0/8, shox > valorant player.
Liquid REAL fix:
- Current team
Zews is already working on another project.
NAF goes EU to actually win something again.
never forget how trash liquid was without adren
i think ur absolutely right adreN is not that much of an asset to this team they need a better tactical coach.
im gonna go very BOLD and say this :
it may be a gamble (same as moses) but hey zonic came to astralis with 0 experience from source right to coaching and left with 4 fucking majors and grand slam and many many tier S tornaments...
and both danish.
actually liquid have this NA ego and they really need to get rid of it if they wana ever be competitive again
-shox + floppy
-nitr0 washed bot + stew
TBH. I honestly think Elige is what is holding Liquid back from creating new talents, letting other star players in the team and allowing new players to take up any space.
The first time I spotted it was with Grim, and now I'm seeing the same reminiscence in oSee's gameplay. I feel like Elige gives TL what they want in terms of firepower, but just has too big of a say in the team, their direction and the approach to the game in general
either a new TL fan or just clueless, TL staff must've thought the same as they replaced adren for Moses (emotional support type coach, very weak tactically) and TL did horrible UNTIL they got adren, and then they finally became a slightly respectable team again. They just need more consistent individuals (such as floppy or jks) than shox is and they'll be a solid contender.
Malek would be a good addition he was sadly wasted in EG and him + a firepower upgrade with either JKS or the Flop would make liquid really dangerous
honestly they should’ve kept stewie
no na teams will never invest in a decent coach
Adren is horrible as a coach. I have watched him since the Mythic time and the guy has no personality at all. This kind of coach has no idea how to fire the team up when they are down/tilted. What's the point of having good tactics when your team can hard choke at any time??
+1 Like Adren was such a BUST on c9 and has never been a good coach. Calling him "good" is such a crime to any actual good coaches. +Malek
Current liquid fix:
leave the roster alone and give them till the player break to improve results. still new roster without an obv issue becides shox inconsistency
-shox +jks -Adren +Valens and all honestly i think it also has to do with Eliege not being open to his team mates and only relying on himself and his ego, twistzz was a waste of a talent in TL, they would of done so much more if they had figured out how to make eliege reliable again with fallen and stew. Twitzz could have done alot more in TL if they gave him the room to but ppl already had their roles and didnt wanted a change in that role so TL needs to change from inside out if they want to compete with the top EU/CIS teams otherwise theyre down bad, and im saying this after nitro left, yeah they set a world record but that was when nitro was there and when nitro came back well now they suck again
+Malek maybe? He`s a very good coach IMO
Also -shox +jks instead of floppy
Real fix would be to give them time, shox was continuously travelling and it affected his performance way more than it shouldve, he is an average 1 kd player which isnt too bad if he brings other things to the table like helping nitr0 out and by the looks of it TL werent that disappointed after being eliminated and were still laughing and having fun maybe, idk why people are expecting shox to carry them and continuously saying -shox since day 1 even if it wasnt an expected move.
-elige would the best imo
get Twistzz back or jks
thats the fix
not even -shox +auti been saying this since 2020
adren just sucks as a coatch, last year TL had so many internal problems, and the coatch couldn't do anything. In 2019 he was good, but i think it was more the team than him, its diferrent from b1ad3 at navi, that really does the tactics parts at the team. So yes, -adren.
-shox obviously, and +jks maybe, just dont know if he wants. Nitro is doing well, Osee is ok, Naf and Elige are at a bad phase, but can recover.
And zews is a good option, have been in the org at 2018, but he was retired i think.
Liquid went downhill when twistzz left
Somebody safe naf pls
i don't think releasing shox to get floppy will fix anything lol....shox actually has some impact moments like the overpass against 9z he brought to avoid a decider map and get a comeback qualification run started, while he isn't a star player and it's clearly not the most solid performer in term of numbers (not that i think he should be on that line up anyways), kicking him to bring floppy would be a downgrade....in said case you should look for someone better, not someone equal or worst.
And if what you say is true that the team don't listen to adren, then it's the players fault not his, the coach isn't supposed to enslave the players for them to listen; and as far as i remember last year when fallen was still there, adren had actual impact on T.Os and gave some tips or calls that brought rounds for TL; so if the players don't listen now, and considering naf and elige where already there plus osee is far from a leader, i'd say the fall probably falls on either nitr0 or shox, and i'd lean more towards nitr0 since he is the igl.
To me personally, the biggest issue on TL is elige, i don't think nitr0 coming back from valorant and becoming igl was a good idea, but elige is been there for ages, and he's supposed to be a super star player but somehow he usually dissapears on the tough moments and chokes hard, he's not consistant enough to fullfill his role imo and at the same time, while he is a good player which tl could keep but change his role, that's something he just would never let happen.
Liquid wanna be major contender, but they just kill themselves with the moves; they are not willing to spend the good money to bring impactfull known players or young super stars, like NIP did with dev1 or g2 with m0nesy; but at the same time they don't bring cheap young promises with huge potential to try and run a long time project....osee has potential although it still needs a lot of work to be more solid but it's a great move from TL in the long run, Naf is solid player whose usually delivering and anchors well for them; shox is already there and as a cheap player with good explotion moments and experience, i don't think is a bad option to keep at this point, my take would be -nitr0 -elige +good igl +good hyper carry (wether known or youngstar to nurture).
If they do that, they could have a potential top team in 1-2 years.
Don't let zews join if he join he getting heart attack again
agree, maybe he is helping them much and we don’t see it, I don’t know but from what it seems he doesn’t have mucb impact, I doubt they will cut him once again though since they already cut him once and they regret it so idk
Silly Canuck adren is a great coach. If they can replace shox with a competent 5th and osee learns how to calm his nerves on LAN they will be a top 10 team instantly. Even with shox they’re getting pretty close to top 10
It's time for Elige to go. He joined back in 2015 and has had extremely talented teams but no majors to show for it. Not only is he extremely inconsistent but his attitude isn't positive for TL’s team health. His passive-aggressiveness has driven out multiple players in the past. Why Yekindar? He's young, creative, and more consistent. Team Liquid pretty much relies fully on Elige to play well so why not switch roles? Yekindars current AWPer is an issue for his playstyle. Why Floppy? Floppy may not be as smart as Shox but he's got better mechanics and definitely someone you would probably prefer in a solo site hold. Team Liquid replacing Nitr0 with Nexa would be ideal but unrealistic. Then we get to coaching... If TL feels that AdreN is a good coach than so be it but it might be time to start looking for replacements.
i agree - shox + floppy or jks
- adren + zews
stop with the -Shox thing. The guy played all his life in French teams, speaking FRENCH, then he goes international and he has to speak English and you can't fix that in just some months.
Shox is great and he should stay in Liquid because he is the only guy holding the team together and calming everyone down.
Agree with your AdreN thing, maybe he can be analyst for TL and let someone else coach but not a caster (although I liked Moses).
Zews or Malek would be good I think for TL
I still think adreN is the best option for liquid I just think he needs to find a new form if you know what I mean
I know 2018-2019 he was activ he helped the team and he made sure that they need to be changes in some games
After he decided to leave liquid in this period of time where Moses was the coach after him then leaving again he was really good in terms of helping the team now with this new team he isn’t very active enough
For their coach they should get Luis "noclip" Tadeu, it would give them a big advantage
-adren from what shox said about him, i guess
stop those threads
just buy falmes or spirit
kick Elige team destroyer
no idea really, -shox needs to happen this addition made no sense in the first place...but they need a new igl and there's none available that make sense either
much better right now, trust me. both are showing good results, have chemistry and play in the same team, experienced/young talent combo... djay is not a superstar and pwnalone didn't bottled against good teams.
liquid real fix is -every1 but NAF and build a new team around naf
maybe keep elige, however i am not sure about him anymore
I don’t think you remove adren from the team, but having him as a tactical guy that helps their game plan from home while also having a hype man for games could help a lot for them imo. It’s kinda like what nip did with threat.
Funny how you blame the coach and shox.. but you don't point out the most obvious problem with Liquid... the washed up Lulrant player n1tr0. LOL.
Team Liquid could just keep this roster and run it back. Look at teams like Flames. They don't have star studded players but since they've been together so long I feel like they formed a chemistry. That's what Liquid needs. Maybe you replace Adren but at this point I think they need more time. If they do feel like a roster change is in their best interest then I'd say the two guys on the hot seat are Elige and Shox. As much as I feel like Team Liquid would benefit from getting rid of Elige he's also hard to replace. Only guy that's semi-realistic is Yekindar. Nobody in the NA scene right now can replace Elige. You could push the long term option and develop FaNg in Elige's position but right now Liquid want to win. -Shox and +Floppy or JKS could be benificial but right now outside of potentially landing Yekindar I think Liquid should keep this team and just -AdreN.
What about coldzera?
Just a question, pls no hate
Why write all this when you could have just said -shox +floppy, +jks or +yekindar and left it at that lol
all of the coach replacements you listed are not gonna join, you'd have to get like a coach for a t2 team. no t1 coach is gonna join TL
the real fix is lollipop21k