether. Also, if you still aren't convinced, then in chess, when we have a Swiss format, then all the players in tournament plays the same number of rounds. After the last round is over, the team with the most no. of points at the end of last round is declared the winner. In CSGO (rmr and major), Valve is using the 'reduced' Swiss format which as clearly explained above, doesn't properly predict the ELO. On top of that, Bo1's and Bo3's results are also considered the same which implies that the team which wins the Bo1 should also win the Bo3 against the same opponent. So, the fundamental premise is false which violates the spirit of Swiss system (together with ELO ratings) altogether. That's why your arguement is circular.
2022-05-14 23:58
Spirit beat Furia and Heroic but apparently they don't deserve playoffs right? why not? because they are not cheaters?
2022-05-14 23:35
3 replies
Fucking hell. I must go back to school to learn some english it seems when so many misunderstood my writings. More about them getting easier matchup because Flames has played themselves to better seed than what the world ranking would suggest. With fair play. People will say that Spirit got lucky if they win tomorrow. Look #66 for example. I will not think that.
2022-05-14 23:42
2 replies
Spirit played fairly and completely out aimed their opponents. Not sure how luck plays a factor in that
2022-05-15 01:13
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It doesnt play factor on that. Just the fact that they play CPH flames and not Nip or Navi can be considered lucky. Because CPH flames is the weakest of those three.
2022-05-15 02:12
#48
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Italy PhilD06
I hope, so I have my 3-0 pick right
2022-05-14 23:01
and to think people said my cph 3-0 pick was a waste
2022-05-14 23:02
1 reply
#56
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Czech Republic PaYaB
i had ence there but switched to cph later and i really think we'll need it, this stage was so tough to predict..
2022-05-14 23:06
#60
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Russia w1ndcast
3-0 spirit xd
2022-05-14 23:08
lmao free quarter final for a 3-2 team
2022-05-14 23:12
spirit will win. CPHF chokers will underestimate s1mple clone degster and get slammed with a 1.3 rating. called it
2022-05-14 23:17
5 replies
-1 old man roej will rekt spirit so hard back to CIS they will disband
2022-05-14 23:17
4 replies
lulw could happen, never underestimate 40 yil talent
2022-05-14 23:32
3 replies
he will go from major winner to retirement home
2022-05-14 23:33
2 replies
you mean from retirement home to major winner
2022-05-14 23:37
1 reply
From retirement home to major winner and back He is livng his best life
2022-05-14 23:49
#73
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Germany KoalaZZZ
3-0 spirit is a dream :3
2022-05-14 23:19
Bachholz for you :D
2022-05-14 23:20
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